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Zeppi
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:48 am

zkojq wrote:
Can someone explain to me how he managed to turn this into "an attack on Serbia" (his words, not mine) and how so many Serbians seem to have taken it as such? Can't imagine Federer or Nadal turning a visa issue into a rallying cry for Swiss or Spanish nationalism?


Factual explaining is the wrong approach here, but you simply take any rather primitive people where nationalism, religion, superstition, spiritualism etc. is still in very high public standing, and if you just ever so slightly offend any of those it is regarded as a "collective attack", not the first time we've seen this sort of thing...

zkojq wrote:
The results of this would be interesting for sure. Again I'm doubtful that it will enhance the standing of his character.


This!

I wonder why this wasn't done first thing when he claimed the infection. He's not vaccinated, so any Covid invection less than 3 months ago can be very easily proven or disproven by a simple blood test.
All Australia needed to do: Do a voluntary blood test or go home. If the blood test proves your story you are free to come in, if it proves you lied and even forged documents you are in big legal trouble. Which he will hopefully be in anyway, as zeke said he apparently lied on his immigration form too!
He said he did not travel 14 days prior to traveling to Australia, but there are videos on social media showing him in Spain and Serbia:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2022 ... claration/

I totally feel for all Australians who really had to endure a lot during the past two years, we all have in some ways. But to let this fool bend the rules at will and then get away with it just because of being a celebrity would be a total smack in everyones face who is doing their best to help manage the pandemic.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:26 am

zkojq wrote:
Can someone explain to me how he managed to turn this into "an attack on Serbia" (his words, not mine) and how so many Serbians seem to have taken it as such? Can't imagine Federer or Nadal turning a visa issue into a rallying cry for Swiss or Spanish nationalism?

A101 wrote:
Also it is Serbian requirements that he is require 14 days of self-isolation in case COVID-19 positive which he did not do.

There is a lot of evidence to support Ministerial intervention on character grounds alone.


Agreed. Seems like an open and shut case to be honest.

zeke wrote:
If I was the Oz gov I would demand a blood sample and test for antibody levels. The antibody levels would then indicate if the Dec 16 PCR test is a forgery, if it is, that is the end of his international tennis career.


The results of this would be interesting for sure. Again I'm doubtful that it will enhance the standing of his character.


Well they have thought the world owes them a living since the 13th Century......
Some of us also remember the 1990's.
As for the berk Novax, wasn't he breaking all sorts of Covid rules before, though we have to remember that HE has the power, he says, to make dirty/infected water drinkable by his will alone.....or some other stupid shit.
I do not follow tennis closely enough to say for sure if his behavior on court is often for petulance is better or worst than some others, as some say.
 
art
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:28 am

zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


If he went to Spain and was required to declare that to Oz border force but did not, there's a pretext for cancelling his visa. It looks to me like every opportunity to prevent him being in Australia is being sought by some people (or most) in Australia.

PS About Novak testing positive in December then socialising the next day. IIRC he took a PCR test and presumably would not have had the results the next day.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:22 pm

art wrote:
zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


If he went to Spain and was required to declare that to Oz border force but did not, there's a pretext for cancelling his visa. It looks to me like every opportunity to prevent him being in Australia is being sought by some people (or most) in Australia.

PS About Novak testing positive in December then socialising the next day. IIRC he took a PCR test and presumably would not have had the results the next day.


So why wasn't this evidence presented to the judge during the hearing? That was the whole reason for the hearing in the first place right?

Team Oz: We believe Novak should not be allowed into Australia because......
Team Novak: We believe Novak should be allowed into Australia because.....

They can then trash out the arguments in front of the judge and the judge makes the final call at the end of all submissions. I mean, I couldn't give a rat's arse if he is deported or not, but it shows some sloppy fact checking on the side of Team Oz. They knew this was going to be a high profile case and those social media posts have been up there for a while. If they wanted to catch him out on a technicality, they should have presented everything in front of the presiding judge. Team Novak would then have had the opportunity to explain/rebut.

Now, this is all being fought out in the media. As I said previously, Australia is in a no-win situation here.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:25 pm

art wrote:
zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


If he went to Spain and was required to declare that to Oz border force but did not, there's a pretext for cancelling his visa. It looks to me like every opportunity to prevent him being in Australia is being sought by some people (or most) in Australia.

PS About Novak testing positive in December then socialising the next day. IIRC he took a PCR test and presumably would not have had the results the next day.

