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Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:17 pm

Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/13 ... ll-arrest/

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/statu ... 74569?s=20

A showdown in the Texas House was locked into place Tuesday after the chamber voted overwhelmingly to send law enforcement after Democrats who left the state a day earlier in protest of a GOP priority elections legislation.

More than 50 House Democrats left Monday for Washington, D.C., to deny the chamber a quorum — the minimum number of lawmakers needed to conduct business — as it takes up voting restrictions and other Republican priorities in a special session
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tofACSZolRg

When Republicans did this in Oregon in 2019, the MSM had, of course a different take on such moves by Republicans. NBC did not comment that the Republican's actions were "fine, stunning, and brave...", but that's how the Texas Dem's actions are being portrayed. It's always a different story when the shoe is one the other foot.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... d-n1020571

Texas Gov. Abbott has called out the hypocrisy of the Texas Dem's actions.

On Monday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Ingraham Angle,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) slammed Democrats in the Texas state legislature for “using a filibuster to flee the state of Texas” to stop the passage of election legislation while arguing for the abolition of the filibuster at the federal level.

Abbott said, “One word: Hypocrisy. They are using a filibuster to flee the state of Texas to plead with the president to do away with the filibuster in Washington, D.C. That is the example of hypocrisy on its face. And that’s one reason why they’re losing the arguments with regard to voting on this issue and other issues in the state of Texas.”
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:36 pm

I wonder how long before the TX governor orders arrests for 'harboring' or supporting a 'fugitive' of spouses and adult family members of the runaway Democrats TX state legislators, or harassing them with frequent police stops, cut off of paycheck, hurting their employments or businesses. I wouldn't put it past them. The TX 'exiles' considered going to AZ or WV as have DINO US Senators to put pressure on them but then decided on DC to put pressure on fellow Democrats, Pres. Biden, VP Harris and yes, Republicans to pass in the Senate long delayed and House passed 2 voting rights and reforms bills to protect voters from such repression by states.
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm

There is a yuge difference between what Oregon Republicans did and what Texas Democrats are doing. Oregon Republicans didn't want to do anything about climate change. Texas Democrats are trying to keep voting fair for ALL Texans. Major bigly difference.
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:07 pm

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/201 ... -vote.html

Republicans in Oregon did this two years ago, with similar indignity from the Democrats. The difference is that the Dems there were proposing legislation to address a real problem (climate change), and here the GOP is trying to inhibit the right to vote based on a non-existant problem (voter fraud).
 
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:47 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-senate-republicans-leave-the-state-to-avoid-climate-bill-vote.html

Republicans in Oregon did this two years ago, with similar indignity from the Democrats. The difference is that the Dems there were proposing legislation to address a real problem (climate change), and here the GOP is trying to inhibit the right to vote based on a non-existant problem (voter fraud).

So the principle is the same but the cause differs?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:03 am

par13del wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-senate-republicans-leave-the-state-to-avoid-climate-bill-vote.html

Republicans in Oregon did this two years ago, with similar indignity from the Democrats. The difference is that the Dems there were proposing legislation to address a real problem (climate change), and here the GOP is trying to inhibit the right to vote based on a non-existant problem (voter fraud).

So the principle is the same but the cause differs?


I think you may used those two terms backwards. I wanted to highlight that the tactics were not new, but pointing out the motivation for using such tactics matters.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:04 am

I hope the Texas Democrats draw this out as long as possible and then go back to get arrested.
It needs to be highlighted how Un American, Racist, and dishonorable the Texas GOP has become. They are passing laws in a special session based on racism and lies from their cult leader.

There will be no Honor for any member of the Texas GOP left as this draws out. They will be highlighted as the worst possible representatives of American values.

The fact that they are threatening arrest and incarceration for people working to stand up for the Federal rights of voting , and the 1st amendment makes it all the more dishonorable for the Texas GOP.
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:06 am

Well since they were not appointed to the house, perhaps the issue is deeper than just their leadership, look at the voters maybe?
It does also highlight the GOP overall strategy to focus on local government while the Dems focus on capital hill, is all politics first local?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:24 am

White Texas GOP politicians simply don't like voters with red skins, brown skins or black skins. Texas has been a racists state for generations. Growing up there in the 50s I can remember the "poll tax" that was effective in keeping "those" people out of the voting booths. Todays GOP politicians around the country are having hate spasms because Trump lost. Got his ass really kicked by a decent man so Texas has really turned weird.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:32 am

Ok, so in one breath you say they were always racist and now they are weird because Trump lost, methinks as you said this predated Trump, just conveniently ignored. The movement that elevated Trump only came out of the woodwork, they were always there, just ignored, to our peril apparently.
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:40 am

It doesn't have to be racist to be a problem.

People should be able to access the polls 24/7 with poll workers present (law enforcement if you want).

