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Thu May 05, 2022 3:32 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
There have been numerous mysterious fires breaking out in Russia recently.


or fires in Russia simply get more coverage these days.

best regards
Thomas



This polish article has a map of all the recent “fires” in russia. Definitely a good amount to be noticeable.

Of course all the wildfires in Siberia are a different story, and the lack of manpower to fight them.

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiad ... w,79cfc278

Facinating link:
A "serial arsonist" has been circulating in Russia for several days. Every day there is new information about explosions and fires in different regions of the country.
...
There was an explosion and a fire on the premises of the key rocket ammunition factory for the Grad and Smiercz launchers, used in the war with Ukraine.
...
Previous fires involved, among others military research institute in Tver, heating oil tanks in Mytiszki, oil storage facility in Bryansk, shopping center in Ishim and power plant on Sakhalin Island.


More worth reading. Someone is going wild...

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Thu May 05, 2022 5:21 pm

lightsaber wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

or fires in Russia simply get more coverage these days.

best regards
Thomas



This polish article has a map of all the recent “fires” in russia. Definitely a good amount to be noticeable.

Of course all the wildfires in Siberia are a different story, and the lack of manpower to fight them.

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiad ... w,79cfc278

Facinating link:
A "serial arsonist" has been circulating in Russia for several days. Every day there is new information about explosions and fires in different regions of the country.
...
There was an explosion and a fire on the premises of the key rocket ammunition factory for the Grad and Smiercz launchers, used in the war with Ukraine.
...
Previous fires involved, among others military research institute in Tver, heating oil tanks in Mytiszki, oil storage facility in Bryansk, shopping center in Ishim and power plant on Sakhalin Island.


More worth reading. Someone is going wild...

Lightsaber


Wouldn't be too surprising if it was organised resistance either by Ukrainians living in Russia or by Russian who have had enough.
 
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Thu May 05, 2022 6:34 pm

 
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Thu May 05, 2022 6:39 pm

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Really, really angry birds! :rotfl:
 
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Thu May 05, 2022 6:48 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:


This polish article has a map of all the recent “fires” in russia. Definitely a good amount to be noticeable.

Of course all the wildfires in Siberia are a different story, and the lack of manpower to fight them.

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiad ... w,79cfc278

Facinating link:
A "serial arsonist" has been circulating in Russia for several days. Every day there is new information about explosions and fires in different regions of the country.
...
There was an explosion and a fire on the premises of the key rocket ammunition factory for the Grad and Smiercz launchers, used in the war with Ukraine.
...
Previous fires involved, among others military research institute in Tver, heating oil tanks in Mytiszki, oil storage facility in Bryansk, shopping center in Ishim and power plant on Sakhalin Island.


More worth reading. Someone is going wild...

Lightsaber


Wouldn't be too surprising if it was organised resistance either by Ukrainians living in Russia or by Russian who have had enough.


Sorry, but this is only western NATO propaganda. These were only smoking accidents.
Look at that enlistment office in Russia. Can you not see it? Do not smoke, smoking kills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/uiydgh/russian_throws_molotov_cocktails_into_a_military/

It is the same with all of these railway bridges in Russia. These are all cases of Petrophaga lorioti. Concrete is the natiral habitat of the Petrophaga lorioti. Just check Wikipedia.

So what the hell are you all talking about?
 
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Thu May 05, 2022 7:18 pm

T4thH wrote:
These are all cases of Petrophaga lorioti. Concrete is the natiral habitat of the Petrophaga lorioti.


Ah. So it is a biological weapon developed by NATO, specifically Germany!

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Thu May 05, 2022 8:05 pm

bikerthai wrote:
T4thH wrote:
These are all cases of Petrophaga lorioti. Concrete is the natiral habitat of the Petrophaga lorioti.


Ah. So it is a biological weapon developed by NATO, specifically Germany!

bt

The first here, to be able to understand the greatness of Russian propaganda...sorry, only truth.

Yes the Steinlaus....in their natural habitat, concrete (and sometimes also a little bit of steel).
https://de-de.facebook.com/die.steinlaus/videos/loriot-die-steinlaus/1871406858844/

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And now something totally different.
The Ukrainian military has now also official announced the counter offense of Charkov. We have seen it already since few days.
https://liveuamap.com/de/2022/5-may-defense-forces-of-ukraine-move-to-counteroffensive
I have seen some news yesterday, that the Russian BTGs on the west site of the Siverskji Donez have been already pulled out, left behind are some units to slow down the Ukrainian advances. The bridges over the Siverskij Donez have been already blown up.
Sorry, no source. I have not saved the link.
The battle of Charkov is over.

