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Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:16 pm

Hello all,

I was wondering how all of you felt on the forum about the covid 19 vaccines and the recent connection to potential heart problems as a side effect?
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:21 pm

Would you care to provide some source material?
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:39 pm

The virus looks to be causing issues in young athletes:
https://www.upi.com/amp/Health_News/202 ... 638224399/

The risk for myocarditis among people with COVID-19 is 16 times higher than among those without the infection, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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According to the CDC, however, there are approximately 50 cases of myocarditis for every 1 million young men vaccinated, far below the risk of myocarditis from COVID-19 itself.
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Thirty-seven of these athletes -- 2.3% -- had myocarditis related to COVID-19. What was surprising, however, was that few had symptoms.



The vaccine doesn't seem to be the big problem.
2.3% is 23,000 per million vs 50 or the virus is 460X more likely to create heart problems. That's a no brainer as some of the cases blamed on the vaccine will be due to the virus.

I had virus induced miocarditis (from before I could be vaccinated). We will all get the virus...

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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:42 pm

I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:27 pm

ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:31 pm

TriJets wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation.

Oh I know that, but that doesn't in any way negate what I said.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:37 pm

Very, very rare, but well documented.
The one that got it in my country got killed by being hit by lightning, and then hit by a crashing airplane that got him while he was falling down from a tree that he had a very rare allergic reaction to before he could die from the side-effects, unfortunately.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:49 pm

I knew this pastor that said the vaccines were the work of the devil, but now he is Dead from the virus. Too bad we won't know if the vaccine would have caused some heart issues or not.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... e-rcna7139
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:50 pm

Controlled trials are the way to demonstrate this. In pop culture, there are a lot false rumors that imply causation (I was in the military in 1982, then my liver had a problem in 2019.). Yeah, and 37 years more age on your body may also be a factor.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:59 pm

M564038 wrote:
Very, very rare, but well documented.
The one that got it in my country got killed by being hit by lightning, and then hit by a crashing airplane that got him while he was falling down from a tree that he had a very rare allergic reaction to before he could die from the side-effects, unfortunately.


The truth is, it's really more of a mixed bag. My coworker got the vaccine and within two weeks won the lottery.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:20 pm

That’s extraordinary! In fact I just checked the numbers, and it turns out that on average, everyone that wins in the lottery in my country has almost 2 doses of cov-19 vaccine! And the unvaccinated people that catched the disease and died from it, have completely stopped winning.

emperortk wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Very, very rare, but well documented.
The one that got it in my country got killed by being hit by lightning, and then hit by a crashing airplane that got him while he was falling down from a tree that he had a very rare allergic reaction to before he could die from the side-effects, unfortunately.


The truth is, it's really more of a mixed bag. My coworker got the vaccine and within two weeks won the lottery.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:33 am

ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


There is no reason to believe this is vaccine-related. Your coworker was not ‘healthy’ if they had a major coronary event - which can be caused by any number of conditions.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:31 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Controlled trials are the way to demonstrate this. In pop culture, there are a lot false rumors that imply causation (I was in the military in 1982, then my liver had a problem in 2019.). Yeah, and 37 years more age on your body may also be a factor.

Data indicate the problem is more common among younger male, according to my memory.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:35 am

ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


You know what, if people don't want to get "The Jab" then they need the encouragement to not get it. We need a modern day "Flood" the herd needs to be thinned out on this here earth right now.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:52 am

c933103 wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Controlled trials are the way to demonstrate this. In pop culture, there are a lot false rumors that imply causation (I was in the military in 1982, then my liver had a problem in 2019.). Yeah, and 37 years more age on your body may also be a factor.

Data indicate the problem is more common among younger male, according to my memory.


Young males who are athletes are at higher risk for both myocarditis and cardiac hypertrophy. Many assume they are 'fit' only by looking at the body's exterior.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:50 pm

CaptHadley wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


You know what, if people don't want to get "The Jab" then they need the encouragement to not get it. We need a modern day "Flood" the herd needs to be thinned out on this here earth right now.

That makes no sense. If people don't want to get the jab, they don't need encouragement to not get it. I agree we do need the heard to be thinned out, but not based off of vaccination status, more along the lines of an individual's IQ.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:59 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


There is no reason to believe this is vaccine-related. Your coworker was not ‘healthy’ if they had a major coronary event - which can be caused by any number of conditions.

He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:03 pm

ItnStln wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


There is no reason to believe this is vaccine-related. Your coworker was not ‘healthy’ if they had a major coronary event - which can be caused by any number of conditions.

He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.


You don't seem to understand cardiovascular events. They don't just happen when 'healthy' - while the majority are from arterial plaque, even the ones that are bolts from the blue can be from rare things that go undiagnosed like Long QT syndrome or enlarged heart muscle.

There were a couple of issues with inflammation from the J&J vaccine, but those seem to be well understood now.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:06 pm

ItnStln wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
I had a former coworker who was healthy, got the jab and had a heart attack within two weeks.


