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HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:51 pm
by Vio
Hi everyone,

I want to buy a new gaming laptop. My budget is around $3000 CAD ($2500 USD / 2000 Euros / 1800 GBP). I want to play open world games, such as Far Cry (all of them), Witcher, RDR2, Cyberpunk and of course, MSF2020 (Not so much for me, but my little girl loves virtual flying, so I want a machine that I can also connect to a monitor and play at home). My current PC can't run MSF2020 on decent settings, so I will need this laptop to run it well:

This is what I'm thinking:

Option #1: Alienware m15 Ryzen
processor
AMD Ryzen R9 5900HX (8-Core, 20MB Total Cache, up to 4.6 GHz Max Boost Clock)
laptop
Windows 10 Home English
videocard
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
memory
32GB DDR4 3200MHz
harddrive
1TB PCIe M.2 SSD

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/gaming- ... 15r5_s32pe


Option #2: MSI GP66 Leopard Gaming Notebook
- 15.6" FHD 240Hz Intel Core i7-11800H - RTX3080, 32GB DDR4, 1TB NVMe SSD - Windows 10 Home, VR Ready, GP66 11UH-035CA
Brand: MSI

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product ... _id=193831

I have a few questions:

1. From what I researched, the new AMD Ryzen R9 5900HX are better than the Intel Core i7-11800H, so based on that, I should go with the AMD, however the Alienware comes NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6. The MSI laptop comes with the GeForce RTX 3080. Which one will you choose? Better CPU or better video card? Why?

RAM is the same on both. 32GB

2. Also, which one is a better built? MSI or Alienware? Which one is better for heat (not running hot) and what about noise?

Thanks!

Vio

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:55 pm
by northstardc4m
Ryzen CPU will be hotter.

Noise depends on the fans but again Ryzen will need more cooling.

Alienware is traditionally the better build but MSI gaming laptops are excellent quality I would not consider that factor honestly... And Alienware isnt all what it used to be... Still great but now just an average great.

I'd be more concerned about battery life and warranty than make.



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Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:18 am
by Vio
Thanks northstardc4m!

Those are very good points. From what I read the screen of the MSI is not the greatest, being quite dim compared to others.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:38 pm
by Daysleeper
It might be wise to wait a few weeks (and yes with computers I know this is always the case) but AMD have announced a whole load of new Mobile GPU’s this week with products expected to be available over the next month or so.

They have also announced a new certification program called “AMD Advantage” which I believe is the first such thing specifically for gaming laptops. It will require a minimum specification for things such as display, storage, memory etc – It will also have to have features such as smart access memory and power saving enabled.

But if you can’t wait… In my experience Alienware have better build quality than MSI……..

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:04 pm
by PixelPilot
If you buy Alienware make sure to call them up directly and negotiate at least 4 years warranty.
Those laptops get hot and they melt occasionally.
We owned a few of them and each had service.
Good thing about it thought that at least where I live they schedule a technician and they fix it at your house/office.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 am
by Aesma
With such hardware heat is unavoidable.

For gaming the graphics card is always the most important (if comparing relatively similar CPUs, I'm not saying you should put the most expensive card with the cheapest CPU...).

I have a Dell Precision workstation and the battery is swelling. My brother got the same thing with his Alienware, to the point it cracked open. So I would definitely look at an extended warranty.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:45 pm
by Virtual737
If gaming is the biggest requirement, I wouldn't be looking at any laptop whatsoever. Even if you are always on the move, a laptop will always be a massive compromise and I would have a cheap netbook for the travelling with no games, and a decent desktop at home for the games.

I've been there several times and spent way more than $5k on a laptop... I would never contemplate it again.

I should have added based on the site we are on... if you are a flyer and so being away is actually the norm, I might even be more tempted to buy something like an XBox if there is a good chance you could always plug it into the hotel TV. Most of the above for me is based on me wanting great performance from titles such as flight simulator, and never being content with a laptop screen regardless of the genre.

If a laptop is the only option, then please ignore all of the above)

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:24 pm
by StarAC17
Virtual737 wrote:
If gaming is the biggest requirement, I wouldn't be looking at any laptop whatsoever. Even if you are always on the move, a laptop will always be a massive compromise and I would have a cheap netbook for the travelling with no games, and a decent desktop at home for the games.

I've been there several times and spent way more than $5k on a laptop... I would never contemplate it again.

I should have added based on the site we are on... if you are a flyer and so being away is actually the norm, I might even be more tempted to buy something like an XBox if there is a good chance you could always plug it into the hotel TV. Most of the above for me is based on me wanting great performance from titles such as flight simulator, and never being content with a laptop screen regardless of the genre.

If a laptop is the only option, then please ignore all of the above)


Agreed and a 15.6 screen seems very small for a gaming laptop. Although you will probably hook it up to an external monitor, keyboard, mouse etc. a tower would be a much better option. I would suggest Canada Computers who I basically buy any computer related product from as they are outstanding. I am not sure what they charge now but you can customize a computer with them and they will put it together for $50 or so.

Big benefit to a tower is you can upgrade things like the RAM and the video card and its a lot cheaper than a laptop.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:41 pm
by ThePointblank
If you are getting an Intel-based laptop, make sure the laptop supports Thunderbolt, which should allow for limited upgrades via a dock for graphics, and storage.

But I would agree that if portability isn't a major concern, a desktop is a better buy. Cheaper, better parts, more expandability and upgradeability in the future, and should last longer.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:24 am
by csturdiv
PixelPilot wrote:
If you buy Alienware make sure to call them up directly and negotiate at least 4 years warranty.
Those laptops get hot and they melt occasionally.
We owned a few of them and each had service.
Good thing about it thought that at least where I live they schedule a technician and they fix it at your house/office.


I have an Alienware i9 17 R5 and have not any melting issues and RDR2 and P3D v4.5 don't really cause any heating issues.

Re: HELP with purchasing a new gaming laptop:

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:27 am
by PixelPilot
csturdiv wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
If you buy Alienware make sure to call them up directly and negotiate at least 4 years warranty.
Those laptops get hot and they melt occasionally.
We owned a few of them and each had service.
Good thing about it thought that at least where I live they schedule a technician and they fix it at your house/office.


I have an Alienware i9 17 R5 and have not any melting issues and RDR2 and P3D v4.5 don't really cause any heating issues.


My daughters r5 had mobo replaced twice and she's not a heavy gamer.
Current G2 also is not exactly cool. Maybe the 17 is better.

Though isn't P3D really just pushing single core?