Per the Sydney Morning Herald he got the result 8pm the day he took the test.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:42 pm

luckyone wrote:
art wrote:
zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


If he went to Spain and was required to declare that to Oz border force but did not, there's a pretext for cancelling his visa. It looks to me like every opportunity to prevent him being in Australia is being sought by some people (or most) in Australia.

PS About Novak testing positive in December then socialising the next day. IIRC he took a PCR test and presumably would not have had the results the next day.

Per the Sydney Morning Herald he got the result 8pm the day he took the test.


If that is right, in my opinion he acted extremely irresponsibly to then mingle with people at a gathering, risking infecting them. Not a suitable person to be in Australia, given the lengths the country has gone to in order to reduce the spread of the virus.

Is the minister concerned having him investigated with a view to deciding whether he should be kicked out?
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:53 pm

889091 wrote:
art wrote:
zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


If he went to Spain and was required to declare that to Oz border force but did not, there's a pretext for cancelling his visa. It looks to me like every opportunity to prevent him being in Australia is being sought by some people (or most) in Australia.

PS About Novak testing positive in December then socialising the next day. IIRC he took a PCR test and presumably would not have had the results the next day.


So why wasn't this evidence presented to the judge during the hearing? That was the whole reason for the hearing in the first place right?

Team Oz: We believe Novak should not be allowed into Australia because......
Team Novak: We believe Novak should be allowed into Australia because.....

They can then trash out the arguments in front of the judge and the judge makes the final call at the end of all submissions. I mean, I couldn't give a rat's arse if he is deported or not, but it shows some sloppy fact checking on the side of Team Oz. They knew this was going to be a high profile case and those social media posts have been up there for a while. If they wanted to catch him out on a technicality, they should have presented everything in front of the presiding judge. Team Novak would then have had the opportunity to explain/rebut.

Now, this is all being fought out in the media. As I said previously, Australia is in a no-win situation here.

It’s my understanding that the whole and only legal question was whether he was given enough time to contact his attorneys at the airport before the visa was revoked. Nothing beyond that was technically argued in court.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:54 pm

Meanwhile can we slag on Nick Kyrgios a bit? He states that this has made him feel embarrassed to be a tennis player. If this is what embarrasses Nick Kyrgios…
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:05 pm

A leaked video of a couple of Melbourne news anchors slagging off Novak doing the rounds on Twitter. From the timestamp, this was pre-bulletin & was not live to air. Language warning....

https://twitter.com/MelbTigerTalk/statu ... 8893468674

Could only have come from someone recording it on their phone in the control room......

Dare say the Serbian community will probably blockade Channel 7 tomorrow.....
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:10 pm

zeke wrote:
New twist reported in the press.

Apparently there has been a failure to disclose all countries visited in the 14 days prior to arrival. There is an allegation he was in Spain during the 14 day period and this was not declared.


The minister just needs to grow a pair, declare him a 501 and kick him out.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:54 pm

Perhaps the authorities are quietly hoping that he gets bungled out in the first round and by this time next week, he should be out of the country anyway....
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:01 pm

889091 wrote:
Perhaps the authorities are quietly hoping that he gets bungled out in the first round and by this time next week, he should be out of the country anyway....

Unlikely. His magical thinking skills should not be underestimated. He will likely use this as fuel. Another scenario is they're quietly meeting with him and saying "Hey, your paperwork is still a disaster and I have grounds to dismiss it based on the six day disparity, your behavior in public, and the fact that your declaration states that you went nowhere in the 14 days prior to your arrival but the whole world can see you were in Spain. Please go home and save us all another round of chaos, or I will have to revoke your visa and you can't come back for three years."
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:40 pm

889091 wrote:
Perhaps the authorities are quietly hoping that he gets bungled out in the first round and by this time next week, he should be out of the country anyway....



It’s more likely they are getting all there ducks in a row because of the inevitable shit storm that will happen in the world press and with it throwing complications for tennis Australia needed to know his status by Tuesday, it’s now Wednesday morning in Australia

Hope it creates turmoil for Tennis Australia
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:42 pm

luckyone wrote:
889091 wrote:
Perhaps the authorities are quietly hoping that he gets bungled out in the first round and by this time next week, he should be out of the country anyway....

