Will Scott Morrison be re-elected?

UAUA · Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:21 am

The next federal election will be in 2022 right?

Will Scott Morrison be re-elected? Seems that he is very good.

flyboysp · Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:11 pm

UAUA wrote:
The next federal election will be in 2022 right?

Will Scott Morrison be re-elected? Seems that he is very good.

That's correct. I believe it will need to be held by September 3.

What have you seen that makes you think that he is good? I'm not challenging you, just wanting to get a better understand of your view. Personally I don't want Scott Morrison and the Liberal-National Coalition to be re-elected but have a feeling they will be returned.

Electra · Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:57 pm

The next federal election needs to be held before or on 21 May 2022.
As to Scott Morrison’s re-election as Prime Minister*, I would say it is unlikely.

His handling of the pandemic, in particular the vaccine rollout, and his inaction over allegations of sexual misconduct in his party have negatively affected his public perception.
Even pre-pandemic, his party (actually a coalition of two parties) only held government by a small majority; 8 seats ahead of the Labor Party and only one seat away from being a minority government.
Given he was already viewed as particularly non-memorable PM who was never really able to identify with a lot of the population (and vice-versa), his perceived mis-handlings only serve to see him lose support, not gain it.

*Scott Morrison could very well be re-elected as a Member of Parliament if the voters in his own electorate vote that way, but without a Liberal-National victory (unlikely), he won’t be Prime Minister.

Dutchy · Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:23 pm

Sorry, had to look up who he was. He seems to be Prime Minister of Australia. Since I am not a close follower of Australian politics, can't follow everything ;-)

, I dug a little deeper, so he is pro-coal and anti-climate action. So I hope he will not be elected for the sake of our world.

source: Sidney Mornning Herrold

That is just sad theatrics.

edit: added a picture

Toenga · Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:57 pm

I think he is extremly popular with well off white middle aged males with small government, low tax policies, and very close alignment to the conservative governments and attitudes of the US and Britain, including their very hard lines on immigration. An attitude that the natural world order is leadership from the Anglosphere is right and proper.
This support should remain robust bolstered by the AUKUS deal.
The dominance of the conservative Murdoch empire in Australia remains, lending him crucial support
Chauvinism may loose him some female vote though.
Attitudes on climate change and other environmental and equity issues will loose him support amongst younger voters.
Alignment with the NSW premier, and the bulk of the media, in unwarranted denigrating the Labour led states in their covid responses, especially in light of the current NSW covid situation will undoubtably loose him support in Victoria, WA, and QLD.
The vaccine rollout and vaccine allocation debacles likewise will cost him votes.
Ongoing and very serious corruption allegations against many prominent government politicians will cost him votes amongst those have a more idealistic stance, perhaps the young and women generally.
There is some unease with the PM's heavy involvement with the heavily US influenced very conservative Pentecostal Christian movement.
It will be an interesting election no doubt. A bit of a Narnia moment perhaps.
Those are purely personal observations.

johns624 · Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:02 pm

Not if the French have any say in it!

PS--Stay off of boats until after the election...

Kent350787 · Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:44 am

UAUA wrote:
The next federal election will be in 2022 right?

Will Scott Morrison be re-elected? Seems that he is very good.

Surely this is trolling. Morrison is empirically our worst PM since Billy McMahon. His most recent rating as preferred PM was 45% nationally, noticably higher amongst men than women. He has shown negligable eleadership during the pandemic, piled on his poor performance during the 2019-20 bushfires.

That said, Labor needs to pick up 2-3 seats in NSW and more in Qld to win. Qld is very interesting as the Labor state government has very strong support, but this doesn't consistently translate into Federal votes. Labor will have its eyes firmly fixed on Lindsay and Banks as likely gain in NSW, and it will be interesting to see how Hughes goes, and whether Clive Palmer's cash can retain it with Kelly.

I think Albanese has been overall solid during the pandemic, but far from outstanding for Labor. If Labor doesn't win, I'd expect one of the strong female MPs will replace him as leader.

sierrakilo44 · Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:34 am

Toenga wrote:
The dominance of the conservative Murdoch empire in Australia remains, lending him crucial support

That’s the one thing keeping him in his job. There were concerns with the Liberal National Coalition prior to the 2019 election, being incompetent, untrustworthy, leaderless, influenced by too many religious conservatives, harsh economic and social policies. But the right wing Murdoch media launched an all out assault on the opposition, basically claiming they would steal Australian’s retirement money and tax them to the eyeballs, and it worked.

