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State Sponsored Migrant Crisis

Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:15 am

Most of us are aware of the recent tensions between Lithuania (and by extension the EU) and Belarus over the hijacking of the Ryanair flight to kidnap a journalist/political dissident, but now the situation is slowly becoming a migrant crisis. Lithuania has long been kind to victims of the Lukashenko regime - usually granting asylum to those who make it to the Lithuanian border, but now Belarus seems to be trying to stop Lithuania doing this by inundating them with migrants from father afield. Belarus appears to be helping illegal migrants - mainly from Iraq and Syria - get to the border with Lithuania with the intention of inundating Lithuania.


2021.06.17 13:07

Lithuania records rapid rise in irregular migration
The number of detained undocumented migrants in Lithuania after crossing from Belarus has increased to 397, including six Iraqi nationals stopped on Thursday.

In comparison, 81 people were detained in 2020, 46 in 2019, and 104 in 2018. Previously, Lithuanian Interior Minister Agnė Bilotaitė said allowing irregular migration was a conscious policy pursued by the Minsk regime against Lithuania, calling it a “hybrid war”.

In response to the international uproar over the forced diversion of a passenger plane in Minsk, Alexander Lukashenko said Belarus would no longer stop “drugs and migrants” entering the EU.

Lithuanian officials then said Belarusian officers are complicit in facilitating irregular migration.


https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... -migration




2021.06.17 15:22
Lithuania asks Iraq, Turkey to step up border checks

Lithuania has asked Iraqi and Turkish governments to step up checks at their airports due to increasing irregular migration via Belarus.

“We asked the Iraqi government, the Turkish government to step up control of people departing via airports. We know the specific flights and therefore asked to take measures,” Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis told BNS on Thursday.

According to the data from the Lithuanian State Border Guard Service, 397 people have been detained after crossing from Belarus this year. In comparison, 81 people were detained in 2020, 46 in 2019, and 104 in 2018.



https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... der-checks


June 18, 2021 19:43 GMT
Lithuania Says Lukashenka Is Flooding Baltic State's Border With Migrants
Lithuania says migrants have been pouring across the border from Belarus in recent weeks and has accused authoritarian leader Alyaksandr Lukashenka of organizing the influx, asserting that many have been lured from Iraq through a sharp increase in the number of flights from Baghdad to Minsk.

From the Belarusian capital, Vilnius contends, the migrants are moved to the border with Lithuania, where Belarusian border guards turn a blind eye as they cross into the European Union member state.

With the numbers of migrants stuck on the Lithuanian border rising fast, Vilnius has requested aid from the EU's border guard service, Frontex. "Lithuanian authorities have requested Frontex support at its external border. The agency is currently working closely with the national authorities to determine the scope of its assistance," the Frontex press office told RFE/RL in e-mailed comments.

"It is obvious that a hybrid war is being waged against Lithuania, and illegal migration flows are one of the means," Interior Minister Agne Bilotaite said on June 7. Lithuania said Belarusian border guards have been covering the tracks of the migrants, with Bilotaite contending this "shows that officials themselves might be cooperating." She said the Interior Ministry has consulted with Lithuania's armed forces on how to tackle the migration situation.


Baghdad To Minsk

Belarus has never been a major tourist destination, and the current situation there has further harmed its reputation. Since his arrest after the Ryanair incident, Pratasevich, has been paraded on state TV with marks on his face and wrists, delivering what are widely considered to be coerced confessions and words of praise for Lukashenka.

While flights in and out of Minsk International Airport are down, there have been more planes from Baghdad arriving in Minsk in recent weeks. Travelers from Iraq were reported to be taken to several hotels throughout Minsk on June 16, according to the popular Telegram channel Motolko Pomogi. That same day, RFE/RL's Belarus Service was on hand as some 100 people deplaned on June 16 following a regularly scheduled Iraqi Airways flight to the Belarusian capital.
The travelers, all male, were aided on arrival at a kiosk at the terminal by personnel from two travel agencies, Oscartur and JoodLand. According to Oscartur's Instagram and Facebook accounts, with about 300 and 3,800 subscribers respectively, the agency organizes tours from Iraq to Belarus
RFE/RL's Belarus Service contacted Oscartur by phone for comment and was told "Don't call here again!" in an expletive-ridden response. Joodland has a bigger social media footprint and offices in Baghdad. It says it organizes tours to a wider array of countries, including Russia.


Economic ties between Iraq and Belarus are not extensive, with bilateral trade so low the numbers are not included in the Belarusian state statistics agency's annual figures.

Iraqi Airways has been flying from Baghdad to Minsk since 2017, according to the state-run news agency Belta, with flights now operating on Mondays and Fridays. On April 26, Minsk National Airport said that the airline Fly Baghdad would also be serving Minsk, with Boeing 737-800 flights between the two capitals on Mondays and Thursdays.

Many of the migrants who have been stopped by Lithuanian border guards claim they have no documents, according to Lithuanian Deputy Interior Minister Arnoldas Abramavicius. "They say they are, mostly, from Iraq," as well as Syria, Iran, and Afghanistan, he told RFE/RL. "The main route they use is Baghdad to Minsk. A plane ticket only costs $400. Some are also arriving from Istanbul," Abramavicius said. He said Vilnius has sent an official request for assistance and information to the Iraqi Embassy in Warsaw, as Iraq has no diplomatic mission in Lithuania, but had not received a response.


https://www.rferl.org/a/belarus-lithuan ... 15267.html

I note that an Iraqi Airways 747-400 did a trip from Baghdad to Belarus a few days ago.....I can't think what a 747 load of people would be travelling from Iraq to Belarus for, especially in the middle of a pandemic.

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Estonia is now sending help

2021.06.22 15:06

Estonia to send guards to Lithuania's border with Belarus

Estonia is planning to send additional "officials and equipment" to Lithuania to help patrol the country’s border with Belarus, the Estonian public broadcaster ERR News reported on Tuesday. "The European Border and Coast Guard Agency has indeed turned to the member states, including Estonia, to involve additional support in guarding the Lithuanian border. Support was requested in the form of additional officials and equipment, which Estonia, among others, is offering to Lithuania," Helen Neider-Veerme, from the Estonian border guards, told ERR on Monday.


https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/1 ... th-belarus

What a sad situation. It definitely appears to be direct retaliation for the EU stopping Belarus' airlines from using their airspace and for Lithuania offering refuge to the enemies of the regime in Belarus. I don't see the situation improving any time soon.

Russia did the same thing to Norway a few years ago when the Norwegian government criticised Russia too harshly (can't remember if it was in the wake of MH17 or the invasion of Crimea):

Oct. 9, 2015
Avoiding Risky Seas, Migrants Reach Europe With an Arctic Bike Ride

STORSKOG, Norway — Pelted by hailstones and buffeted by an icy wind, Yasir Arslanuk, a 55-year-old Syrian engineer, his wife and two young sons wobbled across the border from Russia into Norway astride bicycles last week, the latest migrants to complete an improbable new route to Europe. This Norwegian outpost, 250 miles north of the Arctic Circle, is hardly Lampedusa, an Italian island where migrants coming on rickety boats across the Mediterranean from Libya often land, or Lesbos, a Greek island that has become the primary transit point for refugees coming by rubber raft from Turkey.

But in recent months, refugees from places like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have started to flow in growing numbers through Russia into the northernmost reaches of Europe, making this remote crossing an increasingly popular back door for people fleeing war and persecution, or simply looking for a better life.

The trip, Mr. Arslanuk said after dismounting his bike and seeking shelter in a heated orange tent on the Norwegian side of the border, “is better than going by sea,” the hazardous option chosen by most of the more than half a million migrants who have made it to Europe so far this year.

Many of the arrivals, Mr. Hansen said, seemed to have little idea where they were exactly and had bought no warm clothes. But, encouraged by a flurry of reports on social media about how well Norway treats refugees, they rushed through Russia to reach Europe’s northernmost frontier. It is not snowing here yet, but temperatures have already dipped close to freezing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/worl ... rctic.html

And it happened to Finland too:

April 2, 2016
E.U. Suspects Russian Agenda in Migrants’ Shifting Arctic Route

KANDALAKSHA, Russia — So many decrepit Soviet-era cars carried migrants into Europe from this frozen Russian town in recent months that border officials in Finland, who confiscate the rust-bucket vehicles as soon as they cross the frontier, watched in dismay as their parking lot turned into a scrapyard. To clear up the mess and provide some space for freshly confiscated cars, the Finnish customs service set up a separate dumping ground.

