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2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:44 pm

I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.

Lets discuss.
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Re: 2021 Elections.

Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:09 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.

Lets discuss.


I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.
 
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Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:59 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.

Lets discuss.


NJ: Murphy has done a good job and he'll win easily. Ciattarelli's run a terrible campaign and he's a weak candidate.

VA: A coinflip right now. Dems got freaked out with that Fox poll that gave Youngkin a big lead, but other polls have shown the race in either a dead heat or a McAuliffe small lead. The latter's run a terrible campaign, however, especially in the closing weeks. If he loses, it will be more because of that and not because of AOC and her pals. I can't stand her, but she's a non-factor for most people. On the flipside, there's been lots of early voting this election and that generally favors Democrats.

NYC: Also having elections tomorrow. Adams landslide. Sliwa's a buffoon. He was giving some speech outside my office a month ago. Funny-looking man in person.
 
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Re: 2021 Elections.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:47 am

FiveThirtyEight has projections with Youngkin at a slight lead. Curious as to what lead to the shift so close to Election Day. Is NOVA, specifically Loudoun County, driving this?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=rrpromo

Source: FiveThirtyEight
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:54 am

I wonder what percentage of voters (that voted for Biden) are now discontent with the vaccine mandates (a position championed by Biden and by Democrats as a party as a whole), who became anti-Fauci after Trump left, that such these discontent voters will vote for the Republican. I know a few in my family.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:41 am

Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?

In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:46 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?

In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.


Oh absolutely, electioneering is its own cottage industry here. You have consultants, coordinators, PR people etc. who make campaigns their full-time business. It never ends. The two major parties are also constantly prospecting for new candidates as well.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:31 am

Don't forget fundraisers/ings for candidates,and candidates to be candidates !
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:05 pm

This year is an 'off year' for elections in the USA with only 2 states having statewide offices up to a vote and some major cities, especially NY City, having mayoral and other offices up to a vote.
New Jersey: The legislature will still be in control by Democrats although it may lose a few seats to Republicans. Incumbent Murphy will likely win but at a margin less than the polls say, like about 4-5% margin.
Virginia: The Governor's race has tightened up to a toss-up. Many are looking at whoever wins as a marker of the direction the USA voters are going in. Many may not like Trump but he isn't running for office but agreed with many of his polices that Republicans support.
NY City Mayor's race: Adams is a Black man, has political experience, a former police officer but one who believed in more progressive police polices, not as polarizing as DeBlasio has been. Swilva will get the vote of the cops, firefighters, anti-crime, anti-tax White voters but not many others.
Other cities with elections this year: As most are Democratic Party led I don't she much change but toward more progressive candidates. Buffalo could see a 'socialist' mayor win.
 
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Re: 2021 Elections.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:30 pm

Aaron747 wrote:

I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.


I think the progressive views of the country as it pertains to the economy has everyone spooked and will play somewhat in this election. We need to get a handle on inflation and less from the AOC faction of congress. If McAuliffe loses I think the Dems will have to make some hard decisions come mid terms or 2010 will look like a picnic.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:07 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:

I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.


I think the progressive views of the country as it pertains to the economy has everyone spooked and will play somewhat in this election. We need to get a handle on inflation and less from the AOC faction of congress. If McAuliffe loses I think the Dems will have to make some hard decisions come mid terms or 2010 will look like a picnic.


Anyone who is spooked on economic effects by words of any US politicians is still living in 1972. This is a global economy now, and we're a huge part of it. Most things that affect Americans in their pocketbook are a result of that - gas prices is a huge example. The MAGA wing of the GOP is blaming gas prices on Dems, but the big picture is global production stops and massive layoffs last year by US/global energy companies that did not plan for the pandemic wind-down demand spikes because they were preserving profit margins.

These days where the economy is strong, things press on regardless of what the politicians are doing. If you search 'product manager' or 'program manager' on LinkedIn or Indeed in the SF Bay Area or NYC right now, there are literally tens of thousands of openings that companies' recruiting departments are too swamped to fill.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:37 pm

phluser wrote:
I wonder what percentage of voters (that voted for Biden) are now discontent with the vaccine mandates (a position championed by Biden and by Democrats as a party as a whole), who became anti-Fauci after Trump left, that such these discontent voters will vote for the Republican. I know a few in my family.

