In a blatantly provocative promo for a documentary, Tucker Carlson's team clipped together imagery suggesting the government is 'at war' with white conservatives and that the January 6th Capitol assault was a 'false flag', all set to a martial drumbeat.

Criticism has been swift throughout media, including from conservatives:

It appears that @FoxNews is giving @TuckerCarlson a platform to spread the same type of lies that provoked violence on January 6. As @FoxNews knows, the election wasn’t stolen and January 6 was not a “false flag” operation. - Rep. Liz Cheney

At least 7 white nationalist groups were involved on Jan 6th...Tucker’s lies will focus on FBI, Antifa & other false flag conspiracies. Flynn insanity. QAnon ignorance. Replacement theory. Babbitt martyrdom. Ali Akbar, Gosar & others - Rep. Denver Riggleman

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5789 ... lson-promo

I'm not sure if Fox management can allow this documentary to go forward - it seems ripe to set them up for lawsuits and loss of commercial sponsors. As for Carlson, he knows people lap this stuff up and is laughing all the way to the bank while driving viewers further into the rabbit hole.

Wow they have Ashli Babbitt video right in the beginning of the promo.

NIKV69 wrote:

Wow they have Ashli Babbitt video right in the beginning of the promo.

Hey man, if it bleeds it leads!

NIKV69 wrote:

Wow they have Ashli Babbitt video right in the beginning of the promo.

Yeah it kinda feels like if he was making this in 1996 the headline would be 'Feds are trying to paint military hero as 'Oklahoma City terrorist'.

Aaron747 wrote:

I'm not sure if Fox management can allow this documentary to go forward - it seems ripe to set them up for lawsuits and loss of commercial sponsors. As for Carlson, he knows people lap this stuff up and is laughing all the way to the bank while driving viewers further into the rabbit hole.

Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott says she “sleeps well at night,” and isn’t worried about the lawsuits, so it’s a safe bet she will allow this to go forward.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv ... 235025880/

I am all for free speech and all but this is beyond the pale. All those MAGA hats, all those MAGA flags, all those Confederate flags and patches and all the typical militia showing including gallows for Pence and Pelosi with people surrounding it with MAGA and Confederate and militia gear. Let's also just ignore the chatter FBI and CIA found in the days and hours leading up to the attempted coup.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majo ... t-content-

At some point, like with several of his fellow ex-Fox news on-air persons, he will have to leave/be fired to save the network. Maybe this be the step too far for Fox to keep Carson.

ltbewr wrote:

At some point, like with several of his fellow ex-Fox news on-air persons, he will have to leave/be fired to save the network. Maybe this be the step too far for Fox to keep Carson.

Unfortunately that seems like a big maybe at this point - he brings in far too much $$$. The only way is if this scares more sponsors off.

It has been established by Fox's own lawyers that reasonable people cannot believe anything Tucker Carlson said. However Tucker is still successful, so there are a lot of unreasonable people still watching his shows and eating it up. At some point Fox is going to own a lot of liability for what occurs due to Tucker's dog whistling, lies, and fraud. They will need to cut the cord at some point.

Much as they'd still like to Lock up Hillary without due process, she was right - there is a massive swath of today's GOP that is simply a collection of repugnant, anti-American deplorables.

Tuckers response: ""Until yesterday she and Nancy Pelosi had a monopoly on how Americans were allowed to understand Jan. 6. Unfortunately for them, that’s not how a free society works. Politicians don’t get to put parameters around your thoughts or conversations. Free people are allowed to ask any question they want, They can follow the facts to their own logical conclusions and that’s exactly what we set out to do months ago when we began reporting out this story."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5789 ... lson-promo

casinterest wrote:

It has been established by Fox's own lawyers that reasonable people cannot believe anything Tucker Carlson said. However Tucker is still successful, so there are a lot of unreasonable people still watching his shows and eating it up. At some point Fox is going to own a lot of liability for what occurs due to Tucker's dog whistling, lies, and fraud. They will need to cut the cord at some point.