People should be able to drop off their ballots to avoid waiting LONG lines if they can't do drive through voting.

I keep hearing about all the bad things that could go wrong but they don't even WEIGH IN the benefits about these privileges to people who may have a hard time voting because of long hours of work they have to put in. The original bill LIMITED SUNDAY VOTING!! Just because "oh well poll workers need to go to church". LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!! Are poll workers all now inherently Christian? Crappy arguments. Crappy and bad-faith.

The GOP itself is full of cheats and they've convinced their voters very hard about it too. Remember how many cases of voter fraud there were? I don't either. Look at the turnout too! Don't you want people voting?

2020: massive turnout, rare if any cases of voter fraud found, and we are acting as if it was all a failure.

Texas has the right to bring Democrats back to Congress to finish the job by law. Democrats have every right to leave the state if they wish to avoid it. They may be paid and not be serving crappy Texan ideas and "doing their job" so that they pass, but they certainly are doing their job serving US who are without representation... the neighsayers are loud everywhere I go, but Democrats need to know millions stand with them as well.
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 am

The Voting Laws that Texas will be enacting, and it's going to happen, no matter how much they rail against it out of state, and on The View, will not prevent any legal voter from voting.

The law will restrict counties from coming up with their own "rules" for voting. They are trying to make the voting rules the same across the state, so that all Texas citizens have the same opportunity to vote.

The Poll tax is gone. Get over it!!! Seeing secret oppression of others EVERYWHERE must be a tiring life.

Texas voting rules are more liberal than the voting rules of Biden's home state. But......... :?
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:12 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary


A sign of a broken democratic process, from both sides that is. A two-party system leaves one party to rival the other vigorously. There is simply no real incentive - other than actually helping the country move forward - to work together.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:26 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
The Voting Laws that Texas will be enacting, and it's going to happen, no matter how much they rail against it out of state, and on The View, will not prevent any legal voter from voting.

The law will restrict counties from coming up with their own "rules" for voting. They are trying to make the voting rules the same across the state, so that all Texas citizens have the same opportunity to vote.

The Poll tax is gone. Get over it!!! Seeing secret oppression of others EVERYWHERE must be a tiring life.

Texas voting rules are more liberal than the voting rules of Biden's home state. But......... :?



So conservatives are abandoning local small governments? It seems to me that the Big Lie is being followed to the detriment of Freedom.
The voting laws in Texas are not based on need, but rather on Lies.
Doesn't that rattle any conservatives that you know ? It seems that justifying restrictions on the ability to vote , and using racism to pass laws restricting education are tools of a big lie.

We saw what lies did in the 20th century didn't we? How much longer are conservatives going to continue to follow the Big Lie? Until they start taking property from counties they don't agree with? Until they put them in reeducation camps? What then?

Laws based on lies are good for no one, these "Special session" laws especially. Why the rush to pass these laws?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:51 pm

casinterest wrote:
So conservatives are abandoning local small governments? It seems to me that the Big Lie is being followed to the detriment of Freedom.
The voting laws in Texas are not based on need, but rather on Lies.
Doesn't that rattle any conservatives that you know ? It seems that justifying restrictions on the ability to vote , and using racism to pass laws restricting education are tools of a big lie.

We saw what lies did in the 20th century didn't we? How much longer are conservatives going to continue to follow the Big Lie? Until they start taking property from counties they don't agree with? Until they put them in reeducation camps? What then?

Laws based on lies are good for no one, these "Special session" laws especially. Why the rush to pass these laws?

What I find shocking is the notion that in the USA for example, the land of the free with technology up the whazoo, access to internet, almost everyone with a smart phone, tv abounds, lots's of media outlets of all persuasions, that it is so easy to lie to so many millions of people across the country to get them to vote in conservative politicians, where is the counter balance to the lies?
My opinion, they are all focused on the Federal Government because they believe a much stronger fed is needed to implement their agenda, much easier to persuade DC versus the rest of the country. Unfortunately, I still believe that most politics in the USA is local hence the battle continues. Did 8 years of Obama after 8 years of Bush change anything at the local level, the election of Trump would say that is a big no, the continued focus on him out of power is another thing that is confusing to me, during the run up to the election we were told that once Trump was out of power......
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:07 pm

par13del wrote:
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So conservatives are abandoning local small governments? It seems to me that the Big Lie is being followed to the detriment of Freedom.
The voting laws in Texas are not based on need, but rather on Lies.
Doesn't that rattle any conservatives that you know ? It seems that justifying restrictions on the ability to vote , and using racism to pass laws restricting education are tools of a big lie.

We saw what lies did in the 20th century didn't we? How much longer are conservatives going to continue to follow the Big Lie? Until they start taking property from counties they don't agree with? Until they put them in reeducation camps? What then?

