johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

Aaron747 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

Gotta be able to sell BMW/Mercedes/Audi to those nouveau riche in China. Just capitalism at work.

johns624 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

Gotta be able to sell BMW/Mercedes/Audi to those nouveau riche in China. Just capitalism at work.

We do it, just on a smaller scale. We ignore some stuff that China does, but dump on Cuba, because it doesn't really sell anything we need. It's just that the EU even backed down on their original Covid report.

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

c933103 wrote:

Well it didn't display the sort of unity some hoped to achieve through this G7 meeting

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

Well it didn't display the sort of unity some hoped to achieve through this G7 meeting

This has been coming for years. The combined effects of trade imbalances and fiscal challenges is a perfect storm of making alliances and agreement harder than before. Most developed countries are in the same boat - people under 35 have fewer prospects to grow net worth than their parents did, middle classes are squeezed, and demographic change means fewer children and a huge amount of social cost for the elderly in the future. Everyone in the G7 will be Japan if they are not careful.

c933103 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

Well it didn't display the sort of unity some hoped to achieve through this G7 meeting

This has been coming for years. The combined effects of trade imbalances and fiscal challenges is a perfect storm of making alliances and agreement harder than before. Most developed countries are in the same boat - people under 35 have fewer prospects to grow net worth than their parents did, middle classes are squeezed, and demographic change means fewer children and a huge amount of social cost for the elderly in the future. Everyone in the G7 will be Japan if they are not careful.

But then all these issues are part of the problem that require an alliance?

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

kelval wrote:

Trump's years in power have been incredibly destructive for the relationships with Europe, that in return isn't that willing to follow USA blindly for a little bit of room under the umbrella any more.

L410Turbolet wrote:

kelval wrote:

Trump's years in power have been incredibly destructive for the relationships with Europe, that in return isn't that willing to follow USA blindly for a little bit of room under the umbrella any more.

Don't forget, that the US had to deal with the likes of Chirac, Macron, Merkel, Schroeder, Juncker or Schulz for decades.

marcelh wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

Suggestive title of a EU basher….. time to move on….

kelval wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

What is "most of Europe"?
This is a G7 meeting, wich means Germany, France and Italy for continental Europe. Those cannot speak in the name of the 24 other countries in Europe.
For example, we very well know that any Euro resolution that goes against China will be blocked by the likes of V. Orban in Hungary. At least that's how it went for the Uigurs's genocide case.

Define also "what it once was". When was Europe a diplomatics heavy weight ? Economically, we're quite big, but we've never been able to agree much on international politics. What were we "once", and when was that?

Seems your post is quite vague, and riding on the xxx society is in decline blah blah fingers pointing.
While I don't like China's actual politics, and try to reduce the impact of China's stuff in what I buy, I
am not interested in coming back to the frontal antagonism that the cold war was.

kelval wrote:

Well yes. It can also be Seen as the start of a new negociation on what a common position can be.

Trump's years in power have been incredibly destructive for the relationships with Europe, that in return isn't that willing to follow USA blindly for a little bit of room under the umbrella any more.
Europe has probably well understood that the US can revert to an unfriendly stance in as little as 4 years. And that following blindly for years to get slapped in the face the next day isn't all that.

Disagreements can be productive if they result in New propositions/positions.
Let's be a little patient and see what comes out of this.

johns624 wrote:

kelval wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

What is "most of Europe"?
This is a G7 meeting, wich means Germany, France and Italy for continental Europe. Those cannot speak in the name of the 24 other countries in Europe.
For example, we very well know that any Euro resolution that goes against China will be blocked by the likes of V. Orban in Hungary. At least that's how it went for the Uigurs's genocide case.

Define also "what it once was". When was Europe a diplomatics heavy weight ? Economically, we're quite big, but we've never been able to agree much on international politics. What were we "once", and when was that?

Seems your post is quite vague, and riding on the xxx society is in decline blah blah fingers pointing.
While I don't like China's actual politics, and try to reduce the impact of China's stuff in what I buy, I
am not interested in coming back to the frontal antagonism that the cold war was.

1. When it comes to people and GDP, Germany, France and Italy are "most of the EU".
2. Who cares if Hungary would block an EU resolution. With this being a G7 meeting, they could say what they wanted without worrying about it.
3. If one country can block a resolution, somebody wasn't thinking when they wrote up the "rules".
4. Not finger pointing, just the facts that Europe isn't the economic and military powerhouse that it once was. Even if it was finger pointing, it's no different than the Euro reaction on here everytime there is a shooting in the US.
5. There's a big gap between not returning to the Cold War and remaining totally silent when a country is practicing genocide.
6. While I couldn't stand Trump, and didn't vote for him either time, I did agree that many EU countries need to increase their NATO spending, just not the way he said it. If they did, Putin would be a lot quieter and wouldn't be poisoning people in foreign countries with impunity.