This isn't true and is a huge generalization. Tucker isn't successful because of that, he is successful because he does have some true commentary on a lot of what the far left is doing. I don't get why he goes into the weeds and into crazy things like this. Especially since the independents are going to abandon the Dem party since Biden has faltered so badly.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

It has been established by Fox's own lawyers that reasonable people cannot believe anything Tucker Carlson said. However Tucker is still successful, so there are a lot of unreasonable people still watching his shows and eating it up. At some point Fox is going to own a lot of liability for what occurs due to Tucker's dog whistling, lies, and fraud. They will need to cut the cord at some point.

This isn't true and is a huge generalization. Tucker isn't successful because of that, he is successful because he does have some true commentary on a lot of what the far left is doing. I don't get why he goes into the weeds and into crazy things like this. Especially since the independents are going to abandon the Dem party since Biden has faltered so badly.

Carlson has the ratings he does because of his insane rants. People tune in to see how far off the rails he goes. There are plenty of sane and fact based right wing commentators out there. But they don't have unhealthy obsessions with AOC and socialism. Carlson is out there, man.

The only reason Biden has "faltered" at all is because both Manchin and Sinema are in control of the entire legislative branch of government. Those two run everything, now. Biden's bills have huge national support. But, Manchin and Sinema want to be the center of the universe and be in control. So here we are. Except that is not what Carlson said, is it? Something about socialism and AOC and hating liberals.

The simple fact is: the 1/6 domestic terror attack was planned and carried out by MAGAs. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

Get over it.

At a minimum, Tucker and Fox News got a lot of free advertisement. If people had simply ignored it and hadn't exploded and pumped their own blood pressure sky high, this might have turned into a big nothingburger.
But no, the Twitterati and other persons who have nothing better to do with their lives than frequent "discussion fora" to get their daily dose of anger, HAD to jump on it and pour gasoline onto the fire.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

It has been established by Fox's own lawyers that reasonable people cannot believe anything Tucker Carlson said. However Tucker is still successful, so there are a lot of unreasonable people still watching his shows and eating it up. At some point Fox is going to own a lot of liability for what occurs due to Tucker's dog whistling, lies, and fraud. They will need to cut the cord at some point.

This isn't true and is a huge generalization. Tucker isn't successful because of that, he is successful because he does have some true commentary on a lot of what the far left is doing. I don't get why he goes into the weeds and into crazy things like this. Especially since the independents are going to abandon the Dem party since Biden has faltered so badly.

Tucker has nothing intelligent to say. He makes money because he gets people together that like to hate intelligence, ideas that change the status quo, or people that aren't like them.
He convinces a small amount of folks that he has the "truth: of who to hate for their self created issues. Tucker has no sacred cow, other than to breed hate and fear for ratings. There is no "facts" that he won't twist.

For all the ratings success of Fox news, why do they never admit that 80% of their viewers are there for people that have no obligation to report facts. Only twisted and manipulated storylines.

casinterest wrote:

Tucker has nothing intelligent to say. He makes money because he gets people together that like to hate intelligence, ideas that change the status quo, or people that aren't like them.
He convinces a small amount of folks that he has the "truth: of who to hate for their self created issues. Tucker has no sacred cow, other than to breed hate and fear for ratings. There is no "facts" that he won't twist.

For all the ratings success of Fox news, why do they never admit that 80% of their viewers are there for people that have no obligation to report facts. Only twisted and manipulated storylines.

Because it isn't true. If you think 80% of fox viewers are whacko conspiracy theorists you are horribly misinformed and like the other poster don't understand the electorate.

seb146 wrote:

Carlson has the ratings he does because of his insane rants. People tune in to see how far off the rails he goes. There are plenty of sane and fact based right wing commentators out there. But they don't have unhealthy obsessions with AOC and socialism. Carlson is out there, man.

A huge part of his audience aren't far right whacks. Again you can't understand this because you base everything on Identity politics. It's why Trump won and it's why nothing is getting done in congress. The middle electorate is a huge bunch of people and they don't want fringe legislation.

seb146 wrote:

The only reason Biden has "faltered" at all is because both Manchin and Sinema are in control of the entire legislative branch of government. Those two run everything, now. Biden's bills have huge national support. But, Manchin and Sinema want to be the center of the universe and be in control. So here we are. Except that is not what Carlson said, is it? Something about socialism and AOC and hating liberals.

