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Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:15 am

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/10315079 ... le-hearing

Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian immigrant who was convicted of assassinating Sen Robert Kennedy, the then Dem Presidential nominee in 1968, has been granted parole after 50+ years in prison. The matter still needs to be reviewed by the Governor for final release.

There are theories that suggest a possible 2nd shooter, and Sirhan Sirhan himself may not have actually shot the deadly bullet. I will leave it to those who know more to comment on the efficacy of those theories.

Am I the only one who thinks it would be more humane to keep him in prison? Regardless of his actual guilt, he's been in jail for over 50 years, there's no way he'll be able to adapt and function in normal society, and I wouldn't be surprised if he will be dead in 6 months (suicide a likely candidate here). I think if someone is sentenced to more than 20 years, you might as well go ahead and make it a life sentence....there's just so little chance for successful societal reintegration. Of course I could go on a whole spiel about what's wrong with our current crime and punishment system, but I will just keep this thread about Sirhan Sirhan himself.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:08 am

LittleFokker wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031507957/sirhan-sirhan-robert-f-kennedy-parole-hearing

Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian immigrant who was convicted of assassinating Sen Robert Kennedy, the then Dem Presidential nominee in 1968, has been granted parole after 50+ years in prison. The matter still needs to be reviewed by the Governor for final release.

There are theories that suggest a possible 2nd shooter, and Sirhan Sirhan himself may not have actually shot the deadly bullet. I will leave it to those who know more to comment on the efficacy of those theories.

Am I the only one who thinks it would be more humane to keep him in prison? Regardless of his actual guilt, he's been in jail for over 50 years, there's no way he'll be able to adapt and function in normal society, and I wouldn't be surprised if he will be dead in 6 months (suicide a likely candidate here). I think if someone is sentenced to more than 20 years, you might as well go ahead and make it a life sentence....there's just so little chance for successful societal reintegration. Of course I could go on a whole spiel about what's wrong with our current crime and punishment system, but I will just keep this thread about Sirhan Sirhan himself.


This is the whole argument for the death penalty. Because life in prison isn't life in prison. This guy escaped the death penalty I am fine with that BUT that is on the condition you never see the light of day .
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:12 am

LittleFokker wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks it would be more humane to keep him in prison? Regardless of his actual guilt, he's been in jail for over 50 years, there's no way he'll be able to adapt and function in normal society, and I wouldn't be surprised if he will be dead in 6 months (suicide a likely candidate here). I think if someone is sentenced to more than 20 years, you might as well go ahead and make it a life sentence....there's just so little chance for successful societal reintegration. Of course I could go on a whole spiel about what's wrong with our current crime and punishment system, but I will just keep this thread about Sirhan Sirhan himself.


'Brooks was here' - Stephen King, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:34 am

Stratosphere wrote:
This is the whole argument for the death penalty. Because life in prison isn't life in prison. This guy escaped the death penalty I am fine with that BUT that is on the condition you never see the light of day .


I think it's an argument for doing away with sentences longer than 20 years. Prison should not just be revenge porn (which is also all that the death penalty is), it should also be about preventing repeat offenses. Our current system doesn't even try any more to give felons an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of another chance. Our jail population is more than 50% nonviolent drug offenders, and the privatization of some prisons just cripples the corrections part of it. I know there is an argument for the worst of the worst getting life sentences, but I believe that comes from lazy, Neanderthal mentality that is not interested in investing in people.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:04 am

If California had kept the death penalty this guy would have been buried deals ago. With the elimination of executions Sirhan has been a bit of a problem for the state. No one would want to parole him after a tradition term of 7 or 10 years.

The issue today will be how will he be supported? Does he qualify for Medicare/Medicaid? Will there be sufficient family funds to support and feed him. I'm also 77 and I see Medicare EOBs for cancer now in the $30K and $50K range each month. Best for everyone would be to expel him back home and lt them take care of him.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:14 am

I am old enough to remember hearing of Robert F. Kennedy's death being announced on TV, that of Martin Luther King a little over a month before, as well as the assassination of JFK a few years before. I hope the parole board will deny releasing him. He murdered RFK in cold blood for no good reason. His murdering RFK deeply affected history. Perhaps if chosen as the Democratic Party candidate vs. Nixon, RFK might have been President and a lot of things might be different today. This link is of the story of the kitchen busboy that met RFK the night before and held him as died. To me it shows better than I can of the meaning of RFK's life and affect he had on a typical person and our country. https://people.com/politics/busboy-crad ... l-moments/
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:22 am

Ken777 wrote:
If California had kept the death penalty this guy would have been buried deals ago. With the elimination of executions Sirhan has been a bit of a problem for the state. No one would want to parole him after a tradition term of 7 or 10 years.

The issue today will be how will he be supported? Does he qualify for Medicare/Medicaid? Will there be sufficient family funds to support and feed him. I'm also 77 and I see Medicare EOBs for cancer now in the $30K and $50K range each month. Best for everyone would be to expel him back home and lt them take care of him.