Despite all the incompetence of his government’s handling of Covid, the vaccine rollout, bushfires, climate change, foreign affairs, trade, welfare policies, health, general corruption and an increasingly religious conservative government in a secular country, Morrison seems to be made of Teflon, and I believe that’s primarily down to 70% of Australian newspapers being owned by Rupert Murdoch, along with Sky News and a big internet and right wing talkback radio presence. They will do anything to keep their Liberal mates in power.

As much as issues like climate change and misogyny in government go, Australians vote primarily based on personal economic interest first. If the government puts out economic sweeteners prior to the election and has their media allies scaremonger that the opposition will increase taxes then expect a Coalition victory next year.

Kent350787 wrote:

I think Albanese has been overall solid during the pandemic, but far from outstanding for Labor. If Labor doesn't win, I'd expect one of the strong female MPs will replace him as leader.

I think the best PM would be Penny Wong. She’d need to move from the Senate to the House of Representatives to do it, but she has the characteristics to be a PM for Modern Australia. However with the latent anti-Asian racism underlying in our society, plus her status as a lesbian with IVF born children would enrage the conservative right and see them mount an offensive to keep her out of office.

UAUA · Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:43 am

Guess Liberal will be re-elected?

Kent350787 · Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:58 am

UAUA wrote:
Guess Liberal will be re-elected?

The Liberal-National Party coalition has bene a poor government for Australia, and Morrison a poor leader. The Liberal Party currently holds 60 seats, and their coalition partner 16. The Labor Party holds 68 seats.

A big factor that we know needs to be considered is the impact of the populist United Australia Party, which is even more Trumpist that the Liberal Party. It could be argued that the former treasurer of the Queensland LNP, alleged billionaire Clive Palmer, effectively spent $80 million to capture disaffected traditional Labor voter and funnel those votes to the LNP. There was almsot zero expectation that Labor would lose the last election, and most capable Liberal MPs retired on this expectation

The Liberal-National Party does not deserve to hold government, but there are forces which may see it do so.

Pi7472000 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:32 am

Does the Prime Minister in Australia have that much influence anyway? It seems the premiers have a lot more power during COVID. Interesting how states how so much power in Australia to make decisions. This really seems to divide the country.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/why-the ... 5863f.html

Kent350787 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:08 am

Pi7472000 wrote:
Does the Prime Minister in Australia have that much influence anyway? It seems the premiers have a lot more power during COVID. Interesting how states how so much power in Australia to make decisions. This really seems to divide the country.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/why-the ... 5863f.html

A significant frustration has been the lack of leadership from the Commonwealth, led by the PM. He has allowed the States to fight each other, rather than pushing for a national positoin that is dependable. The Commonwealth Govt has also been the purchaser for all our vaccines, and has used an opaque model for distribution which has failed to recognise the skills and knowledge of the states - who actually deliver health programs on a day to day basis.

All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

A101 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:41 pm

Kent350787 wrote:

All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

And as was the NSW Minister for emergency services David Elliot and along with the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk both were on holidays at the time

You can hardly blame them as the bushfires are an annual thing in Australia, this one just caught them out for being larger than normal and only increased in intensity whilst they were on annual leave

cpd · Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:51 pm

A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

And as was the NSW Minister for emergency services David Elliot and along with the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk both were on holidays at the time

You can hardly blame them as the bushfires are an annual thing in Australia, this one just caught them out for being larger than normal and only increased in intensity whilst they were on annual leave

How can you be caught out by bushfires? They happen annually so it should be easy enough to be prepared for it.

Especially by bringing in adequate equipment needed just in case.

If you can get a lump of coal and bring it into parliament then surely being prepared for bushfire season should be within the capabilities of our highly paid leadership.

Kent350787 · Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:56 pm

cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

And as was the NSW Minister for emergency services David Elliot and along with the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk both were on holidays at the time

You can hardly blame them as the bushfires are an annual thing in Australia, this one just caught them out for being larger than normal and only increased in intensity whilst they were on annual leave

How can you be caught out by bushfires? They happen annually so it should be easy enough to be prepared for it.

Especially by bringing in adequate equipment needed just in case.

If you can get a lump of coal and bring it into parliament then surely being prepared for bushfire season should be within the capabilities of our highly paid leadership.

I stand by my earlier statement that Morrison is our worst "leader" since Billy McMahon.