Olddog wrote:

The EU should never rejoin but act according to the EU interest only.

marcelh wrote:

johns624 wrote:

kelval wrote:

What is "most of Europe"?
This is a G7 meeting, wich means Germany, France and Italy for continental Europe. Those cannot speak in the name of the 24 other countries in Europe.
For example, we very well know that any Euro resolution that goes against China will be blocked by the likes of V. Orban in Hungary. At least that's how it went for the Uigurs's genocide case.

Define also "what it once was". When was Europe a diplomatics heavy weight ? Economically, we're quite big, but we've never been able to agree much on international politics. What were we "once", and when was that?

Seems your post is quite vague, and riding on the xxx society is in decline blah blah fingers pointing.
While I don't like China's actual politics, and try to reduce the impact of China's stuff in what I buy, I
am not interested in coming back to the frontal antagonism that the cold war was.

1. When it comes to people and GDP, Germany, France and Italy are "most of the EU".
2. Who cares if Hungary would block an EU resolution. With this being a G7 meeting, they could say what they wanted without worrying about it.
3. If one country can block a resolution, somebody wasn't thinking when they wrote up the "rules".
4. Not finger pointing, just the facts that Europe isn't the economic and military powerhouse that it once was. Even if it was finger pointing, it's no different than the Euro reaction on here everytime there is a shooting in the US.
5. There's a big gap between not returning to the Cold War and remaining totally silent when a country is practicing genocide.
6. While I couldn't stand Trump, and didn't vote for him either time, I did agree that many EU countries need to increase their NATO spending, just not the way he said it. If they did, Putin would be a lot quieter and wouldn't be poisoning people in foreign countries with impunity.

Very simplistic view and a tribute to your ignorance. Please go on!

Olddog wrote:

The EU should never rejoin but act according to the EU interest only.

johns624 wrote:

marcelh wrote:

johns624 wrote:

1. When it comes to people and GDP, Germany, France and Italy are "most of the EU".
2. Who cares if Hungary would block an EU resolution. With this being a G7 meeting, they could say what they wanted without worrying about it.
3. If one country can block a resolution, somebody wasn't thinking when they wrote up the "rules".
4. Not finger pointing, just the facts that Europe isn't the economic and military powerhouse that it once was. Even if it was finger pointing, it's no different than the Euro reaction on here everytime there is a shooting in the US.
5. There's a big gap between not returning to the Cold War and remaining totally silent when a country is practicing genocide.
6. While I couldn't stand Trump, and didn't vote for him either time, I did agree that many EU countries need to increase their NATO spending, just not the way he said it. If they did, Putin would be a lot quieter and wouldn't be poisoning people in foreign countries with impunity.

Very simplistic view and a tribute to your ignorance. Please go on!

Then rebut it, all intelligent one! Simplistic is how Europe looks at the world "my foe isn't on my land border, so they don't exist".

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

johns624 wrote:

3. If one country can block a resolution, somebody wasn't thinking when they wrote up the "rules".

johns624 wrote:

Olddog wrote:

The EU should never rejoin but act according to the EU interest only.

Now this is FUNNY! I thought all Western interests are the same? They are, when the shoe is on the other foot. Other than the Brits and French, who else from Europe really contributed to Desert Storm? You can't tell me that if Saddam had gotten away with Kuwait, that he wouldn't have gone into Saudi Arabia. That percentage of the world's oil supply controlled by Hussein wasn't in "Europe's interest"? The EU can't even take care of things that are in her interest. They couldn't end the Yugoslavian debacle without US help. They ran out of smart munitions when they tried to take care of little Libya by themselves. We're always there to bail them out. Yet, if they don't agree with something that we do, we're the big, bad bully. It's pathetic that Europe is afraid to take a hard line with Russia, who can't build a ship bigger than a frigate and can't get any new planes or tanks into series production. I've really enjoyed my vacations in Europe, but the "peace dividend" was over a decade ago. People need to wake up.

Kiwirob wrote:

Russia can build ships bigger than a frigate, Zevezda Shipyard could build supertankers if they wanted to, they are building ARC7 LNG carriers are the moment, the US can’t build those btw.

seb146 wrote:

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

I watched the first three minutes and it was about China "punishing" Norway over a Nobel peace prize. Which takes place in Sweden. The "punishment" to Norway? A Eurovision contestant could not perform in China, diplomatic ties were cut for six years, and salmon could not be sold in China.

seb146 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

Russia can build ships bigger than a frigate, Zevezda Shipyard could build supertankers if they wanted to, they are building ARC7 LNG carriers are the moment, the US can’t build those btw.

