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Sun May 01, 2022 2:32 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/francis_scar ... 1073614848

On a more humorous note, it looks like toy trucks decorated with the Z letter are being introduced into toy stores for any patriotic Russian parents to buy for their children. There's a big chunk of the population who support this war and simply don't believe that their soldiers would commit any atrocious. One thing that Russia excels at is proganda and controlling the narrative to make sure it has the support of its populace.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 2:41 pm

Good to see there are some people in Russia who don't believe what they're being told:
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 3185246209
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 4:31 pm

Can't speak to this tweet's authenticity, but yesterday's strike that allegedly killed a Russian General was targeting the new Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Valeriy Gerasimov. Apparently quite a few senior officers were killed and Gerasimov fled back to Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrKovalenko/ ... 7437683713

Great news, too bad it didn't finish him off. We need more Russian senior officers dying, not the poor privates
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 5:15 pm

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Klaus wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
"The purpose NATO is to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," British General Hasting Ismay (1952)

And now Britain has isolated itself much to the glee of Russia, everyone wants Germany to be more aggressive and the USA is the somewhat wobbly candidate within NATO...!



If that quote is from 1952, that makes perfect sense for the time. Europe was broke, the Germans were still suspect, and America was already fighting Communist expansion and Soviet pilots in Korea.

Yet the UK could deploy a larger expeditionary force...

The US is tired if subsidizing EU defense; there is no economic reason for the USA to be the bulk of NATO anymore. Too many NATO nations missed the 2% of GNP spending and 3.5% to 4.5% is required for effective combined arms with logistics with the force proportional to the economy sponsoring it

Look at the expensatures:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

The EU might need to go to 5 or 6% to make up for decades of underspending. After Afghanistan, there is justified hesitation for the USA to tangle itself up in another foreign adventure. We'll meet NATO guidelines. Seriously, the EU must develop an offensive capable military to be a deterant.

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Sun May 01, 2022 6:12 pm

Of course there is an economic reason to do it for the US, the military industrial complex requires it. It provides plenty of jobs, not only making the weapons, but also all the military bases, military personnel...
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 6:22 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Can't speak to this tweet's authenticity, but yesterday's strike that allegedly killed a Russian General was targeting the new Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Valeriy Gerasimov. Apparently quite a few senior officers were killed and Gerasimov fled back to Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrKovalenko/ ... 7437683713

Great news, too bad it didn't finish him off. We need more Russian senior officers dying, not the poor privates

Looks like there's going to be a LOT of empty seats in the May 9th parade in Moscow :D
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 6:38 pm

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The video of that hit was definitely impressive!


Any clues out there on why some of the hits has white smoke and some have dark gray smoke? I would assume it would be the shell type.

bt



Good question right? My knowledge from 1-10 is a 1 in arms knowledge lol. But from reading there was a mix of vehicles hit. At least a dozen tanks, could it be that the tanks with their shells blowing up from the hits would be a different smoke.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 6:46 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
Looks like there's going to be a LOT of empty seats in the May 9th parade in Moscow :D

I wonder if there will be a May 9th parade. They might cancel it because of the war or some other more politically expedient excuse (Covid!).

And if there is a parade, I would not be surprised if Putin and the general staff do not attend. Too big a risk that someone with an axe to grind (foreign or domestic, plenty of candidates) shows up with a sniper rifle, rocker launcher or drone.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 6:54 pm

petertenthije wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
Looks like there's going to be a LOT of empty seats in the May 9th parade in Moscow :D

I wonder if there will be a May 9th parade. They might cancel it because of the war or some other more politically expedient excuse (Covid!).

They've already started the dry runs, though (it was in the news).

And if there is a parade, I would not be surprised if Putin and the general staff do not attend. Too big a risk that someone with an axe to grind (foreign or domestic, plenty of candidates) shows up with a sniper rifle, rocker launcher or drone.

They would have had plenty of reasons to consider that kind of thing in previous years as well, so I don't see that as a fundamentally new concern. Security will be tight in any case.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 6:56 pm

T4thH wrote:
seems, the Ukrainian army has hit the next command post and killed the next general, still to be confirmed.The original sources are not good...

