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The GOP has ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:39 pm

In an offense to the principles of the United States, the GOP House of Representatives the House GOP removed Liz Cheney from the House Leadership in deference to the traitors that tried to overthrow the US Election.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html
The GOP has officially sided with the Big Lie. They didn't even have the courage to record their votes.

Rep. Liz Cheney was just removed from her position as House GOP conference chair.

There was no debate inside the room, according to members in the room.

A GOP member says Cheney lost by voice vote. “No major drama, anticlimactic, compared to last time."

According to a source in the room, five people had to stand to request a recorded vote to remove Cheney from the leadership position. Apparently that did not happen, and the gavel came down.

Cheney told colleagues that it was up to Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy whether he wanted a voice vote or not, "and Kevin asked for voice," according to the source.



Will the GOP survive this vote? Will the third party being threatened by more truthfully oriented GOP members occur?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/us/p ... trump.html

“This is us saying that a group of more than 100 prominent Republicans think that the situation has gotten so dire with the Republican Party that it is now time to seriously consider whether an alternative might be the only option,” he said.

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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:43 pm

The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:48 pm

Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...


It's absolutely breathtaking. And the kicker is a lot of these people, like Senator Kennedy, and Rep. Stefanik, are perfectly intelligent individuals, but they have chosen craven loyalty to a purported 'leader' over principles - which puts them in the same company as real sleazebags like Jordan, Gaetz, and Cruz.
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:48 pm

I think Democrats in Wyoming should switch parties so that they can vote for Cheney in the primaries. Let's face it. A Democrat is not going to win a congressional seat in that state. I probably don't agree with her on any of the issues. However, I do respect her dedication to the rule of law.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:51 pm

So, how much in kickbacks is McCarthy getting from Trump?
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
So, how much in kickbacks is McCarthy getting from Trump?


Giuliani and Co must have oppo dirt on a lot of these figures - McCarthy, Graham, Cruz, etc for them all to have capitulated so readily. It's more than being afraid of 'losing the base'.
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Wed May 12, 2021 1:55 pm

Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...
They are a lost cause. What makes it even worse, is that with Trump's narcissism, once something happens to him, there is nobody in the wings to take over. Think about it, does he say anything positive at all about Junior or Eric, or anybody else for that matter? It's all about him.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 2:10 pm

I doubt the party will explode or if would have done so already. Now if the midterms are a GOP bloodbath, then yes.
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 2:27 pm

Crazy how much of a vile scumbag Cheney is and yet she is light years superior to the rest of the party. She just didn't think the bloodthirsty fascist machine her father helped build would come for her. Bye gurl.

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In an offense to the principles of the United States, the GOP House of Representatives the House GOP removed Liz Cheney from the House Leadership in deference to the traitors that tried to overthrow the US Election.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html
The GOP has officially sided with the Big Lie. They didn't even have the courage to record their votes.
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So we have no idea what the vote was?
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Wed May 12, 2021 2:35 pm

One could say she got cancelled.
 
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Wed May 12, 2021 3:27 pm

A critical factor in the dismissal of Rep. Chenny from her party leadership position is MONEY. In her position she is a major collector of bribes...um...party and politicians campaign contributions. They feel her distancing from Trump - although about the only thing I agree with her on - will hurt them from getting the money needed to keep regular members from their corporate and rich masters, but also keep the Trumpists, social conservative, racist White, anti-Immigrant, hypocritical religious voters they need to win and keep power in the 'Red' states and /return to power in DC.
It is much like with Hitler in Germany in the early days of his taking power - make people loyal to you or become a non-person, face persecution, even violence against you. I just wish Trump would be indicted, arrested and put into jail ASAP to shut him down. begin the end of his phony financial empire and political horror show. I also hope that voters realize the trouble we are in from 'Trumpism' and to kill it off before we destroy our democracy. Trump needs to be seen like the Communists in the 1950's and 60's and believers face social sanctions.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 3:45 pm

ltbewr wrote:
A critical factor in the dismissal of Rep. Chenny from her party leadership position is MONEY. In her position she is a major collector of bribes...um...party and politicians campaign contributions. They feel her distancing from Trump - although about the only thing I agree with her on - will hurt them from getting the money needed to keep regular members from their corporate and rich masters, but also keep the Trumpists, social conservative, racist White, anti-Immigrant, hypocritical religious voters they need to win and keep power in the 'Red' states and /return to power in DC.
It is much like with Hitler in Germany in the early days of his taking power - make people loyal to you or become a non-person, face persecution, even violence against you. I just wish Trump would be indicted, arrested and put into jail ASAP to shut him down. begin the end of his phony financial empire and political horror show. I also hope that voters realize the trouble we are in from 'Trumpism' and to kill it off before we destroy our democracy. Trump needs to be seen like the Communists in the 1950's and 60's and believers face social sanctions.


