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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:14 pm

Good to see some resistance among the Belarusian people. They are trying to disrupt the movements of the Russian troops in their country.

https://twitter.com/Tsihanouskaya/status/1498638037873577991?cxt=HHwWjsC-5d7WncwpAAAA
 
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Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:36 pm

SteelChair wrote:

It is so sad to see Ukranians dying in what is probably a losing fight. I wish them the best and hope they win but it seems impossible to me.


The Ukrainians seem to be doing a pretty good job of repelling the russian military at this point, I’m not sure they need the direct assistance. Maybe you believe that no one came to their aid in 2014 and maybe they didn’t but this time other folks have. There have been donations of lethal and non lethal aid from many nations and we have seen videos where this has been put to use.

You seem to refer to russians as if they have a singular collective opinion on matters and that somehow the have, or will have, the same opinion as putin. Blacksoviet was under the same misunderstanding yesterday too… he (she?) also tried to drag this topic about the horrific and unprovoked invasion by a dictator off topic and discuss NATO much like you are trying to do with trump/Epstein et Al.

Let’s hope for your sake that roubles are fairly soft and absorbent…

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Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:51 pm

flipdewaf wrote:
The Ukrainians seem to be doing a pretty good job of repelling the russian military at this point, I’m not sure they need the direct assistance. Maybe you believe that no one came to their aid in 2014 and maybe they didn’t but this time other folks have. There have been donations of lethal and non lethal aid from many nations and we have seen videos where this has been put to use.

You seem to refer to russians as if they have a singular collective opinion on matters and that somehow the have, or will have, the same opinion as putin. Blacksoviet was under the same misunderstanding yesterday too… he (she?) also tried to drag this topic about the horrific and unprovoked invasion by a dictator off topic and discuss NATO much like you are trying to do with trump/Epstein et Al.

Let’s hope for your sake that roubles are fairly soft and absorbent…

Fred


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That is a good observation Fred. It seems like some are trying to do their best to spread comments and opinion aimed at reducing the resilience of Ukraine or of those supporting it.

From the Swedish Government regarding this sort of thing:

States and organisations are already using misleading information in order to try and influence our values and how we act. The aim may be to reduce our resilience and willingness to defend ourselves. The best protection against false information and hostile propaganda is to critically appraise the source:

• Is this factual information or opinion?
• What is the aim of this information?
• Who has put this out?
• Is the source trustworthy?
• Is this information available somewhere else?
• Is this information new or old and why is it out there at this precise moment?



From: https://www.msb.se/en/rad-till-privatpe ... war-comes/

In this day and age, always do your homework and don't take any information at face value.
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Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:54 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq x2, Afghanistan.

WW2, Korea, Iraq 1990, Ukraine. What do these have in common? A mad dictator declares war on a peaceful neutral country, followed by US support to push back the invading forces and restore the status ante quo. The first two cases were successful, what happens in Ukraine remains to be seen.
The problems really only start when the US forces end up occupying territories where they're not welcome, like Iraq post-2003 or Afghanistan. (Basically, they were doing the invading in those cases)

You might think that's not any of your problems; but at some point an enemy will show up at your doorstep too, and you might regret to have given up your allies when it's too late.
 
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Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:57 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Is that why he tried to expose the corruption in dealing with US support to Ukraine that just happened to ensnare Hunter?

no that was him trying and failing to dig up BS dirt on his opponent which failed spectacularly in his face when he withheld weapons from the Ukrainians

Are you really trying to use that argument to help justify your claim when only a few months later that man hosted an undemocratic insurrection on America (January 6th ring a bell?)
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:09 am

Bolsonaro's comments are a disgrace. He said "Ukranians have trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:16 am

mxaxai wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq x2, Afghanistan.

WW2, Korea, Iraq 1990, Ukraine. What do these have in common? A mad dictator declares war on a peaceful neutral country, followed by US support to push back the invading forces and restore the status ante quo. The first two cases were successful, what happens in Ukraine remains to be seen.
The problems really only start when the US forces end up occupying territories where they're not welcome, like Iraq post-2003 or Afghanistan. (Basically, they were doing the invading in those cases)

You might think that's not any of your problems; but at some point an enemy will show up at your doorstep too, and you might regret to have given up your allies when it's too late.


Well Russian forces are occupying territories where they're not welcome, don't you think ?

I saw Petraeus on CNN and he said that Iraq turned bad and the US ended up not welcome there, but initially they had local support (not from the Iraqi military, obviously). We don't see even a hint of that in Ukraine. In fact I've seen very little reports that the "Eastern rebels" amount to much.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:21 am

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Well Russian forces are occupying territories where they're not welcome, don't you think ?

Yes, and Russia will pay dearly for it, one way or another. We'll see how many soldiers Putin is willing to sacrifice before he decides that enough is enough. Though I suspect that he would rather let the entire army die before admitting that he made a mistake.

