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Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:29 am

Part of western Germany and eastern Belgium have seen historically deadly, severe weather and flooding on July 14-15th. The worst was along parts of the Rhine river and tributaries in Germany. There are over 95 recorded dead, with over 1000 missing at this time. Some towns and villages have seen massive damage to structures, parked cars have piled up like felled trees. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/at ... li=BBnb7Kz
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:54 pm

over 120 dead now according to BBC.

At least 120 people have died and hundreds more in western Europe are unaccounted for after some of the worst flooding in decades.

Record rainfall caused rivers to burst their banks, devastating the region.

In Germany, where the death toll now stands at over 100, Chancellor Angela Merkel called for a determined battle against climate change.

Belgian media is reporting 22 deaths there. The Netherlands, Luxembourg and Switzerland are also affected.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57858829
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:05 pm

There were also huge severe thunderstorms in Lombardy twice in one week, the latter causing a freak hailstorm that forced an EK 777 to return to MXP. Mexico, Arizona, and western India have all seen major flooding in the last week too.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:07 pm

Horrible and scary. The images in those pictures look like the River is working hard to reroute itself wit that land damage.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57858829

I will expect at some point today, Jeff Masters will have an article examining this event in full. I would look for it after 0500 UTC.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/topi ... the-storm/

For now it seems June was one of the warmest for the record books... 5th highest. The land temperatures were the highest, but the oceans were a bit cooler due to some Eastern Pacific La Nina effects.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021 ... and-areas/
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:21 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/57862526

https://meteoalarm.org/en/

The weather will be in place at least 2 more days and France could well get a pounding.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:42 pm

2 months worth of rainfall in 24 hours is extreme!

The terrain in the Ardennes and the affected part of the Eiffel is a plateau with fairly deep cut and narrow valleys. The rivers in those valleys usually are small and rather fast flowing. The villages along those rivers are the ones that got hit hard. The small rivers became fast, turbulent streams overflowing the villages. They really stood no chance against this violence.

There also are floods along the larger rivers, but those don't do the same damage. Fortunately, there are very few dikes that broke. Hear there's one that broke in The Netherlands now.

Could this have been prevented? In Belgium we have a warning system about the weather, a colour code: yellow - orange - red. On wednesday, it was announced that the code was red for Thursday and Friday. I suppose there were some preparations and services on alert, but other than that... . Then again, evacuations were the only way to prevent the loss of lives. Code red is rare, but not extremely exceptional. You can't go evacuating every time weather code is red... . Perhaps we need an extra code, black, for circumstances like this. But even so, evacuations based on predictions, this will always be difficult.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
There were also huge severe thunderstorms in Lombardy twice in one week, the latter causing a freak hailstorm that forced an EK 777 to return to MXP. Mexico, Arizona, and western India have all seen major flooding in the last week too.


Arizona always sees major flooding this time of year, it's monsoon season after all. Some years it rains more than others and the flooding is worse. Last year the monsoon was pretty pathetic and this year its stronger. Much to do about nothing as far as Arizona is concerned.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
There were also huge severe thunderstorms in Lombardy twice in one week, the latter causing a freak hailstorm that forced an EK 777 to return to MXP. Mexico, Arizona, and western India have all seen major flooding in the last week too.


Arizona always sees major flooding this time of year, it's monsoon season after all. Some years it rains more than others and the flooding is worse. Last year the monsoon was pretty pathetic and this year its stronger. Much to do about nothing as far as Arizona is concerned.


Everyone in the west knows what the monsoon is - the difference for the folks in Flagstaff area was flooding exacerbated by burn scars from 2019's fires.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:18 pm

Some flooding in France but not too bad yet, however it has been raining for days so the ground must be full of water already.

Time for Merkel to call for closing the coal plants and restarting the nuclear ones maybe.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:20 pm

Jalap wrote:
Hear there's one that broke in The Netherlands now.
Technically not broken yet, but it has been holed. Initially autorities reported a 1 by 1 meter hole near Meerssen. Now they are saying "a large hole with a risk of of dyke breach".

https://nos.nl/collectie/13869/artikel/ ... rd-limburg

People in Bunde, Voulwames, Brommelen en Geulle (all in the borough of Meerssen) where initially ordered to get upstairs immediately. The autorities feared a dyke collapse and felt evacuation would take too long. Forunately the threat was apparantly downscaled, therefor the current instruction is to evacuate immediately for the affected areas. The emergency services, military and rescue brigades from all over the country are assisting.

Since we are on an aviation site: the affected dyke is less then a KM away from Maastricht airport. The airport is not threatened though.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:29 pm

And while I was typing my previous reply, the autorities managed to repaid the dyke.

see the message of 16:10 on this newspaper's timeline
https://www.bd.nl/dossier-watersnood/li ... ~a01fd4dc/
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:57 pm

Direct evidence of human caused climate change. We are seeing extremes across the world. We need to move off fossil fuels across the globe.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm

petertenthije wrote:
And while I was typing my previous reply, the autorities managed to repaid the dyke.

see the message of 16:10 on this newspaper's timeline
https://www.bd.nl/dossier-watersnood/li ... ~a01fd4dc/

Good! All in all, the quality of the dykes is not something to complain about. They hold, even if some water is flowing over. And the breaches all seem to get fixed fairly quicky. There's one being fixed in Belgium now.

