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Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:51 am

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Looks like Steven Segal is giving his expert opinion on the conflict. Is there anything this man does not know?


He definitely doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut...

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Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:52 am

I make no claims as to how this was done. I guess for me the more interesting part is the aviation topic. The Drive sums it up pretty nicely in terms of what was lost and what was there.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:16 am

Just for information. Yesterday there were news, that there were 6 or 7 explosions heard near or at Ziabrovka airfield in Belorussia, which is used by Russia to attack Ukraine from the north.

Today this:
Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of equipment caught fire

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wljzxn/ministry_of_defense_of_belarus_says_explosions/
Airports used by Russian Airforce near Ukraine tend to pop....
Iwan, do not smoke next to the fuel tanks and the ammunition....And do not play football with these duds.

EDIT: There was another explosion 160 km from next front line at the north of Crimea.
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/10-august-big-fire-after-explosions-at-chonhar
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:40 pm

T4thH wrote:
Today this:
Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of equipment caught fire


At least they did not say it was military excersise.

The most logical denial for the Ukrainians would be Belarusian saboteurs (armed by the Ukrainians of course).

bt
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:45 pm

T4thH wrote:
Just for information. Yesterday there were news, that there were 6 or 7 explosions heard near or at Ziabrovka airfield in Belorussia, which is used by Russia to attack Ukraine from the north.

Today this:
Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of equipment caught fire


Must've been a big fire:
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/statu ... 6515425281
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:17 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/sta ... 2429819907

On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:21 pm

alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.


It's. Just. Epic.

I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:48 pm

scbriml wrote:
alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.


It's. Just. Epic.

I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.


Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

More MLRS from the UK, so far 3 have been sent, along with others from other NATO nations, presumably as before, they will be replaced in British Army service by more of the 12 stored by Norway in 2005 and updated.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain ... o-ukraine/
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:33 pm

GDB wrote:
scbriml wrote:
alberchico wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.


It's. Just. Epic.

I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.


Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

“Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:19 pm

marcelh wrote:
GDB wrote:
scbriml wrote:

It's. Just. Epic.

I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.


Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

“Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….

US Strategic Bombing Survey of WWII disagrees.
Preface of each section of course praises USAAF practices, and blasts Bomber Command for inefficient night time bombing.
Then you look into the section, and voila -- efficiency of Bomber Command work is actually high.

Plus, don't forget. Even if combined bomber offensive did not hit a single target, it shortened the war considerably: Nazis had to reallocate resources, curtailing bomber production significantly, to make fighters to defend the reich. All those 88 mm flak pieces would be blasting tanks in the Eastern Front, if they were not pointed into the Reich sky. And God knows what sort of rocketry and other technological advances Germany would come up with, if they didn't have to rebuild factories each time they were bombed, and didn't have to dig factories deeper and hide them better.
No, Combined Bomber Offensive kept Nazis on their toes.

Italy? Wasn't it knocked out of the war with a massive air raid on Rome? When the Great Fascist Council fired and arrested Mussolini, and summoned comms channels with the Allies to sue for armistice?
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:23 pm

marcelh wrote:
GDB wrote:
scbriml wrote:

It's. Just. Epic.

I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.


Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

“Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….


Nope. Provided the only way to directly strike Nazi Germany for 2 years, thousands of troops and 88mm guns not on the fighting fronts but at home, as well as many fighter aircraft, whenever technology became available to increase accuracy, such as Gee, H2S and others, it was embraced. As were daylight precision missions when possible.

Albert Speer disagreed with you on the effects, as did from a very different perspective, in the early 90's, when a statue of him was unveiled, some people far too young to have known anything, protested, according to a report I read in a paper, not themselves totally happy with it, which encountered a young German, tourist or student, who told one of the protestors 'don't you get it, he made us behave!'
55% loss rate and still the volunteers for his force came forward, so they knew more than you the importance, you can have your opinion in no small part due to these heroes.

Back to topic, no appeasement in Ukraine thankfully, still the questions around the strike on the Crimea airbase, here Justin Bronk, an analyst with RUSI, has I think the most likely way they did it;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMbajAGHjNE

Even the normally sober Mr Bronk has difficulty hiding his delight at those Russians fleeing.