Unlikely. His magical thinking skills should not be underestimated. He will likely use this as fuel. Another scenario is they're quietly meeting with him and saying "Hey, your paperwork is still a disaster and I have grounds to dismiss it based on the six day disparity, your behavior in public, and the fact that your declaration states that you went nowhere in the 14 days prior to your arrival but the whole world can see you were in Spain. Please go home and save us all another round of chaos, or I will have to revoke your visa and you can't come back for three years."


I can just imagine the headlines in The Age/Herald Sun

"Novak Pulls a Hammy During Training. Forced to Withdraw from Oz Open"

That certainly would be the most 'diplomatic' solution for all parties involved. :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:53 pm

889091 wrote:
luckyone wrote:
889091 wrote:
Perhaps the authorities are quietly hoping that he gets bungled out in the first round and by this time next week, he should be out of the country anyway....

Unlikely. His magical thinking skills should not be underestimated. He will likely use this as fuel. Another scenario is they're quietly meeting with him and saying "Hey, your paperwork is still a disaster and I have grounds to dismiss it based on the six day disparity, your behavior in public, and the fact that your declaration states that you went nowhere in the 14 days prior to your arrival but the whole world can see you were in Spain. Please go home and save us all another round of chaos, or I will have to revoke your visa and you can't come back for three years."


I can just imagine the headlines in The Age/Herald Sun

"Novak Pulls a Hammy During Training. Forced to Withdraw from Oz Open"

That certainly would be the most 'diplomatic' solution for all parties involved. :stirthepot:

After five days at Melbourne’s finest hotel not training it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could have a legitimate injury.

Tennis Australia definitely deserves their share of the blame. But replacing him in the draw even at the last minute would not be an issue. It happens all the time in tennis and there will be a handful of “Lucky Losers” as they’re called in tennis that will be available from the qualifying pool to fill his spot. This can happen even if the draw has already been set. That person would just take Djokovic’s place in the draw.

The more cynical part of my mind wonders if Djokovic thinks this may be his last chance to play in Australia. He can’t keep conveniently catching COVID.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:38 pm

889091 wrote:
So why wasn't this evidence presented to the judge during the hearing? That was the whole reason for the hearing in the first place right?


The facts of the entry were not argued, just procedural fairness.

The fact he went to Spain was no r declared in the interview either.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:46 pm

Is anyone going to be surprised if he’s deported in the middle of the night and sent out on the midnight Emirates flight just to avoid any potential trouble?
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:15 pm

Such a shame that Novak has bizarre opinions that jeopardise his ability to practise his skills internationally.

Should he be allowed to stay?

For
1. Current champion in Australia's leading tennis tournament
2. ?

Against
1. Not vaccinated
2. Possibly flouted COVID isolation rules in Serbia
3. Possibly failed to declare travel movements to border force
4. ?
+ politics (sounds like kicking him out would be a popular move with Australian citizens)
 
889091
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:38 pm

zeke wrote:
889091 wrote:
So why wasn't this evidence presented to the judge during the hearing? That was the whole reason for the hearing in the first place right?


The facts of the entry were not argued, just procedural fairness.

The fact he went to Spain was no r declared in the interview either.


I think the ABF dropped the ball on this one too.

They would not have needed to trawl through his social media pages to determine that he had travelled to Spain from Serbia in the last 14 days prior to his arrival at Tullamarine, in breach of his Travel Declaration.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/la ... 0b23397223

Serbia is not within the EU. Assuming that he flew to directly to Spain from Serbia, immigration/border control at whichever Spanish airport he landed would have stamped his passport with an entry stamp to Spain/EU.

He landed at approximately 1am in Melbourne and spent the next 6-7 hours being shuffled between the interview room and the couch in the corridor. They (ABF) were so focussed on his vaccination exemption status that they didn't compare the stamps in his passport against what he declared on his Travel Declaration? If they had done so, they would have gotten him by the proverbial right there and then. His vaccination exemption problem would then be a secondary issue. :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:18 pm

889091 wrote:
zeke wrote:
889091 wrote:
So why wasn't this evidence presented to the judge during the hearing? That was the whole reason for the hearing in the first place right?


The facts of the entry were not argued, just procedural fairness.

The fact he went to Spain was no r declared in the interview either.


I think the ABF dropped the ball on this one too.

They would not have needed to trawl through his social media pages to determine that he had travelled to Spain from Serbia in the last 14 days prior to his arrival at Tullamarine, in breach of his Travel Declaration.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/la ... 0b23397223

Serbia is not within the EU. Assuming that he flew to directly to Spain from Serbia, immigration/border control at whichever Spanish airport he landed would have stamped his passport with an entry stamp to Spain/EU.