It shall be either:
Major General Simonov or
General olexander scherbua

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufgl3x/reports_of_a_successful_ukrainian_strike_on/

EDIT:
Major General Andrei Simonov was at a forward command post near Izyum when it was hit.

He is the 9th Russian general killed so far (or 11th if counting 2 unconfirmed in Kherson).

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520510155858845699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1520510155858845699%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fufk6oq%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse


Gen. Gerasimov was sent to the front to personally command the troops and oversee the invasion. He was welcomed by artillery shelling (mentioned in T4thH's post)
and was wounded so I guess we can make it 11,5 generals now. https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu ... 4781186049

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi ... illed.html
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pm

Klaus wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
Looks like there's going to be a LOT of empty seats in the May 9th parade in Moscow :D

I wonder if there will be a May 9th parade. They might cancel it because of the war or some other more politically expedient excuse (Covid!).

They've already started the dry runs, though (it was in the news).

And if there is a parade, I would not be surprised if Putin and the general staff do not attend. Too big a risk that someone with an axe to grind (foreign or domestic, plenty of candidates) shows up with a sniper rifle, rocker launcher or drone.

They would have had plenty of reasons to consider that kind of thing in previous years as well, so I don't see that as a fundamentally new concern. Security will be tight in any case.



But if you were going to do a false flag operation, this would be the time and place.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 8:16 pm

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But if you were going to do a false flag operation, this would be the time and place.

It would be really bad for that, though, as it would do significant psychological harm to the Putin regime and undermine its credibility even if there was just some disruption without actual damage.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 9:02 pm

Hear the one about the ignorant pig that whispered: Hey Comrade wanna buy a tractor cheap?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/r ... index.html

Putin should be proud at the May 9 celebration.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 9:20 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
T4thH wrote:
seems, the Ukrainian army has hit the next command post and killed the next general, still to be confirmed.The original sources are not good...

It shall be either:
Major General Simonov or
General olexander scherbua

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufgl3x/reports_of_a_successful_ukrainian_strike_on/

EDIT:
Major General Andrei Simonov was at a forward command post near Izyum when it was hit.

He is the 9th Russian general killed so far (or 11th if counting 2 unconfirmed in Kherson).

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1520510155858845699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1520510155858845699%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fufk6oq%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse


Gen. Gerasimov was sent to the front to personally command the troops and oversee the invasion. He was welcomed by artillery shelling (mentioned in T4thH's post)
and was wounded so I guess we can make it 11,5 generals now. https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu ... 4781186049

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi ... illed.html

I am a little bit careful regarding this story...There is just no confirmation, he was there or that he got wounded. The whole story is based on, that a governmental Tupolev plane has landed on an airport in Russia next to the border and started a little bit later again back to Moscov. I have seen, how this story has build up in social media...
This is the reason, why I have not wrote this story here in this forum, it is just thin.
Just remind, the story, that one general was killed, was confirmed fast in few hours and we even got the name after short time.

This is more a wish and a wet dream than anyhing else...but who knows, also dreams can get true, so let us hope, it will.
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 10:16 pm

T4thH wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
T4thH wrote:


Gen. Gerasimov was sent to the front to personally command the troops and oversee the invasion. He was welcomed by artillery shelling (mentioned in T4thH's post)
and was wounded so I guess we can make it 11,5 generals now. https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu ... 4781186049

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politi ... illed.html

I am a little bit careful regarding this story...There is just no confirmation, he was there or that he got wounded. The whole story is based on, that a governmental Tupolev plane has landed on an airport in Russia next to the border and started a little bit later again back to Moscov. I have seen, how this story has build up in social media...
This is the reason, why I have not wrote this story here in this forum, it is just thin.
Just remind, the story, that one general was killed, was confirmed fast in few hours and we even got the name after short time.

This is more a wish and a wet dream than anyhing else...but who knows, also dreams can get true, so let us hope, it will.