No it isn't. Biden's mistakes have nothing to do with Manchin or Sinema. He bungled Afghanistan horribly and has been asleep at the switch on most else. His bills don't have huge national support and his approval rating is horrible. Stop making two level headed Senators the boogie man. Or Carlson. Biden is letting the AOC faction of the party dictate legislation and the country doesn't want it. If what you said is true then the Dems should hold the house. Not going to happen. Come back to the middle like Bill Clinton did and you will get stuff passed.

seb146 wrote:

The simple fact is: the 1/6 domestic terror attack was planned and carried out by MAGAs. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

Get over it.

No it wasn't. It was a protest that got out of control and now the Dem party is going to use it and blame white supremacy for it's failure to lead. So far it's been a horrible losing strategy and it will only get worse unless Biden stops letting the far left run the show.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

Tucker has nothing intelligent to say. He makes money because he gets people together that like to hate intelligence, ideas that change the status quo, or people that aren't like them.
He convinces a small amount of folks that he has the "truth: of who to hate for their self created issues. Tucker has no sacred cow, other than to breed hate and fear for ratings. There is no "facts" that he won't twist.

For all the ratings success of Fox news, why do they never admit that 80% of their viewers are there for people that have no obligation to report facts. Only twisted and manipulated storylines.

Because it isn't true. If you think 80% of fox viewers are whacko conspiracy theorists you are horribly misinformed and like the other poster don't understand the electorate.

Then why do they watch Hannity and Tucker? They are known liars People could get more from Toilet paper than listening to those liars. Heck they could get more out of watching PBS.

Posters blaming “The Left” for 1-6 and its aftermath are at the very core of the wide swath. A protest that got out of control? No, it was fomented by a Republican liar with the fans flamed by a coopted and lying media cohort beholden to the GOP and planned for by the people that stormed the Capitol. We all watched it on television, the lead up, the event itself and the naked attempt to cover up and distract by leading representatives of the Republican Party. Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is a liar in the face if the historical record.

wingman wrote:

Posters blaming “The Left” for 1-6 and its aftermath are at the very core of the wide swath. A protest that got out of control? No, it was fomented by a Republican liar with the fans flamed by a coopted and lying media cohort beholden to the GOP and planned for by the people that stormed the Capitol. We all watched it on television, the lead up, the event itself and the naked attempt to cover up and distract by leading representatives of the Republican Party. Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is a liar in the face if the historical record.

The fact that Fox news continues to employ and entertain Tucker Carlson makes them complicit in this lie. Not much can be said of the viewers that continue to hold "Trust" with this company and it's employees.

Dieuwer wrote:

At a minimum, Tucker and Fox News got a lot of free advertisement. If people had simply ignored it and hadn't exploded and pumped their own blood pressure sky high, this might have turned into a big nothingburger.
But no, the Twitterati and other persons who have nothing better to do with their lives than frequent "discussion fora" to get their daily dose of anger, HAD to jump on it and pour gasoline onto the fire.

He is the network’s big primetime star - of course a crazy promo for a nutjob documentary will be talked about. Fomenting conspiracy theory that may get more people killed is not a ‘nothingburger’.

NIKV69 wrote:

This isn't true and is a huge generalization. Tucker isn't successful because of that, he is successful because he does have some true commentary on a lot of what the far left is doing

Do you have examples of what the "far left" is doing that Tucker Carlson is eloquently exposing in his commentaries? From what I have seen all he really does is sling mud and ask "questions", which seems to be his style. Now if anyone bothers to answer his "questions" you they would quickly find out how full of crap he really is

NIKV69 wrote:

I don't get why he goes into the weeds and into crazy things like this.

IMO there are two possibilities. One, he doesn't believe any of it and just says outlandish things for ratings which translates into more money. This means he's unethical and a sociopath. Two, he DOES believe it which means he's crazy. Take your pick, sociopath or nut job.

NIKV69 wrote:

No it wasn't. It was a protest that got out of control

I'm sorry, the fact that people showed up to this "protest" with tactical gear, comm gear and zip ties tells me otherwise.

NIKV69 wrote:

No it wasn't. It was a protest that got out of control and now the Dem party is going to use it and blame white supremacy for it's failure to lead. So far it's been a horrible losing strategy and it will only get worse unless Biden stops letting the far left run the show.