He landed at approximately 1am in Melbourne and spent the next 6-7 hours being shuffled between the interview room and the couch in the corridor. They (ABF) were so focussed on his vaccination exemption status that they didn't compare the stamps in his passport against what he declared on his Travel Declaration? If they had done so, they would have gotten him by the proverbial right there and then. His vaccination exemption problem would then be a secondary issue. :scratchchin:


Seemingly simple, but it would not be that unusual for someone who travels extensively to have more than one passport (quite legitimately). When I travelled extensively for work, I held two passports so that I could still travel while applying for a visa for an upcoming trip with the other passport.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:36 pm

scbriml wrote:
889091 wrote:
zeke wrote:

The facts of the entry were not argued, just procedural fairness.

The fact he went to Spain was no r declared in the interview either.


I think the ABF dropped the ball on this one too.

They would not have needed to trawl through his social media pages to determine that he had travelled to Spain from Serbia in the last 14 days prior to his arrival at Tullamarine, in breach of his Travel Declaration.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/la ... 0b23397223

Serbia is not within the EU. Assuming that he flew to directly to Spain from Serbia, immigration/border control at whichever Spanish airport he landed would have stamped his passport with an entry stamp to Spain/EU.

He landed at approximately 1am in Melbourne and spent the next 6-7 hours being shuffled between the interview room and the couch in the corridor. They (ABF) were so focussed on his vaccination exemption status that they didn't compare the stamps in his passport against what he declared on his Travel Declaration? If they had done so, they would have gotten him by the proverbial right there and then. His vaccination exemption problem would then be a secondary issue. :scratchchin:


Seemingly simple, but it would not be that unusual for someone who travels extensively to have more than one passport (quite legitimately). When I travelled extensively for work, I held two passports so that I could still travel while applying for a visa for an upcoming trip with the other passport.

Djokovic at one point also held a diplomatic passport (no clue if it's still valid). Would that be stamped differently if he used it?
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:45 pm

His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:12 pm

art wrote:
Such a shame that Novak has bizarre opinions that jeopardise his ability to practise his skills internationally.

Should he be allowed to stay?

For
1. Current champion in Australia's leading tennis tournament
2. ?

Against
1. Not vaccinated
2. Possibly flouted COVID isolation rules in Serbia
3. Possibly failed to declare travel movements to border force
4. ?
+ politics (sounds like kicking him out would be a popular move with Australian citizens)


4: The positive test result is highly likely fabricated. The QR code of the positive test has a different date as the rest of the positive test certificate. The date of the QR code is from 26-Dec-2021, the date of the test on the print out is from 16-Dec-2021. The test ID number of the positive test is higher (official from 16-Dec-2021, according QR code from 26-Dec-2021, 7371999) than this one from the negative test result from 22-Dec-2021 (7320919).
I am really interested, how they will try to explain these interesting facts.
If they are not able....to be fair, a 2 years ban from the international tennis will be fine. And of course a several year travel ban to Australia, he has broken many different laws. And of course, for everyone else of his team, that was involved, a 2 to 4 years ban or even a livelong ban to be part of this tennis circus.

OK, perhaps, they are able to explain it, as example, the QR code date and the test ID number are every times "new calculated", when the test is printed or the print out is requested e.g. So perhaps they have printed the negative result on 22-Dec-2022...and the positive result print out was performed on 26-Dec-2021.

Should he be allowed to stay?
Depending on the result.
In the bad case.....as long as needed and in a small room with a locked door, till a seat in the next jet to Serbia or another airport with the connection flight to Serbia is available.

Source is in German, use the Google translator.
https://www.n-tv.de/sport/Wurde-der-PCR-Test-von-Djokovic-gefaelscht-article23051183.html
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:37 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!



Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:53 pm

T4thH wrote:
art wrote:
Such a shame that Novak has bizarre opinions that jeopardise his ability to practise his skills internationally.

Should he be allowed to stay?

For
1. Current champion in Australia's leading tennis tournament
2. ?