Interestingly I know a few Republican's that have been put-off by Republican lack of effort or leadership on getting people vaccinated and prefer the mandates. They want to just get people healthy and things moving again.

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:52 pm

Final FiveThirtyEight projections have Youngkin becoming the next Virginia governor by 1 point.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=rrpromo

Source: FiveThirtyEight

Aaron747 wrote:
I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.


Seems that was likely the reversal leading to Youngkin's lead.

Quote from CNN article:

McAuliffe had left the door wide open with an ill-advised comment in a debate earlier this year, when he said, "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach." Youngkin took the comment out of context, but in retrospect, that was the moment when his campaign really gained traction as he chased down his rival's polling lead in October and made the race a dead heat by Election Day.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:02 pm

No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:07 pm

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No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.

Most in the US know it is well protected and safe. There are fringe people on either side that claim problems. The left has a problem with "the money" and elections being bought. The right has the newly created "stolen election" side that thinks the process is corrupted, even with no evidence and in fact mountains of evidence that is is safe and accurate.

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:09 pm

Tugger wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.

Most in the US know it is well protected and safe. There are fringe people on either side that claim problems. The left has a problem with "the money" and elections being bought. The right has the newly created "stolen election" side that thinks the process is corrupted, even with no evidence and in fact mountains of evidence that is is safe and accurate.

Tugg


Do you have any hard data on your "most" claim, or is that your personal opinion?
Both sides are now talking about election fraud: "Candidates Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin accuse each other of reinforcing election fraud theories".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-mcau ... minor_pos4
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:10 pm

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This is a global economy now, and we're a huge part of it.


It's been that way for a long time. To pretend that it just started now is being dishonest. Biden's actions and his ideas have the country feeling very worried about what lies ahead. It has nothing to do with being a "global economy" It's why the VA race is as close as it is and it's why the Dems will suffer huge loses next year if they don't change course.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:26 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.

Most in the US know it is well protected and safe. There are fringe people on either side that claim problems. The left has a problem with "the money" and elections being bought. The right has the newly created "stolen election" side that thinks the process is corrupted, even with no evidence and in fact mountains of evidence that is is safe and accurate.

Tugg


Do you have any hard data on your "most" claim, or is that your personal opinion?
Both sides are now talking about election fraud: "Candidates Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin accuse each other of reinforcing election fraud theories".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-mcau ... minor_pos4

Talk is cheap. There is nothing so far found (and a lot of people are digging hard to find anything they can) of any scale that there is widespread, outcome altering fraud risk in the US election system.

As to "most" the data is a simple google away:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... istration/
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... n-process/
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2 ... -fairness/
https://morningconsult.com/form/trackin ... elections/
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... ral-system
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... tive-Views

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:31 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?

In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.



Uhhh...what about Canada? Trudeau called a snap election because he thought it was politically expedient for him. Nobody wanted that election, especially since the last one was just two years before. And the results? No different...his party gained a few more seats, but he still has a minority government. You honestly think this is a better way?
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:49 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?

In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.


Not really, usually there are weeks of negotiations because the lack of majority for this or that coalition.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:14 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.

Lets discuss.


The interesting thing here is: Gov. Murphy actually implemented Biden's progressive agenda on a state level and it looks like he is popular and will be elected because of it.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:34 pm

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The interesting thing here is: Gov. Murphy actually implemented Biden's progressive agenda on a state level and it looks like he is popular and will be elected because of it.


I would check that tax rate on the rich in NJ it's not nearly as high as what Biden wants so I wouldn't say it's so progressive. That is why he is getting re-elected he is a bit more realistic than AOC.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:40 pm

A Republican hasn't won a state-wide contest in Virginia since 2009, so I still think it would be an upset if Youngkin wins. For the longest time it seems like Democrats have been running against Trump and their strategy was to tie any Republican candidates to him. Now that he's been out of office for a while and he's still off social media its not so easy to keep that up.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:47 pm

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A Republican hasn't won a state-wide contest in Virginia since 2009, so I still think it would be an upset if Youngkin wins. For the longest time it seems like Democrats have been running against Trump and their strategy was to tie any Republican candidates to him. Now that he's been out of office for a while and he's still off social media its not so easy to keep that up.

Yes, the Republican's can have a winning strategy if they avoid Trump and his divisiveness. More Dems are willing to vote for a reasonable Republican. Whereas a majority of Republicans would knee-jerk not be willing to vote for a Dem, even a "reasonable one" (we'll see what happens in WV next election Manchin faces). Trump will only turn off moderate Republicans and motivate Dems.

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:40 pm

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FiveThirtyEight has projections with Youngkin at a slight lead. Curious as to what lead to the shift so close to Election Day. Is NOVA, specifically Loudoun County, driving this?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=rrpromo

Source: FiveThirtyEight


Granted, VA governor race has probably been better polled than the CA governor recall election, but the polling averages in CA showed Newsome winning by 6-8 points and he ended up winning by greater than 20 points. Polling is getting harder and harder to do - internet polls have passed phone polls in reliability, and accounting for sampling bias has only increased in difficulty. I don't know what will happen, but Youngkin could loose by 3-4 points fairly easily. The reports about early voting are all over the place so I don't know what to make of that.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:57 pm

For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:13 pm

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For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.

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What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:20 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.

Tugg


What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.

What "wrong doing"?

And yes a few flaw, there always are.

I am not a fan of "ID at the polls" as it had not proven to be an issue (what about ID for mail in ones?) but can support with strong community engagement to get ID's issued to all that need one. That means active out reach to all communities so that people that have a harder time getting one can and will get one. No passing "ID required for next months election" crap with no support.

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Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:10 pm

Tugger wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.

Tugg


What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.

What "wrong doing"?

And yes a few flaw, there always are.

I am not a fan of "ID at the polls" as it had not proven to be an issue (what about ID for mail in ones?) but can support with strong community engagement to get ID's issued to all that need one. That means active out reach to all communities so that people that have a harder time getting one can and will get one. No passing "ID required for next months election" crap with no support.

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I didn't say there was any wrong doing, not at the poles anyway. My grip with recent elections is with the biased reporting by the media. Every outlet has picked a side and its hard to find honest reporting on the issues and candidates.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:25 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.

What "wrong doing"?



And yes a few flaw, there always are.

I am not a fan of "ID at the polls" as it had not proven to be an issue (what about ID for mail in ones?) but can support with strong community engagement to get ID's issued to all that need one. That means active out reach to all communities so that people that have a harder time getting one can and will get one. No passing "ID required for next months election" crap with no support.

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I didn't say there was any wrong doing, not at the poles anyway. My grip with recent elections is with the biased reporting by the media. Every outlet has picked a side and its hard to find honest reporting on the issues and candidates.


Even flawed reporting can’t change basic facts - the dismissal of wrongdoing is because court after court threw out bogus claims that were the election equivalent of monkeys throwing feces hoping some would stick. The fact cult people then turn around and say ‘courts were in on the steal’ or whatever only suggests they are unreachable.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:28 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:

This is a global economy now, and we're a huge part of it.


It's been that way for a long time. To pretend that it just started now is being dishonest. Biden's actions and his ideas have the country feeling very worried about what lies ahead. It has nothing to do with being a "global economy" It's why the VA race is as close as it is and it's why the Dems will suffer huge loses next year if they don't change course.


I didn’t say it just started now. Low information voters and divisive media have pinned every little economic metric on the WH for decades...but doing so only makes the health of political discourse worse.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:41 pm

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Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be

The folks that believe Trump’s rambling on stolen elections are hardly the inclusive type. Interesting how all of a sudden it’s relevant.

Anyway, the solution to all of this: ban hyper partisan websites, tv stations, radio stations, social networks and so on. Which is never gonna happen.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:43 pm

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For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.

Tugg


International monitors at voting stations? Registered-mail ballot mailing? Carbon-copy-including ballots? Multi-person oversight when processing ballots? Etc.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:47 pm

Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:52 pm

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Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.


You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:54 pm

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bpatus297 wrote:
Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be

The folks that believe Trump’s rambling on stolen elections are hardly the inclusive type. Interesting how all of a sudden it’s relevant.

Anyway, the solution to all of this: ban hyper partisan websites, tv stations, radio stations, social networks and so on. Which is never gonna happen.



There in lies the problem, you are lumping people into categories. This is counter productive and gets no one anywhere. I never said ban anything, I just said that was my gripe.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:58 pm

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Dieuwer wrote:
Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.


