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Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:12 am

Five people have been killed and two others seriously injured in a bow and arrows attack in Kongsberg, Norway.

It was reported the suspect began firing in a supermarket at around 6.30pm before heading out into the town and apparently firing at strangers.

Two other people were wounded and hospitalised in intensive care, including an officer who was off duty and inside the shop where the attack took place, police said.

Police said a 37-year-old Danish citizen, living in Kongsberg, has been charged and held in custody in Drammen on Wednesday night.

The police chief in the town of Kongsberg said there was “a confrontation” between officers and the assailant, but he did not elaborate.

“The man who carried out the act has been arrested by the police, and there is no active search for more people. Based on the information we have, there is one person behind this,” Police Chief Oeying Aas said.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-13/dea ... erg-norway

From the news on TV this morning the Danish citizen is suspected to be a former ISIL fighter returned from the Middle East. His weapon was a hunting bow.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:32 am

Sad, another tragedy. People are just going nuts these days.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:44 am

extender wrote:
Sad, another tragedy. People are just going nuts these days.


If he was a former ISIL fighter than he was already nuts for a long time, not 'going' nuts.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:51 am

Latest information suggests he started shooting people after the police failed to control him at first contact.

The crime scene is about 800 meters from Kongsberg defence HQ, home of the joint strike missile and other weaponry.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:09 pm

M564038 wrote:
Latest information suggests he started shooting people after the police failed to control him at first contact.

The crime scene is about 800 meters from Kongsberg defence HQ, home of the joint strike missile and other weaponry.


RIP for those who died. How tough are the gun laws in Norway?
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:35 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Latest information suggests he started shooting people after the police failed to control him at first contact.

The crime scene is about 800 meters from Kongsberg defence HQ, home of the joint strike missile and other weaponry.


RIP for those who died. How tough are the gun laws in Norway?
He didn't use a gun.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:58 pm

johns624 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Latest information suggests he started shooting people after the police failed to control him at first contact.

The crime scene is about 800 meters from Kongsberg defence HQ, home of the joint strike missile and other weaponry.


RIP for those who died. How tough are the gun laws in Norway?
He didn't use a gun.


My bad, I am just amazed he managed to kill so many people without using a gun. I thought the poster above said "shooting", so he might have used something else to shoot other than a gun.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:01 pm

The OP stated it was a bow. This is just another example that if you really want to kill people, you'll find a way. Whether a bow, a vehicle, a bomb, there's always a way.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:08 pm

Longbow, recurve or compound bow ?
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:13 pm

Why is he being referred to as a "Danish citizen"? Sure his mother is Danish, but his father is Norwegian and as far as I've read, he spent his whole life in Norway.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:23 pm

johns624 wrote:
... just another example that if you really want to kill people, you'll find a way.


This is the truth. The method used is the vehicle that carries out the madness out.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:18 pm

AirPacific747 wrote:
Why is he being referred to as a "Danish citizen"? Sure his mother is Danish, but his father is Norwegian and as far as I've read, he spent his whole life in Norway.


Danish passport holder? Perhaps dual citizenship?
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:21 pm

johns624 wrote:
The OP stated it was a bow. This is just another example that if you really want to kill people, you'll find a way. Whether a bow, a vehicle, a bomb, there's always a way.


Unfortunately yes. In an open and democratic society, like Norway, there always will be a way.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:38 pm

Dutchy wrote:
AirPacific747 wrote:
Why is he being referred to as a "Danish citizen"? Sure his mother is Danish, but his father is Norwegian and as far as I've read, he spent his whole life in Norway.


Danish passport holder? Perhaps dual citizenship?


Obviously.. but that is not what I'm on to. Just that he's specifically being referred to as a "Danish citizen" and not a Norwegian/Danish citizen.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:39 pm

Seems to be the full jackpot with this one. A terrorist attack by an incel, lone-wolf outsider, jihadi of scandinavian ethnicity with a history of psychiatry his whole grown up life. (Source: Norwegian media.)
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:40 pm

You can only(at least could only up until last year) be one of them. It is not significant.
AirPacific747 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
AirPacific747 wrote:
Why is he being referred to as a "Danish citizen"? Sure his mother is Danish, but his father is Norwegian and as far as I've read, he spent his whole life in Norway.