What' the outlook for the Maas downstream? I hear it's now reaching Venlo and there are evacuations. But it's still a long way to the sea... . Perhaps the natural flood zones along the way can take away the sting.
I guess the Rhine isn't really affected?
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:16 pm

The village of Jalhay in the Ardennes got 271mm of rain over 48 hours. That's the highest ever measured in Belgium. 100 is the normal average for the month of July.

In Spa it was 217mm. Spa is well known for it's source of mineral water and of course the Formula 1 racetrack of Francourchamps (which damaged).
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:18 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
There were also huge severe thunderstorms in Lombardy twice in one week, the latter causing a freak hailstorm that forced an EK 777 to return to MXP. Mexico, Arizona, and western India have all seen major flooding in the last week too.


Arizona always sees major flooding this time of year, it's monsoon season after all. Some years it rains more than others and the flooding is worse. Last year the monsoon was pretty pathetic and this year its stronger. Much to do about nothing as far as Arizona is concerned.


Everyone in the west knows what the monsoon is - the difference for the folks in Flagstaff area was flooding exacerbated by burn scars from 2019's fires.


You are correct, this happens every major storm after a fire, again nothing new.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:44 pm

We see here the global warming effect on the jetstream. The weather systems are driven by the jetstream, so they move from west to east in general. Regarding global warming, in summer, the jetstream is getting weaker and weaker every year.

In Germany we have seen it in the last 10 summers, either big draughts for several month in summer or....extreme weather conditions in the other way. In summer, the weather sytems just do not move any more, so when it is raining on one spot, it is raining...and raining and raining over hours... And 100 km away, not a single rain drop over weeks....

And when there is a draught...there is a draught...and it stays.

Pretty sure, in Germany we will not see again just an average summer. We will see only extreme wheather conditions.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:51 pm

Terrible seeing all the pictures.

Thoughts are with all the victims.

Could we see a united effort to reforest as much land as possible to cope with changing weather patterns?
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:01 pm

Jalap wrote:
[What' the outlook for the Maas downstream? I hear it's now reaching Venlo and there are evacuations. But it's still a long way to the sea... . Perhaps the natural flood zones along the way can take away the sting.
I guess the Rhine isn't really affected?


In the past decades, the Dutch government has implemented a plan 'ruimte voor de rivieren', room for the rivers, which is quite literally that. Hopefully, all will be fine.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:44 pm

This night, we will see the part two, now the southern parts of Bavaria and Austria will be hit. It is still the same depression, which has devastated the western part of Germany and parts of Belgium. It has not moved, it is still here.

So tomorrow we will see some additional bad news, I will just hope, it will be less worse.

EDIT: I was to slow. Disaster alarm has been announced for some parts of Bavaria, few minutes ago.


https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live232509543/Hochwasser-Unwetter-aktuell-Katastrophenfall-in-Oberbayern-ausgerufen.html

Hallein in Austria now: and is there someone just dying in this video? I hope, these are clothes, which are washed out of the window and not a human.

EDIT 2: I have just deleted the link. Yes, there is someone in the water....And most likely, this person is now dead, this is not to be shown.

another one.
https://twitter.com/KerschiJ/status/1416487176674684933

EDIT 3:
Another one from Hallein in Austria..
https://twitter.com/manu_bx/status/1416491417288028162?s=20

And also in Saxonin Swiss in Germany, so in eastern part of Germany.
https://www.rtl.de/cms/regenmassen-sorgen-fuer-ueberflutungen-in-der-saechsischen-schweiz-4798156.html
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:46 pm

Let’s all hope so - the more areas affected, the less resources to help.
 
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Re: Deadly storms, rain with flooding in Europe

Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:03 pm

T4thH wrote:
This night, we will see the part two, now the southern parts of Bavaria and Austria will be hit. It is still the same depression, which has devastated the western part of Germany and parts of Belgium. It has not moved, it is still here.

So tomorrow we will see some additional bad news, I will just hope, it will be less worse.

EDIT: I was to slow. Disaster alarm has been announced for some parts of Bavaria, few minutes ago.


https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live232509543/Hochwasser-Unwetter-aktuell-Katastrophenfall-in-Oberbayern-ausgerufen.html

Hallein in Austria now: and is there someone just dying in this video? I hope, these are clothes, which are washed out of the window and not a human.

EDIT 2: I have just deleted the link. Yes, there is someone in the water....And most likely, this person is now dead, this is not to be shown.

another one.
https://twitter.com/KerschiJ/status/1416487176674684933

EDIT 3:
Another one from Hallein in Austria..
https://twitter.com/manu_bx/status/1416491417288028162?s=20

And also in Saxonin Swiss in Germany, so in eastern part of Germany.
https://www.rtl.de/cms/regenmassen-sorgen-fuer-ueberflutungen-in-der-saechsischen-schweiz-4798156.html


Great news from Hallein in Austria, it seems, no one has been killed or more than lightly harmed.

I have had prior cancelled following video, it seems, these were clothes and not a human, which have been flooded out of the shop through the broken window.
https://twitter.com/DerMarioO/status/1416481794854199297

Even there were some close calls. Just always remind, if there were just 30 and little more cm of fast flowing water, you have no chance, it will wash you away, you have only a slight chance to stay on your own foots.
https://twitter.com/dukatesGB/status/1416502912818327554

And always remind, if just now the water wants to fill up an empty space/room like a cellar floor (or here the open door and by luck the open place behind), they will be sucked in (as seen here) and be drowned (as by luck not seen here).
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