Well, there is a You Tube Channel consisting of intercepted cellphone calls, mostly likely stolen and looted,so not encrypted to miltary standard, of Russians usually, to their relatives.
Some disturbing and disgraceful audio content, from invaders admitting atrocities, sometimes in horror, sometimes pleasure, sometimes who they are calling are horrified, sometimes gleeful.
Shock and incredulity at what their sons or husbands are telling them about their own military in many of them too.
Most of those they are calling are utterly deluded about the war due to Putin's media control, not so much after some of these calls, much less after this hit on Crimea.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPzy5f ... MgQ/videos

This will spread like wildfire, Putin's media grip will not be able to cover this up, their cover so far is bad enough, 'not the Ukrainians, just our total incompetence, again'.
And that's why my comparison to Sir Arthur Harris's quote about the arrogance of an aggressor thinking they are immune from direct retaliation, stands.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:34 pm

    marcelh wrote:
    “Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….


    But you know what? Those tens of thousands of civilian would have been killed anyway when the allies have to dig out the German army from every basement of those buildings that would not have been bombed.

    It's one of those what ifs that we would never know.

    However, we should know how many German civilians were killed when the Russian army rolled through those Easten German cities. Now are those deaths any more meaningful since they DID quicken the end of the war?

    Let's not diminish the meaning of a phrase by pointing out the flaws of the person who spoke it.

    We at a-net get enough of it to go around.

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    Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:05 pm

    marcelh wrote:
    GDB wrote:
    scbriml wrote:

    It's. Just. Epic.

    I almost feel sorry for those crying women having to go back to Russia, or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. Then I think about Ukrainian POWs being butchered and Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered and Ukrainian women being raped and I give myself a good talking to. Then I laugh at the crying Russians.


    Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

    “Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….
    ...and helped to liberate the Netherlands.
     
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    Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:46 pm

    johns624 wrote:
    marcelh wrote:
    GDB wrote:

    Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

    “Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….
    ...and helped to liberate the Netherlands.


    Oh dear, that's an inconvenient truth.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:13 am

    johns624 wrote:
    marcelh wrote:
    GDB wrote:

    Indeed, for me, my mind went back to a quote from 80 years ago from Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris;
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... QF6BAgMEAg

    “Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….
    ...and helped to liberate the Netherlands.


    And then, with the USAAF, to feed them to avoid a catastrophic famine;
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-32572810

    After endangering the Chernobyl site early on, while very likely irradiating some of their own men, nuclear threats continue, not just with weapons;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCHzlS_LLkQ
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:27 am

    scbriml wrote:
    johns624 wrote:
    marcelh wrote:
    “Bomber” Harris: responsible for killing tens of thousands civilians which didn’t end the war earlier….
    ...and helped to liberate the Netherlands.


    Oh dear, that's an inconvenient truth.
    That's the best kind! :D
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:32 am

    scbriml wrote:
    alberchico wrote:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

    On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.


    or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. .


    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:20 am

    A second set of AGM-88 HARM parts have been recoverd in the Kherson region. Regarding shrapnel holes, seems to got shot down and ended up in a house.
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/new-evidence-of-agm-88-anti-radiation-missile-use-by-ukraine-emerge

    Following sentence is interesting.
    On top of that, we have an official on-the-record confirmation from a senior Pentagon official that the U.S. government has transferred air-launched anti-radiation missiles to the Ukrainian armed forces that can be fired from at least one type of aircraft in the country's existing inventory.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:59 am

    tommy1808 wrote:
    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas

    The Ukranians have had some fun with it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-mocks- ... se-1732826
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:27 am

    tommy1808 wrote:
    scbriml wrote:
    alberchico wrote:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557621932429819907

    On the lighter side, this is some serious trolling by the Ukrainian govt.


    or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. .


    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas


    I saw the video on Twitter, but now I realise "Yulia" had posted it on Telegram.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/vic_top555/s ... 5074158593
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:34 am

    scbriml wrote:
    tommy1808 wrote:
    scbriml wrote:

    or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. .


