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PixelPilot wrote:EA CO AS wrote:Aaron747 wrote:that actually suggests is people are even dumber now than in 2000
Well...
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@Aaron747 needs to get on Twitter / TikTok.
The whole world of WTF awaits.
Audit-related documents requested and published by The Center for Public Integrity and We Are Oversight showed that Christina Bobb, the host of "Weekly Briefing" on OAN, was supplying Arizona Senate President Karen Fann with witness declarations, statements, and expert testimony in early December to help bolster the Republican-led effort to undermine the election results in Maricopa County, where President Joe Biden beat former President Donald Trump by 45,000 votes.
casinterest wrote:In a not so stunning revelation, it would seem that OAN may not be the credible news organization some claim that they are .
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oan-correspo ... 19874.htmlAudit-related documents requested and published by The Center for Public Integrity and We Are Oversight showed that Christina Bobb, the host of "Weekly Briefing" on OAN, was supplying Arizona Senate President Karen Fann with witness declarations, statements, and expert testimony in early December to help bolster the Republican-led effort to undermine the election results in Maricopa County, where President Joe Biden beat former President Donald Trump by 45,000 votes.
casinterest wrote:In a not so stunning revelation, it would seem that OAN may not be the credible news organization some claim that they are .
alfa164 wrote:casinterest wrote:In a not so stunning revelation, it would seem that OAN may not be the credible news organization some claim that they are .
"OAN"... "credible"... and "news".
Is there such a thing as a double oxymoron?
Maricopa County will not reuse most of its voting equipment after it has been with Arizona Senate contractors for its audit of November election results, the county announced Monday.
The potential cost to taxpayers is so far unknown. The county is about half way through a $6.1 million lease with Dominion Voting Systems for the equipment, but it's unclear whether it will have to pay the rest of the money owed under that lease, and whether the county or Senate will be on the hook.
casinterest wrote:As we await the results of this poorly run audit, it is worth noting that they have cost the taxpayers of Arizona a pretty penny. Due to extreme lack of competence, the chain of control was broken for the voting machines, and new ones will need to be purchased.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 790377002/Maricopa County will not reuse most of its voting equipment after it has been with Arizona Senate contractors for its audit of November election results, the county announced Monday.
The potential cost to taxpayers is so far unknown. The county is about half way through a $6.1 million lease with Dominion Voting Systems for the equipment, but it's unclear whether it will have to pay the rest of the money owed under that lease, and whether the county or Senate will be on the hook.
luckyone wrote:casinterest wrote:As we await the results of this poorly run audit, it is worth noting that they have cost the taxpayers of Arizona a pretty penny. Due to extreme lack of competence, the chain of control was broken for the voting machines, and new ones will need to be purchased.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 790377002/Maricopa County will not reuse most of its voting equipment after it has been with Arizona Senate contractors for its audit of November election results, the county announced Monday.
The potential cost to taxpayers is so far unknown. The county is about half way through a $6.1 million lease with Dominion Voting Systems for the equipment, but it's unclear whether it will have to pay the rest of the money owed under that lease, and whether the county or Senate will be on the hook.
Fiscal responsibility is only a problem when the other guy isn't doing it.
Virtual737 wrote:I'm fully expecting the auditors to declare they have found a smoking gun and the nutters will be whipped up into even more of a frenzy.
afcjets wrote:Virtual737 wrote:I'm fully expecting the auditors to declare they have found a smoking gun and the nutters will be whipped up into even more of a frenzy.
Since they've already declared they've found several smoking guns, your post is hardly prophetic.
afcjets wrote:Since they've already declared they've found several smoking guns, your post is hardly prophetic.
LMP737 wrote:afcjets wrote:Since they've already declared they've found several smoking guns, your post is hardly prophetic.
As I said on another thread, the people who believe this mass voter fraud non-sense lack basic critical thinking skills.
afcjets wrote:Virtual737 wrote:I'm fully expecting the auditors to declare they have found a smoking gun and the nutters will be whipped up into even more of a frenzy.