A101 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:05 am

cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

And as was the NSW Minister for emergency services David Elliot and along with the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk both were on holidays at the time

You can hardly blame them as the bushfires are an annual thing in Australia, this one just caught them out for being larger than normal and only increased in intensity whilst they were on annual leave

How can you be caught out by bushfires? They happen annually so it should be easy enough to be prepared for it.

Especially by bringing in adequate equipment needed just in case.

If you can get a lump of coal and bring it into parliament then surely being prepared for bushfire season should be within the capabilities of our highly paid leadership.

State responsibility, never heard of a state premier hand the reins over to their federal counterpart

A101 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:08 am

Kent350787 wrote:
cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:

And as was the NSW Minister for emergency services David Elliot and along with the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk both were on holidays at the time

You can hardly blame them as the bushfires are an annual thing in Australia, this one just caught them out for being larger than normal and only increased in intensity whilst they were on annual leave

How can you be caught out by bushfires? They happen annually so it should be easy enough to be prepared for it.

Especially by bringing in adequate equipment needed just in case.

If you can get a lump of coal and bring it into parliament then surely being prepared for bushfire season should be within the capabilities of our highly paid leadership.

I stand by my earlier statement that Morrison is our worst "leader" since Billy McMahon.

Very subjective that comes down to the individual on what makes or not make a good PM, I would place Gillard /Rudd way up that totem pole as well

Kent350787 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:52 am

A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
cpd wrote:

How can you be caught out by bushfires? They happen annually so it should be easy enough to be prepared for it.

Especially by bringing in adequate equipment needed just in case.

If you can get a lump of coal and bring it into parliament then surely being prepared for bushfire season should be within the capabilities of our highly paid leadership.

I stand by my earlier statement that Morrison is our worst "leader" since Billy McMahon.

Very subjective that comes down to the individual on what makes or not make a good PM, I would place Gillard /Rudd way up that totem pole as well

I said leader, rather than PM, although I'd probably rate him similar across a range of objective measures of public adminsitration. Both Rudd and Gillard showed leadership. I absolutely disagreed with most of Howard's policies apart from gun control, but he still showed leadership. Similar with Fraser, who charted a firm post-Whitlam course, even though Hawke and Keating had to undo a range of it.

Morrison is a follower who has appeared to do everything within his power to avoid responsibility while trying to tak ecredit for the success of others.

A101 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:05 am

Kent350787 wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

I stand by my earlier statement that Morrison is our worst "leader" since Billy McMahon.

Very subjective that comes down to the individual on what makes or not make a good PM, I would place Gillard /Rudd way up that totem pole as well

I said leader, rather than PM, although I'd probably rate him similar across a range of objective measures of public adminsitration. Both Rudd and Gillard showed leadership. I absolutely disagreed with most of Howard's policies apart from gun control, but he still showed leadership. Similar with Fraser, who charted a firm post-Whitlam course, even though Hawke and Keating had to undo a range of it.

Morrison is a follower who has appeared to do everything within his power to avoid responsibility while trying to tak ecredit for the success of others.

Well since you mentioned two names and both were leaders of their respective political parties and by chance both were sitting Prime Ministers of Australia, one would infer leader to mean Prime Minister, if not you should have been more specific to whom one was leading what.

I think some leaders of the opposition party would have made great Prime Minister, Kim "Bomber" Beazley

But to be fair I would say the greatest Australian PM would have been John Curtin, not saying he was the smartest Prime Minister, but the most smartest leader of the time

A101 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:48 am

Pi7472000 wrote:
Does the Prime Minister in Australia have that much influence anyway? It seems the premiers have a lot more power during COVID. Interesting how states how so much power in Australia to make decisions. This really seems to divide the country.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/why-the ... 5863f.html

Of course the state premiers have more power as health is a state mandate matter constitutionally

this link gives an overview on the roles of each branch of Government in Australia

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about ... ate-a.aspx

Also it was only in 1986 that the UK parliament no longer could pass state legislation under the Australia Act

alanb976 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:30 am

I think all Australians could do with some education on the responsibilities of the federal and state governments. I also think we would do better with clearer delineation between what is the responsibility of each level of government. Give states total responsibility for school age education, health and childcare.

I think we last had a good federal government with the 2nd term of the Howard government. Their last term seemed to be when the rot set in

From the start of the Hawke government till then I think we were fairly well served by our federal governments.

The next federal election is still up for grabs. A lot can change in 6 months.

737307 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:53 pm

Morrison will be reelected if the Grand Australian Stockholm Syndrome Experiment has come to a positive conclusion. If not, then not.