    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas


    I saw the video on Twitter, but now I realise "Yulia" had posted it on Telegram.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/vic_top555/s ... 5074158593


    Thank you. I did read that she also bragged about being illegally in Germany.... and apparently people did share that with law enforcement: https://mobile.twitter.com/vic_top555/s ... 9431193600

    best regards
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:58 am

    Braybuddy wrote:
    tommy1808 wrote:
    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas

    The Ukranians have had some fun with it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-mocks- ... se-1732826


    That Ukrainian video had already been shared in this thread, but the one to which I was referring was one of a "fine, upstanding Russian women" on holiday in Germany, verbally abusing Ukrainians on the streets of Salzburg.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVide ... fugees_in/
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:49 am

    Is everyone aware here, that Ukraine is using high precise weapons with extended range beyond HIMARS in the south of Ukraine?
    There was the attack during daylight on the airbase in Crimea (so everyone/all tourists could see it at the beaches) with minimum three big impacts (3 big craters) in the north west part and additional hit in the northeast with one killed building + one Su24. In total 8 burned jets and 4 or more heavily damaged/beyond repair jets (all these who have not been moved after the attackk and are still parked on their position) + several others undamaged or lightly damaged which have been moved to new positions on the airfield. This was >200 km distance. Seems no one has seen, what has hit them.
    It seems there were additional attacks over/around here, bridges who connect Crimea with Ukraine. Perhaps not the bridges, but something nearby:
    https://www.google.ch/maps/@45.9876144,34.5533254,311m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
    around 160 km to the next front line.
    There were two or three others >120 km on HQs and storage places, barracks e.g. in last days, so beyond HIMARS.

    In the south, 4x or more S300 groups (and one S400?) have been destroyed in last days, so the ability for Russia to stop something has been harmed.

    What is it?? What is attacking them and has big warheads (200 kg or bigger according the crater size) and is precise enough to hit something with 10 to 50 m range or even less, 5 m.
     
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    T4thH wrote:
    Is everyone aware here, that Ukraine is using high precise weapons with extended range beyond HIMARS in the south of Ukraine?
    There was the attack during daylight on the airbase in Crimea (so everyone/all tourists could see it at the beaches) with minimum three big impacts (3 big craters) in the north west part and additional hit in the northeast with one killed building + one Su24. In total 8 burned jets and 4 or more heavily damaged/beyond repair jets (all these who have not been moved after the attackk and are still parked on their position) + several others undamaged or lightly damaged which have been moved to new positions on the airfield. This was >200 km distance. Seems no one has seen, what has hit them.
    It seems there were additional attacks over/around here, bridges who connect Crimea with Ukraine. Perhaps not the bridges, but something nearby:
    https://www.google.ch/maps/@45.9876144,34.5533254,311m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
    around 160 km to the next front line.
    There were two or three others >120 km on HQs and storage places, barracks e.g. in last days, so beyond HIMARS.

    In the south, 4x or more S300 groups (and one S400?) have been destroyed in last days, so the ability for Russia to stop something has been harmed.

    What is it?? What is attacking them and has big warheads (200 kg or bigger according the crater size) and is precise enough to hit something with 10 to 50 m range or even less, 5 m.


    Either they got MGM-140s or they managed to get some of these into service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrim-2

    best regards
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:19 am

    scbriml wrote:
    That Ukrainian video had already been shared in this thread, but the one to which I was referring was one of a "fine, upstanding Russian women" on holiday in Germany, verbally abusing Ukrainians on the streets of Salzburg.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVide ... fugees_in/

    Ah right, I wasn't aware of that video. Fair play to booking.com for cancelling her holiday. Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:31 am

    scbriml wrote:
    Braybuddy wrote:
    tommy1808 wrote:
    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas

    The Ukranians have had some fun with it:
    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-mocks- ... se-1732826


    That Ukrainian video had already been shared in this thread, but the one to which I was referring was one of a "fine, upstanding Russian women" on holiday in Germany, verbally abusing Ukrainians on the streets of Salzburg.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVide ... fugees_in/


    And now with English sub-titles. My sympathyometer is failing to register.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/EyeDu_R0W3_A ... 0536248320
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:05 am

    Speaking of Ukrainian trolling, here’s a way to cut down on Russian bots:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TDF_UA/statu ... 1002319872
     
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    I can't help but find it hilarious that Russia is providing cover for Ukrainian attacks : no no it's not them, move along !
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:32 am

    T4thH wrote:
    Is everyone aware here, that Ukraine is using high precise weapons with extended range beyond HIMARS in the south of Ukraine?


    Everyone here including linked web site have been speculating.

    Even government sources are not clear. Hinting that this was a SF operation. But that doesn't necessarily rule out a missile.

    We'll have to wait and see if the Russian find any missile debris. Even with such an explosion, the rocket motor for a large missile should be recoverable.

    bt
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:34 pm

    bikerthai wrote:
    T4thH wrote:
    Is everyone aware here, that Ukraine is using high precise weapons with extended range beyond HIMARS in the south of Ukraine?


    Everyone here including linked web site have been speculating.

    Even government sources are not clear. Hinting that this was a SF operation. But that doesn't necessarily rule out a missile.

    We'll have to wait and see if the Russian find any missile debris. Even with such an explosion, the rocket motor for a large missile should be recoverable.

    bt

    If they were to find evidence that Ukraine was responsible, there is no way they will reveal that publicly, it is more important for them to keep their population in the dark on their side of the fence versus letting them know the full dangers of their special military operation.
    If they do start letting their public know, the next thing to expect is general mobilization as they will be declaring an existential threat to the motherland.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:55 pm

    scbriml wrote:
    tommy1808 wrote:
    scbriml wrote:

    or the one crying on Twitter because her holiday got cancelled after she filmed herself abusing Ukrainians in Salzburg. .


    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas


    I saw the video on Twitter, but now I realise "Yulia" had posted it on Telegram.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/vic_top555/s ... 5074158593


    The words 'dumb blonde' come to mind.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:32 pm

    tommy1808 wrote:
    T4thH wrote:
    Is everyone aware here, that Ukraine is using high precise weapons with extended range beyond HIMARS in the south of Ukraine?
    There was the attack during daylight on the airbase in Crimea (so everyone/all tourists could see it at the beaches) with minimum three big impacts (3 big craters) in the north west part and additional hit in the northeast with one killed building + one Su24. In total 8 burned jets and 4 or more heavily damaged/beyond repair jets (all these who have not been moved after the attackk and are still parked on their position) + several others undamaged or lightly damaged which have been moved to new positions on the airfield. This was >200 km distance. Seems no one has seen, what has hit them.
    It seems there were additional attacks over/around here, bridges who connect Crimea with Ukraine. Perhaps not the bridges, but something nearby:
    https://www.google.ch/maps/@45.9876144,34.5533254,311m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
    around 160 km to the next front line.
    There were two or three others >120 km on HQs and storage places, barracks e.g. in last days, so beyond HIMARS.

    In the south, 4x or more S300 groups (and one S400?) have been destroyed in last days, so the ability for Russia to stop something has been harmed.

    What is it?? What is attacking them and has big warheads (200 kg or bigger according the crater size) and is precise enough to hit something with 10 to 50 m range or even less, 5 m.


    Either they got MGM-140s or they managed to get some of these into service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrim-2

    best regards
    Thomas

    Thanks, I was even not aware, they were working on this Hrim system. The craters seems a little bit to small for 500 kg. but this is always hard to say, it depends, if they explode on impact or with little delay e.g.. I say, minimum little more than 200, but sure less than 1000 kg, OK it fits. Also it seems they were not 100% precise as for western weapons can be, but more than precise enough, to do the job accordingly. The hits were at the walls of the shelters, not on the driveway in the middle between all these shelters, were they would have been even more destructive. (Or direct hits to the shelters) Still it was a near perfect job.
    If I am right...The warheads are big enough to destroy a bridge with one direct hit. But they will need more than one, to hit it.
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    Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

    Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:34 pm

    art wrote:
    scbriml wrote:
    tommy1808 wrote:

    Got a link to that? The crying bit, I have seen the Videos of her harrassing folks.

    Best regards
    Thomas


    I saw the video on Twitter, but now I realise "Yulia" had posted it on Telegram.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/vic_top555/s ... 5074158593


    The words 'dumb blonde' come to mind.


