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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:36 pm

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Why?
They were fighting a race against people that wanted to use lies and racism in a state where enough people are racist enough or uneducated enough to go for it. Not an easy sell. There was also the motivational problem of younger voters. They came out and said that the 19-35 demographic skipped this election.


The schools messaging was sloppy. They didn't respond to the lies forcibly enough. Suburban women were the key and the campaign team was supposed to know that. They failed.


The issue as posted in another thread, is that these folks are watching their echo verse propaganda outlets, and are unfortunately a hard audience to reach. The DNC needs to figure a way around this echoverse, but for now, it is a very powerful misinformation machine with a lot of money behind it.


Of course - there is no easy antidote to misinformation. But McAuliffe claiming parents shouldn't be so involved in school curriculum a few days before the election is not among them :shakehead:
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:44 pm

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In exit interviews the tipping voter bloc, suburban women, have said the primary issue for them was who was better on education. Nobody cared about Pelosi or AOC. Your take is way off, but that’s understandable being out in the silver state.


Exit polls mean nothing and are unreliable. It's ok the Dems can keep up their agenda it will be so fun to watch the pundits melt down again next November.
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I stand by "squeeked". A couple of hundred votes could have turned it either way. And, who knows? Maybe there were some voting twice, which Younkin's son tried. And Democrats are not whining and not violently trying to overthrow the Virginia legislature over it. I wonder why....?



Well again you can't see the forest for the trees. The play is silence the AOCs, Schumers, Pelosi's etc. What you saw the other night will be nothing compared to whats coming. If you really want to think this loss was about some school thing it just shows how tone deaf you are to the middle of the electorate. Stop vilifying Manchin and start listening to him.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:14 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

The schools messaging was sloppy. They didn't respond to the lies forcibly enough. Suburban women were the key and the campaign team was supposed to know that. They failed.


The issue as posted in another thread, is that these folks are watching their echo verse propaganda outlets, and are unfortunately a hard audience to reach. The DNC needs to figure a way around this echoverse, but for now, it is a very powerful misinformation machine with a lot of money behind it.


Of course - there is no easy antidote to misinformation. But McAuliffe claiming parents shouldn't be so involved in school curriculum a few days before the election is not among them :shakehead:


It wasn't a great statement. However it is an inconvenient truth. Parents do not select the curriculum. The school board and state does. At private schools, the curriculum is also out of their hands.

The only way parents can truly choose it, is to stay home. Anti- CRT propaganda has been getting state laws passed by misinformed representatives. Nothing but misinformation from big dark money sources. That should tell you all you need to know about whether parents are truly choosing or not.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:19 pm

casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

The issue as posted in another thread, is that these folks are watching their echo verse propaganda outlets, and are unfortunately a hard audience to reach. The DNC needs to figure a way around this echoverse, but for now, it is a very powerful misinformation machine with a lot of money behind it.


Of course - there is no easy antidote to misinformation. But McAuliffe claiming parents shouldn't be so involved in school curriculum a few days before the election is not among them :shakehead:


It wasn't a great statement. However it is an inconvenient truth. Parents do not select the curriculum. The school board and state does. At private schools, the curriculum is also out of their hands.

The only way parents can truly choose it, is to stay home. Anti- CRT propaganda has been getting state laws passed by misinformed representatives. Nothing but misinformation from big dark money sources. That should tell you all you need to know about whether parents are truly choosing or not.


No it wasn't, and it tipped enough moms who were on the fence that he lost. Just like that.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:26 pm

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casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Of course - there is no easy antidote to misinformation. But McAuliffe claiming parents shouldn't be so involved in school curriculum a few days before the election is not among them :shakehead:


It wasn't a great statement. However it is an inconvenient truth. Parents do not select the curriculum. The school board and state does. At private schools, the curriculum is also out of their hands.

The only way parents can truly choose it, is to stay home. Anti- CRT propaganda has been getting state laws passed by misinformed representatives. Nothing but misinformation from big dark money sources. That should tell you all you need to know about whether parents are truly choosing or not.


No it wasn't, and it tipped enough moms who were on the fence that he lost. Just like that.



Yeah, it's politics, and unfortunately the GOP loves to lie enough to catch someone in a gotcha statement. Too bad their media cheerleaders don't tell both sides of the CRT strory. Might be time to start overtaking their airwaves aka Running Man to give them the whole story. But then again, that would be taking control away from those that have already lost it.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:32 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

In exit interviews the tipping voter bloc, suburban women, have said the primary issue for them was who was better on education. Nobody cared about Pelosi or AOC. Your take is way off, but that’s understandable being out in the silver state.


