https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/business ... index.html

Literally 2 days ago he was advocating for removing the mask mandate on planes, as he considers them a "safe" environment.

His positive test shows why CEO's should NOT be giving health advice or making health related decisions.

Did he get covid on an airplane? If not, what's what's connection between him advocating for the mask mandate to be removed and getting covid?

Is he vaccinated? If so, why does it matter if he tested positive anyways?

I've never understood the argument that getting covid means you can't have an opinion on the politics around it.

SoCalPilot wrote:

Did he get covid on an airplane? If not, what's what's connection between him advocating for the mask mandate to be removed and getting covid?

Is he vaccinated? If so, why does it matter if he tested positive anyways?

I've never understood the argument that getting covid means you can't have an opinion on the politics around it.

Whether or not he contracted COVID is irrelevant - for a leader and public face he is making highly irresponsible public pronouncements that run counter to prevailing medical advice.

This whole plane thing has me puzzled. In the height of the pandemic, I was in casinos a good amount of the time and even though we had masks, plexiglass and casinos change the air more times than most indoor venues I think the biggest factor in keeping infection low was temping people at the door so nobody could enter with a temperature. We saw how many instances of people having covid boarding an aircraft because they were not being temped. I would think anyone in the airline biz would welcome masks inflight. I am not sure where he gets they are the safest indoor place. It's a germ factory once you close that door and you can't change that air.

Big deal, everyone has either knowingly or unknowingly had it, just get on with it and keep on going.

dmg626 wrote:

Big deal, everyone has either knowingly or unknowingly had it, just get on with it and keep on going.

This opinion is not remotely consistent with public health/medical consensus.

aden23 wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/business/southwest-ceo-covid/index.html

Literally 2 days ago he was advocating for removing the mask mandate on planes, as he considers them a "safe" environment.

His positive test shows why CEO's should NOT be giving health advice or making health related decisions.

Trying to stop COVID on planes with a mask, is like trying to stop urine in a swimming pool using a Speedo.

Redd wrote:

aden23 wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/business/southwest-ceo-covid/index.html

Literally 2 days ago he was advocating for removing the mask mandate on planes, as he considers them a "safe" environment.

His positive test shows why CEO's should NOT be giving health advice or making health related decisions.

Trying to stop COVID on planes with a mask, is like trying to stop urine in a swimming pool using a Speedo.

Mmm not exactly - masks do a very good job of preventing aerosol dispersal, unlike trying to stop one liquid from dispersing within another.

Putting his comments aside for a moment, I do find it a bit annoying that every public figure who tests positive to Covid is having a news story written about them and being discussed over internet message boards.

Kelly is double vaccinated plus booster. He’s going to be fine.

Seriously are we going to have a thread like this every time a public figure tests positive? With the way the virus is headed transmission looks easier but symptoms look milder.

Having Covid after being double vaxxed and boosted is not the same as getting it in March 2020.

Forgive me for laughing!

NIKV69 wrote:

This whole plane thing has me puzzled. In the height of the pandemic, I was in casinos a good amount of the time and even though we had masks, plexiglass and casinos change the air more times than most indoor venues I think the biggest factor in keeping infection low was temping people at the door so nobody could enter with a temperature. We saw how many instances of people having covid boarding an aircraft because they were not being temped. I would think anyone in the airline biz would welcome masks inflight. I am not sure where he gets they are the safest indoor place. It's a germ factory once you close that door and you can't change that air.

I saw on the news the other day airplanes in flight are extremely safe because the circulation is superior even bringing in some outside air into the cabin during flight and with the hepa filters on the airplane which filter out particles smaller than a virus. The issue is on the ground. I think requiring masks only at the airport and onboard anytime the aircraft is not airborne would be something to consider.

afcjets wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

This whole plane thing has me puzzled. In the height of the pandemic, I was in casinos a good amount of the time and even though we had masks, plexiglass and casinos change the air more times than most indoor venues I think the biggest factor in keeping infection low was temping people at the door so nobody could enter with a temperature. We saw how many instances of people having covid boarding an aircraft because they were not being temped. I would think anyone in the airline biz would welcome masks inflight. I am not sure where he gets they are the safest indoor place. It's a germ factory once you close that door and you can't change that air.

