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Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:29 am

Salutations!

I am a beginner bass player. I would love to hear your favorite bass lines and shredders of the quad-string bandit. I very much admire Laura Lee of Khruangbin and Phil Lesh.
 
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Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:59 am

Not a bass player, but there is good website to reference for bass players. It's http://www.talkbass.com
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penguins wrote:
I would love to hear your favorite bass lines and shredders of the quad-string bandit.

No. 1: Everywhere I lay my hat by Pino Palladino
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fypv6ZPXNxQ

No. 2: Red Rain by Tony Levin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pAsfnv2pUPI

No. 3: Love Games by Mark King, not for beginners, I cannot play it either…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjZpy-cfEEE


And I really recommend you to follow legendary bass player Leland Sklar’s YouTube channel: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCs5yDeiOgkyRZGZGphlSbIw
 
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Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:10 pm

penguins wrote:
Salutations!

I am a beginner bass player. I would love to hear your favorite bass lines and shredders of the quad-string bandit. I very much admire Laura Lee of Khruangbin and Phil Lesh.


You'd do well to follow the galloping legend himself, Steve Harris. Here is is live, check 2:30-3:00 and plenty of covers out there too. The second guy is good but he needs to work on his face, it's not concert ready. You can look crazy or like it's no big deal, but round John Lennon glasses are a big no-no.
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Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:23 pm

The best there's ever been - solo starts at about 4:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqKwAbrnKE
 
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The best there's ever been - solo starts at about 4:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqKwAbrnKE
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Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:03 am

Grand Funk Railroad - "Black Licorice"

Bassist is the fabulous Mel Schacher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiEy3nbmjd4
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Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:24 am

Simon Gallup was the first bassist who really got me interested in the instrument as a kid - plays a variety of styles and is always moving all over the stage for two hours, even now in his later years. You can literally choose any song in the Cure's repertoire and he's looking / doing something cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo
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Aaron747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo

It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/
 
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N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo

It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/


I was able to hear it pretty well on my HD headphones earlier when I tried both clips.
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Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm

What? Uh. No, thats not how it works.

N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo

It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/
 
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:26 am

Aaron747 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo

It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/


I was able to hear it pretty well on my HD headphones earlier when I tried both clips.


M564038 wrote:
What? Uh. No, thats not how it works.

N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqY98DxjYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceyqig7lhSo

It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/


Oh, so it seems as if I am deaf! :listen:

But seriously, the YouTube channel I mentioned above has been specifically started to show the bass parts from Phil Collins live concerts. Leland Sklar himself says that it’s hard to hear the bass lines in these arenas. That’s why he started his channel.

But who knows, as a bass player I stood hundreds of hours next to the drummer. Maybe that affected my ears…
 
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:27 am

N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/


I was able to hear it pretty well on my HD headphones earlier when I tried both clips.


M564038 wrote:
What? Uh. No, thats not how it works.

N14AZ wrote:
It’s really hard to hear the bass on live concerts, especially open air concerts… :-/


Oh, so it seems as if I am deaf! :listen:

But seriously, the YouTube channel I mentioned above has been specifically started to show the bass parts from Phil Collins live concerts. Leland Sklar himself says that it’s hard to hear the bass lines in these arenas. That’s why he started his channel.

But who knows, as a bass player I stood hundreds of hours next to the drummer. Maybe that affected my ears…


With or without monitors?
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:42 am

Aaron747 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

I was able to hear it pretty well on my HD headphones earlier when I tried both clips.


M564038 wrote:
What? Uh. No, thats not how it works.



Oh, so it seems as if I am deaf! :listen:

But seriously, the YouTube channel I mentioned above has been specifically started to show the bass parts from Phil Collins live concerts. Leland Sklar himself says that it’s hard to hear the bass lines in these arenas. That’s why he started his channel.

But who knows, as a bass player I stood hundreds of hours next to the drummer. Maybe that affected my ears…


With or without monitors?

What?!?! I cannot hear you, please speak louder… ;)

Just kidding: the majority of gigs was without monitors..
 
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N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:



Oh, so it seems as if I am deaf! :listen:

But seriously, the YouTube channel I mentioned above has been specifically started to show the bass parts from Phil Collins live concerts. Leland Sklar himself says that it’s hard to hear the bass lines in these arenas. That’s why he started his channel.

But who knows, as a bass player I stood hundreds of hours next to the drummer. Maybe that affected my ears…


With or without monitors?

What?!?! I cannot hear you, please speak louder… ;)

Just kidding: the majority of gigs was without monitors..


Then I am not surprised if you have hearing damage :scratchchin:
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:03 pm

If one has hearing damage, one tends to hear more bass (relatively), not less. But i guess there are exeptions;-)

Walls bounce sounds back. Some frequencies get summed, others get dips.
Outdoors, bass requires more amplification to be at the same apparent level as the uneven chaos indoors. Someone present with both ears and the power to adjust volume does just this. They are called sound engineers.