The BTGs of these divisions are in part now seen at the front in Izium (west site).

From same source (I have not any more the link).
All these BTGs, who had lost the Kiev battle in the north and north-east one month ago.... Thse were all units from the far east and few high level airborne forces, are out of the game (with exception of these few survivors of the airborne forces).
These forces are out of the big Russia-Ukraine war game. It was expected, they would be refilled and rearmed and thrown again back into battle after one month. This has not occurred. They have been neither rearmed, not refilled. They are now digging trenches along the Ukrainian-Russian border along Kursk and digging in. They will now only defend the Russian Ukrainian border on Russian site of the border. These units are done.
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Thu May 05, 2022 8:25 pm

T4thH wrote:
Sorry, but this is only western NATO propaganda. These were only smoking accidents.
Look at that enlistment office in Russia. Can you not see it? Do not smoke, smoking kills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/uiydgh/russian_throws_molotov_cocktails_into_a_military/


The guy goes after his own cocktail to re-chuck it. It's a nation of madmen, just like I saw on the car crash videos. Suki blyat!
 
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Thu May 05, 2022 10:27 pm

 
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Fri May 06, 2022 5:51 am

T4thH wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Facinating link:
A "serial arsonist" has been circulating in Russia for several days. Every day there is new information about explosions and fires in different regions of the country.
...
There was an explosion and a fire on the premises of the key rocket ammunition factory for the Grad and Smiercz launchers, used in the war with Ukraine.
...
Previous fires involved, among others military research institute in Tver, heating oil tanks in Mytiszki, oil storage facility in Bryansk, shopping center in Ishim and power plant on Sakhalin Island.


More worth reading. Someone is going wild...

Lightsaber


Wouldn't be too surprising if it was organised resistance either by Ukrainians living in Russia or by Russian who have had enough.


Sorry, but this is only western NATO propaganda. These were only smoking accidents.
Look at that enlistment office in Russia. Can you not see it? Do not smoke, smoking kills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/uiydgh/russian_throws_molotov_cocktails_into_a_military/

It is the same with all of these railway bridges in Russia. These are all cases of Petrophaga lorioti. Concrete is the natiral habitat of the Petrophaga lorioti. Just check Wikipedia.

So what the hell are you all talking about?


Looks like the Russian army have lost someone who has what they clearly lack, an understanding of the military adage that ‘prior preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance!’
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 8:05 am

GDB wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:

Wouldn't be too surprising if it was organised resistance either by Ukrainians living in Russia or by Russian who have had enough.


Sorry, but this is only western NATO propaganda. These were only smoking accidents.
Look at that enlistment office in Russia. Can you not see it? Do not smoke, smoking kills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/uiydgh/russian_throws_molotov_cocktails_into_a_military/

It is the same with all of these railway bridges in Russia. These are all cases of Petrophaga lorioti. Concrete is the natiral habitat of the Petrophaga lorioti. Just check Wikipedia.

So what the hell are you all talking about?


Looks like the Russian army have lost someone who has what they clearly lack, an understanding of the military adage that ‘prior preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance!’


That’s not all they’ve lost - News Corp is reporting that Russia is reportedly running out of missiles:

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/st ... 659075e593


I also saw a report while I was waiting to meet with my surgeon that Putin has apologised to Israel over Lavrov’s stupid outburst. No source, it was flashed across the bottom of the screen on ABCNews24 (Australia).

Edit: thanks BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61339749.amp
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 9:35 am

alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520751761073614848

On a more humorous note, it looks like toy trucks decorated with the Z letter are being introduced into toy stores for any patriotic Russian parents to buy for their children. There's a big chunk of the population who support this war and simply don't believe that their soldiers would commit any atrocious. One thing that Russia excels at is proganda and controlling the narrative to make sure it has the support of its populace.


Many both support the war, and support the atrocities.
That's russia in a nutshell.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 11:12 am

Claims that another Russian warship is one fire, this time a frigate of Admiral Grigorovich-class.

Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate of the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet is reportedly on fire near Zmiiny island in Black Sea. Rescue operation ongoing, multiple aircraft, rescue vessels in the area


https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/15 ... 5750146048
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 11:19 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Claims that another Russian warship is one fire, this time a frigate of Admiral Grigorovich-class.

Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate of the Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet is reportedly on fire near Zmiiny island in Black Sea. Rescue operation ongoing, multiple aircraft, rescue vessels in the area


https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/15 ... 5750146048


Maybe the one which, with other vessels, launched those Cruise Missiles at Syria, with a similar high failure rate as seen in Ukraine, not including the four that managed to hit Iran!
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 11:56 am

Recent videos of the front lines shows that the ground is drying up. Can we expect a last great push of mass armor attack, or are the Russian force too spent.

bt
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 2:17 pm

bikerthai wrote:
Recent videos of the front lines shows that the ground is drying up. Can we expect a last great push of mass armor attack, or are the Russian force too spent.

bt


Answer: NO.
There is this issue with mud season in northern half of Ukraine. Russia has already lost there and more or less completely withdrawn (with exception near Charkov, where the are already ...performing fast offensive movements...backwards, all BTGs have been already pulled out, left are some small units to slow down the Ukrainan progress).
The southern half is much more in favor of tanks, it is much more dry and there is no real mud season.
They have already everything thrown in, they were able to throw in. They are already all in, all units are already there and they are still not able to deliver the goods and ammunition to the front, they have to. And it will not any more getting better; there are too many smokers in Russia and the Petrophaga lorioti cases are also not getting better. Railway bridges are their natural habitat.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Russian soldiers shooting with a (captured Ukrainian) anti tank gun.
Just check at second 27. Do you see it flying by? This was a close call for this guy and its seems he is not even fully aware, that he has been near missed
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ujhwwj/russian_volunteers_using_ukrainian_%D0%BC%D1%8212_antitank/
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Fri May 06, 2022 2:21 pm

So the next phase of the war would be for the Ukrainians to methodically destroy the Russian artillery.

Then Russia will have no cards left and force to declare victory and go home.

Some account on the tactics of the recent fighting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... v.amp.html

This type of battle shows how the M113 can be useful. They may not have the weapons of the BMPs but can protect troops from artillery better than regular trucks.


bt
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 2:58 pm

Breaking news: Russia is loosing the next ship, a high end frigate Projekts 11356 near Ukrainian Snake Island. Has been hit by a land based Neptun anti ship rocket and is on fire and dead in water.

I am just looking now for a nice link.
Original source:
https://dumskaya.net/news/u-zmeinogo-gorit-rossiyskiy-fregat-164010/

So "to be confirmed".
(just for your information, I have already seen first rumors of the burning ship this morning, so it seems was already hit this night.)
 
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CaucasianReb ... 8599286784

Possible unconfirmed footage of the ship burning.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 3:29 pm

alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaucasianRebel/status/1522567718599286784

Possible unconfirmed footage of the ship burning.


If that is this particular ship, it's in big trouble. The foredeck where that large fire appears to be is where several ammunition magazines are located. Even if it doesn't sink, it's a mission kill. It will be two years in a shipyard to fix that level of burnout, or if they have not successfully flooded the magazines it will go boom and they won't have to worry about a shipyard. I kinda seems like Russian ships can't take a hit very well. Too bad, so sad.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 3:32 pm

Maybe the US are ckecking out what happened ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2bbf3ce4
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 3:46 pm

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Maybe the US are ckecking out what happened ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2bbf3ce4

Maybe they want to assist in search and rescue? The regular local SAR organization is kind a preoccupied at the moment. :)
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 4:03 pm

oldJoe wrote:
Maybe the US are ckecking out what happened ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2bbf3ce4


Any explanation why they are flying at the southern edge of the Romanian border as opposed to closer to the northern border?

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Fri May 06, 2022 4:15 pm

There's a Luxembourg E-3A over Romania, that is not flying its usual pattern, but instead is flying in a circle about as close to the Snake Island area as would be expected given their normal patterns of operation.

There's also an unidentified aircraft that has just left Mihail Kogalniceanu air base in the same area.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 4:18 pm

bikerthai wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Maybe the US are ckecking out what happened ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2bbf3ce4


Any explanation why they are flying at the southern edge of the Romanian border as opposed to closer to the northern border?

bt



If they flew any further north, the would get too close to Yalta on the Crimean peninsula. The Global Hawk drone is flying quite high and have a good view.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 4:30 pm

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If they flew any further north, the would get too close to Yalta on the Crimean peninsula.