A101 · Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:39 pm

alanb976 wrote:
I think all Australians could do with some education on the responsibilities of the federal and state governments. I also think we would do better with clearer delineation between what is the responsibility of each level of government. Give states total responsibility for school age education, health and childcare.

I think we last had a good federal government with the 2nd term of the Howard government. Their last term seemed to be when the rot set in From the start of the Hawke government till then I think we were fairly well served by our federal governments.

The next federal election is still up for grabs. A lot can change in 6 months.

I think we’re the lines get blurred is when federal funding comes in it, because that funding will come with conditions attached that they would like to see which may conflict with the state and any perceived bias if for say it’s is as now a Lib/Nat Government and the state such as Victoria/Queensland is ALP, politics is all about point scoring at domestic consumption level

You certainly see that during the covid crisis, they various state leaders have meetings and agree on a plan for then the state premier to do their own thing in regards to lockdowns

UAUA · Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:18 am

What's the approval rating for Scott Morrison now?

Well I think he's good

A101 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:41 am

UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for Scott Morrison now?

Well I think he's good

https://www.tab.com.au/sports/betting/P ... 20Election

hh65man · Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:28 am

I for one can’t wait for the election. Morrison has been terrible, I think Abbott was pretty poor too. With all the knifing in the back of sitting prime minister’s over the years I am fed up with how they gained the power to be PM. With Whats been mentioned so far up thread, plus the fiasco with same sex marriage debacle I’ve had enough with the Liberals. So Labour it’ll be, fingers be crossed….

A101 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:57 am

hh65man wrote:
I for one can’t wait for the election. Morrison has been terrible, I think Abbott was pretty poor too. With all the knifing in the back of sitting prime minister’s over the years I am fed up with how they gained the power to be PM. With Whats been mentioned so far up thread, plus the fiasco with same sex marriage debacle I’ve had enough with the Liberals. So Labour it’ll be, fingers be crossed….

And I imagine if the ALP get in Australia will be an economic basket case and forget about defence.

The last time the ALP were in not one combat ship was ordered

flyboysp · Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:03 pm

UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for Scott Morrison now?

Well I think he's good

What have you seen in your opinion that has made ScoMo good?

sierrakilo44 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:39 pm

A101 wrote:

And I imagine if the ALP get in Australia will be an economic basket case and forget about defence.

The last time the ALP were in not one combat ship was ordered

If there’s an everlasting myth in Australian politics is thats it’s the Liberals who are the better economic managers and the Labor party are hopeless.

Couldn’t be farther from the truth:

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/treasure ... -managers/

The debt has exploded under the Liberals, all they do is hand out taxpayer money to the donor class and the wealthy. It’s Robin Hood in reverse.

I seriously doubt the average Australian who’s been affected by the pandemic, lack of affordable housing, poor aged care system, rising student debt, lack of jobs or any other social issue could care less about how many combat ships Australia has. Australia needs to fix its trading relationship with it’s biggest trading partner, which the ALP has said they’ll do. The Liberals seem to want to pretend it’s 1941, without realising the loss of jobs in agriculture, tourism, manufacturing and mining that will flow from their position.

Scott Morrison’s government has been a disgrace from start to finish, its only because 70% of the media in Australia is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the other big media company is Nine, who’s chairman is the former Liberal party treasurer Peter Costello. They run puff PR pieces on Morrison and don’t really challenge him, yet Labor have any good policy of theirs torn to pieces. The media bias is incredible.

sierrakilo44 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:06 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

It should, but the Liberals are only a few points behind in the polls and Morrison is still the preferred PM over Albanese. Just.

Given the Liberal party has close ties to the two biggest media conglomerates in Australia they can push PR pieces dressed up as “News”.

For example on this week’s episode of Australian 60 Minutes they had Morrison and his wife on and portrayed him as a “normal Aussie bloke, a devoted dad who understands the struggles of the average Aussie battler every day. Supported by a kind and loving wife”. It was nausea inducing, it might as well have been a Liberal party advertisement. Not a single question about climate change, Bushfires, pandemic response, vaccines, quarantine, aged care, interstate bickering, debt, predators in his government, the infighting in his government, rorting of grants, LGBT rights, disability care, trade, foreign affairs, education, Heath or one of the other many things that Morrison’s government has screwed up.

Listen to what members of his own party and his Deputy think of him:

“He is a hypocrite and a liar....I have never trusted him, and I dislike how earnestly [he] rearranges the truth to a lie.”