When we build extremely accurate rooms for music recording and sound production indoors, we strive for them to be more like being outside, because that is the ideal.
 
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:58 pm

Been playing bass for probably 15 years now. Also play drums and guitar, but find that bass is a nice combo of rhythm and melody.

penguins wrote:
quad-string bandit.


I am deeply offended, as I play 5- and 6-string basses (I don't even own a 4-string... :blush: )

Some bass players who have been influential to me to varying degrees over the years (in no particular order):

Cliff Burton (Metallica)
John Myung (Dream Theater)
Geddy Lee (Rush)
Matt Freeman (Rancid)
Rex Brown (Pantera)
Tom Hamilton (Aerosmith)
Rob DeLeo (Stone Temple Pilots)
Stefan Lessard (Dave Matthews Band)
Billy Gould (Faith No More)
Tim Commerford (Rage Against the Machine)
Justin Chancellor (Tool)
John Entwistle (The Who)

I'm sure there are others, and then there are plenty of songs that have cool bass lines as well.

One of these days, I need to get myself a decent amp for playing at home. Nothing earth-shaking, but my small 50-watt Peavey practice amp doesn't handle low-B strings very well, so if anyone has any advice I'm all ears.
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Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:40 pm

Basses have 4 strings, unless it is a Fender VI.
There are no such things as 5-6 string basses.
vikkyvik wrote:
Been playing bass for probably 15 years now. Also play drums and guitar, but find that bass is a nice combo of rhythm and melody.

penguins wrote:
quad-string bandit.


I am deeply offended, as I play 5- and 6-string basses (I don't even own a 4-string... :blush: )

Some bass players who have been influential to me to varying degrees over the years (in no particular order):

Cliff Burton (Metallica)
John Myung (Dream Theater)
Geddy Lee (Rush)
Matt Freeman (Rancid)
Rex Brown (Pantera)
Tom Hamilton (Aerosmith)
Rob DeLeo (Stone Temple Pilots)
Stefan Lessard (Dave Matthews Band)
Billy Gould (Faith No More)
Tim Commerford (Rage Against the Machine)
Justin Chancellor (Tool)
John Entwistle (The Who)

I'm sure there are others, and then there are plenty of songs that have cool bass lines as well.

One of these days, I need to get myself a decent amp for playing at home. Nothing earth-shaking, but my small 50-watt Peavey practice amp doesn't handle low-B strings very well, so if anyone has any advice I'm all ears.
 
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M564038 wrote:
Basses have 4 strings, unless it is a Fender VI.


It's OK, I understand and accept that most bassists can't count to 5.

But trust me, there's a whole world of numbers out there when you get past 4!
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Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:21 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Basses have 4 strings, unless it is a Fender VI.


It's OK, I understand and accept that most bassists can't count to 5.

But trust me, there's a whole world of numbers out there when you get past 4!


You guys may not be able to count but you do have a great sense of humor. And it is true, the interwebs confirm it.
 
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Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:35 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Basses have 4 strings, unless it is a Fender VI.


It's OK, I understand and accept that most bassists can't count to 5.

But trust me, there's a whole world of numbers out there when you get past 4!

I agree - heck, way back in 1977, John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin played an 8-string bass on about four or five songs in their live set.
 
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Those were just octaves. More or less just an effect. A rich man’s chorus. Doesn’t count.
Basses has 4 strings.

ER757 wrote:
vikkyvik wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Basses have 4 strings, unless it is a Fender VI.


It's OK, I understand and accept that most bassists can't count to 5.

But trust me, there's a whole world of numbers out there when you get past 4!

I agree - heck, way back in 1977, John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin played an 8-string bass on about four or five songs in their live set.
 
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It's all been said, but somehow bass can communicate the most important things in music! What's Goin' On by Marvin Gaye is about the most tasteful well known bass track I can come up with.
 
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M564038 wrote:
Basses has 4 strings.


You may not know this, but if you play the middle 4 strings on a 6-string bass, they're the same strings as on a 4-string bass!

That's just a hint for whenever it is you decide to expand your counting vocabulary beyond the number 4.

M564038 wrote:
Those were just octaves. More or less just an effect.


Having an extra lower or higher string is more or less just an effect. A rich man's whammy pedal, or pitch shifter, or octave pedal.

I've always found it a strange hill to die on, maintaining that basses have 4 strings. What a limiting viewpoint with no logical basis.
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M564038 wrote:
Those were just octaves. More or less just an effect. A rich man’s chorus. Doesn’t count.
Basses has 4 strings.