Need to remind you the bipartisan investigating committee has witnesses and accused 1/6 participants now talking to them about which GOP members of Congress and WH staffers they coordinated with. It's a bit more than a 'protest that got out of control'...

LMP737 wrote:

Do you have examples of what the "far left" is doing that Tucker Carlson is eloquently exposing in his commentaries? From what I have seen all he really does is sling mud and ask "questions", which seems to be his style. Now if anyone bothers to answer his "questions" you they would quickly find out how full of crap he really is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ggD1RF8vKY

The Kavanaugh smear with no evidence and Dem darling (presidential candidate) Michael Avenatti who in reality was a domestic abuser, fraudster, embezzler. If you listen to him speak you will see how spot on he was on the whole sad story. As we look back it all came to pass. Also Thank God for Susan Collins.

LMP737 wrote:

IMO there are two possibilities. One, he doesn't believe any of it and just says outlandish things for ratings which translates into more money. This means he's unethical and a sociopath. Two, he DOES believe it which means he's crazy. Take your pick, sociopath or nut job.

If this is the case than Mika Brezinski, Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid fall under this same assessment. Yet their ratings are not even close to Carlson's. Makes you wonder where the independent voter is tuning in.

NIKV69 wrote:

The Kavanaugh smear with no evidence and Dem darling (presidential candidate)

Oh please, he didn't expose anything. All he did was put his spin on a story.

NIKV69 wrote:

Michael Avenatti who in reality was a domestic abuser, fraudster, embezzler.

Well you got me there. He had the 2020 Democratic nomination wrapped up. Schumer, AOC, Pelosi, Obama, Clinton etc were all flocking to him. Oh wait, what really happened was he mentioned that he might run in 2020 and that was pretty much it.

NIKV69 wrote:

If you listen to him speak you will see how spot on he was on the whole sad story. As we look back it all came to pass. .

If you actually bothered to listen to what he's saying and answered the rhetorical question he likes to ask you would see the mountain of BS that is the Tucker Carlson show.

NIKV69 wrote:

If this is the case than Mika Brezinski, Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid fall under this same assessment. Yet their ratings are not even close to Carlson's. Makes you wonder where the independent voter is tuning in.

I believe this is called deflection. You are unwilling to give an honest answer therefore you bring up something that has little to do with the subject at hand. Oh buy the way. it's a sad indictment on this country that so many people tune into this clown.

NIKV69 wrote:

If this is the case than Mika Brezinski, Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid fall under this same assessment. Yet their ratings are not even close to Carlson's. Makes you wonder where the independent voter is tuning in.

Most Americans are not beholden to Boomervision sets these days. That sort of thing appeals to the MAGA lot better as it is simpler and easier to operate. Going online does tend to show a more balanced approach with modern POVs like theirs being better represented. As well, as there are far more center and left leaning personalities, it is not unexpected that the market will be more fragmented.

If I am a modern, center leaning American, there are those and maybe a dozen other big names to choose from. If I am in your right wing extremist camp, there are really only the FOX and OANN loops. There are a few more online, but again, that is not really your thing.

Aaron747 wrote:

Need to remind you the bipartisan investigating committee has witnesses and accused 1/6 participants now talking to them about which GOP members of Congress and WH staffers they coordinated with. It's a bit more than a 'protest that got out of control'...

Indeed quite. It was ugly enough in the first place, but I totally understand why it is that all these GOP names want this to be suppressed. There are likely a huge number of indictments coming.

NIKV69 wrote:

If you think 80% of fox viewers are whacko conspiracy theorists you are horribly misinformed and like the other poster don't understand the electorate.

I also doubt that percentage is anywhere near that low.

LMP737 wrote:

I believe this is called deflection. You are unwilling to give an honest answer therefore you bring up something that has little to do with the subject at hand. Oh buy the way. it's a sad indictment on this country that so many people tune into this clown.

Not at all. Does Tucker get out there in the weeds? Of course he does but to pretend he is the only one is absurd and totally ridiculous. There are smear merchants on CNN and MSNBC but we have to take their words as gospel? Come on man. Really? The media is in the business of dividing the country and that is fine until you have to actually govern and we see how that is not happening and how nothing can get passed until the moderates step in and actually lead instead of running to the first microphone they find and call people names.