Liz Cheney is a bonified conservative. She still is an ally of the far right. However at this point her belief in American Democracy is not welcome in what has become a face eating cult. The younger generation does not buy into the social BS that is pushing most of the GOP agenda these days, and a clear majority of the electorate understands that a party that funds unity behind a lie, can't be trusted to make sound governmental decisions.

So that leaves us with a party that wants to govern and have power, but is endorsed by folks that want anarchy or government with religious dogma. Quite the strange bedfellows.
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Wed May 12, 2021 4:24 pm

johns624 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...
They are a lost cause. What makes it even worse, is that with Trump's narcissism, once something happens to him, there is nobody in the wings to take over. Think about it, does he say anything positive at all about Junior or Eric, or anybody else for that matter? It's all about him.


It’s going to be an interesting situation when Donald Trump does pass away, however soon or far away that might be. Building a cult like following of a personality at his age (and health) really seems questionable at best.

Granted the damage to democracy of such an individual can be done very quickly. But it seems so odd that there’s many younger republicans with potentially decades of office ahead, who are hitching on so desperately to a “leader” who one way or another simply won’t be around that long.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 5:27 pm

I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.
 
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Wed May 12, 2021 5:59 pm

Transcript of her speech from the Boston Globe

'Cheney addressed her GOP colleagues before the quick voice vote that removed her.

"If you want leaders who will enable and spread [Trump's] destructive lies, I'm not your person. You have plenty of others to choose from," she said. "That will be their legacy."

"But I promise you this: After today, I will be leading the fight to restore our party and our nation to conservative principles, to defeating socialism, to defending our republic, to making the GOP worthy again of being the party of Lincoln."

When Cheney emerged from the meeting, she told reporters that she would continue her fight to protect democracy, and that she would do everything she could to make sure that Trump "never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office."

Last week, I pointed you to Cheney's essay in The Washington Post in which she made the point that Trump's insistence that the election was stolen from him led to the murderous assault on the Capitol, and could provoke violence again.

Last night, she spoke to a mostly empty House chamber -- the Republicans who had been giving speeches about "cancel culture" didn't have the guts to stick around to listen to her -- and talked about freedom, the Constitution, and duty.

Here's her speech in its entirety.

Mister Speaker, tonight I rise to discuss freedom and our constitutional duty to protect it.

I have been privileged to see firsthand how powerful and how fragile freedom is. Twenty-eight years ago, I stood outside a polling place, a schoolhouse in western Kenya. Soldiers had chased away people who were lined up to vote. A few hours later, they came streaming back in, risking further attack, undaunted in their determination to exercise their right to vote.

In 1992, I sat across a table from a young mayor in Nizhny Novgorod, Russia, and I listened to him talk of his dream of liberating his nation from communism. Years later, for his dedication to the cause of freedom, Boris Nemtsov was assassinated by Vladimir Putin's thugs.

In Warsaw, in 1990, I listened to a young Polish woman tell me that her greatest fear was that people would forget, they would forget what it was like to live under Soviet domination, that they would forget the price of freedom.

Three men -- an immigrant who escaped Castro's totalitarian regime, a young man who grew up behind the Iron Curtain and became his country's minister of defense, and a dissident who spent years in the Soviet gulag -- have all told me it was the miracle of America captured in the words of President Ronald Reagan that inspired them.

And I have seen the power of faith and freedom. I listened to Pope John Paul II speak to thousands in Nairobi in 1985, and 19 years later, I watched that same pope take my father's hands, look in his eyes, and say, "God Bless America."

God has blessed America, but our freedom only survives if we protect it, if we honor our oath, taken before God in this chamber, to support and defend the Constitution, if we recognize threats to freedom when they arise.