Against
1. Not vaccinated
2. Possibly flouted COVID isolation rules in Serbia
3. Possibly failed to declare travel movements to border force
4. ?
+ politics (sounds like kicking him out would be a popular move with Australian citizens)


4: The positive test result is highly likely fabricated. The QR code of the positive test has a different date as the rest of the positive test certificate. The date of the QR code is from 26-Dec-2021, the date of the test on the print out is from 16-Dec-2021. The test ID number of the positive test is higher (official from 16-Dec-2021, according QR code from 26-Dec-2021, 7371999) than this one from the negative test result from 22-Dec-2021 (7320919).
I am really interested, how they will try to explain these interesting facts.
If they are not able....to be fair, a 2 years ban from the international tennis will be fine. And of course a several year travel ban to Australia, he has broken many different laws. And of course, for everyone else of his team, that was involved, a 2 to 4 years ban or even a livelong ban to be part of this tennis circus.

OK, perhaps, they are able to explain it, as example, the QR code date and the test ID number are every times "new calculated", when the test is printed or the print out is requested e.g. So perhaps they have printed the negative result on 22-Dec-2022...and the positive result print out was performed on 26-Dec-2021.

Should he be allowed to stay?
Depending on the result.
In the bad case.....as long as needed and in a small room with a locked door, till a seat in the next jet to Serbia or another airport with the connection flight to Serbia is available.

Source is in German, use the Google translator.
https://www.n-tv.de/sport/Wurde-der-PCR-Test-von-Djokovic-gefaelscht-article23051183.html



Yes I think there are more than enough inconsistencies that he should now be treated to a stay at Her Majesty’s hotel


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeMOqa0PbP4

Well they're calling time for exercise
'Round Her Majesty's hotel
The maid'll hose the room out while I'm gone
I never knew such luxury
Until my verdict fell
Four walls, wash basin, prison bed
Well the Bathurst riots ended
When they clubbed the rebels down
In every congregation there was silence
You can hear the Angels singin'
When Christmas comes around
Four walls, wash basin, prison bed
I love to march while some Nazi calls the time
Who'd wanna go home
Well I can't see and I can't hear
They've burnt out all the feelings
And I never been so crazy, and it's just my second year
Four walls, wash basin
Four walls, wash basin
Four walls, wash basin, prison bed

 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:30 pm

A101 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!



Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in


Most tabloids in the UK and Oceania seem to have the story.

As for Kyrgios, his sustained crazy places him barely above Djokivic in the minds of most Australians.

And sir, you are evil for traducing the memory of one of Australia's greatest bands :P
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:34 am

889091 wrote:

Serbia is not within the EU. Assuming that he flew to directly to Spain from Serbia, immigration/border control at whichever Spanish airport he landed would have stamped his passport with an entry stamp to Spain/EU.

Very few countries even stamp passports anymore...which is a pet peeve of mine!
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:35 am

Kent350787 wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!



Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in


Most tabloids in the UK and Oceania seem to have the story.

As for Kyrgios, his sustained crazy places him barely above Djokivic in the minds of most Australians.

And sir, you are evil for traducing the memory of one of Australia's greatest bands :P



No disrespect intended to the iconic classic Australian band, just meant to be as a metaphor
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:55 am

A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
A101 wrote:


Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in


Most tabloids in the UK and Oceania seem to have the story.

As for Kyrgios, his sustained crazy places him barely above Djokivic in the minds of most Australians.

And sir, you are evil for traducing the memory of one of Australia's greatest bands :P


No disrespect intended to the iconic classic Australian band, just meant to be as a metaphor


Yes, the conditions for Mr Djokovic were very far from those described by Mr Walker.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:49 am

Kent350787 wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

Most tabloids in the UK and Oceania seem to have the story.

As for Kyrgios, his sustained crazy places him barely above Djokivic in the minds of most Australians.

And sir, you are evil for traducing the memory of one of Australia's greatest bands :P


No disrespect intended to the iconic classic Australian band, just meant to be as a metaphor


Yes, the conditions for Mr Djokovic were very far from those described by Mr Walker.


True he is actually not in gaol yet and has not the same attention as those involved in Bathurst Riots and overzealous prison officers, but if his farther want to get Her Majesty involved a possible outcome is a stay at pleasure of Her Majesty ‘s hotel, I here they are a lot more comfortable than when the song was released
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:22 am

Novax is shifting the blame and I imagine is being coached by his legal team

Deport him let him come back after the Australian Open to defend himself


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.sky ... 3717%3famp
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:02 am

A101 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
A101 wrote:

No disrespect intended to the iconic classic Australian band, just meant to be as a metaphor


Yes, the conditions for Mr Djokovic were very far from those described by Mr Walker.