Laws based on lies are good for no one, these "Special session" laws especially. Why the rush to pass these laws?

What I find shocking is the notion that in the USA for example, the land of the free with technology up the whazoo, access to internet, almost everyone with a smart phone, tv abounds, lots's of media outlets of all persuasions, that it is so easy to lie to so many millions of people across the country to get them to vote in conservative politicians, where is the counter balance to the lies?
My opinion, they are all focused on the Federal Government because they believe a much stronger fed is needed to implement their agenda, much easier to persuade DC versus the rest of the country. Unfortunately, I still believe that most politics in the USA is local hence the battle continues. Did 8 years of Obama after 8 years of Bush change anything at the local level, the election of Trump would say that is a big no, the continued focus on him out of power is another thing that is confusing to me, during the run up to the election we were told that once Trump was out of power......



The issue is that the big lie has always been there locally. Trump harnessed it in a way that has made the local level more virulent. The years of Bush, Obama, ignore the cultural issues affecting some of the core right wingers. They can't stand that jobs and skilled laborers leave their orbit to go to bigger cities or bigger companies for better pay and lives, and they can't stand how the younger generation has embraced multiculturality. The GOP is losing, and grabbing harder for followers by pushing lies. Unfortunately we have a large portion of folks inclined to still believe those lies through years of programming by Right Wing Media, and their ability to close out "Fake Media" In the absence of media neutrality laws, lies can be passed on and circulated with no counterbalance.

You will see it on this board all the time. Far right wing quotes from bogus sources .
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:14 pm

An important point that is not being talked about enough is that all GOP politicians were elected on the same ballots that were supposedly tempered with by the conspiracy. How do they explain that ?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:39 pm

Aesma wrote:
An important point that is not being talked about enough is that all GOP politicians were elected on the same ballots that were supposedly tempered with by the conspiracy. How do they explain that ?



They don't have to. Not enough of their voters are working hard enough at being American Citizens to ask that question of them.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:37 pm

Aesma wrote:
An important point that is not being talked about enough is that all GOP politicians were elected on the same ballots that were supposedly tempered with by the conspiracy. How do they explain that ?

It's all part of the conspiracy to make it not look like a conspiracy so people think it doesn't look like a conspiracy...but if you understand THE PLAN, you're smarter than that...
 
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Re: Texas House Republicans vote to track down absent Democrats and arrest them if necessary

Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:49 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
The Voting Laws that Texas will be enacting, and it's going to happen, no matter how much they rail against it out of state, and on The View, will not prevent any legal voter from voting.

The law will restrict counties from coming up with their own "rules" for voting. They are trying to make the voting rules the same across the state, so that all Texas citizens have the same opportunity to vote.

The Poll tax is gone. Get over it!!! Seeing secret oppression of others EVERYWHERE must be a tiring life.

Texas voting rules are more liberal than the voting rules of Biden's home state. But......... :?


Giving even more power to rural areas than urban areas. Or, another way to put it: giving more power to right wing areas than centrist and liberal areas. Taking away polling places in Houston to give Loving County the same opportunity. Republicans in Texas are trying to cancel democracy. Plain and simple. The same plan they have for the country. Cancel democracy.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/08 ... l-session/

No "drive thru" voting because Houston, no 24 hour voting because Houston, no helping people apply for mail in ballots because Houston, anyone can carry a gun to a polling place and be a poll watcher. New ID requirements to these bills were made behind closed doors, according to the article.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:06 pm

One point that perhaps someone in the US can explain.

Apparently, it is quite normal to queue for hours to vote. Why is this, surely if you have sufficient polling booths it should be a five minute job.

The other point is about voter ID. In the UK you get voting cards posted to you. You then take your polling card with you to the polling station as proof of ID. If more evidence is needed they could ask for a passport or driving licence. I appreciate that many Americans have no passport, but how many adult Americans have no driving license?.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:20 pm

bennett123 wrote:
One point that perhaps someone in the US can explain.

Apparently, it is quite normal to queue for hours to vote. Why is this, surely if you have sufficient polling booths it should be a five minute job.

The other point is about voter ID. In the UK you get voting cards posted to you. You then take your polling card with you to the polling station as proof of ID. If more evidence is needed they could ask for a passport or driving licence. I appreciate that many Americans have no passport, but how many adult Americans have no driving license?.


If you don't have a driving license, most State Identification Cards are free or very low cost. Absolutely no reason one can not be obtained very easily.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:46 pm

bennett123 wrote:
One point that perhaps someone in the US can explain.

Apparently, it is quite normal to queue for hours to vote. Why is this, surely if you have sufficient polling booths it should be a five minute job.

