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sldispatcher wrote:Sorry. That is a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled. As far as the pilot being "unsafe", how on earth are you passing that "poor judgement" on the pilot based on a PA announcement?
As far as I know, the pilots at all of the majors have very high standards for skills, knowledge, etc.
aden23 wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/southwest-pilot-tells-passengers-lets-go-brandon-in-flight-announcement-2021-10
If a pilot has such poor judgement to broadcast his politics to pax, should he be allowed to fly planes? Is Southwest this desperate for pilots that they have to hire unsafe, socially inept pilots?
Aliqiout wrote:Completely disgusting, and certainly socially inept, but unsafe?
tomaheath wrote:I’m liking Southwest Airlines more and more! How does this make the pilot unsafe?
WayexTDI wrote:sldispatcher wrote:Sorry. That is a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled. As far as the pilot being "unsafe", how on earth are you passing that "poor judgement" on the pilot based on a PA announcement?
As far as I know, the pilots at all of the majors have very high standards for skills, knowledge, etc.
What is "a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled"?
As a professional facing the public, in whatever role you operate (host/hostess in a restaurant or hotel, cashier at a store or pilot at an airline), you do not display your political opinions to your customers, regardless whether they are for or against the current President, Congress and/or Chamber of Representatives.
Religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation (among others) are private matter and must not be publicly displayed when you are facing your customers; it's your private life, keep it as such.
As far as the pilot being unsafe, I agree with you, I don't see the link.
BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
WN732 wrote:The shock and horror when passengers find out that a large portion of pilots are conservative in the US.
What is more shocking that she has the audacity to try to get him on audio after the "incident". What a doughnut.
Aliqiout wrote:BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about anyone being traumatized. I think the safety concerns are a stretch, but it is extremely concerning that a pilot is either so clueless about appropriate professional behavior, or so political worked up he didn't care. This would be equally concerning if this was coming from the other end of the political spectrum.
Aliqiout wrote:Completely disgusting, and certainly socially inept, but unsafe?
Aliqiout wrote:BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about anyone being traumatized. .
BWIAirport wrote:Hope everyone recovered from this traumatizing incident.
gregn21 wrote:“Unsafe”? The guy made a joke, chill out LOL. Unnecessarily political, maybe, but his joking comment had no actual affect on anyone. Southwest crews have always been known for playful joking/antics. Let the guy be a little loose. It’s what separates Southwest from everyone else. How does this make the news?
bpat777 wrote:gregn21 wrote:“Unsafe”? The guy made a joke, chill out LOL. Unnecessarily political, maybe, but his joking comment had no actual affect on anyone. Southwest crews have always been known for playful joking/antics. Let the guy be a little loose. It’s what separates Southwest from everyone else. How does this make the news?
If a pilot spoke of his support for B.L.M. over the PA would those of you supporting him feel the same? Or is the support and downplaying only for views you believe in?
sldispatcher wrote:WayexTDI wrote:sldispatcher wrote:Sorry. That is a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled. As far as the pilot being "unsafe", how on earth are you passing that "poor judgement" on the pilot based on a PA announcement?
As far as I know, the pilots at all of the majors have very high standards for skills, knowledge, etc.
What is "a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled"?
As a professional facing the public, in whatever role you operate (host/hostess in a restaurant or hotel, cashier at a store or pilot at an airline), you do not display your political opinions to your customers, regardless whether they are for or against the current President, Congress and/or Chamber of Representatives.
Religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation (among others) are private matter and must not be publicly displayed when you are facing your customers; it's your private life, keep it as such.
As far as the pilot being unsafe, I agree with you, I don't see the link.
"must not be"? Based on what law? Surely a company and their employees still have a right to decide what is appropriate or not within the confines of the law.
As another poster mentioned, Southwest, in part, built a reputation on having fun. We have forgotten how to laugh at ourselves. Look at the sad state of comedy in our country today. The late, great Johnny Carson and his wildly successful show couldn't pass muster with the AP thought police or many of the A.NET folks either. WN was born in that era and some of their antics of satire and wit remind me of that treasured time.
I don't have close access to WN or their flights but it seems like people are finding every angle to pile on them this year.
IF this pilot gets fired due to pressure from the woke mob of pearl clutchers, it will be another sad day.
Agreed, this is a non-news issue and should never have even made it past the editor's desk in my humble opinion.
bpat777 wrote:
If a pilot spoke of his support for B.L.M. over the PA would those of you supporting him feel the same? Or is the support and downplaying only for views you believe in?
NLINK wrote:It’s no difference than college professors pushing his or her political views in a classroom which are usually very left.
DL757NYC wrote:Aliqiout wrote:Completely disgusting, and certainly socially inept, but unsafe?