Out of curiosity, why can't we build those?

johns624 wrote:

kelval wrote:

johns624 wrote:

It appears that most of Europe is afraid of pissing off the Chinese. I know it's slightly more complicated than that, but not much. Of course, the power of Europe isn't what it once was.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/internet-rep ... 36064.html

What is "most of Europe"?
This is a G7 meeting, wich means Germany, France and Italy for continental Europe. Those cannot speak in the name of the 24 other countries in Europe.
For example, we very well know that any Euro resolution that goes against China will be blocked by the likes of V. Orban in Hungary. At least that's how it went for the Uigurs's genocide case.

Define also "what it once was". When was Europe a diplomatics heavy weight ? Economically, we're quite big, but we've never been able to agree much on international politics. What were we "once", and when was that?

Seems your post is quite vague, and riding on the xxx society is in decline blah blah fingers pointing.
While I don't like China's actual politics, and try to reduce the impact of China's stuff in what I buy, I
am not interested in coming back to the frontal antagonism that the cold war was.

1. When it comes to people and GDP, Germany, France and Italy are "most of the EU".
2. Who cares if Hungary would block an EU resolution. With this being a G7 meeting, they could say what they wanted without worrying about it.
3. If one country can block a resolution, somebody wasn't thinking when they wrote up the "rules".
4. Not finger pointing, just the facts that Europe isn't the economic and military powerhouse that it once was. Even if it was finger pointing, it's no different than the Euro reaction on here everytime there is a shooting in the US.
5. There's a big gap between not returning to the Cold War and remaining totally silent when a country is practicing genocide.
6. While I couldn't stand Trump, and didn't vote for him either time, I did agree that many EU countries need to increase their NATO spending, just not the way he said it. If they did, Putin would be a lot quieter and wouldn't be poisoning people in foreign countries with impunity.

Kiwirob wrote:

johns624 wrote:

Olddog wrote:

The EU should never rejoin but act according to the EU interest only.

Now this is FUNNY! I thought all Western interests are the same? They are, when the shoe is on the other foot. Other than the Brits and French, who else from Europe really contributed to Desert Storm? You can't tell me that if Saddam had gotten away with Kuwait, that he wouldn't have gone into Saudi Arabia. That percentage of the world's oil supply controlled by Hussein wasn't in "Europe's interest"? The EU can't even take care of things that are in her interest. They couldn't end the Yugoslavian debacle without US help. They ran out of smart munitions when they tried to take care of little Libya by themselves. We're always there to bail them out. Yet, if they don't agree with something that we do, we're the big, bad bully. It's pathetic that Europe is afraid to take a hard line with Russia, who can't build a ship bigger than a frigate and can't get any new planes or tanks into series production. I've really enjoyed my vacations in Europe, but the "peace dividend" was over a decade ago. People need to wake up.

Russia can build ships bigger than a frigate, Zevezda Shipyard could build supertankers if they wanted to, they are building ARC7 LNG carriers are the moment, the US can’t build those btw.

Aesma wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

johns624 wrote:

Now this is FUNNY! I thought all Western interests are the same? They are, when the shoe is on the other foot. Other than the Brits and French, who else from Europe really contributed to Desert Storm? You can't tell me that if Saddam had gotten away with Kuwait, that he wouldn't have gone into Saudi Arabia. That percentage of the world's oil supply controlled by Hussein wasn't in "Europe's interest"? The EU can't even take care of things that are in her interest. They couldn't end the Yugoslavian debacle without US help. They ran out of smart munitions when they tried to take care of little Libya by themselves. We're always there to bail them out. Yet, if they don't agree with something that we do, we're the big, bad bully. It's pathetic that Europe is afraid to take a hard line with Russia, who can't build a ship bigger than a frigate and can't get any new planes or tanks into series production. I've really enjoyed my vacations in Europe, but the "peace dividend" was over a decade ago. People need to wake up.

Russia can build ships bigger than a frigate, Zevezda Shipyard could build supertankers if they wanted to, they are building ARC7 LNG carriers are the moment, the US can’t build those btw.

But apparently they don't have engines for big warships. Engines for slow tankers are not suitable.

marcelh wrote:

johns624 wrote:

marcelh wrote:

Very simplistic view and a tribute to your ignorance. Please go on!