Danish passport holder? Perhaps dual citizenship?


Obviously.. but that is not what I'm on to. Just that he's specifically being referred to as a "Danish citizen" and not a Norwegian/Danish citizen.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:50 pm

I know those streets well. It is fall, dark and misty last night, people walking around by themselves in narrow streets as easy targets. It is the old mining part of town, lots of 17-19 century industrial wooden buildings on a slope towards the river with knolls and trees. The surface part of the norwegian mining museum is in that street. Hiding-places galore. Once you step out of the streelights you are invisible.
Sounds like a movie scene, but thats what that area is like.

This in a small town with probably 2 police officers on duty. It is going to take a few minute for the helicopter from oslo to get there. They had him in about 30 minutes if I understand it correctly. Doesn’t sound unreasonable to me.
AirWorthy99 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

RIP for those who died. How tough are the gun laws in Norway?
He didn't use a gun.


My bad, I am just amazed he managed to kill so many people without using a gun. I thought the poster above said "shooting", so he might have used something else to shoot other than a gun.
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:02 pm

Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm

Does as of last year, but yes, probably that is why he is danish in this case.

saleya22r wrote:
Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:28 pm

saleya22r wrote:
Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.


Yes it does, my children have all been dual Norwegian New Zealand citizens from birth. The oldest is 16.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:31 pm

Only because you didn’t inform Norway about their NZ citizenship. I know people that didn’t know it was illegal before and have had their passport confiscated and involuntary «returned» to their «real» country.
Allowed only from January 1st 2020.
Official source:

https://www.udi.no/ord-og-begreper/dobb ... orgerskap/

Kiwirob wrote:
saleya22r wrote:
Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.


Yes it does, my children have all been dual Norwegian New Zealand citizens from birth. The oldest is 16.
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:32 pm

Why Norway/Denmark doesn't put on trial its own citizens, known to be ISIS fighters?
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:37 pm

This one wasn’t one. He was a psychiatric patient that self-declared muslim in a 2017 video. He was also known for walking around mumbling racial slurs to himself, according to neighbours interviewed in the press today. He does seem like the kind of person that could’ve been easily recruited by any radical idea.
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Why Norway/Denmark doesn't put on trial its own citizens, known to be ISIS fighters?
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:41 pm

M564038 wrote:
Does as of last year, but yes, probably that is why he is danish in this case.

saleya22r wrote:
Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.


I stand corrected. I lived there 1996-2013 when it wasn't possible, and most Scandinavians probably want to keep their original citizenship anyway.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:43 pm

Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:06 pm

Denmark would be better served following the US approach encouraging all people to never go shopping, dining or worshipping without their bows locked and at the ready. I’ve been there and all the cyclists, cleanliness and socialist medical schemes were petrifying. After 3 days in Copenhagen i started feeling a sense of serenity and happiness. I cut my trip short and hurried back home. Nothing keeps you on your toes like your hometown murder rate. ‘Murica baby.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:07 pm

He visited a mosque 2 or 3 times in 2017, they haven’t seen him since and noted he didn’t know how to pray.
He was a paranoid- schizofrenic, arrested several times for threats against his parents, commited to mental care numerous times, never held a job and lived off of welfare for his entire adult life due to his psychiological illness. He was known to be walking around muttering racial slurs towards neighbours with different erhnic backgrounds.

There is a lot to be said about political islam, but it is a stretch to blame this entirely on that religion.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:56 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

Actually, you loose an arrow.