The other point is about voter ID. In the UK you get voting cards posted to you. You then take your polling card with you to the polling station as proof of ID. If more evidence is needed they could ask for a passport or driving licence. I appreciate that many Americans have no passport, but how many adult Americans have no driving license?.



Polling Locations: Racism, coupled with growth that can be predicted yet is ignored in "certain" states.

Voter ID: Racist as well due to past Jim Crow laws and the results on minorities during their birth years.

More info?

Polling Locations:

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/92452767 ... polling-pl
The growth in registered voters has outstripped the number of available polling places in both predominantly white and Black neighborhoods. But the lines to vote have been longer in Black areas, because Black voters are more likely than whites to cast their ballots in person on Election Day and are more reluctant to vote by mail, according to U.S. census data and recent studies. Georgia Public Broadcasting/ProPublica found that about two-thirds of the polling places that had to stay open late for the June primary to accommodate waiting voters were in majority-Black neighborhoods, even though they made up only about one-third of the state's polling places.

Voter ID:
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter ... fact-sheet

Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.8
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:52 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
One point that perhaps someone in the US can explain.

Apparently, it is quite normal to queue for hours to vote. Why is this, surely if you have sufficient polling booths it should be a five minute job.

The other point is about voter ID. In the UK you get voting cards posted to you. You then take your polling card with you to the polling station as proof of ID. If more evidence is needed they could ask for a passport or driving licence. I appreciate that many Americans have no passport, but how many adult Americans have no driving license?.


If you don't have a driving license, most State Identification Cards are free or very low cost. Absolutely no reason one can not be obtained very easily.

Yes and no. No one really cares about the ID itself--it's the IDs that are allowed (such as gun license allowed, but not state university ID allowed for....reasons), and access to those IDs--ie where the DMVs are located, when they're open, how well they're staffed, etc.. There'd be no issue if everyone was given a valid ID for free, but conservatives opposed that again for....reasons.

The reasons are clear. Controlling ID access is seen as a method of controlling who can vote.

But even all that said, the TX law is not about voter ID really--it's long been a requirement and not much is changed on that front. It's all the other nonsensical laws that are transparently Jim Crow 4 Stupid People, like the (now backtracked) ban on voting before noon on Sundays, or where and when ballot boxes can be, or where poll watchers can stand and what penalty is there for not letting them be more intrusive...none of it has anything to do with fraud, and the 2020 election proved there was statistically near zero fraud. So, what is the point then? The answer is obvious.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:11 pm

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Yes and no. No one really cares about the ID itself--it's the IDs that are allowed (such as gun license allowed, but not state university ID allowed for....reasons), and access to those IDs--ie where the DMVs are located, when they're open, how well they're staffed, etc.. There'd be no issue if everyone was given a valid ID for free, but conservatives opposed that again for....reasons.

The reasons are clear. Controlling ID access is seen as a method of controlling who can vote.


It’s an issue that seems simple until you look a little deeper. DMV-potentially located far away/unable to take public transit there, it’s almost guaranteed to take hours once you do get there, and they operate on typical work hours.

If you’re a low wage (or for that matter any wage but as usual, poverty makes everything harder) worker, it pretty much requires an extra day off that you may or may not have, a trip to a place that might not be easily accessible, and then in the end you still most likely have to pay for the ID.

So it’s not a case of “the ID only costs $15, what’s the big deal?!” It’s a day of lost wages, expenses to get there, and expenses to get the ID.

Oh and you also need to provide supporting documents that you may or may not have easy access to. And say you lost those docs or just simply don’t have them? Good news, you get to take another day off and go down to city hall and pay for copies, then wait a few weeks for them to arrive.

Fact is that not many people are actually opposed to voter ID. But for it to work, you have to make getting the ID as simple as possible, and free. But having a free federal ID when you turn 18 is communism, or the government tracking you or some other nonsense, so you can’t have that either
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:23 pm

FGITD wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yes and no. No one really cares about the ID itself--it's the IDs that are allowed (such as gun license allowed, but not state university ID allowed for....reasons), and access to those IDs--ie where the DMVs are located, when they're open, how well they're staffed, etc.. There'd be no issue if everyone was given a valid ID for free, but conservatives opposed that again for....reasons.

The reasons are clear. Controlling ID access is seen as a method of controlling who can vote.


It’s an issue that seems simple until you look a little deeper. DMV-potentially located far away/unable to take public transit there, it’s almost guaranteed to take hours once you do get there, and they operate on typical work hours.

If you’re a low wage (or for that matter any wage but as usual, poverty makes everything harder) worker, it pretty much requires an extra day off that you may or may not have, a trip to a place that might not be easily accessible, and then in the end you still most likely have to pay for the ID.

So it’s not a case of “the ID only costs $15, what’s the big deal?!” It’s a day of lost wages, expenses to get there, and expenses to get the ID.