As long as there's no storm while he's being towed to port, Gerasimov should be fine...! :mischievous:
 
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Sun May 01, 2022 11:47 pm

It is really sad to see that some railway bridges in Russia, occupied Donbass and occupied Ukraine have some stability issues... Seems, someone really knows how to blow them up....ah sorry, "Steinlaus", concrete and steel eating "Steinlaeuse" of course.... :lol:
This one was on 01-May in Kursk, Russia. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/ug6e5g/a_railway_bridge_in_kursk_decided_to_not_support/

Melitopol, Ukraine (occupied, south, connection to Crimea), 28-Apr-2022.
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1519639159618551809?s=21&t=9toQw6epGQ8R-gvSE0yHmw
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1519969972419706882

Sorry, I "lost" the link for the third bridge in Donbass from 01-May...

Yes...the "Steinlaus"....male; 28 kg concrete and stone per day....pregnant the double amount.
https://de-de.facebook.com/die.steinlaus/videos/loriot-die-steinlaus/1871406858844/

And yes, also ammunition depots tend to pop in Russia...next one, on 01-May-2022 in Belgorod, Russia...Do not smoke in ammunition depots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ug1kpy/the_ammo_depot_in_belgorod_is_making_some_nice/
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 1:14 am

Gazprombank exec defects to Ukraine:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/rus ... 5ahn9.html
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 2:07 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBrNYazPMic
Interesting perspective from a former close colleague of VP.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 11:12 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682

Even by Russian standards these are incredibly stupid comments. At first I thought these comments were meant for a domestic audience but then I read this this was for an interview by an Italian TV station. Why ? Nobody in the West is going to believe this narrative.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 11:57 am

alberchico wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682

Even by Russian standards these are incredibly stupid comments. At first I thought these comments were meant for a domestic audience but then I read this this was for an interview by an Italian TV station. Why ? Nobody in the West is going to believe this narrative.


Lavrov is an idiotic stooge, a puppet.

Hope Israel has the guts to cut off Russian relations - make Russia know how annoyed they are.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 11:57 am

alberchico wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61296682

Even by Russian standards these are incredibly stupid comments. At first I thought these comments were meant for a domestic audience but then I read this this was for an interview by an Italian TV station. Why ? Nobody in the West is going to believe this narrative.


It's just Russia becoming more and more desperate.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 12:34 pm

What's interesting is that their desperation/ineptitude is forcing them into increasingly ridiculous narratives to try and save face. So much so that they are now managing to p*$s off those nations that were trying to remain neutral/diplomatic in this conflict, such as Israel.

The whole Putin clique is really digging itself into a hole they can't get out of. Speaking of hole, some second rate news outlets were circulating the rumour that Putin needs to undergo cancer surgery soon... I've got my fingers crossed for a 'good' outcome. :stirthepot:
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 1:04 pm

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The whole Putin clique is really digging itself into a hole they can't get out of. Speaking of hole, some second rate news outlets were circulating the rumour that Putin needs to undergo cancer surgery soon... I've got my fingers crossed for a 'good' outcome. :stirthepot:

Would be nice if they kept the tumour and incinerated the rest. :twisted:
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 1:30 pm

Now Russia has to pay for the loss of the AA cruiser Moscva. And that Russia has occupied the Snake island near the Ukrainian coast is getting more and more expensive. Not only, that the island can not run away and has been regular bombed by arty and rockets (with 40 men loss in last week and loss of the AA and other equipment on the island). A TB2 drone has bombed and (pretty sure) destroyed/sunk two of the Russian Raptor patrol boats, who seems to supply the garrison on the island. So only 4 or 5 left in the Black Sea.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ugjqph/today_at_dawn_near_the_island_of_snake_a/
There is another prolonged video, where you can see, the first boat was a sitting duck, slowly driving backward from Snake island shore, while the second one has tried to survive with hard maneuvering.
Standard crew is three with up to additional 20 men on board.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 1:49 pm

There are far more horrific stories from this war, but this is heartbreaking:
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 9938460672
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 2:33 pm

Way to go UK.

According the the Ukrainians, y'all got the best/most comfortable uniforms.

https://youtu.be/NzR-vbk9Z_Q

bt
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 3:26 pm

And the next Russian military plant is just now popping. The Perm powder plant, producing rocket fuel and charges.
Do not smoke.....
Seems someone prefers cigarettes' from Ukraine. :hissyfit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ugp4vs/in_russia_the_perm_powder_plant_caught_fire_in/
 
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Russia’s Putin To Hand Over Keys To War While He Has Cancer Surgery

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:liar: FAKE NEWS . . .