NIKV69 wrote:

Makes you wonder where the independent voter is tuning in.

If you add up Maddow and Carlson's nightly average viewers it's only 8 million or so. The median age of Fox and MSNBC viewers is over 60.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-t ... er/355379/

I doubt they are capturing even a significant portion of independent voters. I couldn't find anything more recent than this chart, but at the time quoted, the vast majority of independents are under 60.



Source: Gallup

Most people in that age group are not getting news from cable TV.

NIKV69 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Carlson has the ratings he does because of his insane rants. People tune in to see how far off the rails he goes. There are plenty of sane and fact based right wing commentators out there. But they don't have unhealthy obsessions with AOC and socialism. Carlson is out there, man.

A huge part of his audience aren't far right whacks. Again you can't understand this because you base everything on Identity politics. It's why Trump won and it's why nothing is getting done in congress. The middle electorate is a huge bunch of people and they don't want fringe legislation.

I just said people watch Carlson to see what kind of wacky stuff he says. No "identity politics" involved. And it is not "fringe legislation" when a large majority of Americans want it.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/92121
https://www.vox.com/2021/10/15/22723457 ... ture-taxes

Depending on the poll, at least 60% of Americans support Build Back Better

https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/24/m ... n-polling/

Over 65% of Americans support Medicare For All

NIKV69 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

The simple fact is: the 1/6 domestic terror attack was planned and carried out by MAGAs. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

Get over it.

No it wasn't. It was a protest that got out of control and now the Dem party is going to use it and blame white supremacy for it's failure to lead. So far it's been a horrible losing strategy and it will only get worse unless Biden stops letting the far left run the show.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/gop-l ... port-shows

It was organized. Even some Republicans were involved in the planning. 1/6 was a planned domestic terror event.

Of course it was planned. Why else would Trump be working so hard to block the call logs and aides notes from the days leading up to the event and the day of? Because just like his tax returns they prove he is a liar. It’s inconsequential either way. We now know that 70 million Americans are living in an orgasmic fascist fantasy of complete and total takeover of the government by Donald Trump. They disdain the truth and understand absolutely nothing about our Constitution. They are sad, pathetic and deplorable. The greatest challenge of our lifetime is to outvote them as consistently as we can. And if we cant hold it together then we part ways. There is no future in a society based on white supremacy, Old Testament values and the complete disregard for truth and science. That kind of country will founder and die in short order.

I wonder if Tucker will cover Trump's attempts to hide internal communications concerning this Attack on the Capital.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-aims-blo ... ys-1644206

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017c ... 97936f0000

Even the national archives aren't buying Trump's lawsuit.

On October 15, Trump sued to block the release of such documents, claiming that disclosing such information would violate his executive privilege. However, President Joe Biden declined to offer executive privilege on most of the records after determining that doing so is "not in the best interests of the United States," adding that it could "shed light" on events that lead to the deadly January 6 riot.

The National Archives is also rejecting Trump's argument, stating that the January 6 committee's requests are necessary to offer insight into the Capitol insurrection.

"Even assuming the applicability of executive privilege, however, the documents may assist the Select Committee in understanding efforts to communicate with the American public, including those who attacked the Capitol on January 6, on the subjects of alleged voter fraud, election security, and other topics concerning the 2020 election," the National Archives wrote in the Saturday court filing.

"These records all relate to the events on or about January 6, and may assist the Select Committee's investigation into that day, including what was occurring at the White House immediately before, during and after the January 6 attack," the filing added.

NIKV69 wrote:

No it wasn't. It was a protest that got out of control

Hold on, isn’t that what they right say about BLM protests? But when they say it about BLM protests they say it in a bad way, “BLM Protests Out Of Control! BLM Burning Down Our Cities!”

But when they dismiss the Capitol Insurrection as a “protest that got out of control” it sounds more like they’re saying “Hey you easily triggered Libs, we were just trolling you, don’t be such sensitive snowflakes!”

FBI called it a domestic terrorist attack

Scholars have called it an insurrection or sedition.

Only those on the far right (which seems to be the vast majority of the right these days) would call it a “protest that got out of hand”.

The pre planning, the collaboration with GOP members of congressman, the funding, the restraint equipment. This was a planned operation.