Today we face a threat America has never seen before. A former president, who provoked a violent attack on this Capitol in an effort to steal the election, has resumed his aggressive effort to convince Americans that the election was stolen from him. He risks inciting further violence.

Millions of Americans have been misled by the former president. They have heard only his words, but not the truth, as he continues to undermine our democratic process, sowing seeds of doubt about whether democracy really works at all.

I am a conservative Republican, and the most conservative of conservative principles is reverence for the rule of law. The Electoral College has voted. More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. The Trump Department of Justice investigated the former president's claims of widespread fraud and found no evidence to support them.

The election is over. That is the rule of law. That is our constitutional process.

Those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war with the Constitution.

Our duty is clear. Every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. This is not about policy. This is not about partisanship. This is about our duty as Americans. Remaining silent, and ignoring the lie, emboldens the liar.

I will not participate in that. I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy.

As the party of Reagan, Republicans have championed democracy, won the Cold War, and defeated the Soviet communists. Today, America is on the cusp of another Cold War – this time with communist China. Attacks against our democratic process and the rule of law empower our adversaries and feed communist propaganda that American democracy is a failure.

We must speak the truth. Our election was not stolen, and America has not failed.

I received a message last week from a Gold Star father who said, "Standing up for the truth honors all who gave all." We must all strive to be worthy of the sacrifice of those who have died for our freedom. They are the patriots Katherine Lee Bates described in the words of "America the Beautiful" when she wrote,

O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!

Ultimately, this is at the heart of what our oath requires – that we love our country more. That we love her so much that we will stand above politics to defend her. That we will do everything in our power to protect our constitution and our freedom – that has been paid for by the blood of so many. We must love America so much that we will never yield in her defense.

That is our duty..

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Wed May 12, 2021 6:00 pm

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I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.
Nobody wants their roll call vote to come back and be used against them. I also bet that the vote might have been much different if it was a secret ballot. Too many of them have no backbone or cajones.
Another misconception is that Trump is a "conservative". He really isn't. He's for whatever is best for him personally. Many of his followers consider themselves conservatives, but aren't. The bad thing is, he could switch his positions 180* on every major issue and his followers would immediately do the same, without seeing the irony in it. Look how they all turned on Mattis, Tillerson, etc., after they had served their purpose. Look at how he's turned on McConnell, yet Mitchie keeps coming back like a puppy that you keep kicking. It's pathetic.
 
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Wed May 12, 2021 6:10 pm

I read something interesting the other day and it basically described the GOP situation as - they can't win with him, but they can't win without him. They need his following to carve a path to victory, but at the same time they will push away more moderates (e.g. suburban women) who they also need to win.

Around 1993 the conservative movement split in Canada. After the, then, Progressive Conservative Party lost after 10+ years in power the party split - the Reform Party was created which, arguably, housed more of the further right wing, populist, clean-up-Ottawa types (largely based in Western Canada) while the PCP remained in existence but was more or less relegated to nothing status and housed the more moderate conservatives from central and eastern Canada.

It took 10 years of Liberal rule until the two groups eventually came back together to form, the now, Conservative Party of Canada and they went on to rule federally from 2006 to 2015.

All to say - I wonder if something similar could happen in the states? Times and circumstances are different, but the comparison keeps coming to mind.

Either way, it isn't everyday you see - in real time - the take over of a 100+ year old political party by a single man and the purging of members who dare to ask questions.
 
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Wed May 12, 2021 6:19 pm

She just needs to go on all the talking head shows and say she won.

The modern Republican party is a cult. They stand for one man and nothing else. They have no ideas to move the country forward other than putting their leader back in power. Which will never happen. Ousting these who call out the cult will only lead to losses in the midterm elections and split the party.
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Wed May 12, 2021 8:00 pm

This thread is about Liz Cheney, not Hillary Clinton. If you'd like to discuss Hillary, start another thread. If you'd like to post here, stay on topic.
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Wed May 12, 2021 8:07 pm

Here is the leading candidate to replace Cheney. A person once considered bipartisan, but she has been elevated into the potential replacement by furthering the big Lie, and voting to challenge the results of an American Certified election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/loyalt ... 021-05-11/

She is one of 147 Republicans in Congress who voted in January to try to block the certification of Democratic President Joe Biden's election win, hours after a deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters.