Oh and you also need to provide supporting documents that you may or may not have easy access to. And say you lost those docs or just simply don’t have them? Good news, you get to take another day off and go down to city hall and pay for copies, then wait a few weeks for them to arrive.

Fact is that not many people are actually opposed to voter ID. But for it to work, you have to make getting the ID as simple as possible, and free. But having a free federal ID when you turn 18 is communism, or the government tracking you or some other nonsense, so you can’t have that either

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: Yeah I don't think anyone is legitimately opposed to voter ID--I think that's just a label that the GOP has, successfully, painted the left with--but more importantly, the economics of voter fraud is so bad, that what's the point? Why would anyone risk jail to have a near zero effect on an election? There are so many better ways to throw an election and politicians know it, and do it, because the risk reward is much more balanced on controlling the eleciton than any fantasy of voter fraud.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:01 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yes and no. No one really cares about the ID itself--it's the IDs that are allowed (such as gun license allowed, but not state university ID allowed for....reasons), and access to those IDs--ie where the DMVs are located, when they're open, how well they're staffed, etc.. There'd be no issue if everyone was given a valid ID for free, but conservatives opposed that again for....reasons.

The reasons are clear. Controlling ID access is seen as a method of controlling who can vote.


It’s an issue that seems simple until you look a little deeper. DMV-potentially located far away/unable to take public transit there, it’s almost guaranteed to take hours once you do get there, and they operate on typical work hours.

If you’re a low wage (or for that matter any wage but as usual, poverty makes everything harder) worker, it pretty much requires an extra day off that you may or may not have, a trip to a place that might not be easily accessible, and then in the end you still most likely have to pay for the ID.

So it’s not a case of “the ID only costs $15, what’s the big deal?!” It’s a day of lost wages, expenses to get there, and expenses to get the ID.

Oh and you also need to provide supporting documents that you may or may not have easy access to. And say you lost those docs or just simply don’t have them? Good news, you get to take another day off and go down to city hall and pay for copies, then wait a few weeks for them to arrive.

Fact is that not many people are actually opposed to voter ID. But for it to work, you have to make getting the ID as simple as possible, and free. But having a free federal ID when you turn 18 is communism, or the government tracking you or some other nonsense, so you can’t have that either

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: Yeah I don't think anyone is legitimately opposed to voter ID--I think that's just a label that the GOP has, successfully, painted the left with--but more importantly, the economics of voter fraud is so bad, that what's the point? Why would anyone risk jail to have a near zero effect on an election? There are so many better ways to throw an election and politicians know it, and do it, because the risk reward is much more balanced on controlling the eleciton than any fantasy of voter fraud.

The issue with the ID isn't the ID itself, it's the fact that ID laws have been demonstrably written with how certain groups are able to obtain them specifically in mind. See North Carolina.
 
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Aesma wrote:
An important point that is not being talked about enough is that all GOP politicians were elected on the same ballots that were supposedly tempered with by the conspiracy. How do they explain that ?


Whoopi Goldberg made a similar irrational argument. She said if the Democrats cheated during the 2020 election, why didn't they win every single down ballot?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:39 pm

afcjets wrote:
Aesma wrote:
An important point that is not being talked about enough is that all GOP politicians were elected on the same ballots that were supposedly tempered with by the conspiracy. How do they explain that ?


Whoopi Goldberg made a similar irrational argument. She said if the Democrats cheated during the 2020 election, why didn't they win every single down ballot?

I'll bite: do you actually believe what you just typed is "irrational?''
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:42 pm

Just exactly what is the governor going to arrest these Democrats for, does anyone know?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:01 pm

Brit here…

What’s so complex about having the right ID to vote and at the right window?

Why is it so hard to do this under these rules?

Voting is a right of course, but also a responsibility: what exactly is it that makes voting so hard?

Serious question before the flame starts.

If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:08 pm

chimborazo wrote:
If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:12 pm

afcjets wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.


There are so many places around the world where one cannot even vote and people there would move heaven and earth to do so. It’s lazy to say the government are making it hard to vote… so what. Rise above. If you really want to vote… you will. Otherwise it’s just excuses.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:14 pm

afcjets wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.



More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:21 pm

chimborazo wrote:
Brit here…

What’s so complex about having the right ID to vote and at the right window?

Why is it so hard to do this under these rules?

Voting is a right of course, but also a responsibility: what exactly is it that makes voting so hard?

Serious question before the flame starts.

If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


Imagine you’re a low wage American worker

You need an ID to vote. The place to get the ID is 25 miles away, you don’t own a car because you can’t afford one, and there’s no public transit option to get there. They’re also open 9-5 Monday through Friday, which are the hours and days you work. Also they charge for the ID.