I mean how else will Tucker be able to brainwash his audience into thinking that Antifa and BLM were behind it.......

Aaron747 wrote:

ltbewr wrote:

At some point, like with several of his fellow ex-Fox news on-air persons, he will have to leave/be fired to save the network. Maybe this be the step too far for Fox to keep Carson.

Unfortunately that seems like a big maybe at this point - he brings in far too much $$$. The only way is if this scares more sponsors off.

Once he's got enough loyal viewers far enough down the Rabbit Hole he'll do something that'll make the network have to fire him, claim very loudly that he's being cancelled/censored then start up his own $30/month subscription channel and ride the gravy train as far as he can go.

Glenn Beck did the same ten years or so ago and did rather well for himself. So much so that he had a personal MD80 until quite recently.

wingman wrote:

Much as they'd still like to Lock up Hillary without due process, she was right - there is a massive swath of today's GOP that is simply a collection of repugnant, anti-American deplorables.

I don't like Hillary Clinton, but she was 100% correct with the deplorables comment. The fact that she backed down showed how beholden to political correctness she was.

What I don't get is, how do people give free pass to Trump for trying to deal with the Taliban. Hell, he even invited them to the White House.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... e-taliban/

The above itself shows that it was pre-decided that America would pull out both of Afghanistan as well as Iraq. There has been no news from Iraq so I presume as of date they are still staying there.

zkojq wrote:

I don't like Hillary Clinton, but she was 100% correct with the deplorables comment. The fact that she backed down showed how beholden to political correctness she was.

Not really, it was a bad generalization and it alienated a good part of the electorate she needed. I am actually glad she said it because it was a good part of the reason she lost but it was a horrible political blunder.

NIKV69 wrote:

zkojq wrote:

I don't like Hillary Clinton, but she was 100% correct with the deplorables comment. The fact that she backed down showed how beholden to political correctness she was.

Not really, it was a bad generalization and it alienated a good part of the electorate she needed. I am actually glad she said it because it was a good part of the reason she lost but it was a horrible political blunder.

Considering what happened on 1/6 and how they acted up to that point and still do, she was spot on. A lot of people see that now, which gave us Biden and even the 2018 midterm victories.

Interesting Article on Ted Cruz, but the opinion offered explains much of what is driving the outlandishness we see.
This may even need to be a separate thread, as it relates to something we see on Facebook, but it touches on what drives Carlson's and much of the right wing media's "outrage" generators.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/opinions ... index.html

I think he is operating within the model of the rage-chasing Facebook algorithm, which seems to motivate so many politicians in his party ever since it helped drive the former president to power and keep him at the top of the GOP.
Among the recent revelations about Facebook, we learned the social network programmed its algorithm to reward more provocative and emotional content by placing it higher up people's news feeds. Reaction emojis that allow users to signal either "love," "haha," "wow," "angry" or "sad" for example, were considered five times more valuable than the standard "likes."This has ratcheted up the use of extreme rhetoric and contributed to the country becoming angrier and more divided. For politicians of a certain ilk, the same pursuit of attention and emotion has become routine.

Social media has promoted a toxic communications strategy and many self-serving individuals have exploited it, making expressions of hatred more commonplace -- and more acceptable in some circles. In extreme cases, those expressions include threats of violence, and worse.

Carlson and Fox use a lot of the same strategies to keep their viewers locked in. High emotions, whether True or Not, keep their viewers engaged.

Aaron747 wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

At a minimum, Tucker and Fox News got a lot of free advertisement. If people had simply ignored it and hadn't exploded and pumped their own blood pressure sky high, this might have turned into a big nothingburger.
But no, the Twitterati and other persons who have nothing better to do with their lives than frequent "discussion fora" to get their daily dose of anger, HAD to jump on it and pour gasoline onto the fire.

He is the network’s big primetime star - of course a crazy promo for a nutjob documentary will be talked about. Fomenting conspiracy theory that may get more people killed is not a ‘nothingburger’.

He is just trolling ... considering he is a registered democrat.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... e-1229008/

He just figured out that he doesn't have yo do any work at Fox news. Just check reddit on his drive to work and his show is done. Easy money.

