LA alone is
Completely built out.
than half as densely populated as NYC with almost 10x the land area.
Owing entirely to NYC's much higher average structural height and total lack of terrain obstacles. There are no areas in LA county that can be considered undeveloped. It is not possible here to build something without tearing something else down first.
The entire state of California is barely even in the top 10 most densely populated states in the US (one of the least densely populated developed countries).
This is not a real point. If NJ were also full of deserts and mountains and ten times its size, it would not be in the top spot for that either.
@darksnowynight = we need to meet up at some point. Redondo rules on so many levels.
Certainly. I can PM you about that.
LA alone is less than half as densely populated as NYC with almost 10x the land area. The entire state of California is barely even in the top 10 most densely populated states in the US (one of the least densely populated developed countries). You’re nowhere close to built out.
I think what is meant is built out in a practical sense. There have been numerous coordinated growth proposals and density upzoning efforts in California municipalities the last 25 years, and most get voted down by homeowners protecting property values and/or neighborhood groups concerned about traffic and parking.
Also it's worth keeping in mind both NYC and LA are outliers among major US metropolises. NYC has Manhattan, the most dense urbanized area in the country, and LA county has five named mountain ranges, topping out at 10,000 feet. No other US metro has anything like either.
LA County has a population greater than a lot of whole nations
. You can fit Estonia, Mongolia, and Ireland into LA County's population and still have room for a Miami or two. No doubt our population would likely be close to double that if it were possible to build on the Aneles National Forest...
Anyway, yes, traffic issues are a real concern. New residences are required to provide so many spots, off street, for a start. This naturally impedes things like placing a 5 unit in a space smaller than a quarter acre.
A buddy of mine from college in LA wants to try stand-up in ORD. I'm more than willing to support him especially since DL flies LAX-ORD these days. He lives in BOS, but I'm happy to help him out. My biggest exposure to the Midwest has been MSP overall.
I do wonder what the stand-up scene in ORD is like. Out here, that was easier to break into than one might expect.
This is a thing almost everywhere west of the 405 and it's really fascinating. I used to spend a lot of time restaurant hopping from Manhattan Beach to Santa Monica on LAX spotting trips, and was always amazed at how the locals at non-chain eateries seemed like they were from the much smaller towns I was used to.
No doubt. I have lived in Pasadena in the distant past as well. I just noticed that this was a lot more pronounced in South Bay. I do think there is something about being west of 405 & south of The Valley to this overall. SM & Venice are certainly like that, but just a lot more crowded and it does seem like there are more transplants there.
In any case, yes, people are certainly very 'local loyal' here. This is probably the largest area I have lived in with the fewest Wal Marts, Subways, etc I have ever seen. It does have a very small-town feel here, and it is not uncommon for locals to refer to RB as "Springfield" for that reason.
I think that’s pretty accurate, but it’s a completely artificial problem. NIMYism isn’t unique to California, unfortunately for California though they have a lot of NIMBYism codified into law that can make development notoriously expensive and drawn out.
Why is it a problem at all?
Illegal immigrants typically have a lot of US citizen kids.
And, let's be honest: there are anchor babies from Russia and China and Kenya but no one seems to every care about that. We really should be outraged over those who come from the southern nations. Like Mexico and Guatemala and Honduras.
That is almost whataboutism. Most are from Mexico and it is ok to acknowledge that.https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... ration_02/
How much time does a five year old have to sit in a welfare office filling out forms anyway?
True. Likely not much.
The other issue there is that most undocumented immigrants do not actually want to stay
in the US after they have made what they came to make. That can be months or years, but the reality is that to most, this place is not home
and there is little incentive for them to want to raise their children here outside of asylum based reasons.
Immigration: Angry old white guys (plus their spouses, significant other, and even more so younger white people) are not having enough progeny to maintain the population. Beings competitive myself we need hard working immigrants and their kids if the US is to maintain its hegemony in the world, especially with regards to China - that alone could be reason to welcome immigrants.
Yep. I think the real proof of complicity there is the fact that these people want to build walls and hire agents all over the place, but no one wants to enforce things at the employment end. Most larger employers do use Everify, but that is almost voluntary, and it is plenty easy to pay cash to someone you know is not here legally.
If the outrage were real and there was not an addiction to cheap labor —labor not beholden to pesky things like OSHA & unionization— I am certain this 'problem' would have been cleared up —across party lines— decades ago.