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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:07 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Some people seem to be desperately looking for some explanation apart from climate change.


Yeah, it's called fires. Happens all the time.
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:05 pm

slider wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Some people seem to be desperately looking for some explanation apart from climate change.


Yeah, it's called fires. Happens all the time.


The size and frequency of fires has not happened until recently.
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:54 pm

slider wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Some people seem to be desperately looking for some explanation apart from climate change.


Yeah, it's called fires. Happens all the time.


You didn't grow up there, right? Every old timer in CA is saying they have never seen it as bad as in recent years.
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:32 pm

slider wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Some people seem to be desperately looking for some explanation apart from climate change.


Yeah, it's called fires. Happens all the time.


Don't forget it is sooo much easier to play the Climate Change Card and do nothing, than to take preventive measures.
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:42 am

Dieuwer wrote:

Don't forget it is sooo much easier to play the Climate Change Card and do nothing, than to take preventive measures.


Climate change as a result of increased greenhouse gas emissions clearly played a role in the conditions that led up to the fires and in the unrelenting conditions that supported the fires to spread.

The 2019-20 bush fire season challenged conventional assumptions. For example, it appears that the extreme dryness of forested regions over large continuous areas was the determining factor in the size of the fires. When taken together with the weather conditions experienced, the fires became extreme, burning through forests and across bare earth. Previous prescribed burning and hazard reduction activity appears to have reduced fire severity in some instances, but in others it appears to have had no effect on the severity and spread of the fires.


Straight from the inquiry report into the 2019/2020 Australian bushfires (aka wild/forest fires) I’m sure this season’s northern hemisphere fires will have similar comments made about them. Climate change, drought, dryness, decreased rainfall and extreme temperatures increased the severity of the forest, and conventional fire management techniques failed.

https://www.dpc.nsw.gov.au/assets/dpc-n ... nquiry.pdf
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:55 am

A report into the effects of climate change was released previously containing the following statement:

The Garnaut Climate Change Review's final report said projections of fire weather "suggest that fire seasons will start earlier, end slightly later, and generally be more intense".

"This effect increases over time, but should be directly observable by 2020."


The catch? That report was released in 2008, 12 years before the event it correctly predicted.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-clima ... ire-season
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Mon Aug 09, 2021 2:49 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
The catch? That report was released in 2008, 12 years before the event it correctly predicted.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-clima ... ire-season


Politicians caught red-handed.
They had 4 years to take preventive measures, but instead decided to spend time in front of cameras and play the Climate Change Card.
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:41 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:
The catch? That report was released in 2008, 12 years before the event it correctly predicted.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-clima ... ire-season


Politicians caught red-handed.
They had 4 years to take preventive measures, but instead decided to spend time in front of cameras and play the Climate Change Card.


Every time climate change is brought up, guess who kills the bills?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... hange-bill
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ill-death/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1R71BZ

Climate change exists, climate change is real. Calls for doing something have been made for decades. But, we can't because either the initial cost is too expensive or it is not real or it is just a scare tactic or we need to fund infrastructure or we need to fund the military or.........
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:17 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Salt Lake had some of the worst air quality in the world yesterday, and Denver and Colorado today from wildfires. Where will people live in the U.S? Floods and record rains in the East this year and fires in the West. Human caused climate change is real.


Important question. As aridification increases and winters moderate, temperate zones will become much more populated than they are now.
They used to live here but they "didn't like the cold". It's called the Rust Belt and we'll keep our water, thank you very much! :D
 
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Re: Wildfires in the Western United States

Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:12 am

Dieuwer wrote:
slider wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Some people seem to be desperately looking for some explanation apart from climate change.


Yeah, it's called fires. Happens all the time.


Don't forget it is sooo much easier to play the Climate Change Card and do nothing, than to take preventive measures.

Exactly, taxing co2 emitting industries or the fuel sources would be the best preventative measure I’d guess, using tariffs for the importation of goods based on their carbon foot print to ensure that this global problem is suitably addressed by the richer nations. Using the taxes generated from that in the short term to allow the hysteresis of the current co2 levels and associated more extreme weather to be handled. Upping tax levels to ensure those measures can be carried out and the relevant infrastructure made.

Preventative measures are clearly the way to go! Climate change is the biggest factor so the best way forward is to manage that rather than a bandaid to deal with the symptoms of that.

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