Barnaby Joyce, Deputy PM.

“actively spreading lies.... he is just obsessed with petty political point scoring. A horrible, horrible person.... more concerned with politics than people,

Gladys Berejikian, former NSW Liberal Premier

a ‘fraud’ and ‘a complete psycho’.

Morrison Cabinet minister in conversation with Berejiklian

an "absolute arsehole,"

Former Liberal Minister Michael Keenan

menacing, controlling, a “bully boy"

Former Liberal party MP Julia Banks

hh65man · Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:00 pm

@SIERRAKILO44
RGR that, it’s hard to trust a person who stabbed the sitting Prime Minister in the back, while that sitting Prime Minister also stabbed the current sitting Prime Minister in the back…… get elected no problems, sink or float depends on how well you govern. Morrison has done a terrible job, full stop.
Personally I am all for Election reform. Truly believe a election should be held on a set date every four years. Not when the sitting government is popular in the poles. Like what’s been going on for too long.

cpd · Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:04 pm

UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for Scott Morrison now?

Well I think he's good

Problem is that he isn’t, he’s gone from one blunder to the next and the faceless men of the LNP will get rid of him. Barnaby Joyce even openly criticised him.

They’ve been there for too long and need a few terms in opposition to reform themselves into a viable party.

On many issues they seem to be on the wrong side of public opinion or they are playing catch-up.

At state level in NSW, the LNP just got belted in the by-elections on the weekend. That’s probably a combination of local and federal issues.

They will have to hope their friends in the media will re-elect them.

Kent350787 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:53 pm

cpd wrote:
UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for Scott Morrison now?

Well I think he's good

Problem is that he isn’t, he’s gone from one blunder to the next and the faceless men of the LNP will get rid of him. Barnaby Joyce even openly criticised him.

They’ve been there for too long and need a few terms in opposition to reform themselves into a viable party.

On many issues they seem to be on the wrong side of public opinion or they are playing catch-up.

At state level in NSW, the LNP just got belted in the by-elections on the weekend. That’s probably a combination of local and federal issues.

They will have to hope their friends in the media will re-elect them.

The NSW by-elections result at the weekend was primarily State issues. Bega was badly hit by the bushfires, and then their local MP bailing (was he resigning or switching to the federal parliament, who was sure?) didn't help at all. In Wiiloughby you'd lost the former MP and Premier to corruption allegations, and had a strong independent opposing a major road that will impact but not benfit the electorate. Jason Yat Sien Li is finally an MP, in a seat that didn't change hands, and neither did the final seat.

The attempt to humanise Morrison with the 60 Minutes interview last night was worse than pathetic. Leaking this ukelele playing and "singing" last week must have been a tactic to take the sting out of the stupid.

It will be interesting to see whether he is rolled in the next few weeks. With or without the worst PM since Billy McMahon, the only real hope for the Coalition is a big showing by the conspiracist United Australia Party channelling disaffected voters preferences back to the Libs or the Nats (or the LNP in Queensland)

sierrakilo44 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:19 pm

Kent350787 wrote:

The attempt to humanise Morrison with the 60 Minutes interview last night was worse than pathetic. Leaking this ukelele playing and "singing" last week must have been a tactic to take the sting out of the stupid.

That ukelele stunt was so bad it makes me wonder if his PR advisors are deliberately trying to lose? Did they not realise having him play a Hawaiian instrument would make people think of a certain Hawaiian holiday??

It will be interesting to see whether he is rolled in the next few weeks. With or without the worst PM since Billy McMahon, the only real hope for the Coalition is a big showing by the conspiracist United Australia Party channelling disaffected voters preferences back to the Libs or the Nats (or the LNP in Queensland)

Morrison changed the rules when he got into power to make a leadership spill vote a 2/3rds majority, which is rarely achieved therefore ensuring he remains in control.

The problem is the only competitor to Morrison is Peter Dutton. So the Liberals choose between a fundamentalist lying spin guru who can’t manage anything in a crisis, or a near fascist, racist dictator wannabe who wants a militarised police state and a war with China.

The UAP factor is a big one. Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly are running adverts non stop across TV and Internet. Although they didn’t win any seats in 2019 they managed to direct enough preferences away from Labor to deny them victory. Their goal is to prevent a Labor government first and foremost, and then pick up some seats to control the Senate crossbench, which would be disastrous.

