Virtual737 wrote:AirWorthy99 wrote:For the child, no due process at all for an innocent, who hasn't done no wrong to anyone.
That's an interesting point though. The fetus, until something like mid-term, is not sentient. It has no ability to even think, let alone act, so there is no concept of it having done anything, let alone something right or wrong. The fetus is also dependent on the mother who now has less rights than she had before, rightly or wrongly.
The death penalty is absolute and final. There is and can never be any recourse for a mistake. For that reason alone I am against it, although some people are truly evil and fully deserve it.
Nobody ever "knew" a fetus. Nobody other than the mother ever really interacted with it. It has no impact on the wider world. It's passing would have zero impact on anyone at all outside the family. The same cannot be said of, say, even an 8 month old baby.
So my question is, if a fetus has no consciousness, no ability to think, act or do, why do you think it has the same rights as a fully developed child? If the fetus is still at a stage where there is no concept of pain (and how can there be pain if there is no consciousness?) then where is the wrong in termination? If the answer is because all human life is sacred, then the death penalty is wrong for the same reason.
If you had kids like I had, and see them when you go to the obstetrician weeks on my wife's womb, you might just believe the contrary. Aside from the religious, scientific arguments.
To me, who have experienced this 3 times already, that's life. Now I am not going to impose my beliefs on you, that would be authoritative, I am just letting you know what I believe based on my own personal feelings.
About sentient, well, like I mentioned before, according to this, all people in a coma should be disconnected, their lives can be over without them suffering or even knowing it ends. Not getting into the argument that all live is sacred, that's a religious argument.
What I ask is, if tomorrow you get into a car accident, and you are in a coma for weeks, not awake, nothing, would you like for your family to disconnect you and not see if you would wake up?
Thousands if not millions of people have woken up, to live a great life after being in a coma. The 'fetus' or baby won't ever have the same chance, we are already deciding that it should end, no matter what.