Then last month, as suddenly and as mysteriously as it had started, the parade of migrants in rusty old cars came to an abrupt halt, or at least a pause. “We don’t know what is going on,” said Matti Daavittila, the head of the ice-entombed Finnish border post near Salla. “They suddenly stopped coming. That is all we know.”

But the stop-go traffic has added a hefty dose of geopolitical anxiety, not to mention intrigue, to a crisis that is tearing the European Union apart. It has sent alarm bells ringing in Helsinki, Finland’s capital far to the south, and in Brussels, where European Union leaders, at recent crisis meetings on migration, discussed the strange and ever-shifting Arctic route through Russia.

The intrigue flows from a growing suspicion in the West that Russia is stoking and exploiting Europe’s migrant crisis to extract concessions, or perhaps crack the European unity over economic sanctions imposed against Moscow for its actions in Ukraine. Only one of the European Union’s 28 member states needs to break ranks for a regime of credit and other restrictions to collapse.

Unlike the flow of refugees and migrants into Greece by boat, in which the tempo is largely set by the weather in the Aegean Sea, the flow through Russia is almost entirely dependent on whether Russia’s Federal Security Service, the successor agency to the K.G.B., opens or closes roads in a heavily militarized border region crammed with bases.

In the first two months of this year, nearly 800 asylum seekers crossed from Russia into Finland near Salla, a crossing point west of Kandalaksha in the Finnish region of Lapland, compared with none in same period last year.

Sayid Mussa Khan, a 31-year-old Afghan who had worked for an American security company in Kabul, made it to Finland on Feb. 28, just a day before the traffic suddenly halted after a statement by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to security service chiefs that Russia should “tighten monitoring of refugee flows.”

Along with his family and around a dozen other asylum seekers, Mr. Khan set out at dawn from Kandalaksha in a convoy of old cars and, accompanied by Russian guides, breezed through three checkpoints to reach the Finnish border. Mr. Khan, who sat with his wife and baby son in the back seat of a wheezing Lada, said he had never even heard of Finland when he left Kabul in 2014 and, after two years in Russia and Belarus, still was not really sure where it was he was going. But he knew he wanted to get his family to Europe, and had been assured that he would get there once he had paid $6,000 to a facilitator in Moscow, who immediately arranged for the family to be issued with a deportation order by the Russian authorities.

“He asked me where I wanted to go and said: ‘No problem. We will get you to Finland. Everybody is going there now,’ ” said Mr. Khan, who is now in Finland waiting for the authorities to review his asylum application.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/worl ... veled.html
 
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Re: State Sponsored Migrant Crisis

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:09 pm

The protests behind the Arab Spring (and therefore behind the Migrants Crisis) were sparked by economic problems (high food prices). That era was the Great Recession, but of course the Coronavirus has been far more immense in its economic impact. The fallout from the Coronavirus will be magnitudes greater than that of the Great Recession. We are already starting to see the migrant inflows into Europe and political conflict about migration, it will only get worse as curfews are lifted and the already volatile situation in the Levant and northern South Asia gets worse. The Palestine conflict should be a warning to everyone that this is the start of a major geopoltical crisis.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:02 am

TokyoImperialPa wrote:
The protests behind the Arab Spring (and therefore behind the Migrants Crisis) were sparked by economic problems (high food prices). That era was the Great Recession, but of course the Coronavirus has been far more immense in its economic impact. The fallout from the Coronavirus will be magnitudes greater than that of the Great Recession. We are already starting to see the migrant inflows into Europe and political conflict about migration, it will only get worse as curfews are lifted and the already volatile situation in the Levant and northern South Asia gets worse. The Palestine conflict should be a warning to everyone that this is the start of a major geopoltical crisis.

Broader trends are indeed explosive.
But never forget who inserted the detonator and lit the fuse.
It's difficult to argue that it was Russia's ban on grain exports that really blew up Egypt during the "Arab Spring", and might have had important impact elsewhere...
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:20 am

Phosphorus wrote:
TokyoImperialPa wrote:
The protests behind the Arab Spring (and therefore behind the Migrants Crisis) were sparked by economic problems (high food prices). That era was the Great Recession, but of course the Coronavirus has been far more immense in its economic impact. The fallout from the Coronavirus will be magnitudes greater than that of the Great Recession. We are already starting to see the migrant inflows into Europe and political conflict about migration, it will only get worse as curfews are lifted and the already volatile situation in the Levant and northern South Asia gets worse. The Palestine conflict should be a warning to everyone that this is the start of a major geopoltical crisis.

Broader trends are indeed explosive.
But never forget who inserted the detonator and lit the fuse.
It's difficult to argue that it was Russia's ban on grain exports that really blew up Egypt during the "Arab Spring", and might have had important impact elsewhere...


The migrant crisis started long before the Arab spring. Also if you look at the photos of people in the migrant camps and coming off the boats they are mostly black sub Saharan Africans not Arab North Africans. Either way Europe needs to get tougher on illegal immigration.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:03 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
TokyoImperialPa wrote:
The protests behind the Arab Spring (and therefore behind the Migrants Crisis) were sparked by economic problems (high food prices). That era was the Great Recession, but of course the Coronavirus has been far more immense in its economic impact. The fallout from the Coronavirus will be magnitudes greater than that of the Great Recession. We are already starting to see the migrant inflows into Europe and political conflict about migration, it will only get worse as curfews are lifted and the already volatile situation in the Levant and northern South Asia gets worse. The Palestine conflict should be a warning to everyone that this is the start of a major geopoltical crisis.

Broader trends are indeed explosive.
But never forget who inserted the detonator and lit the fuse.
It's difficult to argue that it was Russia's ban on grain exports that really blew up Egypt during the "Arab Spring", and might have had important impact elsewhere...


The migrant crisis started long before the Arab spring. Also if you look at the photos of people in the migrant camps and coming off the boats they are mostly black sub Saharan Africans not Arab North Africans. Either way Europe needs to get tougher on illegal immigration.


Sub-Saharan Africans are not really noticed in Belarus-organized air shuttle between Baghdad and Minsk.

Overall, Sub-Saharan Africans migrating towards Europe, are not a surprise. If miracles of modern technology, as medicine, make it to Africa, and make people survive childhood better, and live longer -- you have population growth. If those same miracles, of broader modern technology, fail to provide wealth growth -- you have plenty of people, but not enough wealth. Hence migrant crisis. For root causes of that migrant crisis, look for those who fail to lift Africa out of poor economy. Because modern medicine reaches folks, one of way or the other: commercially (because people will pay all they have to stay alive and healthy), or via charitable institutions.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:31 am

From what I gather Belarus just stepped down border patrols and stopped detaining people crossing out of Belarus.

If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:56 am

Refugees have the right to cross borders, in international law. So "illegal migrants" only applies to people who aren't refugees. Might be the case for people from Iraq, even if that place isn't completely safe, people in unsafe parts could move to other parts of their own country.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:57 am

tu204 wrote:
From what I gather Belarus just stepped down border patrols and stopped detaining people crossing out of Belarus.

If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


Or the EU will threaten the airlines involved and the flights will stop.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:00 am

tu204 wrote:
If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


That's an interesting perspective.

By whining, do you mean their annoyance at Belarus allowing migrants that have reached Belarus (perhaps with state help) being guided to cross into Lithuania?

"Why the hell should Belarus solve their problems" would be fine if those problems weren't caused directly by Belarus.

Out of interest, with the forced landing of the FR 737 and the removal and detention of passengers against their will, what do you think the EU's response to Belarus should have been?
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:11 am

Aesma wrote:
tu204 wrote:
From what I gather Belarus just stepped down border patrols and stopped detaining people crossing out of Belarus.

If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


Or the EU will threaten the airlines involved and the flights will stop.


EU doesn't have any leverage on Belarus right now. Especially against Belavia after banning them from airspace. If they ban other airlines that fly to Belarus from Iraq or whatever, Belavia should just pick up the slack and fly there themselves as obviously there is demand. Just business.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:16 am

Virtual737 wrote:
tu204 wrote:
If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


That's an interesting perspective.