    Being dumb would almost make her actions forgivable, but having looked at some of her posts, she seems to take great delight in trolling anyone who shows any support for Ukraine.
    Image
    Source: https://pbs.twimg.com

    It might be a translation issue, but she seems to hold fairly extreme right-wing views. That said she shows support for Palestine, but I have a horrible feeling that's based on anti-semitism rather than any sympathy for the plight of Palestinians. She seems a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:38 pm

    The way I see it, the attack on the air base in Crimea is a message to the Russians. There are talks that on September 11th Russia is going annex the occupied territories, and then claim that any attack on those territories will cause Russia to response in the same way as an attack on any other part of Russia, including the use of nuclear weapons. The attack on the air base is the message that any occupied territory, including Crimea is considered to be Ukrainian. Therefore, even if Russia will claim them to be their land the Ukrainian attacks on the Russian forces will not stop.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:20 pm

    Some scum Wagner mercenaries dealt with;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-cyPkmVEY

    Seems Russia is manpower desperate, not surprised an outfit known for atrocities wasn't all that when faced with armed, determined opposition.
    Though you cannot rule out that group being boosted by some of these convicts Russia is reportedly releasing if they fight, (presumably long sentence ones then) and they earn too. Without being arrested.
    If so, they'd fit right in with Wagner.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:35 pm

    Vintage wrote:
    If I was in Germany I would be installing a modern airtight wood burning stove.
    They are clean and they put out a lot of heat.


    You wrote this about four weeks ago...

    ...this week the Swiss stove and heating technicians all said that if you order a wood stove *now*, it will be installed in February. At the earliest.
     
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    Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:48 pm

    Who is going ruskie hunting??? Not sure how true this is, but sure will help some Ukrainians in these tough times.

    From NEXTA
    “Money will be paid for captured Russian soldiers. The most expensive are officers and Kadyrovites - 500-600 dollars.

    The cheapest are the separatists of the "LPR/DPR": they are offered 200 dollars for them.”

    Polish news site Onet at 12:00. With link to twitter
    https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/przera ... wo/jrvhlw2
     
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    Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:01 am

    GDB wrote:
    Some scum Wagner mercenaries dealt with;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-cyPkmVEY

    Seems Russia is manpower desperate, not surprised an outfit known for atrocities wasn't all that when faced with armed, determined opposition.
    Though you cannot rule out that group being boosted by some of these convicts Russia is reportedly releasing if they fight, (presumably long sentence ones then) and they earn too. Without being arrested.
    If so, they'd fit right in with Wagner.


    This is one of many things that Russia should continue to be asked about until they produce a saisfactory explanation.

    Relatively early in proceedings, the Russians captured a Brit, an American and a third foreigner. They were Ukrainian passport holders,residents and members of the Ukrainian army,conscripts IIRC. They were condemned to death for,among other things, for being mercenaries. Russia should confirm whwther Wagner operatives are members of the Russian armed forces or not. If they are, then Russia is responsible for their conduct. If not, they are franc-tireurs, are can legitimately be left dangling from a tree. This could also include the retired Russian Air Force officer shot down, who admitted to having signed a ontract with the Wagner Company.
     
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    Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

    Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:30 pm

    VolvoBus wrote:
    GDB wrote:
    Some scum Wagner mercenaries dealt with;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-cyPkmVEY

    Seems Russia is manpower desperate, not surprised an outfit known for atrocities wasn't all that when faced with armed, determined opposition.
    Though you cannot rule out that group being boosted by some of these convicts Russia is reportedly releasing if they fight, (presumably long sentence ones then) and they earn too. Without being arrested.
    If so, they'd fit right in with Wagner.


    This is one of many things that Russia should continue to be asked about until they produce a saisfactory explanation.

    Relatively early in proceedings, the Russians captured a Brit, an American and a third foreigner. They were Ukrainian passport holders,residents and members of the Ukrainian army,conscripts IIRC. They were condemned to death for,among other things, for being mercenaries. Russia should confirm whwther Wagner operatives are members of the Russian armed forces or not. If they are, then Russia is responsible for their conduct. If not, they are franc-tireurs, are can legitimately be left dangling from a tree. This could also include the retired Russian Air Force officer shot down, who admitted to having signed a ontract with the Wagner Company.