Exit polls mean nothing and are unreliable. It's ok the Dems can keep up their agenda it will be so fun to watch the pundits melt down again next November.
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Well again you can't see the forest for the trees. The play is silence the AOCs, Schumers, Pelosi's etc. What you saw the other night will be nothing compared to whats coming. If you really want to think this loss was about some school thing it just shows how tone deaf you are to the middle of the electorate. Stop vilifying Manchin and start listening to him.


The reason people fear Democrats so much is right wing media has tied "evil" and "socialism" and "communism" and "Democrats" and "Democratic party" all together and use them interchangeable. When questioned, follower reply with "yeah, well, they are and we need to defeat them!" and nothing more. I have heard maybe one or two people claiming things like affordable health care and affordable education are terrible things but that is about it. Literally nothing the right wing media in the United States says about socialism is accurate. THIS needs to be the talking point. THIS needs to be pushed.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:41 pm

Georgia Democrats FLIPPED 41 seats in 21 counties across Georgia last Tuesday. Nobody noticed because the media was too busy covering the Virginia election.

What this means, is that Georgia's new elections laws didn't work. Georgia is still turning blue.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:44 pm

Voter data now out shows unequivocally that McAuliffe lost VA with the stupid statement about parents and schools...81% of voters who decided in the last week before the election reported that was a significant factor in their decision.

Slide 11 of the presentation here:

https://creativedirect.net/wp-content/u ... n-Deck.pdf
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:47 pm

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Voter data now out shows unequivocally that McAuliffe lost VA with the stupid statement about parents and schools...81% of voters who decided in the last week before the election reported that was a significant factor in their decision.

Slide 11 of the presentation here:

https://creativedirect.net/wp-content/u ... n-Deck.pdf



It was stupid but true. Idiocracy... here we come.
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:38 pm

And there have been zero cries of voter fraud from anywhere around the country. I wonder how there was (allegedly) massive voter fraud November 2020 but zero in this election. It's almost as if voter fraud is dependent on Republican losses....
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:16 pm

I guess the Dems know whats coming next year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... e-n1283938
 
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Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:29 pm

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I guess the Dems know whats coming next year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... e-n1283938



So a 71 year old in San Francisco is retiring, and you think it is tea leaves for the midterms?

Did you read the article?

Her seat, California’s 14th congressional district, is considered to be very safe for Democrats.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:37 pm

casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
I guess the Dems know whats coming next year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... e-n1283938



So a 71 year old in San Francisco is retiring, and you think it is tea leaves for the midterms?

Did you read the article?

Her seat, California’s 14th congressional district, is considered to be very safe for Democrats.


I didn't say a Republican had a chance to win that district did I? I know that district is far left land and will stay Blue.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:09 pm

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I guess the Dems know whats coming next year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... e-n1283938


Rep. Speier is retiring because she represents San Mateo County and knows heavy scrutiny of Silicon Valley is on the horizon.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:23 pm

Perhaps the biggest lessons from the 2021 elections is that both Republicans and Democrats must move more toward the right-center on social and fiscal issues. That includes as to immigration, climate change mitigation, abortion, international trade and diplomatic policies, teaching of history (especially as to slavery and racial discrimination) and other areas of K-12 education, taxation and spending. Some of the Progressive agenda of Democrats won't happen, nor should the terribly flawed anti-government, libertarian polices of some Republicans. We need a new balance, less hate and division.
 
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Re: 2021 US Elections.

Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:43 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Perhaps the biggest lessons from the 2021 elections is that both Republicans and Democrats must move more toward the right-center on social and fiscal issues. That includes as to immigration, climate change mitigation, abortion, international trade and diplomatic policies, teaching of history (especially as to slavery and racial discrimination) and other areas of K-12 education, taxation and spending. Some of the Progressive agenda of Democrats won't happen, nor should the terribly flawed anti-government, libertarian polices of some Republicans. We need a new balance, less hate and division.


No the lesson of 2021 is that racism is still alive and well, and ignorance is bliss for those that like to blame others for their own incompetency in raising their kids. People do not need to go center-right on social issues as that is just a plan to drive off the edge of the cliff, while the road is going left.

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