True he is actually not in gaol yet and has not the same attention as those involved in Bathurst Riots and overzealous prison officers, but if his farther want to get Her Majesty involved a possible outcome is a stay at pleasure of Her Majesty ‘s hotel, I here they are a lot more comfortable than when the song was released


Ah, I get your point now. As for the prisons, the newer one are far better than the older ones (the older parts of Gouburn have barred windows for example), but he'd end up in a Commonwealth facility rather than a state one before he left the country anyway.

And, even further off topic, I saw CC live in both '82 and '83. My musical tastes are far broader, but they were an outstanding rock act at the peak of their powers back then.

There were meant to play at Rod Laver arena in 2020 before everything went pear shaped.....
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 am

A101 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!



Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in


Sure do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/novak- ... YA2LXHD6M/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/atp-t ... open-2022/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tator.html
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:26 am

Kiwirob wrote:
A101 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
His bat poop crazy dad has made a plea to Queen Liz to sort out the issue!



Really got a link :rotfl:

Not sure what he expects the Her Majesty to do when her role in Australia is only ceremonial

But I’d also expect the Her Majesty would also bid by the entry requirements to come to Australia and not try and lie his way in


Sure do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/novak- ... YA2LXHD6M/

https://www.essentiallysports.com/atp-t ... open-2022/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tator.html



Thanks for that, that news started to filter through after posting
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:31 am

I get the general feeling now that nothing is going to happen, novax’s is putting out is spin on the travel and testing dates. Blaming others for the problems


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc ... /100751136


But the amount of special privileges just for him by Tennis Australia and Vic Government has been overwhelming

I know there bad apples in allbwalks of life but this is just obscene what he is getting away with
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am

Now that Novax has admitted he broke Serbian isolation rules and that a "human error" was made by his agent on his immigration form (neglecting to mention travel to Serbia and Spain) one wonders what will happen. If your average Joe had made these "mistakes" I doubt they'd still be in Australia.

The more that comes out, the worse Novax looks - why has it taken him very nearly a week to admit these things? My sympathies are very much with the Australian public - they've suffered through very tough lockdowns and now they're watching an unvaccinated liar being allowed into the country to play a game of tennis. Chuck him out.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:52 am

scbriml wrote:
Now that Novax has admitted he broke Serbian isolation rules and that a "human error" was made by his agent on his immigration form (neglecting to mention travel to Serbia and Spain) one wonders what will happen. If your average Joe had made these "mistakes" I doubt they'd still be in Australia.

The more that comes out, the worse Novax looks - why has it taken him very nearly a week to admit these things? My sympathies are very much with the Australian public - they've suffered through very tough lockdowns and now they're watching an unvaccinated liar being allowed into the country to play a game of tennis. Chuck him out.


The more you dig the more things don’t add up

If you scan the QR codes on his test results submitted to the court (attached to the NJ affiliated).

The positive test result number is 7371999-259039, where the negative one is 7320919-259039. That indicates his post it I’ve test results came out after his negative result of the 22nd.

The positive test has an ID number 51,080 after the test from the 22nd.
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:16 am

scbriml wrote:
Now that Novax has admitted he broke Serbian isolation rules and that a "human error" was made by his agent on his immigration form (neglecting to mention travel to Serbia and Spain) one wonders what will happen. If your average Joe had made these "mistakes" I doubt they'd still be in Australia.

The more that comes out, the worse Novax looks - why has it taken him very nearly a week to admit these things? My sympathies are very much with the Australian public - they've suffered through very tough lockdowns and now they're watching an unvaccinated liar being allowed into the country to play a game of tennis. Chuck him out.



And yet we have people in my country who reckon he’s awesome and has done nothing wrong. Ordinary folk like us wouldn’t get away with this, because we are politically harmless they would throw us out immediately.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:32 am

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And yet we have people in my country who reckon he’s awesome and has done nothing wrong.


Even after he's admitted wrongdoing? There's blind loyalty and there's dumb stupidity.

cpd wrote:
Ordinary folk like us wouldn’t get away with this, because we are politically harmless they would throw us out immediately.


Absolutely not. Most ordinary folks wouldn't be stupid enough to try and game the system and expect to get away with it. I love it that all the attention whoring on social media has actually exposed him in this.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:56 am

cpd wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Now that Novax has admitted he broke Serbian isolation rules and that a "human error" was made by his agent on his immigration form (neglecting to mention travel to Serbia and Spain) one wonders what will happen. If your average Joe had made these "mistakes" I doubt they'd still be in Australia.

The more that comes out, the worse Novax looks - why has it taken him very nearly a week to admit these things? My sympathies are very much with the Australian public - they've suffered through very tough lockdowns and now they're watching an unvaccinated liar being allowed into the country to play a game of tennis. Chuck him out.



And yet we have people in my country who reckon he’s awesome and has done nothing wrong. Ordinary folk like us wouldn’t get away with this, because we are politically harmless they would throw us out immediately.



Yep it comes down to those with deep pockets, but in other news;

Renata Voracova tells Tennis Australia to pay up after deportation, I guessshe didn’t have deep enough pockets or not worthy enough of TA support


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.new ... 1ee2%3famp
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:58 pm

scbriml wrote:
Now that Novax has admitted he broke Serbian isolation rules and that a "human error" was made by his agent on his immigration form (neglecting to mention travel to Serbia and Spain) one wonders what will happen. If your average Joe had made these "mistakes" I doubt they'd still be in Australia.

The more that comes out, the worse Novax looks - why has it taken him very nearly a week to admit these things? My sympathies are very much with the Australian public - they've suffered through very tough lockdowns and now they're watching an unvaccinated liar being allowed into the country to play a game of tennis. Chuck him out.

IMHO he should be treated like everybody else -- but we all know how that often goes. Kinda like when I file my taxes, I'm responsible when the IRS comes calling. My accountant is going to get penalized. I am, because my name is on it. Punting it to his agent is pitiful. Though, given how sloppy the Djokovic team is, it isn't surprising that they would make that mistake. These people clearly live in their own self-aggrandizing little world.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:09 pm

“The air ticket alone cost 60,000 Czech crowns (AUD$3877) and my coach travelled with me. And then there is all that time, hotels, training for the grand slam, the potential prize money. “I hope Tennis Australia will face up to it and that we won’t have to take legal steps,” added Voracova, who said she had no appetite for tennis since landing in Prague on Monday.


https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/au ... 18474d1ee2

I guess there is a new reality: if you are not vaccinated you cannot be sure in advance that you can visit other countries.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:20 pm

art wrote:
“The air ticket alone cost 60,000 Czech crowns (AUD$3877) and my coach travelled with me. And then there is all that time, hotels, training for the grand slam, the potential prize money. “I hope Tennis Australia will face up to it and that we won’t have to take legal steps,” added Voracova, who said she had no appetite for tennis since landing in Prague on Monday.


https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/au ... 18474d1ee2

I guess there is a new reality: if you are not vaccinated you cannot be sure in advance that you can visit other countries.


Therein lies the point in contention - did TA mislead the players by providing them with incorrect information in relation to having a medical exemption granted if you have recovered from a Covid19 infection within the last xx months?

Putting all the shenanigans in the last few days from Team Novak and Team Oz aside, a total of 3 people (2 players and 1 official) have been affected by this saga, so something is amiss here. Novak probably doesn't care that much about the prizemoney (I am pretty sure he earns more from his sponsors anyway), but for Voracova, the prizemoney is perhaps her bread and butter. To make matters worse, having been formally deported, she is now automatically barred from entering Australia for the next 3 years. If TA made a boo-boo, they should compensate and pay.

Craig Tiley has yet to make a formal statement, citing the on-going legal case between Team Novak and Team Oz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSf3n-thrM

It also looks like the fat lady is backstage and is clearing her throat, preparing to sing...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/al ... 19dfb2f925
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:44 pm

The Australian government is preparing its case to deport Novak Djokovic after he admitted to attending an event and interview in Serbia after testing Covid-positive.

Australia's Department of Home Affairs' investigation was widened today to include his breach of isolation requirements in Serbia, incorrect statements given on his travel declaration form and inconsistencies on the date of his COVID-19 test.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kovic.html

Decision time Thursday or Friday? The tournament starts Monday. IIRC the current champion plays in the first match of the tournament at Wimbledon. Is that what happens at the Australian Open?
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:54 pm

art wrote:
The Australian government is preparing its case to deport Novak Djokovic after he admitted to attending an event and interview in Serbia after testing Covid-positive.

Australia's Department of Home Affairs' investigation was widened today to include his breach of isolation requirements in Serbia, incorrect statements given on his travel declaration form and inconsistencies on the date of his COVID-19 test.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kovic.html

Decision time Thursday or Friday? The tournament starts Monday. IIRC the current champion plays in the first match of the tournament at Wimbledon. Is that what happens at the Australian Open?