I saw on the news the other day airplanes in flight are extremely safe because the circulation is superior even bringing in some outside air into the cabin during flight and with the hepa filters on the airplane which filter out particles smaller than a virus. The issue is on the ground. I think requiring masks only at the airport and onboard anytime the aircraft is not airborne would be something to consider.

In a full coach cabin where you are packed like sardine or even FC you should wear a mask and sanitizing hands every 30 mins. All it takes is one person to have it. I am not saying whether to mandate it or not but I am flying next week and I will be wearing a mask the whole time I am at airport and in air.

Aaron747 wrote:

dmg626 wrote:

Big deal, everyone has either knowingly or unknowingly had it, just get on with it and keep on going.

This opinion is not remotely consistent with public health/medical consensus.

The “big deal” is that person x has it, move along, nothing to see here

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/586560-fauci-says-mask-wearing-on-planes-could-be-here

You were saying?

KAUSpilot wrote:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/586560-fauci-says-mask-wearing-on-planes-could-be-here

You were saying?

Sounds like he was still answering in the context of COVID messaging and ignored the post-pandemic part. If you’ve ever worked a singular issue for a year-plus that kind of brainlock is relatable.

“Even though you have a good filtration system, I still believe that masks are a prudent thing to do, and we should be doing it,” he added.

Dr Fauci

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... ld-be-here

Does anyone know how successful wearing masks on planes is in curbing infection? Is it 90%? 50%? 10%? If wearing a mask reduces infection by 90%, is it prudent to wear a mask? What about if it reduces infection by 10%? Does any amount of reduction in risk warrant taking steps to reduce the risk?

Aaron747 wrote:

SoCalPilot wrote:

Did he get covid on an airplane? If not, what's what's connection between him advocating for the mask mandate to be removed and getting covid?

Is he vaccinated? If so, why does it matter if he tested positive anyways?

I've never understood the argument that getting covid means you can't have an opinion on the politics around it.

Whether or not he contracted COVID is irrelevant - for a leader and public face he is making highly irresponsible public pronouncements that run counter to prevailing medical advice.

Then people ask where to find up to date, accurate information and when presented with sources, they say “Oh. like I can trust the CDC or WHO because they’re just furthering an agenda.” They’re completely incapable of understanding that science doesn’t have an agenda, they’re actually trying to save life’s, it’s the politicians who’ve told these people to believe there’s an agenda and they buy it without a single second thought. It’s sad and pathetic.

Their entire world consists of simplistic interment memes. Their reality is like a bad movie. Endless conspiracies, paranoia and a profound level of ignorance to boot. I think reality scares these people and it helps them to think major disasters are manmade because that means we’re still in control. They’re cowards. Notice how whenever something truly heinous happens, they’ll just go straight to denying it. Sandy Hook? Instead of dealing with reality and accepting that we live in a world with horrific violence, let’s bury our heads in the sand and say it’s a false flag.

CitizenJustin wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

SoCalPilot wrote:

Did he get covid on an airplane? If not, what's what's connection between him advocating for the mask mandate to be removed and getting covid?

Is he vaccinated? If so, why does it matter if he tested positive anyways?

I've never understood the argument that getting covid means you can't have an opinion on the politics around it.

Whether or not he contracted COVID is irrelevant - for a leader and public face he is making highly irresponsible public pronouncements that run counter to prevailing medical advice.

Then people ask where to find up to date, accurate information and when presented with sources, they say “Oh. like I can trust the CDC or WHO because they’re just furthering an agenda.” They’re completely incapable of understanding that science doesn’t have an agenda, they’re actually trying to save life’s, it’s the politicians who’ve told these people to believe there’s an agenda and they buy it without a single second thought. It’s sad and pathetic.