They couldn't hold Afghanistan, they let Kazakhstan and Belarus leave the union, they couldn't support Armenia against Azerbaijan, they just barely managed to hold on to their bases in Syria. None of the countries allied with or occupied by Russia have turned out well in the long run.
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:23 am

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ElPistolero wrote:
An Indian national and an Algerian national have been confirmed killed by Russian action in Kharkiv.

“With profound sorrow we confirm that an Indian student lost his life in shelling in Kharkiv this morning. The Ministry is in touch with his family. We convey our deepest condolences to the family," said ministry of external affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi.“

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bengalu ... 923504.cms

“An Algerian student in Ukraine was killed on Saturday after Russia bombarded the city of Kharkiv - the country's second-largest city - the Algerian foreign ministry announced on Sunday.”

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/alge ... ng-shelter


What were the embassies/consulates of India and Algeria advising their citizens in Ukraine to do before the invasion? The warning signs were there for quite some time.

What about their diplomatic staff? Were they officially repatriated, and if so, couldn't their own citizens in Ukraine have tagged along?


Presumably the same thing the Chinese were doing; taking their Russian friends word for it.

Here’s what their papers were reporting 10 days before the invasion:

“Russia denies it has any plans to invade Ukraine, and Lavrov argued that Moscow should hold more talks, despite the West's refusal to consider Russia's main demands.

The talks "can't go on indefinitely, but I would suggest to continue and expand them at this stage," Lavrov said, noting that Washington has offered to discuss limits for missile deployments in Europe, restrictions on military drills and other confidence-building measures.”

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 589102.cms

It may see strange now, but two weeks ago the Russians were insisting they had no plans to invade Ukraine.

Weren’t the only ones to miscalculate either. China’s only just begin evacuating it’s folk.

“ China’s efforts to evacuate its citizens came much later than those of other countries, including the United States, Britain and Norway – all of which urged their nationals to leave Ukraine more than a week before Russia’s military assault. Beijing’s mission in Ukraine had on February 21 issued a notice on WeChat reminding Chinese nationals and businesses to take safety precautions.”

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... rn-ukraine
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:26 am

victrola wrote:
Bolsonaro's comments are a disgrace. He said "Ukranians have trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html


Bolsonaro, Lukashenko & Putin will be sharing a room in Hell.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:28 am

tomcat wrote:
art wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
...I am quite surprised Finland and Sweden haven’t quick thrown in an application to NATO. Sure Finland has kicked Russian/Soviet ass before but I would think NATO would be a top priority for the attack on one attack on all clause.


One thing that has become extremely clear is that NATO will not intervene if you are attacked by Russia and not in NATO. So what is Finland's strategy if Russia attacks?


I'm still not convinced that NATO will not intervene. I realize there is the nuclear threat but now that Putin has been more explicit about using its nuclear forces, we'll live under this permanent threat even if we don't move for Ukraine. As far as I am concerned, I'm not opposed to the use of force to terminate this threat. If it takes a nuclear war to get rid of the nuclear inventory, so be it.

What has crossed my mind is that if NATO was not in a position to react immediately to the invasion of Ukraine, now that the Article 4 has been triggered by several member states, NATO has initiated a significant build up of forces (including F-35 aircraft) from Estonia all the way to Bulgaria. Granted, these forces are deployed for deterrence and defense only but who knows at what point the build up will stop. In parallel, the supply of arms to Ukraine helps to slow down and erode the Russian forces in the area. So we might reach a point where the balance of forces assembled in the region would be clearly in favor of NATO giving military options which are not available at the moment. An option could be to hit Belarus first, not attacking the Russian army directly.

When I heard the following statement from Johnson today:
“I want to be crystal clear on that point: We will not fight Russian forces in Ukraine,” Johnson said.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-01-22/h_68b68872491e6d65e5b3e333795472de

It sounded exactly the opposite to me. Other NATO-countries leaders have issued similar statements over the last few days. It's like they are using Putin's rhetoric.

Besides any form of military intervention, another option that could be explored would be for the allies of Ukraine to (threaten to) recognize selected Russian republics as independent states. Several of these republics still have a majority of non-Russian ethnicity. This would give some more food for thought to Putin.

Hello General Turgidson!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNC0YwuGLqg
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:36 am

I'm seeing heavy racism push on FB against Ukraine and Poland for alleged mistreatment of people and at the same time there's some very crazy videos coming from Poland where a immigrant attacked a store clerk with a knife and a paramedic got his finger bitten by a non Ukrainian person.
I guess this is where Russians definitely want to get involved in.

Another crazy story - After citizens of the town Przemysl started to complain of being harassed and some robberies, a group of fanatic football fans came to town to perform "citizen arrests". Some videos of people saying that they just walk around, no papers, don't want to tell where they are going. Some apparently got beat up and some are escorted to the train station back. Literally.
Heavy police presence at the moment. That's as far as google translate tells me.