Then rebut it, all intelligent one! Simplistic is how Europe looks at the world "my foe isn't on my land border, so they don't exist".

Please stop, you are making a fool of yourself

Kiwirob wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

I watched the first three minutes and it was about China "punishing" Norway over a Nobel peace prize. Which takes place in Sweden. The "punishment" to Norway? A Eurovision contestant could not perform in China, diplomatic ties were cut for six years, and salmon could not be sold in China.

Are you kidding me? The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by Norway not Sweden, the Peace Prize Committee is based in Norway, the committee is appointed by the Norwegian Government, the ceremony is held in the Oslo Town Hall.

Dutchy wrote:

The US reaction after the attacks on September 11th, 2001 were not in line with the values of the EU and that did quite some damage to the trans-Atlantic relationship.

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

sierrakilo44 wrote:

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

That YouTube channel is a part of the “Falun Gong” cult. They’re a wacky racist Chinese UFO cult that is so out there they make Scientologists seem normal. They believe modern science and technology is an alien plot to destroy humanity, along with extraterrestrials encouraging race mixing to forment war on planet earth. That you can develop super powers like levitation if you follow Falun Gong practices.

Other media sources connected to this cult are New Tang Dynasty TV and the Epoch Times. Those media organisations were some of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign and have promoted Election Fraud conspiracies, along with a whole host of other far right conspiracies like QAnon, Covid denial and anti-Vaxxing.

And as other posters have pointed out they can’t get basic facts right. Here’s a good video showing the truth behind that YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x15Cmhgb70

c933103 wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

Mortyman wrote:

A video from 2018

5 Countries Punished for Angering China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QoCrnuGko

That YouTube channel is a part of the “Falun Gong” cult. They’re a wacky racist Chinese UFO cult that is so out there they make Scientologists seem normal. They believe modern science and technology is an alien plot to destroy humanity, along with extraterrestrials encouraging race mixing to forment war on planet earth. That you can develop super powers like levitation if you follow Falun Gong practices.

Other media sources connected to this cult are New Tang Dynasty TV and the Epoch Times. Those media organisations were some of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign and have promoted Election Fraud conspiracies, along with a whole host of other far right conspiracies like QAnon, Covid denial and anti-Vaxxing.

And as other posters have pointed out they can’t get basic facts right. Here’s a good video showing the truth behind that YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x15Cmhgb70

They stepped on you? Yes they are cult with insane believe, doesn't mean everything they said are wrong

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

That YouTube channel is a part of the “Falun Gong” cult. They’re a wacky racist Chinese UFO cult that is so out there they make Scientologists seem normal. They believe modern science and technology is an alien plot to destroy humanity, along with extraterrestrials encouraging race mixing to forment war on planet earth. That you can develop super powers like levitation if you follow Falun Gong practices.

Other media sources connected to this cult are New Tang Dynasty TV and the Epoch Times. Those media organisations were some of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign and have promoted Election Fraud conspiracies, along with a whole host of other far right conspiracies like QAnon, Covid denial and anti-Vaxxing.

And as other posters have pointed out they can’t get basic facts right. Here’s a good video showing the truth behind that YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x15Cmhgb70

They stepped on you? Yes they are cult with insane believe, doesn't mean everything they said are wrong

They are involved with a lot of misinformation, including supporting Trump conspiracies enthusiastically the last few years. Their credibility is the problem. For that point, it is necessary to choose a better messenger.

c933103 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

They stepped on you? Yes they are cult with insane believe, doesn't mean everything they said are wrong

They are involved with a lot of misinformation, including supporting Trump conspiracies enthusiastically the last few years. Their credibility is the problem. For that point, it is necessary to choose a better messenger.

I wouldn't deny they have credibility problem. Yet such cult force of religion is why they can continue sustaining itself and its followers operating against the Chinese government even inside Mainland China over the past quartercentury, and thus become the most major channel for information transmission against the Chinese government from inside the country that would otherwise not be known. Other more regular source of people opposing the party/government have long been squashed.

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

They are involved with a lot of misinformation, including supporting Trump conspiracies enthusiastically the last few years. Their credibility is the problem. For that point, it is necessary to choose a better messenger.

I wouldn't deny they have credibility problem. Yet such cult force of religion is why they can continue sustaining itself and its followers operating against the Chinese government even inside Mainland China over the past quartercentury, and thus become the most major channel for information transmission against the Chinese government from inside the country that would otherwise not be known. Other more regular source of people opposing the party/government have long been squashed.