Replacing an honest Conservative American with a corrupt bipartisan liar is not a good look for the GOP.
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Wed May 12, 2021 9:16 pm

johns624 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.
Nobody wants their roll call vote to come back and be used against them. I also bet that the vote might have been much different if it was a secret ballot. Too many of them have no backbone or cajones.

Another misconception is that Trump is a "conservative". He really isn't. He's for whatever is best for him personally. Many of his followers consider themselves conservatives, but aren't. The bad thing is, he could switch his positions 180* on every major issue and his followers would immediately do the same, without seeing the irony in it. Look how they all turned on Mattis, Tillerson, etc., after they had served their purpose. Look at how he's turned on McConnell, yet Mitchie keeps coming back like a puppy that you keep kicking. It's pathetic.


You're preaching to the choir. I voted against Trump 4 times.
 
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Wed May 12, 2021 11:20 pm

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I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.


It was cowardly to even have a vote at all, let alone the idea of ousting her in the first place. She spoke the truth about the former president, and the party did not like it.

My question to the GOP is this: Why are you so scared of the former president when the guy isn't even in power anymore. He cannot do anything to you. The man is a "has been". Why are you still fueling the lies that he spews? Are you guys out of your friggin mind?!

Off topic here, but I'm glad I left the GOP in 2016. I had a feeling that this whole circus was going to happen. Just surprised that this crap is still ongoing.

Just........pathetic.
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AirframeAS wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.


It was cowardly to even have a vote at all, let alone the idea of ousting her in the first place. She spoke the truth about the former president, and the party did not like it.

My question to the GOP is this: Why are you so scared of the former president when the guy isn't even in power anymore. He cannot do anything to you. The man is a "has been". Why are you still fueling the lies that he spews? Are you guys out of your friggin mind?!

Off topic here, but I'm glad I left the GOP in 2016. I had a feeling that this whole circus was going to happen. Just surprised that this crap is still ongoing.

Just........pathetic.


We can not forget the same people who whine about "cancel culture" are cancelling their own. It is patriotic to silence dissent but an abomination to be accepting I guess...
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Thu May 13, 2021 12:06 am

Shocked that with the defeat of Trump folks are still talking about the GOP and Washington, one would think that the democrats would be focused on more Federal government to remove the influence and control that the GOP has at the local state level. To a lot of Americans, Washing DC is far removed from their everyday lives.
 
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We can not forget the same people who whine about "cancel culture" are cancelling their own. It is patriotic to silence dissent but an abomination to be accepting I guess...


I never understood the "cancel culture" thing, or the whole "woke" thing as well. Where do people come up with this stuff??
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I never understood the "cancel culture" thing, or the whole "woke" thing as well. Where do people come up with this stuff??


I blame Twitter.
 
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AirframeAS wrote:


I never understood the "cancel culture" thing, or the whole "woke" thing as well. Where do people come up with this stuff??


That's the thing: what they think is cancelled has simply changed. It is not even massive change, just a logo here and there. Companies understanding what casual racism is and not actually pulling items off shelves. We can still buy butter and rice and pancake syrup. They just have updated logos.
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AirframeAS wrote:


I never understood the "cancel culture" thing, or the whole "woke" thing as well. Where do people come up with this stuff??

Vivid imagination when they don’t want to face the consequences of their actions?
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Thu May 13, 2021 2:03 am

Can she claim fraud in the vote and say she really won and gets to keep her position?
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Can she claim fraud in the vote and say she really won and gets to keep her position?


If she was a true Trump supporter she could. However she is trying for the opposite effect.
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Can she claim fraud in the vote and say she really won and gets to keep her position?


If she was a true Trump supporter she could. However she is trying for the opposite effect.


Exactly. She's showing up the entire caucus by demonstrating lying is not a virtue. You can have the worst foreign policy and taxation ideas in the world, but still be respected and worth debating because you're not a liar.
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She's showing up the entire caucus by demonstrating lying is not a virtue. You can have the worst foreign policy and taxation ideas in the world, but still be respected and worth debating because you're not a liar.


Her damning line. "Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar," may very well reverberate through the GOP long after the stench of Trump's bull(manure) is gone.


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Can she claim fraud in the vote and say she really won and gets to keep her position?


Maybe she could hire the "Cyber Ninjas" to see if there was a secret tape recorded "Yea!" vote to oust her, shipped in from China...