So you lost pay because you needed the day off to go buy your own ID, but now you can vote. Your city of 500,000 people has 3 polling locations, and good news, we vote on a Tuesday. They’re legally obligated in most states to give you some time off to vote, but in your state you only get 1 hour, and the line looks to be at least a few hours (again, 500k people, 3 voting locations)

The good news is you voted. The bad news is that your boss is pissed at how much time you’ve been away from work, between the ID and voting. They can’t fire you for taking your time to vote, but they can fire you for literally any other reason, including no reason. So since you’re the one who raised a stink about needing time off to do your civic duty, you’ve now been fired, reason given is that you showed up late to work once a few months back.

Obviously this is a hypothetical and slightly exaggerated situation, but it gives the basic gist of what goes on. It’s not the ID that’s the problem, it’s the obstacles to getting one, and voting. If your life is down to paying the rent vs voting, not only has the system failed, but it’s an easy choice for the individual.


And the grand reason for most of the obstacles is simple. When more people vote, one certain blue party tends to fare much better than the other. The obstacles are largely in urban areas. That city of 500k has 3 polls, but the county of 120k right nearby has 5. Guess which way each region swings?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:22 pm

casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.



More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.


There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:27 pm

FGITD wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
Brit here…

What’s so complex about having the right ID to vote and at the right window?

Why is it so hard to do this under these rules?

Voting is a right of course, but also a responsibility: what exactly is it that makes voting so hard?

Serious question before the flame starts.

If a person really wants to vote they will, and they will make sure they are able to do so. Timings may not be optimal but there is a voting day… go vote. Make it happen.


Imagine you’re a low wage American worker

You need an ID to vote. The place to get the ID is 25 miles away, you don’t own a car because you can’t afford one, and there’s no public transit option to get there. They’re also open 9-5 Monday through Friday, which are the hours and days you work. Also they charge for the ID.

So you lost pay because you needed the day off to go buy your own ID, but now you can vote. Your city of 500,000 people has 3 polling locations, and good news, we vote on a Tuesday. They’re legally obligated in most states to give you some time off to vote, but in your state you only get 1 hour, and the line looks to be at least a few hours (again, 500k people, 3 voting locations)

The good news is you voted. The bad news is that your boss is pissed at how much time you’ve been away from work, between the ID and voting. They can’t fire you for taking your time to vote, but they can fire you for literally any other reason, including no reason. So since you’re the one who raised a stink about needing time off to do your civic duty, you’ve now been fired, reason given is that you showed up late to work once a few months back.

Obviously this is a hypothetical and slightly exaggerated situation, but it gives the basic gist of what goes on. It’s not the ID that’s the problem, it’s the obstacles to getting one, and voting. If your life is down to paying the rent vs voting, not only has the system failed, but it’s an easy choice for the individual.


And the grand reason for most of the obstacles is simple. When more people vote, one certain blue party tends to fare much better than the other. The obstacles are largely in urban areas. That city of 500k has 3 polls, but the county of 120k right nearby has 5. Guess which way each region swings?



Clear. Why don’t people have the ID in the first place?

Have you considered that a certain blue party can’t get enough support unless they make it Really easy for people. Why? Why shouldn’t people put some effort in?

I am genuinely intrigued.

Why does a certain red party find it easier to attract voters in some places?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:34 pm

chimborazo wrote:
casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:

That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.



More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.


There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


If you look at the example set out by FGITD above, voting means you are now unemployed having been dismissed. IMO, this particularly applies if you are an 'at will' employee.

If you are fired and have few savings, (quite likely if you are poorly paid) you and your family could easily end up homeless for non payment of rent.

Are you going to risk that with no guarantee of winning.

Equally, yes it is possible to walk 30 miles, stand around for hours and then walk 30 miles home, (assuming you are fit).

Again no guarantee of any benefit for doing so.

The real question is whether voting is intended to be an endurance test, and if so why?.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:44 pm

bennett123 wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
casinterest wrote:


More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.


There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


If you look at the example set out by FGITD above, voting means you are now unemployed having been dismissed. IMO, this particularly applies if you are an 'at will' employee.

If you are fired and have few savings, (quite likely if you are poorly paid) you and your family could easily end up homeless for non payment of rent.

Are you going to risk that with no guarantee of winning.

Equally, yes it is possible to walk 30 miles, stand around for hours and then walk 30 miles home, (assuming you are fit).

Again no guarantee of any benefit for doing so.

The real question is whether voting is intended to be an endurance test, and if so why?.


“At will employee” is a whole different thread. I find that disgusting.

Point here is that if voting really means something a person will make it happen. I find it hard to understand that so many people who are disengaged from the voting process then complain about it. It may be difficult to vote… but if it means that much then do what you need to vote. Vote the right person and make it happen.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:53 pm

chimborazo wrote:
casinterest wrote:
afcjets wrote:

That's not what Democrats want. They want to recruit apathetic citizens who don't follow the issues and have no interest in voting and present them with a voter registration form and completed ballot with a checkmark next to all the Ds.