By whining, do you mean their annoyance at Belarus allowing migrants that have reached Belarus (perhaps with state help) being guided to cross into Lithuania?

"Why the hell should Belarus solve their problems" would be fine if those problems weren't caused directly by Belarus.

Out of interest, with the forced landing of the FR 737 and the removal and detention of passengers against their will, what do you think the EU's response to Belarus should have been?


Lithuania and Latvia have for a long time been unfriendly to Belarus. Long before the FR flight. Hosting conferences of Belarus opposition, hosting the self acclaimed "president" Tikhanovskaya, replacing Belarus's flag at the IIHF 2021 (hell for that stunt alone I'd open up the borders).
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am

tu204 wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
tu204 wrote:
If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


That's an interesting perspective.

By whining, do you mean their annoyance at Belarus allowing migrants that have reached Belarus (perhaps with state help) being guided to cross into Lithuania?

"Why the hell should Belarus solve their problems" would be fine if those problems weren't caused directly by Belarus.

Out of interest, with the forced landing of the FR 737 and the removal and detention of passengers against their will, what do you think the EU's response to Belarus should have been?


Lithuania and Latvia have for a long time been unfriendly to Belarus. Long before the FR flight. Hosting conferences of Belarus opposition, hosting the self acclaimed "president" Tikhanovskaya, replacing Belarus's flag at the IIHF 2021 (hell for that stunt alone I'd open up the borders).


Isn't Lukashenko the self proclaimed president?

Why would hosting a conference for the political opposition be a bad thing, especially if Belarus has such a transparent democracy? Perhaps Belarus should have hosted it themselves....

Isn't it strange that Belarus and their sponsors in Russia don't really have any opposition. Do you think that it's because all the citizens are totally in support and so there is no need?
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:28 am

tu204 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
tu204 wrote:
From what I gather Belarus just stepped down border patrols and stopped detaining people crossing out of Belarus.

If the EU and especially Lithuania keep whining about Belarus and try to cause problems for Belarus, why the hell should Belarus solve their problems?


Or the EU will threaten the airlines involved and the flights will stop.


EU doesn't have any leverage on Belarus right now. Especially against Belavia after banning them from airspace. If they ban other airlines that fly to Belarus from Iraq or whatever, Belavia should just pick up the slack and fly there themselves as obviously there is demand. Just business.


But the EU has leverage on Iraq.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:41 am

Aesma wrote:
tu204 wrote:
Aesma wrote:

Or the EU will threaten the airlines involved and the flights will stop.


EU doesn't have any leverage on Belarus right now. Especially against Belavia after banning them from airspace. If they ban other airlines that fly to Belarus from Iraq or whatever, Belavia should just pick up the slack and fly there themselves as obviously there is demand. Just business.


But the EU has leverage on Iraq.


True, not as much as they would like, but they do have leverage. However think about how difficult it would be to pressure a sovereign nation to ban an airline of another sovereign nation to fly between said nations. Plus it would be a matter of time till another "route" is found into Belarus. Trust me, illegal immigrants are really good money.
 
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Re: State Sponsored Migrant Crisis

Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:15 pm

Aesma wrote:
Refugees have the right to cross borders, in international law. So "illegal migrants" only applies to people who aren't refugees. Might be the case for people from Iraq, even if that place isn't completely safe, people in unsafe parts could move to other parts of their own country.

Well, if the folks who board Iraqi Airways flights to Minsk are refugees, what right do Belarus authorities have to kick them out, via illegal channels, into a third country? Aren't they under humanitarian obligations to process refugees and asylum seekers?
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:24 pm

You touch on a subject that will imo will be THE issue of the next decade.
Humanitarian obligations to process refugees and asylum seekers were put in place after WWII and the Holocaust.
North America, South America, ANZAC and Great Britain took most of those displaced people who did not return "home" to their native lands.
This crisis is different - whole nations are becoming failed states.