Since they've already declared they've found several smoking guns, your post is hardly prophetic.
rizona law entitles the public to know how this audit is being conducted and funded," David Bodney, a lawyer representing the newspaper, said Wednesday. "And the Arizona public records law does not permit the Senate to play 'hide the ball' by delegating core responsibilities to a third party like Cyber Ninjas and concealing records of government activities and public expenditures in Cyber Ninjas’ files."
The suit alleges that Cyber Ninjas, "by virtue of its performing a core governmental function funded in part by state taxpayer dollars," is required to comply with state open records laws.
LMP737 wrote:afcjets wrote:Since they've already declared they've found several smoking guns, your post is hardly prophetic.
As I said on another thread, the people who believe this mass voter fraud non-sense lack basic critical thinking skills.
ER757 wrote:So what I always wanted to ask someone who believes the mass fraud nonsense - how come you never think anyone on YOUR side voted frauduently? It's always just the "other guys." Are you all so unfailingly honest that no one on your team would ever do so? Or are you admitting they're just not clever enough to figure out ho to do it?
einsteinboricua wrote:ER757 wrote:So what I always wanted to ask someone who believes the mass fraud nonsense - how come you never think anyone on YOUR side voted frauduently? It's always just the "other guys." Are you all so unfailingly honest that no one on your team would ever do so? Or are you admitting they're just not clever enough to figure out ho to do it?
The interesting thing about this is that a majority of the cases caught so far are from the side that claims voter fraud is rampant. Sure, there are stragglers. I believe it was NH in 2016 that initially flagged hundreds of votes before that number went down and the few cases were people voting at the wrong precinct or hadn't been registered.
einsteinboricua wrote:ER757 wrote:So what I always wanted to ask someone who believes the mass fraud nonsense - how come you never think anyone on YOUR side voted frauduently? It's always just the "other guys." Are you all so unfailingly honest that no one on your team would ever do so? Or are you admitting they're just not clever enough to figure out ho to do it?
The interesting thing about this is that a majority of the cases caught so far are from the side that claims voter fraud is rampant. Sure, there are stragglers. I believe it was NH in 2016 that initially flagged hundreds of votes before that number went down and the few cases were people voting at the wrong precinct or hadn't been registered.
An Arizona judge on Thursday denied Republican senators’ motion to dismiss a lawsuit seeking records on the financial backers and other aspects of the sham “audit” of the 2020 elections in Maricopa County.
“It is difficult to conceive of a case with a more compelling public interest demanding public disclosure and public scrutiny,” Judge Michael W. Kemp wrote at the end of a seven-page decision.
'Board Chairman Jack Sellers lambasted the Senate's ongoing audit of the county's November 2020 election and the inexperienced contractors they hired to do the work, saying that if they "haven't figured out that the election in Maricopa County was free, fair and accurate yet, I'm not sure you ever will."
"The board has real work to do and little time to entertain this adventure in never-never land," Sellers said in a prepared statement.
casinterest wrote:Wow, The Maricopa County Elections Supervisor has decided to finally tell it like it is to the Arizona State Senate as this farce of an Audit winds down.
https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-recount- ... 42846.html'Board Chairman Jack Sellers lambasted the Senate's ongoing audit of the county's November 2020 election and the inexperienced contractors they hired to do the work, saying that if they "haven't figured out that the election in Maricopa County was free, fair and accurate yet, I'm not sure you ever will."
"The board has real work to do and little time to entertain this adventure in never-never land," Sellers said in a prepared statement.
The Senate GOP in Arizona is being exposed for the SHAM con they are running.
Aaron747 wrote:casinterest wrote:Wow, The Maricopa County Elections Supervisor has decided to finally tell it like it is to the Arizona State Senate as this farce of an Audit winds down.
https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-recount- ... 42846.html'Board Chairman Jack Sellers lambasted the Senate's ongoing audit of the county's November 2020 election and the inexperienced contractors they hired to do the work, saying that if they "haven't figured out that the election in Maricopa County was free, fair and accurate yet, I'm not sure you ever will."
"The board has real work to do and little time to entertain this adventure in never-never land," Sellers said in a prepared statement.