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Thu May 13, 2021 10:42 am

So, the Republicans in a basement room, using a cowardly voice vote to assure the decision, have removed Rep. Cheney from her unofficial party leadership role in Congress as she properly refuses to support Donald Trump's in fact control of the Party. Trump has so many scared to death, afraid to challenge him, give in to his crap to not lose their next election they are willing to sell out our country for it. Even Democrats are scared of Trump and won't take hard stands against him out of fear of losing their narrow control in Congress in 2022. I don't have any easy answers but that maybe Trump facing criminal indictment in NY State will be the only way to curb him.

One thing I have noticed in this is the silence of her father, the former VP in support of her position and against Trump. That is really sad and speaks of the poisonous politics of our time in the USA.
 
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I am on a hunting/firearms forum that has a lot of wingnuts. The newest victim of their wrath is actually Kevin McCarthy. They're mad at him over his comment (lie) that nobody questions the election results or that Biden is actually the president. Like any cult, they end up turning on any outsider.
 
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I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.


It was cowardly to even have a vote at all, let alone the idea of ousting her in the first place. She spoke the truth about the former president, and the party did not like it.

My question to the GOP is this: Why are you so scared of the former president when the guy isn't even in power anymore. He cannot do anything to you. The man is a "has been". Why are you still fueling the lies that he spews? Are you guys out of your friggin mind?!

Off topic here, but I'm glad I left the GOP in 2016. I had a feeling that this whole circus was going to happen. Just surprised that this crap is still ongoing.

Just........pathetic.

They're scared that people who buy into Trump's horse manure will vote against them next time they are up for re-election if they speak out against Dear Leader. Best thing that could ever happen to the GOP is that Trump finally gets arrested, charged and convicted of some crime (tax fraud is a good place to start) and then maybe the lunatics won't be in charge of the asylum anymore. I'd really like to be able to feel comfortable voting for a Republican candidate again
 
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Thu May 13, 2021 7:27 pm

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They're scared that people who buy into Trump's horse manure will vote against them next time they are up for re-election if they speak out against Dear Leader.
I don't think so. Those guys will vote republican no matter what. If only to keep the democrats away.

My guess is Trump is holding some information that the republican leadership really do not want to be revealed.
Considering all the nasty stuff that the republican party has done in public (or made Trump get away with), I am going to bet it's gonna be something really big.
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Thu May 13, 2021 7:47 pm

petertenthije wrote:
ER757 wrote:
They're scared that people who buy into Trump's horse manure will vote against them next time they are up for re-election if they speak out against Dear Leader.
I don't think so. Those guys will vote republican no matter what. If only to keep the democrats away.

My guess is Trump is holding some information that the republican leadership really do not want to be revealed.
Considering all the nasty stuff that the republican party has done in public (or made Trump get away with), I am going to bet it's gonna be something really big.
I don't think that it's one big thing. I think he has personal stuff on a lot of them. Stuff that wouldn't matter to a Democratic voter might to a Republican. For instance, Lindsay Graham has never been married and I haven't seen any evidence of any romantic partners. Maybe Trump has pics of him with other men. That would matter to a Republican in South Carolina. Who knows how many others were in the Epstein/Trump/Clinton clique.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Thu May 13, 2021 8:24 pm

The Splinter Group has launched their new Manifesto in the GOP.

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/5/ ... D=ref_fark

They still seem to think they can right the rudder of the GOP?

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Thu May 13, 2021 10:17 pm

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Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...

It's absolutely breathtaking. And the kicker is a lot of these people, like Senator Kennedy, and Rep. Stefanik, are perfectly intelligent individuals, but they have chosen craven loyalty to a purported 'leader' over principles - which puts them in the same company as real sleazebags like Jordan, Gaetz, and Cruz.


More like the same company as the majority of American voters...

"A majority (51%) of voters believe it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 35% who say it’s Very Likely cheating affected the election."


https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... scriminate
 
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Thu May 13, 2021 11:39 pm

afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...

It's absolutely breathtaking. And the kicker is a lot of these people, like Senator Kennedy, and Rep. Stefanik, are perfectly intelligent individuals, but they have chosen craven loyalty to a purported 'leader' over principles - which puts them in the same company as real sleazebags like Jordan, Gaetz, and Cruz.


More like the same company as the majority of American voters...