The ability and will to migrate is stronger now that people know they have a good chance of getting in. The number of displaced people is much larger than post WWII. And there are no longer any great open countries wealthy enough to take them in. Considering that some wealthy countries take few makes it even more difficult

Like I said - this will be the issue to watch.
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:25 pm

This is one heck of a post:

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Overall, Sub-Saharan Africans migrating towards Europe, are not a surprise. If miracles of modern technology, as medicine, make it to Africa, and make people survive childhood better, and live longer -- you have population growth. If those same miracles, of broader modern technology, fail to provide wealth growth -- you have plenty of people, but not enough wealth. Hence migrant crisis. For root causes of that migrant crisis, look for those who fail to lift Africa out of poor economy. Because modern medicine reaches folks, one of way or the other: commercially (because people will pay all they have to stay alive and healthy), or via charitable institutions.


If we had one of those "Best Posts of he Week" I'd nominate this one.

As for any contribution to observations made in this discussion about one more troubled part of our Earth - - - I mean, trouble created by humans and not really Mother Nature or any other higher entity. I was going to state that I need to study. That military business over in Afghanistan caught my attention because I was once involved in a rescue type operation and that is some tough work.

This inter-political regional stuff is not an area I have had much time to dig into, but that OP was quite well presented and that caught my attention and then as I studied each post after that the quote above really nailed me and so I will now place this topic on my list for study.

But over the years I have seen a lot of rather nasty stuff from a number of regimes around our planet and them humans are some weird creatures. Wait, that includes me, doesn't it? I think I could be a human type.

Anyway, back on topic, a darn good post that is in that quote box up there. Darn good!
 
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Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:30 am

MohawkWeekend wrote:
You touch on a subject that will imo will be THE issue of the next decade.
Humanitarian obligations to process refugees and asylum seekers were put in place after WWII and the Holocaust.
North America, South America, ANZAC and Great Britain took most of those displaced people who did not return "home" to their native lands.
This crisis is different - whole nations are becoming failed states.

The ability and will to migrate is stronger now that people know they have a good chance of getting in. The number of displaced people is much larger than post WWII. And there are no longer any great open countries wealthy enough to take them in. Considering that some wealthy countries take few makes it even more difficult

Like I said - this will be the issue to watch.


I agree this time it’s different, and I don’t call it a “crisis” at all, because there is nothing temporary about what is going on.

The internet allows people to gather information about a better life. Cell phones empower people to migrate where they like, beyond the control of any government. You’d have to be an idiot to want to spend your life in a poverty-stricken hellhole. So, energetic young people globally are economically migrating. This is the best use of their time and energy. They are doing it by the millions.

I’m not sure where it all leads. Youth and dynamism are good things. But chaos is a bad thing for everybody, both the powerful and (especially) it is bad for the weak.
 
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Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:39 pm

The argument will be "Does Europe, Australia and North America have a limit on how many migrants they can take?"

I debated with a neighbor that the numbers of asylum seekers was growing in the States and would even grow more. He didn't believe it. He also couldn't believe an individual from anywhere in the world CAN get to Mexico and apply for asylum at the US border.

What is concerning is the list of failed states is growing. Venezuela, Honduras, El Salvador and Haiti in the Western Hemisphere alone.
 
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Re: State Sponsored Migrant Crisis

Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:19 am

In 2018, most immigrants lived in just 20 major metropolitan areas, with the largest populations in the New York, Los Angeles and Miami metro areas. These top 20 metro areas were home to 28.7 million immigrants, or 64% of the nation’s total foreign-born population. Most of the nation’s unauthorized immigrant population lived in these top metro areas as well.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... mmigrants/

This is going to get interesting as the weather cools down and Mexico can't continue to hold them back.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... s-n1279012
 
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Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:25 am

MohawkWeekend wrote:
In 2018, most immigrants lived in just 20 major metropolitan areas, with the largest populations in the New York, Los Angeles and Miami metro areas. These top 20 metro areas were home to 28.7 million immigrants, or 64% of the nation’s total foreign-born population. Most of the nation’s unauthorized immigrant population lived in these top metro areas as well.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... mmigrants/

This is going to get interesting as the weather cools down and Mexico can't continue to hold them back.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... s-n1279012


It’s also unmanageable as I pointed out in past threads on border topics - USCBP recruiting has been down for years and they are nothing close to adequately manned.
 
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Re: State Sponsored Migrant Crisis

Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:00 pm

Understand they plan on deporting the migrants under the bridge. Wait until the Squad finds out.

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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos