wingman wrote:

And it's not just her, it's everyone that's captured in the release acknowledging on January 6th that the capitol was being stormed by a violent mob bent on death and insurrection (as if we all needed this after the world saw it with its own eyeballs on television) and only Trump had the power to stop it. Yet in the weeks and months that followed all of these same people claimed it was just a picnic by some God-fearing Christians hijacked by Antifa disguised as Trump bots to destroy his legacy. Nope, all of them caught out in the most monumental and consequential lie so far of 21st Century 'Murica.

Clock is ticking - we have 6-7 more months before a Republican congress buries this investigation forever. The good news is that for our children and theirs the historical fate is now sealed. The GOP has now transcended simple repugnance into something wholly more sinister. Let the record show it for eternity.

luckyone wrote:

MTG is one of those people who's scary because she's incapable of discerning between fantasy and reality -- by her own words she "allowed" herself to be convinced of things that weren't true regarding QAnon...how do we know her fervency regarding "The Big Lie" isn't similar? She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright. The trouble is, neither are a lot of voters.

NIKV69 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright. The trouble is, neither are a lot of voters.

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

luckyone wrote:

She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright.

NIKV69 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

MTG is one of those people who's scary because she's incapable of discerning between fantasy and reality -- by her own words she "allowed" herself to be convinced of things that weren't true regarding QAnon...how do we know her fervency regarding "The Big Lie" isn't similar? She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright. The trouble is, neither are a lot of voters.

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

NIKV69 wrote:

luckyone wrote:

MTG is one of those people who's scary because she's incapable of discerning between fantasy and reality -- by her own words she "allowed" herself to be convinced of things that weren't true regarding QAnon...how do we know her fervency regarding "The Big Lie" isn't similar? She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright. The trouble is, neither are a lot of voters.

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

Francoflier wrote:

luckyone wrote:

She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright.

'Not actually that bright', with regards to MTG, has to be the strongest euphemism I've read outside of a Douglas Adams novel.

casinterest wrote:

Francoflier wrote:

luckyone wrote:

She's camera friendly and really good at getting attention, but she's not actually that bright.

'Not actually that bright', with regards to MTG, has to be the strongest euphemism I've read outside of a Douglas Adams novel.

She's camera friendly in the same way a car wreck slows traffic. Horrible in many ways, but capable of people wondering , how in the ?

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

tomaheath wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

Why didn’t the doors shut?

Kent350787 wrote:

tomaheath wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

Why didn’t the doors shut?

Because they have a mechnism to stop people being accidentally trapped underneath them and crushed. They worked as designed, but perhaps the design parameters didn't anticipate a violent invasion as occurred.

skyservice_330 wrote:

A question that should be asked, but presumably the pressure/safety sensors were triggered by the chairs and other objects the insurrectionists were placing in the path of the door to prevent it from closing.

NIKV69 wrote:

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

ER757 wrote:

Not the same at all - the ones you mention support a far left agenda.

B777LRF wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

ER757 wrote:

Not the same at all - the ones you mention support a far left agenda.

I think this is a perfect illustration of how screwed up US politics have become, and how words have lost their meaning.

None of the senators you’re referring to are even remotely “far left” on any balanced scale. In fact, in most of the world they’d be considered either centre or slightly to the right o centre.

“Far-left” is where you find communism and anarchy; none of the senators mentioned are advocating anything of the kind.

But, then again, in a country where “social-democracy”, “socialism” and “communism” are often considered interchangeable, it’s hardly a surprise.

What the US does have, in abundance, is far right. Far enough that it starts smelling like fascism. That’s apparently okay, but woe betide the poor sod who dares suggesting that, maybe, universal health care is not such a bad idea.

The House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol is taking the extraordinary step of sending subpoenas to
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and four other Republican lawmakers who have rejected the panel's requests to voluntarily cooperate.

And with hearings less than a month away, the panel is facing a ticking clock to get all the information it can.

"The Select Committee has learned that several of our colleagues have information relevant to our investigation into the attack on January 6th and
the events leading up to it," the panel's chairman, Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, said in a statement. "Before we hold our hearings
next month, we wished to provide members the opportunity to discuss these matters with the committee voluntarily."
"Regrettably, the individuals receiving subpoenas today have refused and we're forced to take this step to help ensure the committee uncovers
facts concerning January 6th," he continued. "We urge our colleagues to comply with the law, do their patriotic duty, and cooperate with our investigation
as hundreds of other witnesses have done."

The filing also describes the direct role of Trump himself in developing strategy, detailing “two hand-written notes from former President Trump about information that he thought might be useful for the anticipated litigation.” Those notes are among the documents Eastman is seeking to shield via attorney-client privilege. Eastman said he would also speak directly with Trump by phone throughout his legal challenges to the election.

Eastman argues in his new filing that Carter’s earlier ruling was flawed and that multiple attorneys in Trump’s orbit had a genuine belief the election results were illegitimate. That belief, he said, should not be the basis for a finding of criminality, even if it turned out to be wrong.

Eastman’s filing says he was hired by Trump two months before the Nov. 3 election when he was invited by Trump attorney Cleta Mitchell “to join an Election Integrity Working Group to begin preparing for anticipated litigation.” Things “kicked into high gear” when he was asked to meet with a team in Philadelphia four days after the election to help prepare an election challenge, the filing says

Then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows burned papers in his office after meeting with a House Republican who was working to challenge the 2020 election, according to testimony the Jan. 6 select committee has heard from one of his former aides.

The select committee has also revealed that Meadows and Perry took steps to conceal some of their communications after the election. For example, in a Dec. 2020 text message exchange the committee included in an April court filing, Perry told Meadows he had “just sent you something on Signal,” referring to the encrypted messaging app popular with journalists and government officials.

If the high court were to decide not to take up the issue at all, according to the email, scenarios could play out in which Pelosi or Pence were elected acting president by Congress.

"It doesn't seem fanciful to think that Trump and Pence would end up winning the vote after some legislatures appoint electors," Chesebro concluded.

Notably, the attorney told Guiliani that he thought any of these unprecedented and relatively unstable outcomes seemed "preferable" to allowing the normal vote certification process to proceed and having Pence preside over what Chesebro called the "charade" of a Biden victory.

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

B777LRF wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Same argument applies to Sen Warren, AOC and Bernie. Fringe voters give you fringe candidates.

ER757 wrote:

Not the same at all - the ones you mention support a far left agenda.

I think this is a perfect illustration of how screwed up US politics have become, and how words have lost their meaning.

None of the senators you’re referring to are even remotely “far left” on any balanced scale. In fact, in most of the world they’d be considered either centre or slightly to the right o centre.

“Far-left” is where you find communism and anarchy; none of the senators mentioned are advocating anything of the kind.

But, then again, in a country where “social-democracy”, “socialism” and “communism” are often considered interchangeable, it’s hardly a surprise.

What the US does have, in abundance, is far right. Far enough that it starts smelling like fascism. That’s apparently okay, but woe betide the poor sod who dares suggesting that, maybe, universal health care is not such a bad idea.

LCDFlight wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

Yeah, I mean it is chilling, but that is exactly what properly trained building security forces are trained to handle.

The police simply were not well trained and were not able to perform basic job duties. They failed. The Us Capitol Police is like 2,000 strong! As much as I dislike vagrants and bums rushing into a building, it does happen and that is exactly why the Capitol Police were organized in the first place. They are very well armed and should have easily repelled the attack.

Charlottesville, annoying people doing annoying things but most of it was legal. I don’t think it was that noteworthy.

Violence erupted in the college town of Charlottesville on Aug. 12 after hundreds of white nationalists and their supporters who gathered for a rally over plans to remove a Confederate statue were met by counter-protesters, leading Virginia’s governor to declare a state of emergency.

Clashes broke out between the white nationalists and counter-protesters; the “Unite the Right” rally at a park once named for Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee was deemed unlawful. At one point in the afternoon, a vehicle drove into a crowd of counter-protesters marching through the downtown area before speeding away, resulting in one death and leaving more than a dozen others injured. State police later reported the crash of a helicopter that was monitoring the events in Charlottesville, killing two troopers.

casinterest wrote:

LCDFlight wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Security footage from the day captures the moment that Capitol police officers attempted to retreat while pursued and hunted down by the insurrectionists, who impeded their efforts and threw things at them…chilling.

https://twitter.com/macfarlanenews/status/1519831579408965632?s=21&t=6674wdwBwuJX9z1O-_6CRQ

Yeah, I mean it is chilling, but that is exactly what properly trained building security forces are trained to handle.

The police simply were not well trained and were not able to perform basic job duties. They failed. The Us Capitol Police is like 2,000 strong! As much as I dislike vagrants and bums rushing into a building, it does happen and that is exactly why the Capitol Police were organized in the first place. They are very well armed and should have easily repelled the attack.

Charlottesville, annoying people doing annoying things but most of it was legal. I don’t think it was that noteworthy.

The police were well trained. They just had issues handling a mob unleashed by Trump and his dishonorable rally. They had called for national guard backup and were denied.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/timel ... o-capitol/
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... ial-523777



Charlottesville was not "annoying people" They were racist nationalists attempting to defend statues of people fighting for the right to own slaves.

https://time.com/charlottesville-white- ... y-clashes/

Violence erupted in the college town of Charlottesville on Aug. 12 after hundreds of white nationalists and their supporters who gathered for a rally over plans to remove a Confederate statue were met by counter-protesters, leading Virginia’s governor to declare a state of emergency.

Clashes broke out between the white nationalists and counter-protesters; the “Unite the Right” rally at a park once named for Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee was deemed unlawful. At one point in the afternoon, a vehicle drove into a crowd of counter-protesters marching through the downtown area before speeding away, resulting in one death and leaving more than a dozen others injured. State police later reported the crash of a helicopter that was monitoring the events in Charlottesville, killing two troopers.

LCDFlight wrote:

casinterest wrote:

LCDFlight wrote:

Yeah, I mean it is chilling, but that is exactly what properly trained building security forces are trained to handle.

The police simply were not well trained and were not able to perform basic job duties. They failed. The Us Capitol Police is like 2,000 strong! As much as I dislike vagrants and bums rushing into a building, it does happen and that is exactly why the Capitol Police were organized in the first place. They are very well armed and should have easily repelled the attack.

Charlottesville, annoying people doing annoying things but most of it was legal. I don’t think it was that noteworthy.

The police were well trained. They just had issues handling a mob unleashed by Trump and his dishonorable rally. They had called for national guard backup and were denied.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/timel ... o-capitol/
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... ial-523777



Charlottesville was not "annoying people" They were racist nationalists attempting to defend statues of people fighting for the right to own slaves.

https://time.com/charlottesville-white- ... y-clashes/

Violence erupted in the college town of Charlottesville on Aug. 12 after hundreds of white nationalists and their supporters who gathered for a rally over plans to remove a Confederate statue were met by counter-protesters, leading Virginia’s governor to declare a state of emergency.

Clashes broke out between the white nationalists and counter-protesters; the “Unite the Right” rally at a park once named for Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee was deemed unlawful. At one point in the afternoon, a vehicle drove into a crowd of counter-protesters marching through the downtown area before speeding away, resulting in one death and leaving more than a dozen others injured. State police later reported the crash of a helicopter that was monitoring the events in Charlottesville, killing two troopers.

And? What are we going to do, jail them / liquidate them? They’re annoying…. move on. If you want to counter protest, do so… you have my support. But please obey the law.

“Clashes broke out” is an ambiguous phrase… assault is a criminal offense. If someone commits criminal assault, they should be arrested and sentenced to jail. On the other hand, self defense is perfectly legal. When you “clash” with a criminal attacker, you are a crime victim, not a criminal yourself.

A jury in Virginia has found a group of white nationalists who organized the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., liable of engaging in a conspiracy ahead of the violent demonstration, awarding the plaintiffs who brought the case more than $25 million in damages on Tuesday.

LCDFlight wrote:

Socialism, communism and social democracy are euphemisms for each other. It is important to read the literature for each. Socialism is a spectrum, and Communism is 100% on that spectrum.

Along with co-defendants Dominic Pezzola, Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl, Tarrio, 38, had earlier pleaded not guilty to conspiracy charges relating to the Capitol attack.

But Monday's grand jury indictment goes a step further, alleging the five men were ready "to oppose by force the authority of the government".

Charles Donohoe, a North Carolina-based Proud Boy, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and assault charges in April and agreed to cooperate with the investigation. He was not named in the new indictment.

According to the filing, Tarrio and other Proud Boys used encrypted communications to plan the attack.

They are said to have encouraged members to attend the rally on 6 January 2021, and crowd-funded online to buy protective gear and cover travel expenses to Washington DC.

A source familiar with the matter said Nick Quested, owner of Goldcrest Films, will deliver testimony during the panel's primetime hearing.

The House committee is promising to reveal stunning new details about the attack when the first of at least a half-dozen hearings kick off this week.

A senior member of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, pleaded guilty Thursday to seditious conspiracy, the most serious charge that has been leveled against individuals tied to the Jan. 6 riot.

Jeremy Bertino, of North Carolina, is the first Proud Boy to plead guilty to the charge in connection with last year's attack on the U.S. Capitol..

A court filing detailing the counts against Bertino, 43, said he "did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree" with Tarrio and group members Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl, Charles Donohoe, Dominic Pezzola and others to oppose authority of the government by force “to delay by force the execution of the laws governing the transfer of power.”