The perpetrator let loose his arrows at his victims.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:11 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


5 people killed by a bow in this case

60 people killed and 411 injured by a single gunman in Las Vegas

Yea, pretty much the same thing
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:19 pm

Or his fellow crazy countryman 5 years his senior, Anders Breivik killing 69 with guns only 50km away in 2011. Better start profiling for Eastern Norwegian men born between 1975 and 1985, as we gotta be pretty high on the terrorist per capita list!

FGITD wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


5 people killed by a bow in this case

60 people killed and 411 injured by a single gunman in Las Vegas

Yea, pretty much the same thing
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm

FGITD wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


5 people killed by a bow in this case

60 people killed and 411 injured by a single gunman in Las Vegas

Yea, pretty much the same thing


US has 60 times the population, which is the equivalent of 300 killed in the US. Darn tough with a bow. No, not a serious argument.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:16 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


Well in this case, this qualifies as a 'mass shooting'. Since it killed 5 people and shot with an arrow. I guess we can now all agree, you don't need a gun or an assault rifle to do a 'mass shooting'.

Unfortunately, those who want to kill, will, no matter if there are too many guns or not. This is an example of that.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:54 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


Well in this case, this qualifies as a 'mass shooting'. Since it killed 5 people and shot with an arrow. I guess we can now all agree, you don't need a gun or an assault rifle to do a 'mass shooting'.

Unfortunately, those who want to kill, will, no matter if there are too many guns or not. This is an example of that.

Oh, I am positive he would have been far more successful and achieved more "mass" had been armed with a gun.

Tugg
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:57 pm

Norway has very low homicide rates. Not having an active self-defence gun culture plays an important part in that. There are very few guns out on the streets.
Police is not even armed, usually, and that gives «the bad guys» a lot less incentive to carry firearms. As a result. Crime involving death is rare.
However, lots of people do have guns.
Hunting is big. The army reserves in many cases have guns at home. We have 0.3 firearms per capita. Far away from the US 1.2, but still very high on the world ranking.
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.
AirWorthy99 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

It's time for Common Sense High Capacity bow regulation now.

End Bow Violence Now!


Well in this case, this qualifies as a 'mass shooting'. Since it killed 5 people and shot with an arrow. I guess we can now all agree, you don't need a gun or an assault rifle to do a 'mass shooting'.

Unfortunately, those who want to kill, will, no matter if there are too many guns or not. This is an example of that.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:03 pm

M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:24 pm

johns624 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Latest information suggests he started shooting people after the police failed to control him at first contact.

The crime scene is about 800 meters from Kongsberg defence HQ, home of the joint strike missile and other weaponry.


RIP for those who died. How tough are the gun laws in Norway?
He didn't use a gun.


Wow the knee jerking going on. Read the article.
 
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:31 pm

wingman wrote:
M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.
Don't be so smug. Your alcoholism rates are higher than ours, especially among females. All is not happy in the Nordic paradises...
 
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:37 pm

Indeed. The free education and healthcare, kindergarden as a right for all children, the 9 weeks vacation, paid paternity leave, clean air, low crime- and homicide rates, entrepeneur and innovation-friendly business policies is like a chain holding me down! I am so sick and tired of things being like this, man! I have to leave my guns at home??
wingman wrote:
M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:38 pm

This thread is how I know European countries gun control works.

An entire thread dedicated to one mass killing in Norway, while there have to date been 21 "mass murders" involving more than 4 victim deaths in the US in 2021 alone and we don't have threads on most of them.

This one event in Norway is newsworthy and makes international news - 21 events in the US is just an average year. Thats how I know gun control works.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:43 pm

And thank god for women drinking too much! I would probably still have been single if it weren’t for them!
johns624 wrote:
wingman wrote:
M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.
Don't be so smug. Your alcoholism rates are higher than ours, especially among females. All is not happy in the Nordic paradises...
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:49 pm

moo wrote:
This thread is how I know European countries gun control works.

An entire thread dedicated to one mass killing in Norway, while there have to date been 21 "mass murders" involving more than 4 victim deaths in the US in 2021 alone and we don't have threads on most of them.