More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.


There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


it is called percentages. The GOP is making use of known effective means of blocking access. Moving polling locations, closing them down, making it harder to work.
At the end of the day no one is required to vote in the USA, but the GOP does understand their demographic, and they work hard to stoke fear and racism, while making it harder for minorities to vote. When the Government makes rules tougher, it is the Governments fault. Especially in a democracy.

Read a bit here on how the GOP has been using this for years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ng/585619/

Thus Representative David Lewis’s line about political considerations in redistricting. In context, that quote covers two principles. First, politics is a legal consideration, while race sometimes is not. The map in question used politics and not race. Second, the map could have been more favorable to Republicans—11 to two instead of 10 to three—had we ignored the other traditional redistricting criteria, including compactness and contiguity.

And then, in 2016, the same Democratic activists filed another lawsuit, this time arguing that considering politics during redistricting is, in fact, unconstitutional. In an odd bit of legal gymnastics, the federal court of jurisdiction agreed with that argument, apparently contradicting its own decision earlier that year.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:19 pm

casinterest wrote:
chimborazo wrote:
casinterest wrote:


More lies from the GOP that continues to restrict polling locations and access, especially in minority districts. Rolling out the trope of people will vote if they want to , doesn't help people that live 30 miles from a voting facility.


There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


it is called percentages. The GOP is making use of known effective means of blocking access. Moving polling locations, closing them down, making it harder to work.
At the end of the day no one is required to vote in the USA, but the GOP does understand their demographic, and they work hard to stoke fear and racism, while making it harder for minorities to vote. When the Government makes rules tougher, it is the Governments fault. Especially in a democracy.

Read a bit here on how the GOP has been using this for years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ng/585619/

Thus Representative David Lewis’s line about political considerations in redistricting. In context, that quote covers two principles. First, politics is a legal consideration, while race sometimes is not. The map in question used politics and not race. Second, the map could have been more favorable to Republicans—11 to two instead of 10 to three—had we ignored the other traditional redistricting criteria, including compactness and contiguity.

And then, in 2016, the same Democratic activists filed another lawsuit, this time arguing that considering politics during redistricting is, in fact, unconstitutional. In an odd bit of legal gymnastics, the federal court of jurisdiction agreed with that argument, apparently contradicting its own decision earlier that year.


Sure. But the making it harder to vote principle also affects a lot of white lower-income voters. The only sensible way is making voting blocks based on population areas. Why does race have anything to do with it?
 
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Texas sounds awful!! Why are people there voting for politicians who support this rhetoric?! I know there are some forward thinking people there, but lately the chaos coming out of Texas is hurting the U.S. Hopefully the transplants from places like CA are making the state more progressive!! We need business to take a stand and leave states like this.
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:24 pm

chimborazo wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
chimborazo wrote:

There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


If you look at the example set out by FGITD above, voting means you are now unemployed having been dismissed. IMO, this particularly applies if you are an 'at will' employee.

If you are fired and have few savings, (quite likely if you are poorly paid) you and your family could easily end up homeless for non payment of rent.

Are you going to risk that with no guarantee of winning.

Equally, yes it is possible to walk 30 miles, stand around for hours and then walk 30 miles home, (assuming you are fit).

Again no guarantee of any benefit for doing so.

The real question is whether voting is intended to be an endurance test, and if so why?.


“At will employee” is a whole different thread. I find that disgusting.

Point here is that if voting really means something a person will make it happen. I find it hard to understand that so many people who are disengaged from the voting process then complain about it. It may be difficult to vote… but if it means that much then do what you need to vote. Vote the right person and make it happen.


Surely the 'at will employee' issue is linked.

IMO, your central contention is flawed because you are taking a very black and white standpoint.

What the Republicans' are doing is slightly closer to a casino. The house does not need to in every hand, but if they win 60% of the time they come out on top. If the Republicans can reduce the votes received by the Democrats by 5-10% then they win the election.
 
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Surely the 'at will employee' issue is linked.

IMO, your central contention is flawed because you are taking a very black and white standpoint.




It’s flawed because it’s a stupid argument. It’s basically saying that if you’re poor and don’t like the system, you need to work for your vote to prove that it means something to you.

If you’re rich and voting is easy…you get to maintain the status quo just by existing.
 
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Clear. Why don’t people have the ID in the first place?

Have you considered that a certain blue party can’t get enough support unless they make it Really easy for people. Why? Why shouldn’t people put some effort in?

I am genuinely intrigued.

Why does a certain red party find it easier to attract voters in some places?


Why does the GOP not want any difficulty in buying guns ?

It seems to me Biden got plenty of support, in fact a historic number.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:13 am

FGITD wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yes and no. No one really cares about the ID itself--it's the IDs that are allowed (such as gun license allowed, but not state university ID allowed for....reasons), and access to those IDs--ie where the DMVs are located, when they're open, how well they're staffed, etc.. There'd be no issue if everyone was given a valid ID for free, but conservatives opposed that again for....reasons.

The reasons are clear. Controlling ID access is seen as a method of controlling who can vote.


It’s an issue that seems simple until you look a little deeper. DMV-potentially located far away/unable to take public transit there, it’s almost guaranteed to take hours once you do get there, and they operate on typical work hours.

If you’re a low wage (or for that matter any wage but as usual, poverty makes everything harder) worker, it pretty much requires an extra day off that you may or may not have, a trip to a place that might not be easily accessible, and then in the end you still most likely have to pay for the ID.

So it’s not a case of “the ID only costs $15, what’s the big deal?!” It’s a day of lost wages, expenses to get there, and expenses to get the ID.

Oh and you also need to provide supporting documents that you may or may not have easy access to. And say you lost those docs or just simply don’t have them? Good news, you get to take another day off and go down to city hall and pay for copies, then wait a few weeks for them to arrive.

Fact is that not many people are actually opposed to voter ID. But for it to work, you have to make getting the ID as simple as possible, and free. But having a free federal ID when you turn 18 is communism, or the government tracking you or some other nonsense, so you can’t have that either


Families (with children), are about to start getting lots of extra cash from the Govt., the Pandemic related authorized payouts to families with children.

"Child Tax Credit 2021: Payments roll out starting July 15 — here's when the money will land"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7USd--ClQLw

Surely they could set aside the expense of getting a State ID from this inflow of money??
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:19 am

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There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


I'm just trying to understand the point you're trying to make here.

Some people walk 15 miles a day to get water (in Africa, to get a basic substance that keeps them alive, for example?) so why don't Americans put the same effort into voting?

...and, if they are complaining about their difficulty in voting, why don't they vote against it? I'm not sure where to start with that one.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:00 am

chimborazo wrote:
casinterest wrote:
chimborazo wrote:

There are millions of people who have no right to vote.why is 30 miles so hard? Some people walk half that every day to get water. Why is it always the governments’s fault and not the voter? I’m not saying I agree with the rules… but they are there. Or will be… make an effort to vote. If you don’t like the policy: vote it out.

If the majority accept the conditions then they are accepted. Make an effort. Vote it out. If people can’t make the effort then the “unfair” voting situation will continue.


it is called percentages. The GOP is making use of known effective means of blocking access. Moving polling locations, closing them down, making it harder to work.
At the end of the day no one is required to vote in the USA, but the GOP does understand their demographic, and they work hard to stoke fear and racism, while making it harder for minorities to vote. When the Government makes rules tougher, it is the Governments fault. Especially in a democracy.

Read a bit here on how the GOP has been using this for years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ng/585619/

Thus Representative David Lewis’s line about political considerations in redistricting. In context, that quote covers two principles. First, politics is a legal consideration, while race sometimes is not. The map in question used politics and not race. Second, the map could have been more favorable to Republicans—11 to two instead of 10 to three—had we ignored the other traditional redistricting criteria, including compactness and contiguity.

And then, in 2016, the same Democratic activists filed another lawsuit, this time arguing that considering politics during redistricting is, in fact, unconstitutional. In an odd bit of legal gymnastics, the federal court of jurisdiction agreed with that argument, apparently contradicting its own decision earlier that year.


Sure. But the making it harder to vote principle also affects a lot of white lower-income voters. The only sensible way is making voting blocks based on population areas. Why does race have anything to do with it?


This is the US. Poverty affects a higher percentage of minorities due to past unequal laws.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:21 am

Pi7472000 wrote:
Texas sounds awful!! Why are people there voting for politicians who support this rhetoric?! I know there are some forward thinking people there, but lately the chaos coming out of Texas is hurting the U.S. Hopefully the transplants from places like CA are making the state more progressive!! We need business to take a stand and leave states like this.


Some Texas politicians are awful; just like some national pols, they spend far more time consolidating their power and trying to guarantee their own reelection (and just wait until redistricting comes around!) than in doing anything for their constituents. And transplants and the better-educated classes are exactly what has them scared - and why they are trying to suppress voting in the bigger counties, where these voters congregate, while knowing the small, rural backwoods doesn't need what more populous areas need (like 24-hour voting, in-car voting, etc.).



afcjets wrote:
Just exactly what is the governor going to arrest these Democrats for, does anyone know?


Not contributing to his campaign.

;)
 
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If I used my benefits at my job to fly around while I was supposed to be at work, I would be fired.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos