ACDC8 wrote:Pune and M564038 can go on all day about how that doesn't fit into "driver profiles", don't care - until an EV offers comparable convenience to current technology, many people won't buy one (not that they can afford one anyways).
heck, i only drive a plug in hybrid, but i can tell you that is an unfair standard. Because the ICE car can not offer the convenience that an electric car can offer: charging at home, at work and so on.
Now if you drive a lot beyond its battery range, you got a point, but you still have to subtract all the times you are not stopping at a gas station to fill up because you don´t have to as well.
ACDC8 wrote:Does an EV offer me a minimum of 800km range and can be recharged in the same time it takes to fuel an ICE car with gasoline with zero long term effects on battery performance?
does your ICE car drive tens of thousands of miles without any wear, tear and performance degradation on its engine?
B777LRF wrote:pune wrote:You or your brother are comparing a startup auto company which came in the market and proved to be successful in 100 years and feel they should not make any mistakes.
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The other interesting bit about Tesla it pays 0 dollars for advertising while others pay huge sums going into billions of dollars just on ads. Of course, people would get jealous but that is par for the course.
Don’t think that’s neither a fair nor a correct assessment. What Kiwi and I are pointing out, is that Tesla is not the premium product their pricing would lead you to believe. When Tesla is charging north of 100K EUR for a Model X, we expect it to be on-par with the quality of similarly priced products. And that’s not the case, very far from it actually. Whether the competition has had 1, 10 or 100 years to reach that level of quality is immaterial; if Tesla is unable to match that level of quality, then their products are overpriced and certainly not “premium”.
As for the comments regarding marketing budgets that is neither here nor there in a discussion of quality. Fact of the matter is that Tesla are hugely successful selling poorly made vehicles at very high prices.
plus the iffy bit they do get pretty loud inside once you exceed typical highway speeds.
I do sometimes wonder how many Tesla have been bought instead of other BEV simply because they over promise on features they are about to deliver.
Aren´t they supposed to drive fully autonomous and make money for you instead of costing you since 2019? Didn´t Musk tell his customers it would be financially insane to buy anything but a Tesla in 2018?
cpd wrote:johns624 wrote:I'm in the US and while I could see my next car, some years down the road, being a hybrid, I can't see a full electric in my future. Our distances are quite a bit farther than in Europe and EVs don't have the range.
We have electric cars going more than 500km, surely that’s far enough? People do need to stop occasionally and have a rest. Then you recharge the car, and many of them recharge really fast at 270kw..
but you get the 270kw only in a rather small part of charging, and BEV with a 500km electric range tend to do a lot less when it is freezing cold.
That of course isn´t a problem for most drivers.
best regards
Thomas