The Senate GOP in Arizona is being exposed for the SHAM con they are running.
What’s even more shameless (aside from killing their own support in AZ) is they have rabid legislators in a hurry to replicate fraudits in several states.
Aaron747 wrote:casinterest wrote:Wow, The Maricopa County Elections Supervisor has decided to finally tell it like it is to the Arizona State Senate as this farce of an Audit winds down.
https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-recount- ... 42846.html'Board Chairman Jack Sellers lambasted the Senate's ongoing audit of the county's November 2020 election and the inexperienced contractors they hired to do the work, saying that if they "haven't figured out that the election in Maricopa County was free, fair and accurate yet, I'm not sure you ever will."
"The board has real work to do and little time to entertain this adventure in never-never land," Sellers said in a prepared statement.
The Senate GOP in Arizona is being exposed for the SHAM con they are running.
What’s even more shameless (aside from killing their own support in AZ) is they have rabid legislators in a hurry to replicate fraudits in several states.
phatfarmlines wrote:Aaron747 wrote:casinterest wrote:Wow, The Maricopa County Elections Supervisor has decided to finally tell it like it is to the Arizona State Senate as this farce of an Audit winds down.
https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-recount- ... 42846.html
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The Senate GOP in Arizona is being exposed for the SHAM con they are running.
What’s even more shameless (aside from killing their own support in AZ) is they have rabid legislators in a hurry to replicate fraudits in several states.
That's the thing - by continuing to run these fruitless audits gives Trump a platform. The only way to stop it is to stop the audits. Again, I'm hoping AG Garland is spending time looking into this.
phatfarmlines wrote:Arizona election results are delayed as a few of the Cyber Ninjas staff got struck with COVID-19:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-audit-maricopa-county-delayed-covid-19-infections/
Source: CBS News
Francoflier wrote:Are they waiting for the next elections to reveal their 'results' at this stage or have they fully realized the futility of their endeavor by now and are just riding the gravy train for as long as it goes?
"One of the concerns is who is doing this work, because you want credibility," Corman told Bell, adding that the investigation must be conducted "in a way that will stand — not just ... for Republicans or a segment of the Republican Party. We want people in Pennsylvania to believe in what this investigation" reveals.
Corman also said that he spoke to Trump and that he thinks the former president is "comfortable where we're heading." In June, Trump said that if no audit takes place, "there is no way" Corman and other state GOP leaders "will ever get re-elected!"
Pennsylvania conducted two-post election audits confirming the accuracy of last fall's count, and the results were certified.
— A sham candidate for the Florida Legislature pleaded guilty Tuesday to being part of a vote siphoning scheme in last year’s election and will testify against a former Republican state senator who prosecutors say ran it.
Alex Rodríguez agreed to testify against former Sen. Frank Artiles after pleading guilty in Miami-Dade County to accepting illegal campaign donations and lying on campaign documents. He will receive three years probation if he cooperates, including a year of house arrest. He had faced a possible 20-year prison sentence.
casinterest wrote:Meanwhile, over in Florida. Real Voter Fraud has been found.
https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343 ... 54da7cc0ce— A sham candidate for the Florida Legislature pleaded guilty Tuesday to being part of a vote siphoning scheme in last year’s election and will testify against a former Republican state senator who prosecutors say ran it.Alex Rodríguez agreed to testify against former Sen. Frank Artiles after pleading guilty in Miami-Dade County to accepting illegal campaign donations and lying on campaign documents. He will receive three years probation if he cooperates, including a year of house arrest. He had faced a possible 20-year prison sentence.
So real election fraud involving Dark Donor money has been found in Florida, and it was used by the candidates. Anyone want to bet on the odds the Florida legislature and Government will launch an investigation into the Dark Money donors?
seb146 wrote:casinterest wrote:Meanwhile, over in Florida. Real Voter Fraud has been found.
https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343 ... 54da7cc0ce— A sham candidate for the Florida Legislature pleaded guilty Tuesday to being part of a vote siphoning scheme in last year’s election and will testify against a former Republican state senator who prosecutors say ran it.Alex Rodríguez agreed to testify against former Sen. Frank Artiles after pleading guilty in Miami-Dade County to accepting illegal campaign donations and lying on campaign documents. He will receive three years probation if he cooperates, including a year of house arrest. He had faced a possible 20-year prison sentence.