Guy with a knife making sure buddies get in. In context no men are leaving Ukraine so women and children are the priority. I guess word is reaching the border and they reap what some or few sow.
https://twitter.com/Szczurekowski/statu ... LGnHR2buZg

EMT saying that: (use translate under tweet)
The lifeguard in Korczowa tells the journalist
@PolsatNewsPL
"Foreigners [from outside Ukraine] treat women very badly. There are no places for women with children here."
https://twitter.com/marek_anonim/status ... LGnHR2buZg

Medic Polish border town. (vidoe in that link. I use VPN to watch all that stuff)
Knife attacker on shop #wieszwięcej
https://twitter.com/tvp_info/status/149 ... LGnHR2buZg

Good stories for a change:
https://twitter.com/MidnightBisdak/stat ... LGnHR2buZg
https://twitter.com/PiotrAzja/status/14 ... LGnHR2buZg
https://twitter.com/PabVis/status/14978 ... LGnHR2buZg
https://twitter.com/Adam_Burakowski/sta ... LGnHR2buZg
https://twitter.com/Adam_Burakowski/sta ... LGnHR2buZg


***RUMOR according to Twitter sphere US will implement flight ban on Russians. Politico seems to be source
Biden is supposed to deliver the message at the state of the union.
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/stat ... LGnHR2buZg
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:38 am

Hello General Turgidson!!

"Don't worry President Putin, we'll be back in control of all of Ukraine sooner than you can say blastoff"
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:44 am

According to Kiev independent:
Russian troops in Crimea refuse to take part in Ukraine invasion.

The Center for Defense Strategies, citing their sources in the marine personnel in Crimea, says members of Russia’s 810th Detached Marine Brigade are in a “demoralized state."


https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/sta ... LGnHR2buZg
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:45 am

victrola wrote:
Bolsonaro's comments are a disgrace. He said "Ukranians have trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html


Coming from the Brazilian Trump, it’s a compliment.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:46 am

It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:48 am

T4thH wrote:
It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444


800 is a LOT lol.
If they managed to pull it off there will be one hell of a corpse field over there and a massive blow to Russian morale.
800 x 7.8 meters (Kamaz truck length randomly taken from the internet) is roughly 6.3 kilometers + gaps not counting trailers or longer stuff. That's crazy.
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:50 am

victrola wrote:
Bolsonaro's comments are a disgrace. He said "Ukranians have trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html


"Brazilians have trusted an inept comedian with the fate of a nation"

There; we fixed it for Herr Bolsonoro.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:51 am

China calls for protection of Ukrainian civilians and continues to strongly urge negotiation instead of use of force:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rom-russia

The linked article is also a little inaccurate as it says China has not denounced the invasion, but I already posted yesterday that the deputy director of the MFA actually stated that China does not support military action that threatens sovereignty.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:52 am

flipdewaf wrote:
SL1200MK2 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
You keep making my points: There is nothing but blind hatred and an obsession with smearing the other by all means, with zero consideration for the common good or any acknowledgment of common ideals.

I'm not an american but I only recoil in horror from what the american conservatives have turned into – basically the whole conservative side turning into what the AfD is here in Germany on the far outer fringe with many connections to violent extremists, shunned and isolated by the whole of decent society, but eagerly welcoming Putin's help in undermining and poisoning their own countries.

A weak, divided west has always been Putin's dream, and the USA have increasingly turned into exactly that by the Republicans abandoning what have once been the common ideals of the free world. Even while the rest of the world is standing together in unity this lot is only trying to kick the legs out from under their own government with little or no consideration for the actual interests of their own country or even beyond.

It is disturbing.

It’s even worse than that. Everything they do is simply to be contrarian toward who they have termed “elite”. It’s like they know they’re basic and unintelligent simpletons and all they can do it try to upset who they so wish they would be accepted by. It’s just like trump never being liked by Hollywood or anyone really, so he became a “republican” to address it.

Ha! Its the behaviour of an wannabe alpha male who gets rejected by a girl then spreads rumours about her, Putin was rejected by Ukraine and is having an adolescent tantrum about it.

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that's all that man has ever been :lol:
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:54 am

PixelPilot wrote:
T4thH wrote:
It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444


800 is a LOT lol.
If they managed to pull it off there will be one hell of a corpse field over there and a massive blow to Russian morale.

This is the Russian army part, started from Crimea and moving to the west/Odessa. In the south/east, around Mariupol, the Ukranians seems to loose.
EDIT:
OK, statement has now changed to: "Confirmed"....
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/?f=flair_name%3A%22100%25%20CONFIRMED%20NEWS%22

I want to see a little bit more, and the correct numbers at the end.
OK there was a big battle and Russia has lost their Crimean west army part.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:23 am

T4thH wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
T4thH wrote:
It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444


800 is a LOT lol.
If they managed to pull it off there will be one hell of a corpse field over there and a massive blow to Russian morale.

This is the Russian army part, started from Crimea and moving to the west/Odessa. In the south/east, around Mariupol, the Ukranians seems to loose.
EDIT:
OK, statement has now changed to: "Confirmed"....
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/?f=flair_name%3A%22100%25%20CONFIRMED%20NEWS%22

I want to see a little bit more, and the correct numbers at the end.
OK there was a big battle and Russia has lost their Crimean west army part.


I bet they didn't kill all the trucks that would be insane but other sources now are saying 80 so as usual, careful before everything is confirmed
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:26 am

T4thH wrote:
It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444


I am sure that the NATO and others, notably Sweden, with their ISR assets can get more details, not to mention extra government sources, lots of decent imaging satellites up there as an example.
That’s been a game changer with regards to another thing Putin was seen as being a master of, the information or in his case, propaganda war. The usual barrage of deliberately confusing, even contradictory stories and conspiracy theories they put that, just seem much less prevalent, like they are not even trying.
Ditto all the BS farms.
Something has gone amiss there beyond the actual fighting and miscalculation of the response from the EU, NATO, US and far beyond.

In the grand scheme of things plus of course the human suffering, this may seem trite, however it is very unusual for the UK Royal Family to voice an opinion politically, this was not reading from a government script, the last time I think the British Head Of State expressed opinions on political affairs, again against another country, was in WW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--1WSX1R4Mw
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:43 am

Boeing and ford are suspending operations in Russia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/busi ... ussia.html

Exxon exits Russian market and suspends investments.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-01/

This is a Russian disaster of epic proportions.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:58 am

GDB wrote:
T4thH wrote:
It seems, there was a bitter defeat today afternoon near the city of Bashtanka, Mycolaiv region.
If it is true, a convoy of up to 800 wheeled vehicles, tanks, APCs, AA has been hit hard/destroyed by Ukranian ground and airforce. Crews had left the vehicles at begin of the attack and flew in the wrong direction, they are trapped with a river in the back.

Ukranian had lost one helicopter during the attack, crew has survived.

Seems to be stated from several different sources. So a battle seems to be confirmed, result, we will have to see in next days. They are starting to get a little bit crazy in social media, so dreams start to exaggerate...
Example, neutral.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444


I am sure that the NATO and others, notably Sweden, with their ISR assets can get more details, not to mention extra government sources, lots of decent imaging satellites up there as an example.
That’s been a game changer with regards to another thing Putin was seen as being a master of, the information or in his case, propaganda war. The usual barrage of deliberately confusing, even contradictory stories and conspiracy theories they put that, just seem much less prevalent, like they are not even trying.
Ditto all the BS farms.
Something has gone amiss there beyond the actual fighting and miscalculation of the response from the EU, NATO, US and far beyond.

In the grand scheme of things plus of course the human suffering, this may seem trite, however it is very unusual for the UK Royal Family to voice an opinion politically, this was not reading from a government script, the last time I think the British Head Of State expressed opinions on political affairs, again against another country, was in WW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--1WSX1R4Mw

I remember this from 2014. Charles calling putin a modern day hitler.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... er-remarks

Seems Charles is a long time putin hater. Seems he got it right
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:01 am

SteelChair wrote:
casinterest wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

Time will liberate them. The corruption of Russia will eventually bring it down and cause reform. To waste thousands of lives on a senseless fight that you're going to lose anyway doesn't seem to be a good strategy to me



You want them to surrender to a madman that is intent on bringing the bad ol days(USSR) back?
I think you don't value anything associated with Freedom.

The Ukrainians are fighting for what their parents,grandparents, and Great Grandparents endured.


Another example of cognitive dissonance. I will volunteer that I am a second amendment supporter. I believe that people have a right to protect themselves and their personal property. And I believe in personal property.

Many people who talk about freedom talk about drug legalization and free tuition. Those aren't my definitions.

It is so sad to see Ukranians dying in what is probably a losing fight. I wish them the best and hope they win but it seems impossible to me.


So you would rather watch everything you have worked for , go to the government, and you lose your guns, freedom, and way of life, to not die?

I am not a big gun person, but you can bet I would use mine to defend my home, family, and property from a foreign invader.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:01 am

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Boeing and ford are suspending operations in Russia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/busi ... ussia.html

Exxon exits Russian market and suspends investments.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-03-01/

This is a Russian disaster of epic proportions.



Ooops for Boeing, new MOM design going to be delayed extra few years?? Unless they manage to transfer out all these engineers from moscow, cause they definitely slashed and burned all the ones in Seattle.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:36 am

The Chechen hit squad to kill Ukrainian President has supposedly been eliminated. Wasn’t that the 400 count hit squad or different??