Kent350787 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:27 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
The UAP factor is a big one. Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly are running adverts non stop across TV and Internet. Although they didn’t win any seats in 2019 they managed to direct enough preferences away from Labor to deny them victory. Their goal is to prevent a Labor government first and foremost, and then pick up some seats to control the Senate crossbench, which would be disastrous.

It's hard to find a word in the UAP advertising that isn't a lie, or at least a falshood, but there are certain type of people who'll fall for it. Palmer spent an estimated $80 million on his vanity party last election to shore up the Coalition.

sierrakilo44 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:44 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
They’ve been there for too long and need a few terms in opposition to reform themselves into a viable party.

They should have lost government after they rolled Turnbull. He was the leader they needed to drag them into the 21st century, an intelligent, articulate economic conservative but also a social liberal who knows climate change is a threat. Instead they get a collection of wannabe dictators, fundamentalist nutjobs, members bribed by the fossil fuel industry and old boy’s club ex private schoolboys.

There’s some who want to make the Liberals into a Trump like Republican Party, dominated by far right conspiracy theorists, extreme right economics, gutting of social services and extremely conservative social policies. This is egged on by the influential Sky News Australia commentators who are in the Liberal’s ear, the Australian Fox News. For instance while Covid has been spreading around the states, Vaccines and Rapid Antigen Tests have been in short supply and all the states have been fractured and sniping at each other, the Federal Government’s number one priority has been to pass a Bill that allows legalised discrimination against LGBT people, as long as the person doing so does it in the name of their religion. Religious business owners could fire gay staff, religious schools can expel trans kids, and so forth. Totally unacceptable in modern Australia yet it shows how much the religious right now dominates the Liberal party.

sierrakilo44 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:49 pm

Kent350787 wrote:

It's hard to find a word in the UAP advertising that isn't a lie, or at least a falshood, but there are certain type of people who'll fall for it. Palmer spent an estimated $80 million on his vanity party last election to shore up the Coalition.

Yeah, people forget it isn’t as much ALP vs Liberals, it’s really the ALP vs the Liberals, the Nationals, UAP, One Nation, a lot of conservative independents, about 90% of the media, all talkback radio, the only Pay TV news network, a lot of internet bots and shills, almost every major corporation and fossil fuel company. The only thing the ALP has are the unions but they have been weakened so much after years of Liberals destroying the IR system.

Kent350787 · Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:57 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

It's hard to find a word in the UAP advertising that isn't a lie, or at least a falshood, but there are certain type of people who'll fall for it. Palmer spent an estimated $80 million on his vanity party last election to shore up the Coalition.

Yeah, people forget it isn’t as much ALP vs Liberals, it’s really the ALP vs the Liberals, the Nationals, UAP, One Nation, a lot of conservative independents, about 90% of the media, all talkback radio, the only Pay TV news network, a lot of internet bots and shills, almost every major corporation and fossil fuel company. The only thing the ALP has are the unions but they have been weakened so much after years of Liberals destroying the IR system.

I think you've misquoted me there. In my adult life I've never once said a Coalition federal government is needed.

cpd · Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:41 am

Personally I think we need a totally new direction and not the same out policies and phony contrived outrages... I mean, the whole rubbish about oh she didn't smile when meeting the PM, well some guy previously didn't smile at an official event and where was the outrage then?

I want to see some infrastructure projects that actually benefit us and not the usual jobs for the boys stuff. Long term big projects that will change the way we live and get about. Not just the things that win the 24 hour news cycle.

And to flip things around, actually there are some reasonable people in the conservative political ranks with decent ideas, just as there are on the other side too. Just need to scrape away the barnacles.

sierrakilo44 · Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:15 am

cpd wrote:
And to flip things around, actually there are some reasonable people in the conservative political ranks with decent ideas, just as there are on the other side too. Just need to scrape away the barnacles.

Unfortunately now the barnacles are about 95% of the Liberal party ship. Turnbull could have been the modern reformer the Liberals needed, he was rolled on the orders of the coal industry. Julie Bishop, Julia Banks, Kelly O'Dwyer, Craig Laundy, Nicole Flint and Tony Smith are just some of the progressive liberals that could've truly reformed the party in the last few years who've left that ship, which is now dominated by religious extremists and climate deniers.

Listen to the former Liberal party leaders like John Hewson and Malcolm Fraser who spoke out against what the Liberal party has now become after they left office, condemnation about the turn of the party to the religious right, the unwavering support for US wars, the climate denial, the social conservatism.