There is no reason to believe this is vaccine-related. Your coworker was not ‘healthy’ if they had a major coronary event - which can be caused by any number of conditions.

He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.

Looking at the meta data, it would seem that the greatest risk factor in your circle...is being acquainted with you.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:07 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

There is no reason to believe this is vaccine-related. Your coworker was not ‘healthy’ if they had a major coronary event - which can be caused by any number of conditions.

He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.


You don't seem to understand cardiovascular events. They don't just happen when 'healthy' - while the majority are from arterial plaque, even the ones that are bolts from the blue can be from rare things that go undiagnosed like Long QT syndrome or enlarged heart muscle.

There were a couple of issues with inflammation from the J&J vaccine, but those seem to be well understood now.

It is you who don't seem to understand. His wife had an autopsy done, no arterial plaque, so your assumption that I am wrong is, ironically, wrong! Given his line of work, any heart problems would have been detected long before he got the jab. How about you come back to me after you become a cardiologist like my friend's wife, interesting enough, is.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:13 pm

ItnStln wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.


You don't seem to understand cardiovascular events. They don't just happen when 'healthy' - while the majority are from arterial plaque, even the ones that are bolts from the blue can be from rare things that go undiagnosed like Long QT syndrome or enlarged heart muscle.

There were a couple of issues with inflammation from the J&J vaccine, but those seem to be well understood now.

It is you who don't seem to understand. His wife had an autopsy done, no arterial plaque, so your assumption that I am wrong is, ironically, wrong! Given his line of work, any heart problems would have been detected long before he got the jab. How about you come back to me after you become a cardiologist like my friend's wife, interesting enough, is.


And the autopsy showed the COD was runaway cellular damage from the vaccine? :sarcastic:

Incidentally my aunt is also a cardiologist - I frequently cite her teachings on these topics. She works at Stanford - where does your friend’s wife work?
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:20 pm

ItnStln wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
ItnStln wrote:
He was healthy, and had no physical issues until after he got the jab due to a work requirement. I know of at least 2 other similar instances that just so happened to have happened within 2 weeks of getting the jab. Coincidence? I don't think so, but I do know correlation does not equal causation. But it's something that needs to be looked into.


You don't seem to understand cardiovascular events. They don't just happen when 'healthy' - while the majority are from arterial plaque, even the ones that are bolts from the blue can be from rare things that go undiagnosed like Long QT syndrome or enlarged heart muscle.

There were a couple of issues with inflammation from the J&J vaccine, but those seem to be well understood now.

It is you who don't seem to understand. His wife had an autopsy done, no arterial plaque, so your assumption that I am wrong is, ironically, wrong! Given his line of work, any heart problems would have been detected long before he got the jab. How about you come back to me after you become a cardiologist like my friend's wife, interesting enough, is.

Episodic arrhythmia would not be detected unless the patient was hooked up to an EKG at the time of the event. Happens often in sudden cardiac death.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:35 pm

I can only say that after the second vaccination I felt a bit unusual riding the bike if I put in very hard efforts with very high heart rates. My heart rate went higher more more quickly but also too longer to settle back down. Few other effects as well. They all lasted about a few weeks and I purposely then kept the intensity a bit lower and kept a watch on the heart rate.

It’s okay now.
 
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Re: Covid Vaccine and Virus - Heart problems

Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:33 pm

I have unvaccinated adult family members that refuse to take the vaccine largely because they feel it is unsafe. Period. Risk of heart issues, heart attacks, blood clots and increased inflammation. Example, one vaxxed member got a heart attack six months after his heart attack. Unvaxxed member is convinced heart attack of the other family member who was vaxxed was caused by the vaccine, as a functional medicine doctor chimed in the issue was the vaccine. Now the vaxxed family member is in belief and won't get the booster. It seems naturopaths, functional, integrative medicine specialists to regular chiropractors are not taking the vaccine unless forced. They all have stories of friends/family members that had issues with the vaccine.

What I find odd is the few Republicans that are the leading opposition to administration are not fighting the point that the vaccines are unsafe, or the existence of vaccine injury. Largely because it was Trump's vaccines. But instead they fight on about mask wearing and Fauci, on issues like Fauci being the "expert" while they want the debate open on natural immunity, and vaccine mandates. Basically side-stepping the main point of why the un-vaxxed refuse to get vaccinated. I personally am in belief that vaccine injuries are happening more than what is being reported. But I find the un-vaxxed members of my family believe extremes such as the vaccine not being effective and citing all health issues on the vaccine to be a bit much.

Dr. Oz appears to be pro-vax. Even videos of him taking the vaccine and encouraging Wendy Williams to get vaccinated. His points of Washington failure is strange. Biden is basically promoting vaccines and not lockdowns or even additional mandates. I personally disagree with the mandates, but it seems nuanced for someone to be pro-vaccine but not pro-vaccine mandate and start a poltiical career against the Washington establishment. The lockdowns happened when Trump was in office but it was governors, including some Republican ones, that issued the lockdowns, not Washington.

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