“I can say that we received information from representatives of the FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war,” said Danilov, who claimed that the Chechen special forces sent to kill Zelensky had been “eliminated.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-hit- ... 28455.html
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:41 am

A big f u to putin from his own troops it seems

If you had to eat 5-6 year expired rations with no support from higher ups, that is a huge embarrassment to the russian army. A big paper tiger it seems. Wouldn’t be surprised to see China break russians neck when they are not watching.

“Some Russian troops have "deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks" as morale among the Russians declines, a senior US official said.

The troops appear to be self-sabotaging in order to avoid combat, the unnamed senior Pentagon official said, per The New York Times. The official added that many of the Russian troops are young and inexperienced in combat, and they are facing dwindling food and fuel resources.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-off ... 18317.html
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:43 am

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The Chechen hit squad to kill Ukrainian President has supposedly been eliminated. Wasn’t that the 400 count hit squad or different??

“I can say that we received information from representatives of the FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war,” said Danilov, who claimed that the Chechen special forces sent to kill Zelensky had been “eliminated.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-hit- ... 28455.html


The bit about being tipped tipped off by the FSB is clearly propaganda. If they really had those kinds of high level assets giving them valuable intelligence, they wouldn't be stupid enough to announce it knowing the authorities would immediately commence a massive search for the traitors.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:57 am

Interesting take on Putin and Bible prophecy being fulfilled on Monday from Pat Robertson, Founder of the 700 Club. Gog and Magog and Ezekiel 38.
It's in the first 10 minutes of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91uzwDcYAs
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:59 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Interesting take on Putin and Bible prophecy being fulfilled on Monday from Pat Robertson, Founder of the 700 Club. Gog and Magog and Ezekiel 38.
It's in the first 10 minutes of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91uzwDcYAs


You watch the 700 Club? Lolololol

Isn’t he the guy that said 9/11 happened because of gay people or something?
 
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Interesting take on Putin and Bible prophecy being fulfilleds


Interesting insight on diagnosable clinical insanity.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:49 am

Yes. Exactly what we needed. Providing as relevant insight as a physics professor from the 14th century on string theory!

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Interesting take on Putin and Bible prophecy being fulfilled on Monday from Pat Robertson, Founder of the 700 Club. Gog and Magog and Ezekiel 38.
It's in the first 10 minutes of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K91uzwDcYAs
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:51 am

GDB wrote:
From Moscow, as sanctions bite, pointed contribution from the last person interviewed;


The Fun part is that Russia seemingly can not affort its own sanctions, given that Lufthansa Cargo LH8433 and Condor DE2367 are currently in russian Airspace.

best regards
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:09 am

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Bolsonaro's comments are a disgrace. He said "Ukranians have trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html

What do you expect from him? A reasonable, well balanced comment where he roasts Putin?
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:44 am

alberchico wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
The Chechen hit squad to kill Ukrainian President has supposedly been eliminated. Wasn’t that the 400 count hit squad or different??

“I can say that we received information from representatives of the FSB, who today have no desire to take part in this bloody war,” said Danilov, who claimed that the Chechen special forces sent to kill Zelensky had been “eliminated.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-hit- ... 28455.html


The bit about being tipped tipped off by the FSB is clearly propaganda. If they really had those kinds of high level assets giving them valuable intelligence, they wouldn't be stupid enough to announce it knowing the authorities would immediately commence a massive search for the traitors.



MAybe go get under putins skin??? The fact that someone in FSB might be working against him? Might kill off everyone there and that would be good for everyone
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:49 am

tommy1808 wrote:
GDB wrote:
From Moscow, as sanctions bite, pointed contribution from the last person interviewed;


The Fun part is that Russia seemingly can not affort its own sanctions, given that Lufthansa Cargo LH8433 and Condor DE2367 are currently in russian Airspace.

best regards
Thomas


since it is too late to edit, they just teleportet a few 100km into Kazachstan on Flightradar24.

best regards
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:55 am

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Ukraine forces killed Chechen general Magomed Tushayev on Saturday at the Antonov International Airport (GML) northwest of Kyiv. Tushayev is responsible for the torture and murders of LGBTQ+ individuals in the largely Muslim region of Chechnya in Russia.


https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699032


Great news the Ukrainians are doing a good job wiping out these vermin . We owe them a debt of gratitude.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:03 am

Russian troops ‘sabotaging their own tanks and walking away’ from target towns to avoid combat in Ukraine

Russian troops are “operating in complete disarray”, their morale sapped and “crying in combat”, voice recordings of frontline soldiers obtained by a British intelligence company suggest.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/e ... 01492.html
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:33 am

OA260 wrote:
Russian troops ‘sabotaging their own tanks and walking away’ from target towns to avoid combat in Ukraine

Russian troops are “operating in complete disarray”, their morale sapped and “crying in combat”, voice recordings of frontline soldiers obtained by a British intelligence company suggest.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/e ... 01492.html


I don't know how it is possible to verify all this, but if it's true......
There surely has to be an element of truth to it IMO, otherwise how do you explain an army supposedly so well equipped and trained with huge superiority in weapons, air support etc, being SO bogged down. This 40 mile convoy everyone seems to be worried about has been 17 miles from Kyiv for the best part of 2 days now...