SEAorPWM · Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:33 am

Toenga wrote:
I think he is extremly popular with well off white middle aged males with small government, low tax policies, and very close alignment to the conservative governments and attitudes of the US and Britain, including their very hard lines on immigration. An attitude that the natural world order is leadership from the Anglosphere is right and proper.
This support should remain robust bolstered by the AUKUS deal.
The dominance of the conservative Murdoch empire in Australia remains, lending him crucial support
Chauvinism may loose him some female vote though.
Attitudes on climate change and other environmental and equity issues will loose him support amongst younger voters.
Alignment with the NSW premier, and the bulk of the media, in unwarranted denigrating the Labour led states in their covid responses, especially in light of the current NSW covid situation will undoubtably loose him support in Victoria, WA, and QLD.
The vaccine rollout and vaccine allocation debacles likewise will cost him votes.
Ongoing and very serious corruption allegations against many prominent government politicians will cost him votes amongst those have a more idealistic stance, perhaps the young and women generally.
There is some unease with the PM's heavy involvement with the heavily US influenced very conservative Pentecostal Christian movement.
It will be an interesting election no doubt. A bit of a Narnia moment perhaps.
Those are purely personal observations.

I know the US Christo-fundie brigade has been manipulating politics in Uganda and Brazil in the last couple decades, but I didn't know they were doing things in Australia.

A101 · Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:06 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
A101 wrote:

And I imagine if the ALP get in Australia will be an economic basket case and forget about defence.

The last time the ALP were in not one combat ship was ordered

If there’s an everlasting myth in Australian politics is thats it’s the Liberals who are the better economic managers and the Labor party are hopeless.

Couldn’t be farther from the truth:

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/treasure ... -managers/

The debt has exploded under the Liberals, all they do is hand out taxpayer money to the donor class and the wealthy. It’s Robin Hood in reverse.

I seriously doubt the average Australian who’s been affected by the pandemic, lack of affordable housing, poor aged care system, rising student debt, lack of jobs or any other social issue could care less about how many combat ships Australia has. Australia needs to fix its trading relationship with it’s biggest trading partner, which the ALP has said they’ll do. The Liberals seem to want to pretend it’s 1941, without realising the loss of jobs in agriculture, tourism, manufacturing and mining that will flow from their position.

Scott Morrison’s government has been a disgrace from start to finish, its only because 70% of the media in Australia is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the other big media company is Nine, who’s chairman is the former Liberal party treasurer Peter Costello. They run puff PR pieces on Morrison and don’t really challenge him, yet Labor have any good policy of theirs torn to pieces. The media bias is incredible.

Do you really think either party have an answer otherwise we would all be living in utopia. Al those things you listed are actually state responsibility, but get federal funds to help

The only way to fix the trade relationship with PRC is to buckle under there way of roughshod over our economy. By the way who dosnt really look at history or the action of the PRC, threats to it’s near neighbourhood the illegal use of island and military expansion, it’s belt & road policy of crushing debt for smaller nations. The PRC use trade as a weapon

A101 · Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:10 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
All of this on the back of his family holiday to Hawaii during the 2019-20 bushfire crisis should bode poorly for reelection.

It should, but the Liberals are only a few points behind in the polls and Morrison is still the preferred PM over Albanese. Just.

Given the Liberal party has close ties to the two biggest media conglomerates in Australia they can push PR pieces dressed up as “News”.

For example on this week’s episode of Australian 60 Minutes they had Morrison and his wife on and portrayed him as a “normal Aussie bloke, a devoted dad who understands the struggles of the average Aussie battler every day. Supported by a kind and loving wife”. It was nausea inducing, it might as well have been a Liberal party advertisement. Not a single question about climate change, Bushfires, pandemic response, vaccines, quarantine, aged care, interstate bickering, debt, predators in his government, the infighting in his government, rorting of grants, LGBT rights, disability care, trade, foreign affairs, education, Heath or one of the other many things that Morrison’s government has screwed up.

Listen to what members of his own party and his Deputy think of him:

“He is a hypocrite and a liar....I have never trusted him, and I dislike how earnestly [he] rearranges the truth to a lie.”

Barnaby Joyce, Deputy PM.

“actively spreading lies.... he is just obsessed with petty political point scoring. A horrible, horrible person.... more concerned with politics than people,

Gladys Berejikian, former NSW Liberal Premier

a ‘fraud’ and ‘a complete psycho’.