Ukraine admits ‘Ghost of Kyiv’ fighter pilot is a myth

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 5133541047
 
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Rep. Anthony Sabatini

THERE SHOULD BE NO AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT IN UKRAINE

https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/sta ... 0976026627

Help me understand, do you think we should stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and intelligence?
Do you think we should stop rallying the Europeans behind Ukraine?
 
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Vintage wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Rep. Anthony Sabatini

THERE SHOULD BE NO AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT IN UKRAINE

https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/sta ... 0976026627

Help me understand, do you think we should stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and intelligence?
Do you think we should stop rallying the Europeans behind Ukraine?


It's unfortunately no surprise that part of the American political scene would not support a fight for democracy... They certainly don't fight for it at home.
Not to mention that some of this party's fascination for Putin seems to be enduring, even to this day.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 5:52 pm

Vintage wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Rep. Anthony Sabatini

THERE SHOULD BE NO AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT IN UKRAINE

https://twitter.com/AnthonySabatini/sta ... 0976026627

Help me understand, do you think we should stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and intelligence?
Do you think we should stop rallying the Europeans behind Ukraine?


Anyone with any knowledge of military aviation or just common sense knew that the Ghost of Kiev was an amalgamation of the relatively small number of Ukrainian pilots defending Kyiv in the early days of the war, when most assumed that Russia would get air dominance soon enough. The early days of the invasion or as one Donald Trump called it an act of ‘genius’.
(Haven’t the Trump fans been quiet on this subject? Wrong side of history must suck. And don’t try his panicked later BS that if he was still in office it wouldn’t have happened. His attitude to Putin was clear to all and his enablers, the organization he and Putin hated and he wanted the US out of, has stepped up. His interest in Ukraine was limited to an unsuccessful attempt to get political dirt. Just as well for Ukraine he wasn’t still there).

For those with no experience in the national culture of being under military attack, to rally people for defence does create myths.
The Battle of Britain being one, the numbers were more evenly matched, the reason it went badly for the Luftwaffe for the first time was because for the first time they were up against a well planned integrated air defence system, the world’s first.
Not ‘the few’ really.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 7:00 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
:liar: FAKE NEWS . . .

Ukraine admits ‘Ghost of Kyiv’ fighter pilot is a myth

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 5133541047



Ukrainian military said early in the war that it was not a one pilot thing but the collective. Just civilians believing.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 8:36 pm

Greetings to the Russian army, you have reached the next milestone.
Tanks (600, of which destroyed: 312, damaged: 17, abandoned: 49, captured: 222)

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Please note, most of us here (with few exceptions, but this is OK) wish you the best on your way to reach the next milestones as fast as possible.
We all (as already said, with few exceptions) are happy, to see your progress in this listing.

With best wishes.

The 4th of the Four
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 8:39 pm

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It's unfortunately no surprise that part of the American political scene would not support a fight for democracy... They certainly don't fight for it at home.
Not to mention that some of this party's fascination for Putin seems to be enduring, even to this day.

Why would an American neocon oppose Russian expansion?

Russia is the neocon ultimate dream, it was created in 1990-91 by Russia's most greedy communist era overlords with the advice and training of the hoard of American neocons who traveled to Russia to offer advice on how to create the ultimate capitalist society: a society devoid of any sign of liberalism.

Putin's Russia is an example of the Leo Strauss / Ayn Rand dream fulfilled.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 10:08 pm

Klaus wrote:
MohawkWeekend wrote:
But if you were going to do a false flag operation, this would be the time and place.

It would be really bad for that, though, as it would do significant psychological harm to the Putin regime and undermine its credibility even if there was just some disruption without actual damage.


Naw man, a false flag doesn't seem to work at this time. VP already has most of the population backing him; those who don't, already know how fake a Ukr attack in Moscow would be. The rest of the world would never believe it either.