Rgds
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:08 am

Exrampieyyz wrote:
mfranjic wrote:
..
..As for Russia's attack on Ukraine … its a terrible and tragic what we are witnessing, but very difficult and ungrateful to explain in a few words because the causes and consequences need to be considered, and neither of them is from ‘yesterday’. When in the past it was agreed that the Soviet Union would support the unification of West and East Germany, and when the Warsaw Pact was dissolved, it was agreed that NATO would not expand towards Russia's borders. There are dilemmas as to whether this was agreed or not, but it was agreed and exists in the files and the documents. Now there is a short circuit. The question is why it was necessary to force NATO expansion if Russia was not the enemy. Or was it? It is now. They did not even ask for anyone's approval and blessing as NATO normally asks of the United Nations before embarking on its wars of conquest and bloody campaigns, killing innocent civilians.
..
..One only has to look at the map to see how much the West has kept its word that it will not spread. NATO has expanded on five occasions: Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary joined in 1999, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Romania in 2004, Croatia and Albania in 2009, Montenegro in 2017 and Northern Macedonia in 2020. The result is getting closer to Russia's borders and that is the reason for the crisis ...
..
..Let's remember for a moment the tension that prevailed over the Cuban Missile Crisis (Caribbean Crisis) in 1962 between America and the USSR which escalated into an international crisis when American deployments of medium-range ballistic missile (PGM-19 Jupiter) in Italy and Turkey in 1961. was matched by Soviet deployments of similar medium-range ballistic missiles R-12 Dvina / SS-4 Sandal and intermediate-range ballistic missiles R-14 Chusovaya / SS-5 Skean ballistic missile in Cuba, when nuclear war threatened because of that. Yes, America did not invade Cuba, but it did many other countries that were not allowed to choose for themselves but America decided to choose for them instead. Should I list them?
..
..Who knows if the rockets would also come to the Russian border little by little. This should have been resolved earlier, because each of the countries that are in NATO has its own prehistory. In my opinion, the best model for Ukraine was the neutrality that Finland had, and not to force NATO membership. Yes, Ukraine is not in NATO, let alone have missiles aimed at Russia on its territory, but if NATO comes, it is always possible to bring missiles, and one should be aware of that. NATO would certainly not come to Ukraine to plant potatoes and parsley …
..
..What needs to be done now? To sit down and talk. I would like immensely the problems to be solved through the negotiations, but such problems cannot be solved by negotiations alone. The Russian army will have to withdraw because it is not Russia, but this must be resolved by agreement. Putin says the condition is the departure of the current Ukrainian government, but no state can determine for another who will be in someone's state leadership. Clearly this cannot be fulfilled. Putin made a big mistake because he turned almost the whole world against himself, but it is easiest to condemn and remains to be seen what led to this situation. We all condemn any aggression. This will be condemned by any normal man. But we have to get into the question what led to that!
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..NATO had its role while the opponent was the Soviet Union and The Warsaw Treaty Organization, commonly known as the Warsaw Pact, and while there were ideological disputes. However, there is no more USSR for a 30 years, nor is there any danger from it, and a different NATO policy should have been pursued, unless the alliance appears to embody the Western will to limit the growth of two superpowers: Russia and China. After all, U.S. interests are behind everything because NATO does not have its own strength.
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..When Bill Clinton was visiting Moscow on his last tour as U.S. president (3-5. June 2000; summit meeting with president Putin) he was asked what he thinks of the idea of Russia joining NATO, how they view this possibility to maintain security between the West and the East, why they don’t want Russia as friends and why they see enemies in Russia. The only answer he gave was that it is not up to NATO political regime, but that they simply do not need a country as big as Russia. The fact is that the tradition of American politics is they always need someone to fight with and Russia is always a very welcomed enemy.
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..U.S. is deeply engaged in the current crisis, not as a defender of the West and democracy, but as a country that is almost desperate to preserve or restore the position of world hegemon, a superpower unparalleled and which decides what the world we live in will be like. It is superfluous to talk about other American interests about Europe. They do not want to accept that Europe has two masters, them and Russia. To their great regret, now they can only watch what Russia and China are doing. Or what they will do ...
..
..Since 1775. and the beginning of the American Revolutionary War, the United States has participated in 102 wars. You can count the American presidents, those who did not start at least one war during their mandate, on the fingers of one hand. The total number of foreign sites for installations and facilities that are either in active use and service or may be activated and operated by American military personnel and allies is at just over 1000 (one thousand)…
..
..My opinion is that the deep American state, its poor maidservant Europe and the heavily manipulated and exploited Ukrainian president Zelenskyy, who promised to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia as part of his presidential campaign and attempted to engage in dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin, pushed Ukraine into the mouths of an awakened, enraged and mad bear. However, Ukraine is now alone and betrayed. The others, whatever they say or do, are still on the sidelines and just watching.
..
..I am not inclined to any of these political leaders that we are currently watching and listening to, no matter where they belong, or that I could trust any of them. More than anything, I pray for the peace in the world and to put an end to the suffering of all those involved in this war as soon as possible..
..
..As a little boy, I was so proud when my grandmother was showing me a picture of our family member Stephen Franjic, who was a U.S. Army tanker in the Korean War (died on 18. Jan 2015, at age 85, in Tampa, FL). Then I understood and knew little… A lot is clearer to me today, but it doesn’t help me too much not to be confused, depressing and unhappy when I see what this world looks like. Someone will surely benefit greatly from all this and are now happily rubbing their hands to the side. As with all the wars they stood behind and deliberately organized throughout the history. But, the God's judgment is the last. No one will escape.
..
..
….Mario, 54. Two armies, one war and 229 voluntary blood donations

