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Sokes wrote:Easy solution:
Sterilize all orthodox Jews and Palestinians after the first child. After 40 years one can relax it to two children.
Aaron747 wrote:Orthodox dogma encourages large families. The official rabbinate and religious courts will never allow your proposal.
Aesma wrote:Israel, the country for the Jews, that Jews don't really support anymore. Quite the feat you have to admit. My brother has married a Jewish woman, Israel is a subject best avoided...
Aesma wrote:Israel, the country for the Jews, that Jews don't really support anymore. Quite the feat you have to admit. My brother has married a Jewish woman, Israel is a subject best avoided...
petertenthije wrote:Would it help to stop the exemption for orthodox jews to do military service? It they have to risk their own, they might become more reasonable and pragmatic.
T4thH wrote:petertenthije wrote:Would it help to stop the exemption for orthodox jews to do military service? It they have to risk their own, they might become more reasonable and pragmatic.
Sorry, I hope you are joking. Do you really asking for to give a weapon to an religious extremist and send him/her into a war against their arch enemy?
OK, war crimes will be the standard and not the exception.....
petertenthije wrote:T4thH wrote:petertenthije wrote:Would it help to stop the exemption for orthodox jews to do military service? It they have to risk their own, they might become more reasonable and pragmatic.
Sorry, I hope you are joking. Do you really asking for to give a weapon to an religious extremist and send him/her into a war against their arch enemy?
OK, war crimes will be the standard and not the exception.....
I had not considered that. Personally I would think that Israel's military training would beat that out of them, but I suppose with extremists you can never be sure.
We are now carrying out our promise," Hamas's armed wing said in a statement. "The Qassam Brigades are launching their biggest rocket strike against Tel Aviv and its suburbs, with 130 rockets, in response to the enemy’s targeting of residential towers."
Hours earlier, Israel had sent 80 jets to bomb Gaza and massed tanks on the border as rocket barrages hit Israeli towns for a second day, deepening a conflict in which at least 28 people in the Palestinian enclave and two in Israel have been killed.
Residents of the block and people living nearby had been warned to evacuate the area around an hour before the air strike, according to witnesses, and there were no reports of casualties two hours after it collapsed.
casinterest wrote:Things are going poorly on the diplomatic front, and a barrage of rocket fire is causing damage all over.
NIKV69 wrote:casinterest wrote:Things are going poorly on the diplomatic front, and a barrage of rocket fire is causing damage all over.
Yep, I am pretty sure Palestine felt emboldened with a Biden administration so look for this to get real ugly.
casinterest wrote:NIKV69 wrote:casinterest wrote:Things are going poorly on the diplomatic front, and a barrage of rocket fire is causing damage all over.
Yep, I am pretty sure Palestine felt emboldened with a Biden administration so look for this to get real ugly.
This has no meaning whatsoever. Where where you to blame Trump in 2019?
GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:NIKV69 wrote:
Yep, I am pretty sure Palestine felt emboldened with a Biden administration so look for this to get real ugly.
This has no meaning whatsoever. Where where you to blame Trump in 2019?
Time Hack, it’s 2021. New administration.
casinterest wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:This has no meaning whatsoever. Where where you to blame Trump in 2019?
Time Hack, it’s 2021. New administration.
Then please explain how Biden has anything to do with a Palestinian Election and an upcoming Israeli court case? Because Time Hacks make no sense in your partisan US government attacks on a foreign issue. Unless you want to admit that the Fraudster Trump and his SIL basically abandoned a two state solution.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Time Hack, it’s 2021. New administration.
Then please explain how Biden has anything to do with a Palestinian Election and an upcoming Israeli court case? Because Time Hacks make no sense in your partisan US government attacks on a foreign issue. Unless you want to admit that the Fraudster Trump and his SIL basically abandoned a two state solution.
Hamas and the PA long ago abandoned the “two-state” solution—Every administration from Clinton to Obama considered the two-state solution as baseline requirement, the Palestinians have rejected it repeatedly. Trump went in another direction, admitting reality that Jerusalem was the capital, the rejectionist Palestinians weren’t agreeable to ANY solution and assisted in the Abraham Agreement. The Arabs have even given up on a two-state solution.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Time Hack, it’s 2021. New administration.
Then please explain how Biden has anything to do with a Palestinian Election and an upcoming Israeli court case? Because Time Hacks make no sense in your partisan US government attacks on a foreign issue. Unless you want to admit that the Fraudster Trump and his SIL basically abandoned a two state solution.
Hamas and the PA long ago abandoned the “two-state” solution—Every administration from Clinton to Obama considered the two-state solution as baseline requirement, the Palestinians have rejected it repeatedly. Trump went in another direction, admitting reality that Jerusalem was the capital, the rejectionist Palestinians weren’t agreeable to ANY solution and assisted in the Abraham Agreement. The Arabs have even given up on a two-state solution.