Their entire world consists of simplistic interment memes. Their reality is like a bad movie. Endless conspiracies, paranoia and a profound level of ignorance to boot. I think reality scares these people and it helps them to think major disasters are manmade because that means we’re still in control. They’re cowards. Notice how whenever something truly heinous happens, they’ll just go straight to denying it. Sandy Hook? Instead of dealing with reality and accepting that we live in a world with horrific violence, let’s bury our heads in the sand and say it’s a false flag.

There are people who just use their common sense. In just about every country in the western world right now, there are more infections than at this same time last year despite most countries being around 75% vaxxed, lockdowns, mask wearing. Much fewer people are dying, but on the whole more are contracting Covid.

And the fact that many fold less people are dying is hard to attribute solely to the vaccine. People started taking precautions with their health, supplementing vitamin D and C, Omicron is what people are getting sick with, and it's not much deadlier than the common cold or flu from what we're seeing at the moment, and finally, doctors are starting to treat people sick with Covid, which wasn't happening last year or earlier this year. So people are getting treatment instead of sitting at home until it gets so bad that they go to the hospital, get hooked up to a ventilator and die. Early treatment is saving lives for the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

So you blame people for being skeptical? More people are vaccinated now, and also more people are contracting Covid than at any time before there was even a vaccine.

People are going nuts, I'm seeing people alone outside wearing masks (just nuts), alone in their cars wearing masks (even more nuts), people who've had the booster, are in general good fitness and health not wanting to meet with family for Christmas because their paranoid about getting the Covid. The vaccine cheerleaders completely ignoring the negative side effects and deaths caused by the vaccine, and expecting everyone to take the risk, even when people's risk of covid deaths are practically nill.

You guys just need to concentrate on yourselves, if you think that the only way to be healthy is to pump yourself up with a covid vaccine every 6 months for the rest of your lives, think the immune system is a conspiracy theory, think that the many proven effective treatments for covid are bonkers, then just keep your mouth shut and stop telling people what to do. It's facking annoying.

Redd wrote:

CitizenJustin wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

Whether or not he contracted COVID is irrelevant - for a leader and public face he is making highly irresponsible public pronouncements that run counter to prevailing medical advice.

Then people ask where to find up to date, accurate information and when presented with sources, they say “Oh. like I can trust the CDC or WHO because they’re just furthering an agenda.” They’re completely incapable of understanding that science doesn’t have an agenda, they’re actually trying to save life’s, it’s the politicians who’ve told these people to believe there’s an agenda and they buy it without a single second thought. It’s sad and pathetic.

Their entire world consists of simplistic interment memes. Their reality is like a bad movie. Endless conspiracies, paranoia and a profound level of ignorance to boot. I think reality scares these people and it helps them to think major disasters are manmade because that means we’re still in control. They’re cowards. Notice how whenever something truly heinous happens, they’ll just go straight to denying it. Sandy Hook? Instead of dealing with reality and accepting that we live in a world with horrific violence, let’s bury our heads in the sand and say it’s a false flag.

There are people who just use their common sense. In just about every country in the western world right now, there are more infections than at this same time last year despite most countries being around 75% vaxxed, lockdowns, mask wearing. Much fewer people are dying, but on the whole more are contracting Covid.

And the fact that many fold less people are dying is hard to attribute solely to the vaccine. People started taking precautions with their health, supplementing vitamin D and C, Omicron is what people are getting sick with, and it's not much deadlier than the common cold or flu from what we're seeing at the moment, and finally, doctors are starting to treat people sick with Covid, which wasn't happening last year or earlier this year. So people are getting treatment instead of sitting at home until it gets so bad that they go to the hospital, get hooked up to a ventilator and die. Early treatment is saving lives for the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

So you blame people for being skeptical? More people are vaccinated now, and also more people are contracting Covid than at any time before there was even a vaccine.