"A majority (51%) of voters believe it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 35% who say it’s Very Likely cheating affected the election."


https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... scriminate
Yet, the majority of Americans who actually got off their butts and voted don't think so. Otherwise, Trump would've won. I don't really care what they couch potatoes think. After all, they are very low information people.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 12:34 am

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Yet, the majority of Americans who actually got off their butts and voted don't think so.


You're contradicting yourself or perhaps you miscomprehended what you read. You're simultaneously agreeing with and disputing the poll.



johns624 wrote:
Otherwise, Trump would've won.


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Fri May 14, 2021 12:37 am

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More like the same company as the majority of American voters...

"A majority (51%) of voters believe it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 35% who say it’s Very Likely cheating affected the election."


https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... scriminate


These 35% we call the sore losers. Or at least, conservatives seemed to think so, back in 2000.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 12:46 am

Or to put it another way, that 51% and 35% tells us how many people think something, but it doesn't tell us why they think it. It could be because of credible evidence - or it could be because the Republican party desperately wants to believe that they actually won. Judging by how all the post-election lawsuits went, my money is with the latter.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 1:00 am

afcjets wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
The GOP has completed the transition from political party to religious cult, in which the only objective is to get as far up Trump's colon as possible.

I bid them good luck with that strategy...

It's absolutely breathtaking. And the kicker is a lot of these people, like Senator Kennedy, and Rep. Stefanik, are perfectly intelligent individuals, but they have chosen craven loyalty to a purported 'leader' over principles - which puts them in the same company as real sleazebags like Jordan, Gaetz, and Cruz.


More like the same company as the majority of American voters...

"A majority (51%) of voters believe it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, including 35% who say it’s Very Likely cheating affected the election."


https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... scriminate


I'm not sure I get the point here. One poll says a bunch of people believe something is true that is in fact not true. Who cares?
 
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Fri May 14, 2021 1:07 am

How many are hating the checks they're getting from Biden ? The GOP is bragging about what's in the plan despite having voted against it, it passed without a single GOP vote.

As for Trump in prison, QAnon fanatics would claim he got had by the deep state, that wouldn't necessarily help matters. Him dying will also lead to conspiracy theories...
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 9:43 am

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flyingclrs727 wrote:
I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.


It was cowardly to even have a vote at all, let alone the idea of ousting her in the first place. She spoke the truth about the former president, and the party did not like it.

My question to the GOP is this: Why are you so scared of the former president when the guy isn't even in power anymore.


The Russians have the RNC emails as well.

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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 12:16 pm

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johns624 wrote:
Yet, the majority of Americans who actually got off their butts and voted don't think so.


You're contradicting yourself or perhaps you miscomprehended what you read. You're simultaneously agreeing with and disputing the poll.



johns624 wrote:
Otherwise, Trump would've won.


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:

No, I'm not. If someone is elected president by a landslide, yet many think there was cheating, that means those people didn't actually vote. If they had, the other candidate would've won. It was Trump pushing the cheating narrative.
 
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 2:36 pm

So Cheney was ousted for telling the Truth,
and Trump got to pick the successor.

The GOP has no honor left.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/13 ... ald-trump/

"Can’t imagine Republican House Members would go with Chip Roy—he has not done a great job, and will probably be successfully primaried in his own district," Trump said in a press release. "I support Elise, by far, over Chip!"
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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Fri May 14, 2021 10:59 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
AirframeAS wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
I think it was cowardly to remove her using a voice vote.


It was cowardly to even have a vote at all, let alone the idea of ousting her in the first place. She spoke the truth about the former president, and the party did not like it.

My question to the GOP is this: Why are you so scared of the former president when the guy isn't even in power anymore.


The Russians have the RNC emails as well.

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Re: The GOP has owned the Lie and ousted Liz Cheney from leadership

Sat May 15, 2021 12:00 am

ER757 wrote:
They're scared that people who buy into Trump's horse manure will vote against them next time they are up for re-election if they speak out against Dear Leader. Best thing that could ever happen to the GOP is that Trump finally gets arrested, charged and convicted of some crime (tax fraud is a good place to start) and then maybe the lunatics won't be in charge of the asylum anymore. I'd really like to be able to feel comfortable voting for a Republican candidate again


Mia Love and Claire McCaskill come to mind. As for Trump getting arrested I think you will be waiting a long time.
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