Morrison Cabinet minister in conversation with Berejiklian

an "absolute arsehole,"

Former Liberal Minister Michael Keenan

menacing, controlling, a “bully boy"

Former Liberal party MP Julia Banks

And I reckon most people would say the same thing about there boss at work, if you really want to go down that road I imagine that there would be text and talk about Barnaby and Berejiklian by Christ it’s a way of life to slag off about your boss

A101 · Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:16 am

hh65man wrote:
@SIERRAKILO44

Personally I am all for Election reform. Truly believe a election should be held on a set date every four years. Not when the sitting government is popular in the poles. Like what’s been going on for too long.

Hell no, it should be the government that decides when they want to go the polls again, just look what happened with Brexit the government could not let the voters decide, but parliament forced the issue of a bad deal with the EU because of and idiotic rule all for a max term of 3-4 years then you have to go to the polls

eta unknown · Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:21 am

Wow I can't believe some of the drivel posted here. A few of you are trying to rewrite history- let's take a step back and remember some facts:
- Labor lost the last federal election because Shorten was unpopular and sold out his own union members in return for corporate bucks. Labor also wanted to overhaul the economic system- there were so many proposed changes that were badly articulated that their own support base voted against them. Labor also forgot they were running against Morrison- the campaign was more focused on Turnbull who was no longer leader.
- After Rudd-Gillard-Rudd & Turnbull-Abbott-Turnbull both parties changed their rules to stop the Italian style leadership spill embarrassments.

My 2 cents:
-Someone actually suggested Penny Wong would be a good PM?!? She's said too many controversial things in the past that can be used against her.
-Electoral reform is needed- term limits and set dates. Governments in power should not have the right to call early elections when they feel like it. Then again, it can backfire tremendously- remember Turnbull's double dissolution attempt- oopsies!!!
-Unfortunately Australian politics now is visionless- it's just one day-to-day attempt to control the media cycle. Newspolls are completely inaccurate, but politicians still govern by them.
-From a personality standpoint, I'd choose Albo over ScoMo any day- as to who will win- who knows!

Unfortunately, Australian politics (and a sizable chunk of the population) is best summed up by Donald Horne's famous quote: "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise."

UAUA · Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:35 am

If Labour wins, there is no chance he can become the prime Minister right?

Seems that Labour is winning

What are the polls now?

flyboysp · Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:16 pm

UAUA wrote:
If Labour wins, there is no chance he can become the prime Minister right?

Seems that Labour is winning

What are the polls now?

That's right. If Labor win the upcoming election, there is absolutely no chance of Scomo becoming/remaining PM.

As of March 13 on a 2 party preferred basis, 56-44 in Labor's favour.

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8917 ... 2203160002

Kent350787 · Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:31 pm

flyboysp wrote:
UAUA wrote:
If Labour wins, there is no chance he can become the prime Minister right?

Seems that Labour is winning

What are the polls now?

That's right. If Labor win the upcoming election, there is absolutely no chance of Scomo becoming/remaining PM.

As of March 13 on a 2 party preferred basis, 56-44 in Labor's favour.

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8917 ... 2203160002

Even if the Coalition comes back from its current position and wins, I don't expect Morrison will remain PM for long.

But each day that passes make a Coalition win less and less likely. Morrison is seeking to distance himself from the Coalition's SA state defeat in the same way he did from the NSW by-elections thrashing.

Toenga · Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:17 am

Basically the last couple of years everywhere have been unusually depressing and now with resurgent inflation adding to voters economic stress.
Covid has been extraordinarily challenging.
Australia has also been particularily badly hit by extreme weather and climate events.

And now we a very serious war going on with yet another serious humanitarian disaster.

So there is a general stress in our populations that is manifesting itself in a withdrawal of support for incumbent governments everywhere.

Not a good time to be faced with having to go to an election, especially when their performance has been as been as uneven as the Morrison lead coalition.

A government and leader, that has been extremely reluctant to concede the link between fossil fuel consumption and global warming.
A government and leader, that has proved incapable of effective and empathetic response to the major weather and climate events faced in it's current term.
A government and leader, that had to be dragged reluctantly by state premiers into a now largely successful covid response, but where the failures have concentrated in the areas of federal responsibility, aged care, and border control.

Aesma · Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:26 am

Here in France specialists are saying that the war has had a "flag effect" that explains Macron's gains in the polls. Granted, he was already given as the winner, but he went from 24-25% to 29-30% in the first round, and more than 60% in the second round.

However of course we're in Europe, Macron is very active in talks with the belligerents, etc. Australia is far away and Russia isn't exactly a main concern, although I guess it highlights the dangers of the relationship of the country with China.

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