Sirhan didn't face the death penalty as the California Supreme court then the US Supreme Court ruled a few year later that the procedures were unconstitutional. By the later 70's the US Supreme Court allowed reinstatement of the Death Penalty but requiring states and the Federal government to have a bifurcated procedure, one for conviction and another hearing as to the sentence.
He will be living with a brother and his family after a transition of about 6 months. By the way, Sirhan was born in Palestine and is of Christian, not Muslim faith.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/27/us/sirha ... index.html
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:37 am

ltbewr wrote:
I am old enough to remember hearing of Robert F. Kennedy's death being announced on TV, that of Martin Luther King a little over a month before, as well as the assassination of JFK a few years before. I hope the parole board will deny releasing him. He murdered RFK in cold blood for no good reason. His murdering RFK deeply affected history. Perhaps if chosen as the Democratic Party candidate vs. Nixon, RFK might have been President and a lot of things might be different today. This link is of the story of the kitchen busboy that met RFK the night before and held him as died. To me it shows better than I can of the meaning of RFK's life and affect he had on a typical person and our country. https://people.com/politics/busboy-crad ... l-moments/

We can't judge past actions based on then-unforeseen results which is our history today. Executing Sirhan Sirhan for the way America turned out today doesn't make any sense in the time he was convicted.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:53 am

TWA772LR wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I am old enough to remember hearing of Robert F. Kennedy's death being announced on TV, that of Martin Luther King a little over a month before, as well as the assassination of JFK a few years before. I hope the parole board will deny releasing him. He murdered RFK in cold blood for no good reason. His murdering RFK deeply affected history. Perhaps if chosen as the Democratic Party candidate vs. Nixon, RFK might have been President and a lot of things might be different today. This link is of the story of the kitchen busboy that met RFK the night before and held him as died. To me it shows better than I can of the meaning of RFK's life and affect he had on a typical person and our country. https://people.com/politics/busboy-crad ... l-moments/

We can't judge past actions based on then-unforeseen results which is our history today. Executing Sirhan Sirhan for the way America turned out today doesn't make any sense in the time he was convicted.


But it sounds like a good plot for a sci-fi time-travel film. Go back and keep changing the past till you get the present you want. :spin:
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:14 am

scbriml wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I am old enough to remember hearing of Robert F. Kennedy's death being announced on TV, that of Martin Luther King a little over a month before, as well as the assassination of JFK a few years before. I hope the parole board will deny releasing him. He murdered RFK in cold blood for no good reason. His murdering RFK deeply affected history. Perhaps if chosen as the Democratic Party candidate vs. Nixon, RFK might have been President and a lot of things might be different today. This link is of the story of the kitchen busboy that met RFK the night before and held him as died. To me it shows better than I can of the meaning of RFK's life and affect he had on a typical person and our country. https://people.com/politics/busboy-crad ... l-moments/

We can't judge past actions based on then-unforeseen results which is our history today. Executing Sirhan Sirhan for the way America turned out today doesn't make any sense in the time he was convicted.


But it sounds like a good plot for a sci-fi time-travel film. Go back and keep changing the past till you get the present you want. :spin:

Watch Butterfly Effect ;)
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:09 pm

Ethel Kennedy: RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan shouldn’t be freed

https://apnews.com/article/california-e ... 548093f3ff

Ethel Kennedy, the wife of the late Robert F. Kennedy, says assassin Sirhan Sirhan should not be released from prison, further roiling a family divide over whether the man convicted of killing her husband in California in 1968 should be freed on parole.

In a brief statement released on Twitter by her daughter, lawyer and activist Kerry Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy said bluntly Tuesday: “He should not be paroled.”


I'd feel better if Sirhan stayed in jail. He should have been executed for the 1st Degree Assassination.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:29 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Ethel Kennedy: RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan shouldn’t be freed

https://apnews.com/article/california-e ... 548093f3ff

Ethel Kennedy, the wife of the late Robert F. Kennedy, says assassin Sirhan Sirhan should not be released from prison, further roiling a family divide over whether the man convicted of killing her husband in California in 1968 should be freed on parole.

In a brief statement released on Twitter by her daughter, lawyer and activist Kerry Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy said bluntly Tuesday: “He should not be paroled.”


I'd feel better if Sirhan stayed in jail. He should have been executed for the 1st Degree Assassination.


Kennedy is long dead, keeping Sirhan in prison is pointless. I have no issue with the death penalty, it should be used more often, it’s far more human in my opinion than giving people multiple life sentences.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:35 pm

Sirhan Sirhan is now 77 years old. Statistics overwhelmingly indicate that violent crime is very rarely committed by people his age. There's really no point in keeping him (or anyone in their 70s or 80s) locked up anymore.
 
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Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:30 pm

I think that what Robert's wife wants trumps what the children want.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:54 pm

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I think that what Robert's wife wants trumps what the children want.


The law and due process trumps what anyone else wants.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:10 pm

Nothing prevents recidivism quite like the death penalty. That said, probably not much point in keeping inside. I think Dick Crafts of “chipper fame” was released this at the end of his full term.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:23 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
I think that what Robert's wife wants trumps what the children want.


Do you have the same view when family members oppose death penalty for heinous crimes?
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:08 am

It’s the “state’s” call, not the family’s, that is the crime is against the state (established order, if you will); not the family. Nice thought from them, but not dispositive, nor should it be. Unless, of course, you want rule by vendetta.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:25 am

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It’s the “state’s” call, not the family’s, that is the crime is against the state (established order, if you will); not the family. Nice thought from them, but not dispositive, nor should it be. Unless, of course, you want rule by vendetta.


Exactly - that’s where it ends.
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:32 pm

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Nothing prevents recidivism quite like the death penalty.


Sure. It's just annoying that so many death-row inmates have been subsequently proven to be innocent of the crimes of which they were convicted. One is too many, no?
 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan granted parole

Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:20 pm

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Nothing prevents recidivism quite like the death penalty.


Nothing prevents actually-innocent people from being exonerated quite like the death penalty.

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