No country has the right to tell another what to do.
The difference between a free country and a dictatorship.


Tell it to USA who tells how of the world what to do. If they do not obey, sanctions them. India, Turkey,... as of recently.
Are you applying same meter on all?

As for dictatorship, we are quite happy doing business and support many of them. It is only when they stop being in our pocket, when we have problem with them. Don't you think so?

Putin is wrong. 100%. War is 100% wrong. All of them. But stop riding that horse and pretending we (west) are squeaky clean.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:11 am

tommy1808 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
GDB wrote:
From Moscow, as sanctions bite, pointed contribution from the last person interviewed;


The Fun part is that Russia seemingly can not affort its own sanctions, given that Lufthansa Cargo LH8433 and Condor DE2367 are currently in russian Airspace.

best regards
Thomas


since it is too late to edit, they just teleportet a few 100km into Kazachstan on Flightradar24.

best regards
Thomas


I'm Slovak. Just yesterday a cargo flight full of Russian fuel for our NPP landed here.
https://ekonomika.pravda.sk/energetika/ ... priviezlo/
Sorry, only in Slovak.

I would love to know, how many of those exceptions happened.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:11 am

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AS a person, I'm all for sovereignty. But all has limitations in a real world. It was never really there in full. Same as a right for self-determination. When it suits us, we support it. When not, we fight it.

Speaking as a history nerd, in last 100 years one of the preferred USA and UK sports was changing governments all over the world. Including those that were democratically elected. In most cases putting into power nasty dictators. Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ime_change
I bet you can find what happened in Indonesia, Philippines, Irak etc too.


I suppose we can always pretend that we've learned nothing from the horrible mistakes we definitely made back in history.
I suppose we could always blame today's German's for World War Two
I suppose we could blame 21st Century UK governments for the British Empire's atrocities

The historical "whataboutism" will do nothing other than drag us backwards IMO

Rgds
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:23 am

jaro76 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

The Fun part is that Russia seemingly can not affort its own sanctions, given that Lufthansa Cargo LH8433 and Condor DE2367 are currently in russian Airspace.

best regards
Thomas


since it is too late to edit, they just teleportet a few 100km into Kazachstan on Flightradar24.

best regards
Thomas


I'm Slovak. Just yesterday a cargo flight full of Russian fuel for our NPP landed here.
https://ekonomika.pravda.sk/energetika/ ... priviezlo/
Sorry, only in Slovak.

I would love to know, how many of those exceptions happened.


The LH flights didn't cross Russia. It was erroneous data on FR24 (it happens quite a lot).
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:28 am

You are falling prey to Putin’s propaganda tactics, going headlong right in to the WHATABOUTISM.

And for me? Yes, I have supported the weak party tending towards democracy at every crossroad.
I don’t hesitate to criticize the US or any other western nation when they are being assholes.
But this, you see, the invasion of Ukraina, you have to go back to the German invasion of Poland in 1939 to find a similar, clear cut, black and white good against evil moment in european history.
Putin per early march 2022 IS Hitler per September 1939.

jaro76 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Ukraine is a sovereign nation. It’s citizens decide who they want to align with.

See? That wasn’t hard?

That such a thing as self-determination could even exist has never occurred to Vladimir Putin, except in his deepest nightmares.

(The original argument is nonsense anyway – the claimed "documents" do not exist, nor any spoken assurances which would not be binding anyway.)


AS a person, I'm all for sovereignty. But all has limitations in a real world. It was never really there in full. Same as a right for self-determination. When it suits us, we support it. When not, we fight it.