To any thinking person, a Ukrainian attach on civilians in Moscow would harm their fight. Facilities near the border are another issue, but even then, not civvies have been harmed, which is more we can say about Russian attacks in Ukraine.
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 11:13 pm

Everything quit in the east....still more enough fighting and shelling, but no attacks.
May 2, 5:15 pm ET

Russian forces did not conduct any confirmed ground attacks in Ukraine on May 2. The April 30 Ukrainian artillery strike on the Russian command post in Izyum may be continuing to disrupt Russian efforts on the Izyum axis. Russian troops on the Donetsk-Luhansk frontline and Southern Axis continued to regroup, likely in preparation for renewed offensives or to resist or reverse Ukrainian counter-offensives.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-2
 
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Mon May 02, 2022 11:21 pm

“Dashcam” footage from a Russian ka-52 helicopter attacking Hostomel, then getting shot down. The pilots manage to make a safe emergency landing.

This is from the early days of the conflict. Probably, though not confirmed, the well document ka-52 that landed intact in a field.

https://www.dumpert.nl/?selectedId=100029555_68578a4e
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 12:05 am

T4thH wrote:
Everything quit in the east....still more enough fighting and shelling, but no attacks.


Unconfirmed report of Ukrainian gains/Russian withdraw in area just north of Karkiv.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/2 ... ar-Kharkiv

bt
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 12:34 am

bikerthai wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Everything quit in the east....still more enough fighting and shelling, but no attacks.


Unconfirmed report of Ukrainian gains/Russian withdraw in area just north of Karkiv.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/2 ... ar-Kharkiv

bt


The battle near the city was already on 01-May, seems also the retreat to the other site of the dam.
Also the Russian army has been already pushed back around Charkov to 25 km was already done/completed on 01-May.
Question is, have they been taken back to the new frontline by the generals...or have the troops just decided not to fight and to make a reverse offense. Seems on 02-May, the Ukrainian forces have not moved any more. There have been some hard and bloody days for both sites around Charkov. Both sites have to count the losses and to recover.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 12:53 am

T4thH wrote:
The battle near the city was already on 01-May, seems also the retreat to the other site of the dam.
Also the Russian army has been already pushed back around Charkov to 25 km was already done/completed on 01-May.
Question is, have they been taken back to the new frontline by the generals...or have the troops just decided not to fight and to make a reverse offense. Seems on 02-May, the Ukrainian forces have not moved any more. There have been some hard and bloody days for both sites around Charkov. Both sites have to count the losses and to recover.

My sources show that Staryy Saltiv has been in Russian hands at least for the last two weeks and that the Russians had been making gains south east in that local sector. As of yesterday I show the front lines to be about 7.5 miles SE of Staryy Saltiv.

It would be truly remarkable if the Russian lines collapsed so completely so quickly there.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 2:04 am

Vintage wrote:
T4thH wrote:
The battle near the city was already on 01-May, seems also the retreat to the other site of the dam.
Also the Russian army has been already pushed back around Charkov to 25 km was already done/completed on 01-May.
Question is, have they been taken back to the new frontline by the generals...or have the troops just decided not to fight and to make a reverse offense. Seems on 02-May, the Ukrainian forces have not moved any more. There have been some hard and bloody days for both sites around Charkov. Both sites have to count the losses and to recover.

My sources show that Staryy Saltiv has been in Russian hands at least for the last two weeks and that the Russians had been making gains south east in that local sector. As of yesterday I show the front lines to be about 7.5 miles SE of Staryy Saltiv.

It would be truly remarkable if the Russian lines collapsed so completely so quickly there.

No, they have still not captured Staryy Saltiv, but it is now (at 9.30 pm) contested. Seems to be confirmed by phone call with local. So they are there. And it seems the Ukraian army is on the move.
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1521195694530433025?cxt=HHwWgsC45ZXbr5wqAAAA

I think, the battle of Charkov has ended. Question is, do they retreat (controlled and on order,/as planned) or do they run?
Perhaps they will retreat behind the east site of the Siwerskiy Donez, to have a new frontline, they are able to defend. just blow up the bridges, when the last units have crossed...Sorry, Russian army...before the last Russian units have crossed, so the Ukrainian army can not follow. So the whole Charkov site up to the Russian border will be soon back in Ukranian hands? We will see in next days or even hours.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 2:37 am

T4thH wrote:
Vintage wrote:
My sources show that Staryy Saltiv has been in Russian hands at least for the last two weeks and that the Russians had been making gains south east in that local sector. As of yesterday I show the front lines to be about 7.5 miles SE of Staryy Saltiv.