    Russia uses Wagner for 'deniability', nonetheless captured ones should be warned that failure to answer will make others, who have encountered Wagner such as France, the US, want to speak to them, the latter in particular.
    Ultimately though, given their reputation the ICC awaits.
    Which is going to be very busy soon;
    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war- ... d-12671840
     
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    Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:14 pm

    Seems the Ukrainian army has had today a little bit fun in the south with the MARS II/ HIMARS. 10 strikes on 7 locations in 5 min and this during daylight. One or two of them are around 100 to 120 km from the frontline, Novotroitske is even more (130 to 140?)...if the MARS systems have stayed 10 km from the frontline....Maximum range and how to explain Novotroitske.
    Seems to be monitored by many different sources in social medias, (Twitter and Telegram e.g.)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wnesnv/map_of_point_strikes_on_the_positions_of_the/
     
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    Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:42 pm

    T4thH wrote:
    Seems the Ukrainian army has had today a little bit fun in the south with the MARS II/ HIMARS. 10 strikes on 7 locations in 5 min and this during daylight. One or two of them are around 100 to 120 km from the frontline, Novotroitske is even more (130 to 140?)...if the MARS systems have stayed 10 km from the frontline....Maximum range and how to explain Novotroitske.
    Seems to be monitored by many different sources in social medias, (Twitter and Telegram e.g.)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wnesnv/map_of_point_strikes_on_the_positions_of_the/

    A lot of secondary explosions in Nova Kakhovka:
    https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/statu ... 7468299270
     
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    Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:54 pm

    Braybuddy wrote:
    T4thH wrote:
    Seems the Ukrainian army has had today a little bit fun in the south with the MARS II/ HIMARS. 10 strikes on 7 locations in 5 min and this during daylight. One or two of them are around 100 to 120 km from the frontline, Novotroitske is even more (130 to 140?)...if the MARS systems have stayed 10 km from the frontline....Maximum range and how to explain Novotroitske.
    Seems to be monitored by many different sources in social medias, (Twitter and Telegram e.g.)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wnesnv/map_of_point_strikes_on_the_positions_of_the/

    A lot of secondary explosions in Nova Kakhovka:
    https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/statu ... 7468299270


    Move along, nothing to see here. Just our troops showing again they should not be allowed anywhere near explosives !
     
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    Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:30 pm

    T4thH wrote:
    Seems the Ukrainian army has had today a little bit fun in the south with the MARS II/ HIMARS.


    I was wondering why there were 3 NATO EW aircraft over Southern Romania today.

    Thanks for the info.

    bt
     
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:44 am

    Back to the subject of the air base attack. One posibility that is technically possible. However not sure if it is available to the UKR.

    Saab/Boeing has a HIMARs compatible rocket using the small diameter bomb as a warhead. It has a range of 150 km. I'm not sure if any have been built, but it have been available since 2015.

    https://www.saab.com/products/ground-la ... bomb-glsdb

    With this system you can reach the airport from Mykoliav.

    bt
     
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:36 am

    bikerthai wrote:
    Back to the subject of the air base attack. One posibility that is technically possible. However not sure if it is available to the UKR.

    Saab/Boeing has a HIMARs compatible rocket using the small diameter bomb as a warhead. It has a range of 150 km. I'm not sure if any have been built, but it have been available since 2015.

    https://www.saab.com/products/ground-la ... bomb-glsdb

    With this system you can reach the airport from Mykoliav.

    bt

    I go with Tommy's suggestion of the Ukrainian made Grom. It has a 300 mile range and an 1,100 pound warhead. It fits the bill perfectly. Ukraine was intending to have them in production by 2021, so they must have a completed design and completed flight testing already. The country of Ukraine is an established aerospace manufacturer.

    Also, I am reminded of GPS guidance kits that the Air Force sticks on dumb bombs. It seems the technology to provide GPS guidance is available in the marketplace.
     
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:55 am

    Vintage wrote:
    bikerthai wrote:
    Back to the subject of the air base attack. One posibility that is technically possible. However not sure if it is available to the UKR.