According to court documents, on Jan. 6, 2021, Barnhart was part of a mob that confronted law enforcement officers at the Archway leading into the Capitol Building from the Lower West Terrace. During the violence, at approximately 4:27 p.m., another rioter - co-defendant Jack Wade Whitton - began striking at an officer with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) with a crutch. As this was happening, Barnhart climbed over a banister and went up a set of steps leading to the Archway, towards the officer. Whitton grabbed the officer, first by his baton, then by the helmet and the neck of his ballistic vest. As he did this, Barnhart also grabbed the neck of the officer’s ballistic vest. He and Whitton, along with another rioter, then dragged the officer down the steps in a prone position and into the crowd, where other rioters beat the officer with weapons, including a flagpole and a baton. As a result of this attack, the officer sustained physical injuries, including bruising and abrasions.

Several minutes later, at approximately 4:32 p.m., Barnhart returned to the Archway, where other rioters were slamming riot shields into the line of police officers. Barnhart pushed other rioters from behind, supporting them and propelling them forward into the line of officers. He then approached the line of officers and struck at them with the base of a flagpole.

The bearded, tattooed ex-cop and I were walking to his pickup truck from federal court in D.C., where he’d just watched the sentencing of a member of the mob that beat him with a Blue Lives Matter flagpole, tased him repeatedly at the base of his skull, and nearly killed him on Jan. 6, 2021. The courthouse was a hive of supporters of Jan. 6 defendants, one of whom cursed Fanone in the courtroom, another of whom shouted at him about a conspiracy theory as he stepped away from the building. As we made our way down Pennsylvania Avenue, a man followed us, videotaping from his phone the entire time.[*]

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes has been convicted by a Washington, DC, jury of seditious conspiracy for orchestrating a far-reaching plan to stop the peaceful transfer of power after former President Donald Trump lost to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The jury has convicted Kelly Meggs of seditious conspiracy in addition to Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes.

“The FBI will always uphold the rights of all citizens who peacefully engage in First Amendment protected activities, but we and our partners will continue to hold accountable those who engaged in illegal acts regarding the January 6, 2021, siege on the U.S. Capitol," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a statement Tuesday.
US Attorney General Merrick Garland, in the same statement, reiterated the intent to hold rioters who committed crimes accountable while praising the work of the prosecutors and agents in the case.

casinterest wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/oath-keepers-trial-verdict/index.html

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes has been convicted by a Washington, DC, jury of seditious conspiracy for orchestrating a far-reaching plan to stop the peaceful transfer of power after former President Donald Trump lost to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The jury has convicted Kelly Meggs of seditious conspiracy in addition to Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes.

“The FBI will always uphold the rights of all citizens who peacefully engage in First Amendment protected activities, but we and our partners will continue to hold accountable those who engaged in illegal acts regarding the January 6, 2021, siege on the U.S. Capitol," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a statement Tuesday.
US Attorney General Merrick Garland, in the same statement, reiterated the intent to hold rioters who committed crimes accountable while praising the work of the prosecutors and agents in the case.

Big win for the seditous conspiracy charges.

The thing is, they were in a consipracy with others. Where are the next set of charges coming from? Mark Meadows, others in the Trump administration? Other groups there that day?

BN747 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/oath-keepers-trial-verdict/index.html

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes has been convicted by a Washington, DC, jury of seditious conspiracy for orchestrating a far-reaching plan to stop the peaceful transfer of power after former President Donald Trump lost to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The jury has convicted Kelly Meggs of seditious conspiracy in addition to Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes.

“The FBI will always uphold the rights of all citizens who peacefully engage in First Amendment protected activities, but we and our partners will continue to hold accountable those who engaged in illegal acts regarding the January 6, 2021, siege on the U.S. Capitol," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a statement Tuesday.
US Attorney General Merrick Garland, in the same statement, reiterated the intent to hold rioters who committed crimes accountable while praising the work of the prosecutors and agents in the case.

Big win for the seditous conspiracy charges.

The thing is, they were in a consipracy with others. Where are the next set of charges coming from? Mark Meadows, others in the Trump administration? Other groups there that day?

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I'm sure investigators know the entire chain of perps. Meadows will go down or become new Vince Foster, the pressure he's feeling (since J6) has to a pressure cooker,your kids are embarrassed daily, wife ostracized from all her former social circles, relatives suspect over all calls from the family...that shit can't be easy. And looks as weak as a man as his subservience demonstrated...even Mr Keebler, AG Sessions, as shameless and publicly emasculated...often, didn't buckle that easily and carry water that hard. As much as I hate Sessions, on J6, 2021..he would have beat Nancy to working to working the phones.

On another note, every cell phone near and in the Capitol, that was pinging on J6...is documented by various agencies..it's known who was where. And I have believe via varied security apparatus in place more details than any of us will ever know..is already known. That's what security does, gather intel.


BN747