Disgusting? I remember the other side doing much worse with the last president
usflyer msp wrote:A friend of mine is an ATL based WN captain and he has a restraining order on a DAL based colleague after he was threatened in an ATL crew room over his (non-GOP) politics.
bpat777 wrote:gregn21 wrote:“Unsafe”? The guy made a joke, chill out LOL. Unnecessarily political, maybe, but his joking comment had no actual affect on anyone. Southwest crews have always been known for playful joking/antics. Let the guy be a little loose. It’s what separates Southwest from everyone else. How does this make the news?
If a pilot spoke of his support for B.L.M. over the PA would those of you supporting him feel the same? Or is the support and downplaying only for views you believe in?
WayexTDI wrote:sldispatcher wrote:WayexTDI wrote:What is "a company policy decision that is between the pilot, the union, and the company and however it gets handled"?
As a professional facing the public, in whatever role you operate (host/hostess in a restaurant or hotel, cashier at a store or pilot at an airline), you do not display your political opinions to your customers, regardless whether they are for or against the current President, Congress and/or Chamber of Representatives.
Religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation (among others) are private matter and must not be publicly displayed when you are facing your customers; it's your private life, keep it as such.
As far as the pilot being unsafe, I agree with you, I don't see the link.
"must not be"? Based on what law? Surely a company and their employees still have a right to decide what is appropriate or not within the confines of the law.
As another poster mentioned, Southwest, in part, built a reputation on having fun. We have forgotten how to laugh at ourselves. Look at the sad state of comedy in our country today. The late, great Johnny Carson and his wildly successful show couldn't pass muster with the AP thought police or many of the A.NET folks either. WN was born in that era and some of their antics of satire and wit remind me of that treasured time.
I don't have close access to WN or their flights but it seems like people are finding every angle to pile on them this year.
IF this pilot gets fired due to pressure from the woke mob of pearl clutchers, it will be another sad day.
Agreed, this is a non-news issue and should never have even made it past the editor's desk in my humble opinion.
When you interface with a customer, you have 50/50 chances of offending them with your personal views; as such, as a general rule, you do not discuss personal matters (political views, religion, etc) when interfacing with a customer.
I never found WN "jokes" to be funny; I found them to be distracting from their original purpose (since they are usually during safety briefings) and counterproductive.
CBBW wrote:When I pay for an airline ticket I’m not paying to hear the political views of airline employees regardless of what they are and I would bet the people defending this pilot would say the same if he’d said something they disagree with. Fly the plane and STFU.
piedmontf284000 wrote:However, it is is not obscene and it is not lurid. Could this be considered a political statement?
Aaron747 wrote:Irrelevant - it's disgusting regardless of what 'side' it is done for. Whether 'F Trump' or 'Let's Go Brandon', political statements like this have NOTHING to do with the job description and have no professional justification. It also indicates a worrying lack of judgment and emotional control - two things the job description definitely requires.
Nonrevhell wrote:Inappropriate behavior by a pilot, we don't need to hear this crap from a pilot.
WayexTDI wrote:NLINK wrote:It’s no difference than college professors pushing his or her political views in a classroom which are usually very left.
And they are (rightfully) taking the heat for it. So, this pilot needs to take the heat as well: what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
santi319 wrote:Since when aren't pilots known for being educated?Thats so embarassing. But then again pilots are not known for being the most educated people…
Nonrevhell wrote:Inappropriate behavior by a pilot, we don't need to hear this crap from a pilot.
DarkSnowyNight wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:However, it is is not obscene and it is not lurid. Could this be considered a political statement?
Directionless idiocy is not a political statement.Aaron747 wrote:Irrelevant - it's disgusting regardless of what 'side' it is done for. Whether 'F Trump' or 'Let's Go Brandon', political statements like this have NOTHING to do with the job description and have no professional justification. It also indicates a worrying lack of judgment and emotional control - two things the job description definitely requires.
Fair. Blurting out confessions of insecurity as he has done is a strong calling card of poor judgement and an inexcusable lack of emotive control. What would happen in another month, for example, if his wife divorces him for someone better?
Not a lot of room to place faith in someone like that's ability to handle stress of any level.
NLINK wrote:It’s no difference than college professors pushing his or her political views in a classroom which are usually very left.
NLINK wrote:Nonrevhell wrote:Inappropriate behavior by a pilot, we don't need to hear this crap from a pilot.
Just as I should not hear the same crap at sporting event or in a college class.
Aaron747 wrote:NLINK wrote:It’s no difference than college professors pushing his or her political views in a classroom which are usually very left.
Not an apt comparison. Universities hire academics to achieve a spread of viewpoints in their faculty. Airlines hire pilots to fly airplanes competently and take care of their customers.