So real election fraud involving Dark Donor money has been found in Florida, and it was used by the candidates. Anyone want to bet on the odds the Florida legislature and Government will launch an investigation into the Dark Money donors?
Of course not. The results are not what they wanted, so they will simply investigate what they want to find. They have the goal, now they just need to find evidence to get them there.
VolvoBus wrote:seb146 wrote:casinterest wrote:Meanwhile, over in Florida. Real Voter Fraud has been found.
https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343 ... 54da7cc0ce
So real election fraud involving Dark Donor money has been found in Florida, and it was used by the candidates. Anyone want to bet on the odds the Florida legislature and Government will launch an investigation into the Dark Money donors?
Of course not. The results are not what they wanted, so they will simply investigate what they want to find. They have the goal, now they just need to find evidence to get them there.
Can I make a snark about fraud on steroids?
What would be the response if the Dems demanded an audit of the gubernatorial voting?
A question I have had regarding the election fraud claims is : Trump was claiming for 18 months/2 years prior to the election that it would be stolen,why were none of the swung Republican states able to secure them from fraud ?
Aaron747 wrote:VolvoBus wrote:seb146 wrote:
Of course not. The results are not what they wanted, so they will simply investigate what they want to find. They have the goal, now they just need to find evidence to get them there.
Can I make a snark about fraud on steroids?
What would be the response if the Dems demanded an audit of the gubernatorial voting?
A question I have had regarding the election fraud claims is : Trump was claiming for 18 months/2 years prior to the election that it would be stolen,why were none of the swung Republican states able to secure them from fraud ?
Because anti-Trump RINOs were in league with Italian satellite operators...or something, something
The court declined to overrule lower court decisions affirming the Senate's responsibility under state law to provide requested records and ordering the documents to be released to left-leaning watchdog group American Oversight. The ruling on Tuesday also dissolved a stay the high court issued on Aug. 24 that paused enforcement of the order demanding the records be released.
American Oversight sued the state Senate and Republican Senate President Karen Fann in May, seeking access to communications and other records between the Senate and Cyber Ninjas, the lead contractor overseeing the controversial audit.
casinterest wrote:Interesting update while we wait for the severely delayed and expensive 3rd party audit of Arizona's election
https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-supreme- ... 00043.htmlThe court declined to overrule lower court decisions affirming the Senate's responsibility under state law to provide requested records and ordering the documents to be released to left-leaning watchdog group American Oversight. The ruling on Tuesday also dissolved a stay the high court issued on Aug. 24 that paused enforcement of the order demanding the records be released.
American Oversight sued the state Senate and Republican Senate President Karen Fann in May, seeking access to communications and other records between the Senate and Cyber Ninjas, the lead contractor overseeing the controversial audit.
This leads me to wonder how excited these donors and private companies will be to have their emails related to the audit made public? I expect a lot of interesting and slanderous items in their, along with a lot of pay to play negotiations. What do you think?
Francoflier wrote:Are they waiting for the next elections to reveal their 'results' at this stage or have they fully realized the futility of their endeavor by now and are just riding the gravy train for as long as it goes?
alfa164 wrote:Francoflier wrote:Are they waiting for the next elections to reveal their 'results' at this stage or have they fully realized the futility of their endeavor by now and are just riding the gravy train for as long as it goes?
The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged on for almost five months? That's not because of "futility", I am sure; it is just like O.J.: they are looking for the real perpetrators...
The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.
DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?
DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?
Aaron747 wrote:Yep, report is coming out today. The thing is the auditors had no idea what they were doing...
luckyone wrote:Let’s not get too excited until they officially report. For all we know this could be a fake leak and they’ll really pull a fast one.