    Saab/Boeing has a HIMARs compatible rocket using the small diameter bomb as a warhead. It has a range of 150 km. I'm not sure if any have been built, but it have been available since 2015.

    https://www.saab.com/products/ground-la ... bomb-glsdb

    With this system you can reach the airport from Mykoliav.

    bt

    I go with Tommy's suggestion of the Ukrainian made Grom. It has a 300 mile range and an 1,100 pound warhead. It fits the bill perfectly. Ukraine was intending to have them in production by 2021, so they must have a completed design and completed flight testing already. The country of Ukraine is an established aerospace manufacturer.


    It also fits the bill of non-Western weapons used into “Russian” territory.
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/01/us-says-ukraine-will-not-use-us-supplied-rocket-systems-to-hit-russian-territory
     
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:16 am

    New recruits for the Russian army (and yes, this is real/confirmed and no fake). Ukraine is pretty sure doomed, as we can see. After 10 days of training, these guys will start to overrun the Ukrainian units and will reach Kiev in 2.5 days on their own foots...and will have looted 5 washing machines and two dish washers in between.
    https://i.redd.it/10i5xu3r2hh91.jpg

    And as we can see, of course with Putin in the front line on position one as great leader.
    https://twitter.com/ArchiveArmory/status/1558711230051028992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558711230051028992%7Ctwgr%5E0a728c17052221c373103dfca498f047569d329c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fwo06iu%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
    (How Russians see their army, Russian propaganda in the net).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And now something totally different...and something serious :duck: :

    There are 4 bridges over the Dnjepr in the south, two bridges near Kherson (the Antonivsky bridges (one street and in few km distance, railway)) and the railway and street bridge over the dam in the north, which crosses first as two bridges the watergate for the ships. Of course, not the dam (which would be a warcrime) has been bombed, only the small bridges over the watergate.
    All bridges have been taken out for any heavy logistic transport or for tanks prior. The Russins are regular trying to repair the Antonivsky street bridge, the watergate bridge is small, if needed, it can be crossed by a bridge of a bridge laying tank.
    Both Antonivsky bridges have had fun tonight, the air defence trying to protect them can be seen, as also the HIMARS/MARS II hits. And the equipment to repair the street bridge can be seen (till the lights go out after a hit). I think I have recognized one dud impact on the street bridge, so the air defence was not able to defend the bridge but was also not useless?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wo0fek/video_of_missile_strike_at_antonivsky_bridge/
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:21 am

    johns624 wrote:
    scbriml wrote:
    johns624 wrote:
    ...and helped to liberate the Netherlands.


    Oh dear, that's an inconvenient truth.
    That's the best kind! :D


    Not inconvenient at all, but I observe some double standards over here. We are condemning the Russian attacks on cities like Mariupol and others for obvious reasons, just as has been done with targeting cities by the Luftwaffe” as mentioned in the quote made by “Bomber” Harris and posted upthread. But we approve the same when it’s done by the good guys.

    The only inconvenient truth is that more Dutchmen were killed by friendly bombings than by the Luftwaffe at Rotterdam. This as a result of “collateral damage” and/or Dutch cities mistakenly seen as German cities when the primary target in Germany couldn’t be bombed.
     
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    Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:41 am

    And something totally different: Thank you "Booking.com" Thank you. :lol: https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1556883242862649345
    This link was searched and missing in prior posts as not any more found.
     
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    Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

    Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:15 pm

    marcelh wrote:
    johns624 wrote:
    scbriml wrote:

    Oh dear, that's an inconvenient truth.
    That's the best kind! :D


    Not inconvenient at all, but I observe some double standards over here. We are condemning the Russian attacks on cities like Mariupol and others for obvious reasons, just as has been done with targeting cities by the Luftwaffe” as mentioned in the quote made by “Bomber” Harris and posted upthread. But we approve the same when it’s done by the good guys.

    The only inconvenient truth is that more Dutchmen were killed by friendly bombings than by the Luftwaffe at Rotterdam. This as a result of “collateral damage” and/or Dutch cities mistakenly seen as German cities when the primary target in Germany couldn’t be bombed.
    Here's the nuance that you don't seem to get. Germany and now Russia are the aggressors who started the war. Great Britain didn't just bomb cities on a whim. They were attacked.

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