People are going nuts, I'm seeing people alone outside wearing masks (just nuts), alone in their cars wearing masks (even more nuts), people who've had the booster, are in general good fitness and health not wanting to meet with family for Christmas because their paranoid about getting the Covid. The vaccine cheerleaders completely ignoring the negative side effects and deaths caused by the vaccine, and expecting everyone to take the risk, even when people's risk of covid deaths are practically nill.

You guys just need to concentrate on yourselves, if you think that the only way to be healthy is to pump yourself up with a covid vaccine every 6 months for the rest of your lives, think the immune system is a conspiracy theory, think that the many proven effective treatments for covid are bonkers, then just keep your mouth shut and stop telling people what to do. It's facking annoying.

In another thread, it was difficult for you to come up with sources substantiating that the vaccine has verifiably caused deaths in large numbers. Has anything changed?

Aaron747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

CitizenJustin wrote:

Then people ask where to find up to date, accurate information and when presented with sources, they say “Oh. like I can trust the CDC or WHO because they’re just furthering an agenda.” They’re completely incapable of understanding that science doesn’t have an agenda, they’re actually trying to save life’s, it’s the politicians who’ve told these people to believe there’s an agenda and they buy it without a single second thought. It’s sad and pathetic.

Their entire world consists of simplistic interment memes. Their reality is like a bad movie. Endless conspiracies, paranoia and a profound level of ignorance to boot. I think reality scares these people and it helps them to think major disasters are manmade because that means we’re still in control. They’re cowards. Notice how whenever something truly heinous happens, they’ll just go straight to denying it. Sandy Hook? Instead of dealing with reality and accepting that we live in a world with horrific violence, let’s bury our heads in the sand and say it’s a false flag.

There are people who just use their common sense. In just about every country in the western world right now, there are more infections than at this same time last year despite most countries being around 75% vaxxed, lockdowns, mask wearing. Much fewer people are dying, but on the whole more are contracting Covid.

And the fact that many fold less people are dying is hard to attribute solely to the vaccine. People started taking precautions with their health, supplementing vitamin D and C, Omicron is what people are getting sick with, and it's not much deadlier than the common cold or flu from what we're seeing at the moment, and finally, doctors are starting to treat people sick with Covid, which wasn't happening last year or earlier this year. So people are getting treatment instead of sitting at home until it gets so bad that they go to the hospital, get hooked up to a ventilator and die. Early treatment is saving lives for the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

So you blame people for being skeptical? More people are vaccinated now, and also more people are contracting Covid than at any time before there was even a vaccine.

People are going nuts, I'm seeing people alone outside wearing masks (just nuts), alone in their cars wearing masks (even more nuts), people who've had the booster, are in general good fitness and health not wanting to meet with family for Christmas because their paranoid about getting the Covid. The vaccine cheerleaders completely ignoring the negative side effects and deaths caused by the vaccine, and expecting everyone to take the risk, even when people's risk of covid deaths are practically nill.

You guys just need to concentrate on yourselves, if you think that the only way to be healthy is to pump yourself up with a covid vaccine every 6 months for the rest of your lives, think the immune system is a conspiracy theory, think that the many proven effective treatments for covid are bonkers, then just keep your mouth shut and stop telling people what to do. It's facking annoying.

In another thread, it was difficult for you to come up with sources substantiating that the vaccine has verifiably caused deaths in large numbers. Has anything changed?

I had no such problem.

And in this case, just google "Covid cases (country)" and you'll see the graph and the numbers. Higher in almost every country. The only country that had less cases than at the same time last year, from what I've checked, is Portugal.

You refuse to look at the facts, has anything changed?

Redd wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

There are people who just use their common sense. In just about every country in the western world right now, there are more infections than at this same time last year despite most countries being around 75% vaxxed, lockdowns, mask wearing. Much fewer people are dying, but on the whole more are contracting Covid.