All along the ELINT aircraft have been giving wide berth to the borders of Moldova and even Ukraine.

flyingclrs727 wrote:
The Global Hawk drone is flying quite high and have a good view.

The Global Hawks have usually been out in the middle of the Black Sea in the past, one time they came within 100 miles of Sochi surprisingly enough.
Lately they have been spending their time closer to Romania.

But we have no idea if they are also out there with their transponders turned off.

And I seem to remember something about the DoD developing a stealth drone.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 4:41 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 889015.amp

More info pointing toward the ship being hit.

Looks like there's a couple more NATO air assets in the area taking a closer look.

bt
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 5:10 pm

bikerthai wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-russias-admiral-makarov-warship-26889015.amp

More info pointing toward the ship being hit.

Looks like there's a couple more NATO air assets in the area taking a closer look.

bt

That image is NOT the ship in question, see:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Selveste_/st ... 5250302976
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 5:57 pm

Yep beware of internet photos.

Was referring more to the reported air traffic I. The area.

“Now enemy aviation is operating in the ship's disaster zone, and ships of the Russian Navy have come out of the temporarily occupied Crimea to help the sinking ship."


Besides the E-3 a couple of other surveillance aircrafts rotated through the area. So something definitely going on there.

If you look at the current track of the UAV and triangulate with the track of the AEW aircraft, can we infer that the ship is moving (being towed) south?
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Fri May 06, 2022 6:33 pm

I believe, you can see the "quality" of an army, when you see, how they treat their own wounded soldiers...
Russian field hospital in Nova Basan, Chernigiv region

Sorry, if I use some not nice words. But what is this of a fucking hell of a field hospital?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/ujrhya/russian_field_hospital_in_nova_basan_chernigiv/
So to answer my question at the begin.
They treat them like shit. This field hospital is a pile of shit. This seems to be a story of the Napoleon times as of the year 2022. Every field hospital in Syria, I have seen in videos, is 100 times better than this hell.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 7:35 pm

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what is this of a fucking hell of a field hospital?

This would be karma for routinely bombing and shelling every hospital within the range of Russian troops. Not just in Ukraine, but everywhere the Russians show up.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 7:55 pm

The russian soldiers who end up in that level of field "hospital" are merely considered "meat" (cannon fodder) by their own superiors, and it's those superiors who tell them what to shoot at.

Quite a few of them are Donbass residents who were forcibly pressed into the fight against their own ukrainian compatriots.

The russian war machine is an unmitigated horror all around. Destroying any kind of humanity is its whole point!
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 7:58 pm

First hand account of fighting in Irpin and the east from a Canadian volunteer.

https://youtu.be/zN2NdiFJFh0

No slick videos, just realism in story telling.

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Fri May 06, 2022 10:46 pm

We can be sure that the Russians have hundreds of people on the job of monitoring aircraft flights in the region around Ukraine, they are also interfacing with their people near airports, road and rail junctions, as well as the people they certainly have watching airbases in the region. They also get information from satellites, their own and commercial satellites, as well as from their own ELINT aircraft. The people who are doing this are very good at their jobs, as the history of the last eighty or so years will show.

So anybody who has concerns that a poster posting about information gathered from FR24 or any other open source is giving anything away has gotten themselves in a tither about nothing.

There is no reason the public should not have access to information that everyone in all sides of the Ukrainian war already have. Keeping military nonsecrets from the American public not beneficial to anybody.
 
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Fri May 06, 2022 11:02 pm

Do the Ukrainians have any weapons that could reach out and touch the "Victory Parade" rumored to be held in Mariupol on Monday?
 
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Do the Ukrainians have any weapons that could reach out and touch the "Victory Parade" rumored to be held in Mariupol on Monday?

The Bayraktar TB2 and Switchblade 600s will both do that. Possibly even long range artillery with excalibur munitions.
The front line is only about 45 miles away.
 
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Nice to start the weekend with a smile:
https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/stat ... 86XjvnnFYA
 
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Sat May 07, 2022 2:51 pm

So far this week, Putin has managed:

- Outrage Israel and make them likely to clearly side in opposition to Russia.
- Get the EU more unified on stopping oil purchases.
- Making Central Asian and Caucasus countries start articulating clear breaks from Moscow altogether.
- causing their ally in Belorussia to publicly show frustration with the endless fighting.
- Even getting the Pope and the Vatican to clearly single out Russian clerical leaders, thus more directly taking a diplomatic stance against Moscow.