IIRC, first Men's Singles match on Rod Laver Arena on Monday evening, Melbourne time. So no, not technically the first match of the tournament. They try to get the general public to cough up the $$ for centre court tickets in the evening, when it is generally a little cooler...
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:20 pm

889091 wrote:
art wrote:
“The air ticket alone cost 60,000 Czech crowns (AUD$3877) and my coach travelled with me. And then there is all that time, hotels, training for the grand slam, the potential prize money. “I hope Tennis Australia will face up to it and that we won’t have to take legal steps,” added Voracova, who said she had no appetite for tennis since landing in Prague on Monday.


https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/au ... 18474d1ee2

I guess there is a new reality: if you are not vaccinated you cannot be sure in advance that you can visit other countries.


Therein lies the point in contention - did TA mislead the players by providing them with incorrect information in relation to having a medical exemption granted if you have recovered from a Covid19 infection within the last xx months?

Putting all the shenanigans in the last few days from Team Novak and Team Oz aside, a total of 3 people (2 players and 1 official) have been affected by this saga, so something is amiss here. Novak probably doesn't care that much about the prizemoney (I am pretty sure he earns more from his sponsors anyway), but for Voracova, the prizemoney is perhaps her bread and butter. To make matters worse, having been formally deported, she is now automatically barred from entering Australia for the next 3 years. If TA made a boo-boo, they should compensate and pay.

Craig Tiley has yet to make a formal statement, citing the on-going legal case between Team Novak and Team Oz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSf3n-thrM

It also looks like the fat lady is backstage and is clearing her throat, preparing to sing...
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/al ... 19dfb2f925



I also think it’s a little bit of why was he granted a visa in the 1st place when he applied as he was not vaccinated which he would not have had the time to do between jabs at that stage
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:28 pm

Veteran political journalist Paul Bongiorno has apparently been told by sources that Djokovic will be deported.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/li ... 5173853183

Paul Bongiorno usually is pretty reliable. It looks like Djokovic has no chance, he tripped over his own inconsistencies. They’ve got him now.
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:30 pm

I called him Novavax the other day LOL, which is the American company.

Kick him out of the country please. Goodbye.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:31 pm

Spain is now investigating:

Fresh reports emerged on Thursday claiming Spanish authorities are investigating Djokovic over his arrival into the country.

The tennis star said his agent incorrectly ticked “no” on a form asking if he had travelled in the 14 days before leaving for Australia, when in fact he had gone from Serbia to Spain in that time, where he practised ahead of the year’s first grand slam.

Spanish publication COPE reports agencies are looking into whether he entered the country illegally.

Tennis journalist Ben Rothenberg revealed Spains’s policy stipulates “unvaccinated tourists” are not allowed to enter the country and he’d need to prove his work was “essential” to get in.

Fellow tennis reporter Gaspar Ribeiro Lanca tweeted: “Breaking news: COPE reports that the Spanish Government is now investigating whether unvaccinated Novak Djokovic entered the country illegally in late December.

“Since September 20, citizens from Serbia need a vaccine certificate OR a special exemption to enter Spanish territory but so far the authorities say they did not receive any request from Djokovic.”


https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/li ... 5173853183
 
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Re: Australian Open 2022

Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 am

889091 wrote:
Spain is now investigating:

Fresh reports emerged on Thursday claiming Spanish authorities are investigating Djokovic over his arrival into the country.

The tennis star said his agent incorrectly ticked “no” on a form asking if he had travelled in the 14 days before leaving for Australia, when in fact he had gone from Serbia to Spain in that time, where he practised ahead of the year’s first grand slam.

Spanish publication COPE reports agencies are looking into whether he entered the country illegally.

Tennis journalist Ben Rothenberg revealed Spains’s policy stipulates “unvaccinated tourists” are not allowed to enter the country and he’d need to prove his work was “essential” to get in.

Fellow tennis reporter Gaspar Ribeiro Lanca tweeted: “Breaking news: COPE reports that the Spanish Government is now investigating whether unvaccinated Novak Djokovic entered the country illegally in late December.

“Since September 20, citizens from Serbia need a vaccine certificate OR a special exemption to enter Spanish territory but so far the authorities say they did not receive any request from Djokovic.”


https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/li ... 5173853183


I hope he is barred from both Spain & Australia indefinitely

That Australian federal judge is looking like a goose now
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