Best regards
Thomas

One thing I don't get, is the same people who are outraged about 1/6 so much, completely ignore the BLM riots that caused more damage on US soil than at any other time in American history since the Civil War, killed dozens of people including children and destroyed thousands of people's livelihoods.

Can someone explain to this non-American why the double standard? What about holding everyone accountable? As an American I'd be thinking, Washington riots bad, but it wasn't them that burned down my business, home, and murdered children.

I'm not trying to start a flamefest here, just genuinely asking to understand why the double standard.

Redd wrote:

One thing I don't get, is the same people who are outraged about 1/6 so much, completely ignore the BLM riots that caused more damage on US soil than at any other time in American history since the Civil War, killed dozens of people including children and destroyed thousands of people's livelihoods.

Can someone explain to this non-American why the double standard? What about holding everyone accountable? As an American I'd be thinking, Washington riots bad, but it wasn't them that burned down my business, home, and murdered children.

I'm not trying to start a flamefest here, just genuinely asking to understand why the double standard.

First of all, the double standard exists only in the world of reaction media. It's important to avoid conflating points in the same manner certain media outlets like to portray them. For example:

the BLM riots that caused more damage on US soil than at any other time in American history since the Civil War

While this is correct, this is due to the scale of the demonstrations - millions of participants in hundreds of cities - which was also unprecedented in history. Roughly 96% of the 7300+ demonstrations did not involve property damage or personal injury.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... rch-finds/

That would leave around 275 protests that did result in those. For the damages then, that would suggest actual damage was limited to very specific areas, primarily specific blocks of Minneapolis, Oakland, Baltimore, NYC, and Los Angeles. By contrast, the 1992 riots in Los Angeles killed more than 60, injured thousands, involved more than 12,000 arrests and incurred over $1 billion in property damage. That event nearly matched the numbers of the BLM protests, all in one city.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/18/us/l ... index.html

What about holding everyone accountable?

When children were killed, there were immediate demands for criminal behavior resulting in her death to stop:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/us/a ... illed.html

Nationwide, there were more than 14,000 arrests, and plenty of commentary from all sides on the importance of peaceful protest. Many of the violent rioters were not involved with BLM at all, and were solo opportunists or members of anarchist groups that routinely show up in times of public unrest.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lone-wolve ... 1591608601

https://www.voanews.com/a/extremism-wat ... 95936.html

The problem with the Washington riot is the negative presentation to the world and country that then-POTUS could not accept his election loss, and his team members and supporters in Congress were working with acolytes in the public to interrupt confirmation of the election that day in Congress. Even now, those members of Congress and the ex-POTUS continue to delay in court any accountability or investigation of their activities. Such an event is unheard of in developed economies.

In fact, our current Dictator came from one such event. Check out the 2002 Gujarat riots or Gujrat pogrom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots. The riots that were happened in Delhi after the Anti-CAA protests was similar 100%. In both the riots, it was Muslims who were targeted, in both the riots, it was Muslims who were found culpable by the state. In both the cases, the state seemed to say that Muslims killed Muslims and not for any specific reason, just to give bad name to the Indian state/GOI (Government of India).

In fact, when this was reported in National press (rise of crime against minorities)

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 74374.html

When internationally she is asked about the violence and the suppression, our FM says , this is just rumor-mongering done by intellectuals.

In the 2002, pogrom the then Police Commissioner Shri Sanjiv Bhatt wanted to ask for paramilitary forces and whatnot to curb the violence but the then Chief Minister and today's PM would not have it. After the whole thing, the commissioner has been put in jail and for the past decade not a single hearing on the case.

Narendra Modi's entry into politics was by killing his superiors and making them disappear. Both he and Mr. Amit Shah (current Home Minister) did lot of that. In Indian parlance, he is also known as Tadipaar. Tadipaar is a term given by the court when it thinks of a criminal as too dangerous to be a citizen of that state and he is deported for a period of time. In 2005, there was a gentleman called Sohrabuddin Sheikh and his wife Kausar Bi. Mr. Amit Shah was the Home Minister at that point in time. After the incident, in 2006, a certain Mr. Dayal who was famous for his tactics in finding juicy stories from cops by drinking with them, was drinking and was shared how the 'fake encounter' on Sohrabuddin and his wife was done.