Whether this is all a good thing who knows, but no leader in modern history has destroyed his own country's standing and future for decades with more nations and institutions than has Putin to Russia. He is now assured one of the worst indictments of history of any man in the last 300 years at least.
 
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Sat May 07, 2022 3:29 pm

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He is now assured one of the worst indictments of history of any man in the last 300 years at least.

Make it 50 years, and we'll agree.
I mean, Hitler and Stalin still remain in their own special league when it comes to crimes against humanity.
If Putin goes nuclear, then he can join and surpass the special league.
 
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Sat May 07, 2022 3:37 pm

petertenthije wrote:
CometII wrote:
He is now assured one of the worst indictments of history of any man in the last 300 years at least.

Make it 50 years, and we'll agree.
I mean, Hitler and Stalin still remain in their own special league when it comes to crimes against humanity.
If Putin goes nuclear, then he can join and surpass the special league.



And Mao, still venerated by that regime despite his bloody rule.
 
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GDB wrote:

Really, really angry birds! :rotfl:


Birds aren't real!
 
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Sat May 07, 2022 7:44 pm

You have to admire the resilience of the Ukranians. They still manage to keep cool and upbeat with all that mayhem going on around them. Unlike their Russian counterparts, sorry, cowards, who don't seem to have a spine among the lot of them:
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 6236237825
 
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Sat May 07, 2022 8:07 pm

It would be a real shame if a cloud of missiles and drones were to rain down on that parade in Mariupol.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sat May 07, 2022 8:34 pm

Flaps wrote:
It would be a real shame if a cloud of missiles and drones were to rain down on that parade in Mariupol.

I wish I knew which street the parade is to be held on. The max range of a 155mm excalaber round is about 43.5 miles, and the front lines are currently near the village of Novotroits'ke. This would put about half of Mariupol within range.

The Bayraktar TB2 and Switchblade 600s can wreck their parade too.
I wonder if the Ukrainians will try.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sat May 07, 2022 10:20 pm

petertenthije wrote:
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He is now assured one of the worst indictments of history of any man in the last 300 years at least.

Make it 50 years, and we'll agree.
I mean, Hitler and Stalin still remain in their own special league when it comes to crimes against humanity.
If Putin goes nuclear, then he can join and surpass the special league.


I understand what you mean, I actually meant "30" years, sorry. I was counting the post-Soviet era as true "modern history" in the sense of how the world order is. Which comes out neatly to the last 3 decades.
 
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sun May 08, 2022 2:58 am

I don't get how these aircraft made it, I would think the Russian navy would have dozens of radars looking up and missiles ready to protect their ships if nothing else.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sun May 08, 2022 3:01 am

Aesma wrote:
I don't get how these aircraft made it, I would think the Russian navy would have dozens of radars looking up and missiles ready to protect their ships if nothing else.


I can’t find an official source but I read somewhere that TB2s took out the SAM systems on the island the day before. Still one would expect better SAM and air defense at the very least.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sun May 08, 2022 3:11 am

Aesma wrote:
I don't get how these aircraft made it, I would think the Russian navy would have dozens of radars looking up and missiles ready to protect their ships if nothing else.



One frigate was supposed to have been hit the day before, so wonder if there are any radar coveragee from the sea side.

The Drive article explained that the aircraft were coming low (above the waves?) from the sea side, so the defender probably did not get word from the brass to re-locate their radar and AA assert to cover the sea side as well now that the Frigate is gone.

If you step back and look at the sequence of events, you would wonder if the whole series of raids were planned with one kill setting up the next in a well organized campaign. Something apparently the Russian are un able to do.

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Sun May 08, 2022 4:22 am

Do we know why Snake island is so strategically important?
It has been in the spotlight since early in the war and may have some symbolic value, but would Ukrainian air assets not be better used striking Russian targets on the Eastern front?

I know that defending The southwestern coast is primordial, but Snake hardly seems like a suitable bridgehead for a land invasion of the area west of Odessa, especially given the state of the Russian fleet in the Black Sea.
That said, I'm obviously no military expert, even of the armchair variety.

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