What’s Biden have to do with it? Hamas is finding out if they can get him to abandon the Israelis. They dont have a prayer without that division and the deep state Arabists in the Democratic Party are likely prove Hamas right.
Aaron747 wrote:Going nowhere good - as predicted. More Israeli airstrikes on residential areas in Gaza, followed by rocket attacks on suburbs of TLV. Now Hamas saying further airstrikes will be met with more rockets. Israel just hit a large apartment building in Gaza. Around and around we go.
casinterest wrote:Aaron747 wrote:Going nowhere good - as predicted. More Israeli airstrikes on residential areas in Gaza, followed by rocket attacks on suburbs of TLV. Now Hamas saying further airstrikes will be met with more rockets. Israel just hit a large apartment building in Gaza. Around and around we go.
The airstrikes generally go for where the leadership is, and where the rockets were launched from. The rockets are mostly being taken out by The IDF. It does make one wonder how much Iran is pushing this latest unrest to prop up Hamas.
casinterest wrote:It does make one wonder how much Iran is pushing this latest unrest to prop up Hamas.
Okie wrote:casinterest wrote:It does make one wonder how much Iran is pushing this latest unrest to prop up Hamas.
No one is wondering that I am aware.
That was clearly evident during the Obama/Biden administration.
Right on target with my 120days of Biden in office prediction. Once Iran knew that Biden started negotiating for release of prisoners and offered relaxing of sanctions that was the clue for Iran to give the go ahead for Hamas. Iran either knew Biden was going to be weak or possibly encouraged.
Okie
Sokes wrote:Aesma wrote:Israel, the country for the Jews, that Jews don't really support anymore. Quite the feat you have to admit. My brother has married a Jewish woman, Israel is a subject best avoided...
She is in support, critical or indifferent?
Aesma wrote:As for Biden, did he make promises regarding Israel ?
Trump did. He promised the end of the conflict. The deal of the century, or whatever hyperbole. Good job.
Aesma wrote:As for Biden, did he make promises regarding Israel ?
Trump did. He promised the end of the conflict. The deal of the century, or whatever hyperbole. Good job.
lightsaber wrote:Arab countries recognized Israel. That was peace. In many ways still is as it ensures communication to end the current issues.
My whole life we waited for the Arab countries to recognize Israel. That finally happened. This open conflict during Covid-19 will only increase the misery.
I'll support democracy.
Lightsaber
sierrakilo44 wrote:lightsaber wrote:Arab countries recognized Israel. That was peace. In many ways still is as it ensures communication to end the current issues.
My whole life we waited for the Arab countries to recognize Israel. That finally happened. This open conflict during Covid-19 will only increase the misery.
I'll support democracy.
Lightsaber
Trump's Abraham accords were blown out of proportion. Only Bahrain, Sudan, UAE and Morocco normalised relations. Most of them had diplomatic contact well before Trump came to power, and they had also never fired a shot at each other or were threatening to go to war so the accords in no wat increased the level of peace. If anything it was more about Israelis and these Arab states being able to co-operate militarily against Iran so in the long run they'll probably decrease the chances of peace rather than increase it.
The vast majority of Arab and Islamic states still do not diplomatically recognise Israel and Trump's son in law's pathetic attempts did not change that.
sierrakilo44 wrote:Let's not forget the current violence is a result of Israeli plans to expel Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem where they've been since they were kicked out of other parts of the country in 1948.
The Israeli's are saying it's legal under Israeli law, but as many have pointed out if the law is to be applied equally then Palestinians have the legal right to reclaim their previous homes in West Jerusalem and the other parts of Israel. Of course everyone knows that's not going to happen, it's all one sided so it's either accept being kicked out of your home or resist.
Exacerbating this was a far right Israeli politician going that Palestinian neighborhood and saying that Israeli police should "open fire" on Palestinians protesting their removal.
sierrakilo44 wrote:lightsaber wrote:Arab countries recognized Israel. That was peace. In many ways still is as it ensures communication to end the current issues.
My whole life we waited for the Arab countries to recognize Israel. That finally happened. This open conflict during Covid-19 will only increase the misery.
I'll support democracy.
Lightsaber
Trump's Abraham accords were blown out of proportion. Only Bahrain, Sudan, UAE and Morocco normalised relations.
L410Turbolet wrote:sierrakilo44 wrote:lightsaber wrote:Arab countries recognized Israel. That was peace. In many ways still is as it ensures communication to end the current issues.
My whole life we waited for the Arab countries to recognize Israel. That finally happened. This open conflict during Covid-19 will only increase the misery.
I'll support democracy.