It would be truly remarkable if the Russian lines collapsed so completely so quickly there.

No, they have still not captured Staryy Saltiv, but it is now (at 9.30 pm) contested. Seems to be confirmed by phone call with local. So they are there. And it seems the Ukraian army is on the move.

OK, Staryy Saltiv was in Russian hands from April 4th until today.
And the Russian collapse in that sector is remarkable, the Ukrainians did advance 7.5 miles there in the last 24 hours.

We can hope that yesterday's strike on the Generals in Izium is a turning point.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 3:38 am

Not seeing this in english media, but did Hungary knew of the invasion???

Ukrainian secretary of defense Ołeksij Daniłow claims that russia informed Hungary of its planned invasion of Ukraine!
Supposadly Hungary expected to be gifted some Ukrainian land. Could this be a response to the false russian claims that Poland wanted to claim western Ukraine??
google translation
"Hungary was previously warned by Russia about an attack on Ukraine - said the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Oleksiy Danilov.

- Hungary openly declares cooperation with Russia. Moreover, Putin had warned them earlier that there would be an attack on our country, he said, answering questions about the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO and possible Hungarian influence on this process.

- For some reason, Hungary thought that it could take over part of Ukrainian territory. We will see the consequences for this country after the war - he said."

Sorry in polish so far.
https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/wegry- ... ne/zeg7gkd
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 3:57 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/vcdgf555/sta ... 3473463296

Kind of shocked that Turkey has not been able to negotiate the release of these 2 A400 transports. I wonder if Russia is keeping these aircraft there as a way of pressuring them not to supply Ukraine with any advanced weapons.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 6:11 am

The Russians are apparently using Soviet-era tyres:

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 9000423426

Photos of a Grad launcher that was captured by the Ukrainians show its tyres to have extensive cracks in the sidewall, consistent with age and sun rot. The manufacturing marks proclaim that the tyres were made in the USSR. The tyres could easily be as old as 31 years old, and the script appears to suggest that it was originally intended for export.

The truck's rims also appear to be missing a number of lug nuts that would secure it to the hub, and it doesn't appear to be a recent job; no fresh metal exposed, or rust.

Considering the age of the tyres and the deterioration, you don't put these tyres on a major piece of equipment unless you are desperate; these tyres in any other circumstance would be far too old to be of use and be safe to drive on.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 8:06 am

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polyti ... etary.html

If true, Hungary (well, rather Orban) has a lot more to answer for. If unconfirmed, Ukraine really needs to keep a lid on some things, those are some extremely serious accusations to be thrown around.

There's recent precedent, though.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukra ... A720141020
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 8:11 am

JJJ wrote:
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3473473-putin-warned-hungary-in-advance-of-plan-to-invade-ukraine-nsdc-secretary.html

If true, Hungary (well, rather Orban) has a lot more to answer for. If unconfirmed, Ukraine really needs to keep a lid on some things, those are some extremely serious accusations to be thrown around.

There's recent precedent, though.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukra ... A720141020


But the Hungarian leader is so great, he’s keeping the heads of snowflakes spinning, etc.

Well spin that!

This is extremely bad and does it have a place in NATO anymore?
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Tue May 03, 2022 10:32 am

Inside an abandoned BMD-4M, the main fighting vehicle of the supposed elite VDV airborne troops, full of ammo.
You would think the crew would at least destroy it to prevent it falling into enemy hands, some sources claim the Ukrainians have captured a number of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P35Kl0Douo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMD-4

Not a clapped out drawn from reserve vehicle either.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 11:39 am

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... _&ref_url=

Could simply be a coincidence, but it made me chuckle. There have been numerous mysterious fires breaking out in Russia recently.

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