In that case, they should make sure key information is handled by more reputable organizations like Amnesty or HRW. PRC is unable to quash such organizations or their activities once information has passed to their hands.

c933103 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

c933103 wrote:

I wouldn't deny they have credibility problem. Yet such cult force of religion is why they can continue sustaining itself and its followers operating against the Chinese government even inside Mainland China over the past quartercentury, and thus become the most major channel for information transmission against the Chinese government from inside the country that would otherwise not be known. Other more regular source of people opposing the party/government have long been squashed.

In that case, they should make sure key information is handled by more reputable organizations like Amnesty or HRW. PRC is unable to quash such organizations or their activities once information has passed to their hands.

They probably already do? But those organization have different priority and different focus and are thus not using the same method to transmit message they received and confirmed

johns624 wrote:

Dutchy wrote:

The US reaction after the attacks on September 11th, 2001 were not in line with the values of the EU and that did quite some damage to the trans-Atlantic relationship.

So what "values" does the EU have that are against us responding to an attack which killed thousands?

johns624 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

seb146 wrote:

I watched the first three minutes and it was about China "punishing" Norway over a Nobel peace prize. Which takes place in Sweden. The "punishment" to Norway? A Eurovision contestant could not perform in China, diplomatic ties were cut for six years, and salmon could not be sold in China.

Are you kidding me? The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by Norway not Sweden, the Peace Prize Committee is based in Norway, the committee is appointed by the Norwegian Government, the ceremony is held in the Oslo Town Hall.

All the other Nobel Prizes are awarded in Stockholm, however.

par13del wrote:

kelval wrote:

Well yes. It can also be Seen as the start of a new negociation on what a common position can be.

Trump's years in power have been incredibly destructive for the relationships with Europe, that in return isn't that willing to follow USA blindly for a little bit of room under the umbrella any more.
Europe has probably well understood that the US can revert to an unfriendly stance in as little as 4 years. And that following blindly for years to get slapped in the face the next day isn't all that.

Disagreements can be productive if they result in New propositions/positions.
Let's be a little patient and see what comes out of this.

Thought the thread was about the EU and China.......leading up to the Gulf War the EU and European nations had already ceased blindly following the USA, so when did they rejoin the line?

Aesma wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

johns624 wrote:

Now this is FUNNY! I thought all Western interests are the same? They are, when the shoe is on the other foot. Other than the Brits and French, who else from Europe really contributed to Desert Storm? You can't tell me that if Saddam had gotten away with Kuwait, that he wouldn't have gone into Saudi Arabia. That percentage of the world's oil supply controlled by Hussein wasn't in "Europe's interest"? The EU can't even take care of things that are in her interest. They couldn't end the Yugoslavian debacle without US help. They ran out of smart munitions when they tried to take care of little Libya by themselves. We're always there to bail them out. Yet, if they don't agree with something that we do, we're the big, bad bully. It's pathetic that Europe is afraid to take a hard line with Russia, who can't build a ship bigger than a frigate and can't get any new planes or tanks into series production. I've really enjoyed my vacations in Europe, but the "peace dividend" was over a decade ago. People need to wake up.

Russia can build ships bigger than a frigate, Zevezda Shipyard could build supertankers if they wanted to, they are building ARC7 LNG carriers are the moment, the US can’t build those btw.

But apparently they don't have engines for big warships. Engines for slow tankers are not suitable.

johns624 wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

seb146 wrote:

I watched the first three minutes and it was about China "punishing" Norway over a Nobel peace prize. Which takes place in Sweden. The "punishment" to Norway? A Eurovision contestant could not perform in China, diplomatic ties were cut for six years, and salmon could not be sold in China.

Are you kidding me? The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by Norway not Sweden, the Peace Prize Committee is based in Norway, the committee is appointed by the Norwegian Government, the ceremony is held in the Oslo Town Hall.

All the other Nobel Prizes are awarded in Stockholm, however.

kelval wrote:

par13del wrote:

kelval wrote:

Well yes. It can also be Seen as the start of a new negociation on what a common position can be.

Trump's years in power have been incredibly destructive for the relationships with Europe, that in return isn't that willing to follow USA blindly for a little bit of room under the umbrella any more.
Europe has probably well understood that the US can revert to an unfriendly stance in as little as 4 years. And that following blindly for years to get slapped in the face the next day isn't all that.

Disagreements can be productive if they result in New propositions/positions.
Let's be a little patient and see what comes out of this.

Thought the thread was about the EU and China.......leading up to the Gulf War the EU and European nations had already ceased blindly following the USA, so when did they rejoin the line?

Did you even read the first link?
This is all about relationships between USA and Europe, on the responses to give to China's behaviour.