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Re: California governor says he will use legal tactics of Texas abortion ban to implement gun control

Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:23 am

seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
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Or, like the Texas law, hold those who aid and abet murder accountable. Smith & Wesson, private sellers, or even legitimate gun owners who claim they didn't know it was a third party sale.

And, as with guns, abortion is settled law. It was settled in 1973. I don't know why righties are trying to overturn settled law. Automatic and semi-automatic weapons are not covered in 2A when the Founding Fathers passed the Constitution, either, so there is that argument against many of today's weapons.



Lots of settled law has been overturned, there was no right to abortion prior to Roe, pretty much made up. Dried Scott was overturned by Board of Education. 2A doesn’t pose any limits on types of arms unless you want the 1A to be overturned because we now have the Internet that wasn’t covered by the 1A.

Would you approve of a law allowing suits against auto manufacturers when there’s a fatal accident and the car wasn’t unsafely designed?


This is why auto manufacturers issue recalls. Has nothing to do with weapons that can take out 20+ people in less than 3 minutes. We need to end private sales period and enforce other laws on the books like ending straw purchases, like what happened in Michigan.

IIRC, the right keeps whining about "stop trying to overturn settled law" any time there is a challenge to any gun law. Brown v. Board is settled law. Roe v. Wade is settled law. Voting Rights Act of 1965 was settled law. If Republicans can overturn settled law to get their way, why not challenge settled law to keep large numbers of people from being killed?

2A has zero to do with 1A in any way.
Wrong, if firearms that weren't invented two hundred years ago aren't covered by the 2A, then forms of communication not invented by then (internet, radio, TV, microphones, etc.) aren't covered by the First. But your whole premise is wrong. The government isn't giving you any of these rights, the Bill of Rights is just affirming that these are natural rights that the government won't infringe on.
 
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Re: California governor says he will use legal tactics of Texas abortion ban to implement gun control

Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:08 am

johns624 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:


Lots of settled law has been overturned, there was no right to abortion prior to Roe, pretty much made up. Dried Scott was overturned by Board of Education. 2A doesn’t pose any limits on types of arms unless you want the 1A to be overturned because we now have the Internet that wasn’t covered by the 1A.

Would you approve of a law allowing suits against auto manufacturers when there’s a fatal accident and the car wasn’t unsafely designed?


This is why auto manufacturers issue recalls. Has nothing to do with weapons that can take out 20+ people in less than 3 minutes. We need to end private sales period and enforce other laws on the books like ending straw purchases, like what happened in Michigan.

IIRC, the right keeps whining about "stop trying to overturn settled law" any time there is a challenge to any gun law. Brown v. Board is settled law. Roe v. Wade is settled law. Voting Rights Act of 1965 was settled law. If Republicans can overturn settled law to get their way, why not challenge settled law to keep large numbers of people from being killed?

2A has zero to do with 1A in any way.
Wrong, if firearms that weren't invented two hundred years ago aren't covered by the 2A, then forms of communication not invented by then (internet, radio, TV, microphones, etc.) aren't covered by the First. But your whole premise is wrong. The government isn't giving you any of these rights, the Bill of Rights is just affirming that these are natural rights that the government won't infringe on.

Nitpick, the bill of rights lays out natural rights. All have been infringed upon at various times in our history.

If people do not like something in the bill if rights, there is a process to change the Constitution. It is the bedrock of our government legitimacy. There is a reason the military swears to protect the Constitution, for if a government does not follow it, they lose the mandate of the people.

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