And the fact that many fold less people are dying is hard to attribute solely to the vaccine. People started taking precautions with their health, supplementing vitamin D and C, Omicron is what people are getting sick with, and it's not much deadlier than the common cold or flu from what we're seeing at the moment, and finally, doctors are starting to treat people sick with Covid, which wasn't happening last year or earlier this year. So people are getting treatment instead of sitting at home until it gets so bad that they go to the hospital, get hooked up to a ventilator and die. Early treatment is saving lives for the vaxxed and unvaxxed.

So you blame people for being skeptical? More people are vaccinated now, and also more people are contracting Covid than at any time before there was even a vaccine.

People are going nuts, I'm seeing people alone outside wearing masks (just nuts), alone in their cars wearing masks (even more nuts), people who've had the booster, are in general good fitness and health not wanting to meet with family for Christmas because their paranoid about getting the Covid. The vaccine cheerleaders completely ignoring the negative side effects and deaths caused by the vaccine, and expecting everyone to take the risk, even when people's risk of covid deaths are practically nill.

You guys just need to concentrate on yourselves, if you think that the only way to be healthy is to pump yourself up with a covid vaccine every 6 months for the rest of your lives, think the immune system is a conspiracy theory, think that the many proven effective treatments for covid are bonkers, then just keep your mouth shut and stop telling people what to do. It's facking annoying.

In another thread, it was difficult for you to come up with sources substantiating that the vaccine has verifiably caused deaths in large numbers. Has anything changed?

I had no such problem.

And in this case, just google "Covid cases (country)" and you'll see the graph and the numbers. Higher in almost every country. The only country that had less cases than at the same time last year, from what I've checked, is Portugal.

You refuse to look at the facts, has anything changed?

I recall differently, especially when presented the bell curve on cardiac events in highly active/sedentary individuals.

I wasn't talking about the number of cases. It's a given that a more transmissible variant will see large numbers of cases, especially with immunity waning in a matter of months. What matters is what percentage of those are impacting the healthcare system with severe illness, and this is nothing like Delta by the numbers.

Aaron747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

In another thread, it was difficult for you to come up with sources substantiating that the vaccine has verifiably caused deaths in large numbers. Has anything changed?

I had no such problem.

And in this case, just google "Covid cases (country)" and you'll see the graph and the numbers. Higher in almost every country. The only country that had less cases than at the same time last year, from what I've checked, is Portugal.

You refuse to look at the facts, has anything changed?

I recall differently, especially when presented the bell curve on cardiac events in highly active/sedentary individuals.

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Someone put together a list of all the athletes that have died this year from sudden cardiac events. The yearly average is about 110, this year, last I checked, it was 177. I'll try to find that list for you. That's almost 40% more than average.

You're also ignoring all the live athletes that are now living with life changing and career ending myocarditis. You didn't, as I recall, even acknowledge that statement.

Redd wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

I had no such problem.

And in this case, just google "Covid cases (country)" and you'll see the graph and the numbers. Higher in almost every country. The only country that had less cases than at the same time last year, from what I've checked, is Portugal.

You refuse to look at the facts, has anything changed?

I recall differently, especially when presented the bell curve on cardiac events in highly active/sedentary individuals.

.

Someone put together a list of all the athletes that have died this year from sudden cardiac events. The yearly average is about 110, this year, last I checked, it was 177. I'll try to find that list for you. That's almost 40% more than average.

You're also ignoring all the live athletes that are now living with life changing and career ending myocarditis. You didn't, as I recall, even acknowledge that statement.

I most certainly did - I noted at the time that without knowing exactly who had previously recovered from COVID versus those who received vaccine-only, the stats are meaningless, as COVID confers a high likelihood of developing cardiac symptoms.

Clearly some posters here who are not well versed in science or virology.