ER757 wrote:
vikkyvik wrote:

It's OK, I understand and accept that most bassists can't count to 5.

But trust me, there's a whole world of numbers out there when you get past 4!

I agree - heck, way back in 1977, John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin played an 8-string bass on about four or five songs in their live set.

?????? - Strings are strings. So a 12-string guitar isn't a 12-string guitar then? Sorry, I have to disagree
 
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Well, the reason for saying that a bass has 4 strings is pretty simple.

Almost every worthwhile bass-player, the phanteon of great bass-lines, all the best pocket-players, all the best counterpoint bass-lines are done on/utilize 4-string basses.
As a music producer, if a Bassplayer walks in the studio door with 5 or 6 strings on his bass, I know there is a very high likely hood of bad tone, bad groove and a lot of editing.
A bass is BASS, not Sub-bass or a tenor. Great, busy players think simple and effective and don't spend the extra $ or weight or complexity of an intrument with a range that they aren't going to use.


vikkyvik wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Basses has 4 strings.


You may not know this, but if you play the middle 4 strings on a 6-string bass, they're the same strings as on a 4-string bass!

That's just a hint for whenever it is you decide to expand your counting vocabulary beyond the number 4.

M564038 wrote:
Those were just octaves. More or less just an effect.


Having an extra lower or higher string is more or less just an effect. A rich man's whammy pedal, or pitch shifter, or octave pedal.

I've always found it a strange hill to die on, maintaining that basses have 4 strings. What a limiting viewpoint with no logical basis.
 
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The extra strings doesn't change the range of the instrument, it just modifies the timbre.
ER757 wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Those were just octaves. More or less just an effect. A rich man’s chorus. Doesn’t count.
Basses has 4 strings.

ER757 wrote:
I agree - heck, way back in 1977, John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin played an 8-string bass on about four or five songs in their live set.

?????? - Strings are strings. So a 12-string guitar isn't a 12-string guitar then? Sorry, I have to disagree
 
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M564038 wrote:
The extra strings doesn't change the range of the instrument, it just modifies the timbre.

I am confused. The fifth string on a five -string bass extends the instrument's lower range to a low-B.

M564038 wrote:
As a music producer, if a Bassplayer walks in the studio door with 5 or 6 strings on his bass, I know there is a very high likely hood of bad tone, bad groove and a lot of editing.
A bass is BASS, not Sub-bass or a tenor. Great, busy players think simple and effective and don't spend the extra $ or weight or complexity of an intrument with a range that they aren't going to.

I understand what you mean and I agree. I posted a Pino Palladino song above and it’s nice but I cannot stand it if you would hear so much bass on each and every song. In other words: I hate it when the bass player tries to „hijack“ the song.
 
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M564038 wrote:
Well, the reason for saying that a bass has 4 strings is pretty simple.

Almost every worthwhile bass-player, the phanteon of great bass-lines, all the best pocket-players, all the best counterpoint bass-lines are done on/utilize 4-string basses.
As a music producer, if a Bassplayer walks in the studio door with 5 or 6 strings on his bass, I know there is a very high likely hood of bad tone, bad groove and a lot of editing.
A bass is BASS, not Sub-bass or a tenor. Great, busy players think simple and effective and don't spend the extra $ or weight or complexity of an intrument with a range that they aren't going to use.


OK, I get it. Seems your issue is with bassISTS, not bassES.

Glad that's been cleared up.

N14AZ wrote:
I understand what you mean and I agree. I posted a Pino Palladino song above and it’s nice but I cannot stand it if you would hear so much bass on each and every song. In other words: I hate it when the bass player tries to „hijack“ the song.


Some songs call for a lot of bass, and some don't. Same with guitar, drums, vocals, etc.
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Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:52 pm

Oh no! I do NOT have an issue with bassists. I have an issue with fascists.

vikkyvik wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Well, the reason for saying that a bass has 4 strings is pretty simple.

Almost every worthwhile bass-player, the phanteon of great bass-lines, all the best pocket-players, all the best counterpoint bass-lines are done on/utilize 4-string basses.
As a music producer, if a Bassplayer walks in the studio door with 5 or 6 strings on his bass, I know there is a very high likely hood of bad tone, bad groove and a lot of editing.
A bass is BASS, not Sub-bass or a tenor. Great, busy players think simple and effective and don't spend the extra $ or weight or complexity of an intrument with a range that they aren't going to use.


OK, I get it. Seems your issue is with bassISTS, not bassES.

Glad that's been cleared up.

N14AZ wrote:
I understand what you mean and I agree. I posted a Pino Palladino song above and it’s nice but I cannot stand it if you would hear so much bass on each and every song. In other words: I hate it when the bass player tries to „hijack“ the song.


Some songs call for a lot of bass, and some don't. Same with guitar, drums, vocals, etc.

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