Speaking as a history nerd, in last 100 years one of the preferred USA and UK sports was changing governments all over the world. Including those that were democratically elected. In most cases putting into power nasty dictators. Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ime_change
I bet you can find what happened in Indonesia, Philippines, Irak etc too.

Take Cuba as example. Before Castro head of country was Batista. Total corrupt dictator. Backed by USA. Raping his country and people for profit. USA was OK, as they got almost all of the profit from it. Cuba was full of US mafia. Cuban people spoke and revolted. And they are still under sanctions. In 1962 they wanted ZSSR missiles on the island. We know how USA reacted. And I think you can continue from there and find out what other countries west helped to screw. Philippines, Indonesia, Argentina, Panama, Irak (way before war) .... and so on.

As a bonus, you have ton of countries where we put sanctions on them whenever they do something we do not like. USA even on own allies... So much for sovereignty.

If people speak and we do not like it, we sanction them, bomb them, support puch, invade ... So to a degree, our proclamation sound quite hollow to people living outside USA/UK and west in general. I'm European. A lucky one. I traveled a lot. Studied a lot and have friends all over the world. You would be surprised, how many see us as hypocrites. And racist as a bonus. That is impression of my friends in Asia, Africa and South America. When there is war going on there, west declares support, some bla bla bla. Sometimes UN is involved. When Ukraine happened, we suddenly went into overdrive. Everyone has opinion, we forgot about Covid, we are having competition in supporting Ukraine. It is everywhere. As a bonus, you have journalists and politicians talking about "civilized country that was attacked", about how horrible it is that this happened in Europe, that blond blue eyed kids in Ukraine are suffering. When my friends sent me links to this, I was shocked. I honestly did not know how to respond.

This all being said, are you 100% sure, that we are clean? That we always and everywhere have the same meter? That we always are for 100% sovereignty for all?
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:31 am

Russia seem to ibe using thermobaric bombs now.

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/gigantisc ... ~a5c5583a/

Looks like a small nuclear explosion!

Is this how Putin conducts a 'military peace keeping operation' in the Donbass region?

By bombing Ukraine's second biggest city, which isn't even in that region???
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:33 am

jaro76 wrote:
[I traveled a lot. Studied a lot and have friends all over the world. You would be surprised, how many see us as hypocrites. And racist as a bonus.


Not to take away from much of what you've written, which I agree with.... however, I'm a European and have lived long term in 3 Asian countries. Every one of them is racist to levels that I rarely saw in (western) Europe. For them to judge others as racist is very much the pot calling the kettle [enter a colour that doesn't offend].
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:44 am

astuteman wrote:
jaro76 wrote:
AS a person, I'm all for sovereignty. But all has limitations in a real world. It was never really there in full. Same as a right for self-determination. When it suits us, we support it. When not, we fight it.

Speaking as a history nerd, in last 100 years one of the preferred USA and UK sports was changing governments all over the world. Including those that were democratically elected. In most cases putting into power nasty dictators. Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ime_change
I bet you can find what happened in Indonesia, Philippines, Irak etc too.


I suppose we can always pretend that we've learned nothing from the horrible mistakes we definitely made back in history.
I suppose we could always blame today's German's for World War Two
I suppose we could blame 21st Century UK governments for the British Empire's atrocities

The historical "whataboutism" will do nothing other than drag us backwards IMO

Rgds


I'm new to the forum at least as an active member. I read it for years. And I always regarded your posts here very highly. Always having something to tell. Adding well thought value here. I'm trying to get there too. Maybe one day :)

I'm not trying to use historical whataboutism here. At least not ww2. The relevance here is small, considering how many people from that time are alive. Tho, a group of their children is still here. And that makes that memory and scars alive. But that is for other discussion. I'm focusing on the time since

I'm all for stopping killing. War is wrong. It is usually a failure of politics and diplomacy. We have a clash of ideals with reality. What I'm trying to say, is that flying high speaking big slogans and preaching values is nice. But it seldom stops killing and many times in politics it is actually causing wars. Pragmatism is what we needed (starting ~1994) till war started and even what we need now. Preaching sovereignty ( especially when you are putting sanctions or threatening them on Turkey, India... for exercising theirs) is not going to be best solution here. We have to start thinking how to get out of this mess. We need a pragmatic solution to stop this war and provide really long lasting inclusive security organization in Europe. As was shown, throwing around sanctions warnings and preaching sovereignty failed to stop war from happening. So IMHO it is not a solution.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:13 am

sabenapilot wrote:
Russia seem to ibe using thermobaric bombs now.

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/gigantisc ... ~a5c5583a/

Looks like a small nuclear explosion!

Is this how Putin conducts a 'military peace keeping operation' in the Donbass region?

By bombing Ukraine's second biggest city, which isn't even in that region???


while Russia certainly is or will be using thermobaric weapons, that looks more like an ammunition depot being hit.

best regards
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