Or, it could be that they’ve known these numbers all along and it’s taken them this long to come up with an alternate narrative.
tommy1808 wrote:alfa164 wrote:Francoflier wrote:Are they waiting for the next elections to reveal their 'results' at this stage or have they fully realized the futility of their endeavor by now and are just riding the gravy train for as long as it goes?
The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged on for almost five months? That's not because of "futility", I am sure; it is just like O.J.: they are looking for the real perpetrators...
Well, according to the draft of their results Biden won with a wider margin than the official result shows:The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 835521001/
best regards
Thomas
phatfarmlines wrote:DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?Aaron747 wrote:Yep, report is coming out today. The thing is the auditors had no idea what they were doing...luckyone wrote:Let’s not get too excited until they officially report. For all we know this could be a fake leak and they’ll really pull a fast one.
Or, it could be that they’ve known these numbers all along and it’s taken them this long to come up with an alternate narrative.tommy1808 wrote:alfa164 wrote:
The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged on for almost five months? That's not because of "futility", I am sure; it is just like O.J.: they are looking for the real perpetrators...
Well, according to the draft of their results Biden won with a wider margin than the official result shows:The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 835521001/
best regards
Thomas
Trump will still make this relevant. He's going to be moving on to Texas to force Gov. Abbott to audit the two largest Democratic and Republican counties:
Sham Arizona 2020 review blows open Trump's election lies -- but he's trying again in Texas
Source: CNN
phatfarmlines wrote:DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?Aaron747 wrote:Yep, report is coming out today. The thing is the auditors had no idea what they were doing...luckyone wrote:Let’s not get too excited until they officially report. For all we know this could be a fake leak and they’ll really pull a fast one.
Or, it could be that they’ve known these numbers all along and it’s taken them this long to come up with an alternate narrative.tommy1808 wrote:alfa164 wrote:
The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged on for almost five months? That's not because of "futility", I am sure; it is just like O.J.: they are looking for the real perpetrators...
Well, according to the draft of their results Biden won with a wider margin than the official result shows:The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 835521001/
best regards
Thomas
Trump will still make this relevant. He's going to be moving on to Texas to force Gov. Abbott to audit the two largest Democratic and Republican counties:
Sham Arizona 2020 review blows open Trump's election lies -- but he's trying again in Texas
Source: CNN
phatfarmlines wrote:DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?Aaron747 wrote:Yep, report is coming out today. The thing is the auditors had no idea what they were doing...luckyone wrote:Let’s not get too excited until they officially report. For all we know this could be a fake leak and they’ll really pull a fast one.
Or, it could be that they’ve known these numbers all along and it’s taken them this long to come up with an alternate narrative.tommy1808 wrote:alfa164 wrote:
The mean the "audit" that was supposed to be over in 60 days, but has now dragged on for almost five months? That's not because of "futility", I am sure; it is just like O.J.: they are looking for the real perpetrators...
Well, according to the draft of their results Biden won with a wider margin than the official result shows:The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 835521001/
best regards
Thomas
Trump will still make this relevant. He's going to be moving on to Texas to force Gov. Abbott to audit the two largest Democratic and Republican counties:
Sham Arizona 2020 review blows open Trump's election lies -- but he's trying again in Texas
Source: CNN
dragon-wings wrote:phatfarmlines wrote:DeltaWings wrote:Is this topic even still current?Aaron747 wrote:Yep, report is coming out today. The thing is the auditors had no idea what they were doing...luckyone wrote:Let’s not get too excited until they officially report. For all we know this could be a fake leak and they’ll really pull a fast one.
Or, it could be that they’ve known these numbers all along and it’s taken them this long to come up with an alternate narrative.tommy1808 wrote:
Well, according to the draft of their results Biden won with a wider margin than the official result shows:
https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 835521001/
best regards
Thomas
Trump will still make this relevant. He's going to be moving on to Texas to force Gov. Abbott to audit the two largest Democratic and Republican counties:
Sham Arizona 2020 review blows open Trump's election lies -- but he's trying again in Texas
Source: CNN
I know I am getting older and my memory my be slipping, but didn't Trump win Texas? Why would he force Gov. Abbott to audit the two largest Democratic and Republican counties in Texas when he already won the state?