You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.


Yes, I abhor the district system.
 
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:10 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.


You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.


Yes, I abhor the district system.

Then how do you vote on certain district things, like the district representative? The whole state votes for who represents a smaller district?

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Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:08 am

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Dieuwer wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.


Yes, I abhor the district system.

Then how do you vote on certain district things, like the district representative? The whole state votes for who represents a smaller district?

Tugg


The problem is less "districts", more "districting". Another (worst case) partisan part of the US electoral system which countries with independent sytems shake their heads at.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:42 am

Youngkin just won VA 54 to 46.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:50 am

Not too hard to see coming. The bizarre comments from McAuliffe on parents' role in schools easily turned anyone on the fence in the suburbs. Youngkin also took pains to distance himself from Trump, because that name doesn't play well in the suburbs either.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:18 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Not too hard to see coming. The bizarre comments from McAuliffe on parents' role in schools easily turned anyone on the fence in the suburbs. Youngkin also took pains to distance himself from Trump, because that name doesn't play well in the suburbs either.


I don't think Trump played in this race much at all. I think Biden's horrible first year and McAuliffe's zany words did more to doom him. I also wouldn't have asked Kamala Harris to stump for me as she is one of the most unpopular Dems right now.

NJ surprising close.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:36 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Not too hard to see coming. The bizarre comments from McAuliffe on parents' role in schools easily turned anyone on the fence in the suburbs. Youngkin also took pains to distance himself from Trump, because that name doesn't play well in the suburbs either.


I don't think Trump played in this race much at all. I think Biden's horrible first year and McAuliffe's zany words did more to doom him. I also wouldn't have asked Kamala Harris to stump for me as she is one of the most unpopular Dems right now.

NJ surprising close.


Trump did encourage his supporters to go out and vote for Youngkin. It certainly helped bring better turnout in the reddest areas. I believe Biden's government overreach measures did more harm to the Democrats and inspire more conservatives to vote to check Biden, than harm from viewpoints of the Far Left and AOC to the Democratic party.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:11 am

Fascinating that any time Trump comes up, many come in to claim “TDS! TDS! You people are obsessed!”

And yet here we are in a thread about elections, and AOC keeps coming up. Despite the fact that she’s only a first term rep from New York…who is completely uninvolved in this round of elections.

She terrifies many people, and I love it.

On topic-Boston has elected its first female mayor, and first Asian mayor at that. Interesting, but I also get the feeling Michelle Wu has greater political ambition than mayor of Boston.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:20 am

FGITD wrote:

And yet here we are in a thread about elections, and AOC keeps coming up. Despite the fact that she’s only a first term rep from New York…who is completely uninvolved in this round of elections.

She terrifies many people, and I love it.



She is in her 2nd term and I love the fact she terrorizes people too. That is why VA has gone red and NJ is close and next years mid terms will be a wave election like 2010.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:37 am

Defund the police movement derailed. :)
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:44 am

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NJ: Murphy has done a good job and he'll win easily. Ciattarelli's run a terrible campaign and he's a weak candidate.

VA: A coinflip right now. Dems got freaked out with that Fox poll that gave Youngkin a big lead, but other polls have shown the race in either a dead heat or a McAuliffe small lead. The latter's run a terrible campaign, however, especially in the closing weeks. If he loses, it will be more because of that and not because of AOC and her pals. I can't stand her, but she's a non-factor for most people. On the flipside, there's been lots of early voting this election and that generally favors Democrats.


This is aging well.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:50 am

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Defund the police movement derailed. :)


Of course it did - I have been saying since summer of 2020 there is zero widespread support for that, even in MSP.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:00 am

Youngkin wins Virginia governor’s race, jolting Democrats

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... a297601baa

Glenn Youngkin won the Virginia governor’s race on Tuesday, tapping into culture war fights over schools and race to unite former President Donald Trump’s most fervent supporters with enough suburban voters to become the first Republican to win statewide office here in 12 years.

Also Winsome elected to VA Lt. Gov as first black woman in that office.
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:40 am

Opinion | Terry McAuliffe Bet on Voters Hating Trump. Turns Out They Dislike Democrats More.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ats-518716

Yeah, keep that up Dems. While you focus on Trump Hate, we will keep winning elections on matters that mean more to folks.

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