This one event in Norway is newsworthy and makes international news - 21 events in the US is just an average year. Thats how I know gun control works.

Yeah, badly written words on paper have caused a lot of deaths. Religious texts the most obviously. But the improperly worded 2nd Amendment really screwed the USA.

Tugg
 
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:45 pm

johns624 wrote:
wingman wrote:
M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.
Don't be so smug. Your alcoholism rates are higher than ours, especially among females. All is not happy in the Nordic paradises...


Well, isn’t it clear? They are drinking to numb the sorrow of living in such a miserable, freedom lacking hell hole :wink2:

(because all threads need some levity)
 
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:48 pm

johns624 wrote:
Don't be so smug. Your alcoholism rates are higher than ours, especially among females. All is not happy in the Nordic paradises...


Don't threaten me with a good time!

(For real though, Russia's alcoholism rates are through the roof too. I suspect you'll have a hard time correlating alcoholism with either social welfare policies or gun control.)
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:23 am

At least they have not invented a bow that can shoot 600 arrows a minute
 
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:31 am

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At least they have not invented a bow that can shoot 600 arrows a minute


Pretty sure it has in fact been invented, it was however not a practical off shoot of the bow/arrow or crossbow when compared to 'newer' tech.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

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ChrisKen wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Perp is a Danish citizen AND a recent convert to the Religion of Peace.

As for a shooting, in this case, you actually do "shoot" an arrow.

Actually, you loose an arrow.

The perpetrator let loose his arrows at his victims.


The group ABC would like to take exception to your view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a70yJwgQtzo
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:45 am

Can we stick to the topic of how many mass shootings Norway has had over the past 50 years and the reason behind that?
 
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Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:46 am

M564038 wrote:
Only because you didn’t inform Norway about their NZ citizenship. I know people that didn’t know it was illegal before and have had their passport confiscated and involuntary «returned» to their «real» country.
Allowed only from January 1st 2020.
Official source:

https://www.udi.no/ord-og-begreper/dobb ... orgerskap/

Kiwirob wrote:
saleya22r wrote:
Perhaps dual citizenship?

Norway doesn't recognize a dual citizenship.


Yes it does, my children have all been dual Norwegian New Zealand citizens from birth. The oldest is 16.


Children of NZ citizens are automatically citizens from birth, the Norwegian ban on dual citizenship came into play if you had to make an application for the second citizenship, my oldest child was born in NZ and automatically a kiwi, when we moved to Norway my wife applied for Norwegian citizenship for him, Norway has always known he was a dual citizen. The main drivers behind changing the law were a group of Australians whose Norwegian citizen children were stripped of there Norwegian citizenship, Australia makes you apply for citizenship, its not automatic.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

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M564038 wrote:
Indeed. The free education and healthcare, kindergarden as a right for all children, the 9 weeks vacation, paid paternity leave, clean air, low crime- and homicide rates, entrepeneur and innovation-friendly business policies is like a chain holding me down! I am so sick and tired of things being like this, man! I have to leave my guns at home??
wingman wrote:
M564038 wrote:
The Culture, or should I say lack of Cult surrounding it makes it very different from certain other well known countries.


Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.


9 weeks vacation, where are you working and can I apply for a job, I'm stuck on 5 until I turn 60, then I get 6 weeks. Only 12 years to go.
 
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Re: Massacre in Kongsberg

Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:27 am

Haha! 5 it is! Typo!
Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Indeed. The free education and healthcare, kindergarden as a right for all children, the 9 weeks vacation, paid paternity leave, clean air, low crime- and homicide rates, entrepeneur and innovation-friendly business policies is like a chain holding me down! I am so sick and tired of things being like this, man! I have to leave my guns at home??
wingman wrote:

Very true, you guys don't know freedom like we know freedom. Your happiness index and life expectancy is laughable in the face of my Freedom Cult.


9 weeks vacation, where are you working and can I apply for a job, I'm stuck on 5 until I turn 60, then I get 6 weeks. Only 12 years to go.

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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos