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NIKV69 wrote:I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.
Lets discuss.
NIKV69 wrote:I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.
Lets discuss.
sierrakilo44 wrote:Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?
In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.
Aaron747 wrote:
I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.
NIKV69 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.
I think the progressive views of the country as it pertains to the economy has everyone spooked and will play somewhat in this election. We need to get a handle on inflation and less from the AOC faction of congress. If McAuliffe loses I think the Dems will have to make some hard decisions come mid terms or 2010 will look like a picnic.
phluser wrote:I wonder what percentage of voters (that voted for Biden) are now discontent with the vaccine mandates (a position championed by Biden and by Democrats as a party as a whole), who became anti-Fauci after Trump left, that such these discontent voters will vote for the Republican. I know a few in my family.
Aaron747 wrote:I expect Youngkin to prevail in VA. Not because of progressive views by out of state members of Congress though...McAuliffe has blown chances to make points recently and his mixed messaging on school policy probably lost critical independent votes.
Dieuwer wrote:No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.
Tugger wrote:Dieuwer wrote:No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.
Most in the US know it is well protected and safe. There are fringe people on either side that claim problems. The left has a problem with "the money" and elections being bought. The right has the newly created "stolen election" side that thinks the process is corrupted, even with no evidence and in fact mountains of evidence that is is safe and accurate.
Tugg
Aaron747 wrote:
This is a global economy now, and we're a huge part of it.
Dieuwer wrote:Tugger wrote:Dieuwer wrote:No matter the outcome, I think that more and more people will become disenfranchised with the voting process and will no longer believe that the process is fair and honest.
Most in the US know it is well protected and safe. There are fringe people on either side that claim problems. The left has a problem with "the money" and elections being bought. The right has the newly created "stolen election" side that thinks the process is corrupted, even with no evidence and in fact mountains of evidence that is is safe and accurate.
Tugg
Do you have any hard data on your "most" claim, or is that your personal opinion?
Both sides are now talking about election fraud: "Candidates Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin accuse each other of reinforcing election fraud theories".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-mcau ... minor_pos4
sierrakilo44 wrote:Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?
In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.
sierrakilo44 wrote:Is America stuck in a perpetual cycle of elections, fundraising for elections, mid terms, speculation of who’ll run, campaigning, analysing, off year elections.....?
In other countries it’s call an election, vote 6 weeks later, government sworn in on Monday, forget for 3 years.
NIKV69 wrote:I know it's off year and not much going on. I feel Murphy has done well in NJ (wish he was NY Governor) and will be re-elected rather easily. All eyes on Virginia as it seems the state may elect a Red Governor. I do think Biden's horrible year is playing into this election and it will be interesting to see the outcome. If Youngkin wins It will be interesting to see if the Dem party reverses course and stops with the AOC progressive stuff for it's hurting them heading into a huge mid term election next year and moving toward the middle would be the logical choice since none of their legislation has any chance at passing without Manchin and Sinema.
Lets discuss.
seb146 wrote:The interesting thing here is: Gov. Murphy actually implemented Biden's progressive agenda on a state level and it looks like he is popular and will be elected because of it.
mke717spotter wrote:A Republican hasn't won a state-wide contest in Virginia since 2009, so I still think it would be an upset if Youngkin wins. For the longest time it seems like Democrats have been running against Trump and their strategy was to tie any Republican candidates to him. Now that he's been out of office for a while and he's still off social media its not so easy to keep that up.
phatfarmlines wrote:FiveThirtyEight has projections with Youngkin at a slight lead. Curious as to what lead to the shift so close to Election Day. Is NOVA, specifically Loudoun County, driving this?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... id=rrpromo
Source: FiveThirtyEight
Tugger wrote:For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.
Tugg
bpatus297 wrote:Tugger wrote:For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.
Tugg
What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.
Tugger wrote:bpatus297 wrote:Tugger wrote:For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.
Tugg
What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.
What "wrong doing"?
And yes a few flaw, there always are.
I am not a fan of "ID at the polls" as it had not proven to be an issue (what about ID for mail in ones?) but can support with strong community engagement to get ID's issued to all that need one. That means active out reach to all communities so that people that have a harder time getting one can and will get one. No passing "ID required for next months election" crap with no support.
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bpatus297 wrote:Tugger wrote:bpatus297 wrote:
What kills me is how people just dismiss the large amount of people who feel that way. Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be to assess the situation openly, on both sides, and let everyone see what if really going on? The straight dismissal of wrong doing is only fanning the flames. I think that could go a long way to making everyone feel better about our elections, but that is assuming politicians don't want us divided. For what its worth, and I doubt what I say here will matter to some on this board, I don't think the election was stolen, but I do think we have some flaws that could be fixed.
What "wrong doing"?
And yes a few flaw, there always are.
I am not a fan of "ID at the polls" as it had not proven to be an issue (what about ID for mail in ones?) but can support with strong community engagement to get ID's issued to all that need one. That means active out reach to all communities so that people that have a harder time getting one can and will get one. No passing "ID required for next months election" crap with no support.
Tugg
I didn't say there was any wrong doing, not at the poles anyway. My grip with recent elections is with the biased reporting by the media. Every outlet has picked a side and its hard to find honest reporting on the issues and candidates.
NIKV69 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
This is a global economy now, and we're a huge part of it.
It's been that way for a long time. To pretend that it just started now is being dishonest. Biden's actions and his ideas have the country feeling very worried about what lies ahead. It has nothing to do with being a "global economy" It's why the VA race is as close as it is and it's why the Dems will suffer huge loses next year if they don't change course.
bpatus297 wrote:Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be
Tugger wrote:For those that don't trust the election process, what can be done to change that? Obviously killing the ability to gerrymander would be one thing.
Tugg
Dieuwer wrote:Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.
petertenthije wrote:bpatus297 wrote:Wouldn't the smarter, more inclusive thing to do be
The folks that believe Trump’s rambling on stolen elections are hardly the inclusive type. Interesting how all of a sudden it’s relevant.
Anyway, the solution to all of this: ban hyper partisan websites, tv stations, radio stations, social networks and so on. Which is never gonna happen.
Aaron747 wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.
You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.
Dieuwer wrote:Aaron747 wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Of course, the major issue is the flawed election system. Were there be a true Proportional Voting System (one person, one vote), gerrymandering would be pointless. Attempting to "win a state" would be pointless. Throwing money at Senatorial races would be pointless.
You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.
Yes, I abhor the district system.
Tugger wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
You’re talking about several things at once - do you mean for POTUS election? It’s essentially ‘one person, one vote’ already for Senate. For the US House, states prefer the districting system.
Yes, I abhor the district system.
Then how do you vote on certain district things, like the district representative? The whole state votes for who represents a smaller district?
Tugg
Aaron747 wrote:Not too hard to see coming. The bizarre comments from McAuliffe on parents' role in schools easily turned anyone on the fence in the suburbs. Youngkin also took pains to distance himself from Trump, because that name doesn't play well in the suburbs either.
NIKV69 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:Not too hard to see coming. The bizarre comments from McAuliffe on parents' role in schools easily turned anyone on the fence in the suburbs. Youngkin also took pains to distance himself from Trump, because that name doesn't play well in the suburbs either.
I don't think Trump played in this race much at all. I think Biden's horrible first year and McAuliffe's zany words did more to doom him. I also wouldn't have asked Kamala Harris to stump for me as she is one of the most unpopular Dems right now.
NJ surprising close.
FGITD wrote:
And yet here we are in a thread about elections, and AOC keeps coming up. Despite the fact that she’s only a first term rep from New York…who is completely uninvolved in this round of elections.
She terrifies many people, and I love it.
leader1 wrote:NJ: Murphy has done a good job and he'll win easily. Ciattarelli's run a terrible campaign and he's a weak candidate.
VA: A coinflip right now. Dems got freaked out with that Fox poll that gave Youngkin a big lead, but other polls have shown the race in either a dead heat or a McAuliffe small lead. The latter's run a terrible campaign, however, especially in the closing weeks. If he loses, it will be more because of that and not because of AOC and her pals. I can't stand her, but she's a non-factor for most people. On the flipside, there's been lots of early voting this election and that generally favors Democrats.
Elkadad313 wrote:Defund the police movement derailed.