Fake encounter in India means a staged encounter. The cops will kill someone in cold blood (extra-judicial killings) and then make it appear it hapened as a shootout.

The gentleman, to his credit, didn't just look at the statements given by those officers but also found legally or illegally, that hundreds of calls were made by Mr. Amit Shah to those group of officers leading to the night of attack. This was played and shared in press and there was so much pressure that a case had to be registered against him. The first officers in the case were arrested in 2010 leading to the culmination of the HM himself.

Although the evidence was overwhelmingly against him, the first CBI trial judge, Shri Justice Utpat, was transferred on June 25, 2014. The next judge Shri Brijgopal Loya was put up as his replacement. He had the track record of being a no-nonsence judge. Justice Loya was found dead sometime between the night of November 30 and the early morning of December 1, 2014, in Nagpur, where he was travelling for a colleague’s daughter’s wedding. For those who don't know Nagpur is the base of RSS the militant arm of BJP or to be more precise, BJP is the political arm of RSS. RSS came much before.

There was a lot of reconstruction of events that showed that something fishy had happened with Justice Loya, but this was summarily dismissed. After that, there has been a rise in crime against both lawyers and judges. In fact, few judges have been caught on camera being killed by trucks/vans who come on the sidewalk, kill the judges and then speed away. Of course, none of them are ever caught. But I digress.

The third judge, Mr. MB Gosavi, heard Mr. Amit Shah's discharge petition from December 15 to 17 and then summarily dropped charges against him on December 30, 2014. This 'gentleman' is our Home Minister.

victrola wrote:

Trump LOST the election. The only people who believe he won are "far right wing wacks".

I guess that would make Trump himself a "far right wing wacko" since he still thinks he won. Or, at least he mouths the words so that his supporters keep sending him money.

Redd wrote:

One thing I don't get, is the same people who are outraged about 1/6 so much, completely ignore the BLM riots that caused more damage on US soil than at any other time in American history since the Civil War, killed dozens of people including children and destroyed thousands of people's livelihoods.

Can someone explain to this non-American why the double standard? What about holding everyone accountable? As an American I'd be thinking, Washington riots bad, but it wasn't them that burned down my business, home, and murdered children.

I'm not trying to start a flamefest here, just genuinely asking to understand why the double standard.

BLM protests are about pointing out inequality across the country and mistreatment by police. The 1/6 domestic terror attack was about overthrowing the government because their guy lost. Not even remotely the same.

Or to expand: One group of people are pissed that minorities are not getting fair representation and are taking to the streets to express this. Another group of people are taking to the streets because they are pissed that non-whites are getting recognized as humans finally. It is always righteous to fight for more rights, rather than to strip rights from a group of people. Guaranteed someone in your family tree was oppressed at one point, and you exist because someone tossed them a loaf of bread rather than the pointy end of a sword in the past.

While I agree that the Jan 6 incident was much worse than anything BLM/Antifa did, much of those disturbances had nothing to do with what they were supposed to be. Much was just troublemakers causing trouble. Looting and burning and taking over areas of a city are not demonstrations.

johns624 wrote:

While I agree that the Jan 6 incident was much worse than anything BLM/Antifa did, much of those disturbances had nothing to do with what they were supposed to be. Much was just troublemakers causing trouble. Looting and burning and taking over areas of a city are not demonstrations.

Oh yea I am sure BLM members chanting to fry police in bacon has nothing to do with looting and burning? :sarcasm: I find it hilarious how when a white supremacist commits violence the whole GOP is painted with that brush yet once a BLM protester commits violence they get a pass.

Sure, there were a bunch of jerks who just wanted to break things. I'm not sure why people do not get the difference between people screaming "We exist!!" and people saying "We want to steal TVs!!" Like you have to be willingfully ignorant to not listen to what they were shouting.

johns624 wrote:

While I agree that the Jan 6 incident was much worse than anything BLM/Antifa did, much of those disturbances had nothing to do with what they were supposed to be. Much was just troublemakers causing trouble. Looting and burning and taking over areas of a city are not demonstrations.

So you are willing to downplay the january 6th incident, because the problems were caused by merely a few troublemakers?

Beggars the question, why not give the same leeway to the BLM/Antifa demonstrations? Or do you believe that millions of people went to the street with the intent to loot and burn down buildings?