Lightsaber
Trump's Abraham accords were blown out of proportion. Only Bahrain, Sudan, UAE and Morocco normalised relations.
Imagine if Obama or Jimmy "Hamas" Carter achieved just a fraction of that. They would be getting Nobel Peace Prize award subsctiption for the next decade.
L410Turbolet wrote:Imagine if Obama or Jimmy "Hamas" Carter achieved just a fraction of that. They would be getting Nobel Peace Prize award subsctiption for the next decade.
TheFlyingDisk wrote:Am I the only one who sees that this is nothing more than Bibi Netanyahu trying to get support since he has failed to form a government and is likely to face another election?
A clear case of wag the dog.
Aaron747 wrote:TheFlyingDisk wrote:Am I the only one who sees that this is nothing more than Bibi Netanyahu trying to get support since he has failed to form a government and is likely to face another election?
A clear case of wag the dog.
Works perfectly for Hamas too since they have nothing to gain from PA elections being held this year. Put off the inevitable...
Aaron747 wrote:sierrakilo44 wrote:lightsaber wrote:Arab countries recognized Israel. That was peace. In many ways still is as it ensures communication to end the current issues.
My whole life we waited for the Arab countries to recognize Israel. That finally happened. This open conflict during Covid-19 will only increase the misery.
I'll support democracy.
Lightsaber
Trump's Abraham accords were blown out of proportion. Only Bahrain, Sudan, UAE and Morocco normalised relations. Most of them had diplomatic contact well before Trump came to power, and they had also never fired a shot at each other or were threatening to go to war so the accords in no wat increased the level of peace. If anything it was more about Israelis and these Arab states being able to co-operate militarily against Iran so in the long run they'll probably decrease the chances of peace rather than increase it.
The vast majority of Arab and Islamic states still do not diplomatically recognise Israel and Trump's son in law's pathetic attempts did not change that.
Very accurate analysis. As many editorials from around the ME indicated, all the Abraham accord did was codify existing diplomatic contacts to enhance financial and strategic ties - most importantly, without upsetting home populations in the named countries too much. Any diplomacy is good, but the achievement narrative was OTT, basically a PR exercise by Kushner and the UAE’s bin Zahyed al Nahyan.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Time Hack, it’s 2021. New administration.
Then please explain how Biden has anything to do with a Palestinian Election and an upcoming Israeli court case? Because Time Hacks make no sense in your partisan US government attacks on a foreign issue. Unless you want to admit that the Fraudster Trump and his SIL basically abandoned a two state solution.
Hamas and the PA long ago abandoned the “two-state” solution—Every administration from Clinton to Obama considered the two-state solution as baseline requirement, the Palestinians have rejected it repeatedly. Trump went in another direction, admitting reality that Jerusalem was the capital, the rejectionist Palestinians weren’t agreeable to ANY solution and assisted in the Abraham Agreement. The Arabs have even given up on a two-state solution.
What’s Biden have to do with it? Hamas is finding out if they can get him to abandon the Israelis. They dont have a prayer without that division and the deep state Arabists in the Democratic Party are likely prove Hamas right.
Kiwirob wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:casinterest wrote:
Then please explain how Biden has anything to do with a Palestinian Election and an upcoming Israeli court case? Because Time Hacks make no sense in your partisan US government attacks on a foreign issue. Unless you want to admit that the Fraudster Trump and his SIL basically abandoned a two state solution.
Hamas and the PA long ago abandoned the “two-state” solution—Every administration from Clinton to Obama considered the two-state solution as baseline requirement, the Palestinians have rejected it repeatedly. Trump went in another direction, admitting reality that Jerusalem was the capital, the rejectionist Palestinians weren’t agreeable to ANY solution and assisted in the Abraham Agreement. The Arabs have even given up on a two-state solution.
What’s Biden have to do with it? Hamas is finding out if they can get him to abandon the Israelis. They dont have a prayer without that division and the deep state Arabists in the Democratic Party are likely prove Hamas right.
Why does the US have to support Israel, it provides no benefit to them apart from GOP getting the fundamentalist pro Israel vote. The rest of the world is slowly turning against Israel, all we need to do is enforce an embargo. If the US can embargo Cuba for no valid reason, slapping one on Israel is a no brainer.
Kiwirob wrote:The rest of the world is slowly turning against Israel?
Okie wrote:casinterest wrote:It does make one wonder how much Iran is pushing this latest unrest to prop up Hamas.
No one is wondering that I am aware.
That was clearly evident during the Obama/Biden administration.
Right on target with my 120days of Biden in office prediction. Once Iran knew that Biden started negotiating for release of prisoners and offered relaxing of sanctions that was the clue for Iran to give the go ahead for Hamas. Iran either knew Biden was going to be weak or possibly encouraged.
Okie