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US President's State of The Union Speech 2022

Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:13 pm

Tonight, Tuesday, March 1st, US President Biden will be giving the annual 'State of the Union' [SOTU] speech to a live assembly of Congress (both the House and Senate), and to a world wide audience. For sure the most important part of it will be as to the USA's policies as to the invasion of Russia into Ukraine.

The speeches are an interpretation of a requirement of the US Constitution, "The address fulfills the requirement in Article II, Section 3, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution for the president to periodically 'give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Union

Since the 1930's it has been a public address carried live by broadcast radio, since the 1950's on TV. Usually shortly after the speech, a representative of the party not of the President's and without an audience gives their interpretation of the 'State of the Union'. Generally the President will speak of what their Administration and the party they are with wants in legislation by Congress in this year and to make open public statements of foreign policy.
 
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Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:46 pm

I think you will see two of the most different speeches in history tonight. You will see Biden working towards ending the pandemic, and looking forward to building the economy and American presence in world affairs in light of Russia's recent attacks against democracy. You will see a call for working together, and to put aside cultural attacks on other people.

I think the rebuttal will be complaints about masks and vaccines that save lives, and rants about why inflation is hitting as the economy starts hitting the gas after a few years of low growth. There will probably be a lot of racist attacks on CRT, and homophobic attacks on LGBTQ, along with further calls to limit the choices of women in bad situations.
 
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Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:17 pm

casinterest wrote:
I think you will see two of the most different speeches in history tonight. You will see Biden working towards ending the pandemic, and looking forward to building the economy and American presence in world affairs in light of Russia's recent attacks against democracy. You will see a call for working together, and to put aside cultural attacks on other people.

I think the rebuttal will be complaints about masks and vaccines that save lives, and rants about why inflation is hitting as the economy starts hitting the gas after a few years of low growth. There will probably be a lot of racist attacks on CRT, and homophobic attacks on LGBTQ, along with further calls to limit the choices of women in bad situations.

A delightfully balanced viewpoint.

Less than 2 in 5 approve of Biden, so that obviously includes not just those evil mustache twirling Republicans. His policies has been divisive and weak, and the polls show it. 33% approve of his job so far on Ukraine. What has united the world is Putin, not Biden. If he wants to unite this country, he can start by not calling anyone who disagrees with his policies racists, homophobes, traitors, etc. And he needs to move back to being the moderate that he campaigned that he was. He won't, because he can't. He could have increased domestic energy production easily, but he's totally in the thrall of the extreme left. How to get Putin out of Ukraine? Lean towards the camera and whisper "Pass Build Back Better! It costs nothing!".
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:32 am

I'm genuinely curious at this point as to what people on the right think Biden has actually done for progressives. He promised lots in the election but I cant think of anything he's actually delivered for progressives. He did spend a hell of a lot of time trying to appease corporate extremists like Manchin and Sinema though....
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:33 am

Biden has a weak hand and that makes him a weak president. Especially since he's not there to rip up treaties etc. like Trump was, and Trump started with clear majorities in both chambers.

That doesn't mean Biden couldn't be better, but that means there is no way for him or anyone in his position to be great.

The fact that the Democratic party is divided and doesn't mind showing it doesn't help either.

I must say I don't really understand the judiciary in the US, I would have thought that a major priority would have been to deal with Trump and all the corruption behind him, so that at least he can't make a comeback, but this isn't really happening. In a way it's similar to my country for other reasons, here the justice system is just slow, and Sarkozy had the opportunity to be a candidate 5 years after losing his reelection bid without having been to trial yet. Fortunately even his own camp didn't want to have him back.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:41 am

Bricktop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
I think you will see two of the most different speeches in history tonight. You will see Biden working towards ending the pandemic, and looking forward to building the economy and American presence in world affairs in light of Russia's recent attacks against democracy. You will see a call for working together, and to put aside cultural attacks on other people.

I think the rebuttal will be complaints about masks and vaccines that save lives, and rants about why inflation is hitting as the economy starts hitting the gas after a few years of low growth. There will probably be a lot of racist attacks on CRT, and homophobic attacks on LGBTQ, along with further calls to limit the choices of women in bad situations.

A delightfully balanced viewpoint.

Less than 2 in 5 approve of Biden, so that obviously includes not just those evil mustache twirling Republicans. His policies has been divisive and weak, and the polls show it. 33% approve of his job so far on Ukraine. What has united the world is Putin, not Biden. If he wants to unite this country, he can start by not calling anyone who disagrees with his policies racists, homophobes, traitors, etc. And he needs to move back to being the moderate that he campaigned that he was. He won't, because he can't. He could have increased domestic energy production easily, but he's totally in the thrall of the extreme left. How to get Putin out of Ukraine? Lean towards the camera and whisper "Pass Build Back Better! It costs nothing!".


This viewpoint is not balanced either - it reads like an unfurled persecution complex. And it’s a bit mind-boggling to confuse the measured viewpoints of a 79 year-old man with the activist college kids who comprise most of the online ‘woke mob’. The country, and it’s current leader, are more nuanced than you might think.

It also wouldn’t be ‘easy’ for any administration to increase energy production because companies allowed/suffered too many job losses in 2020-21. No WH has control over that. Close to 25% of the fossil fuel workforce evaporated in 2020. The renewables workforce was also heavily impacted by summer of 2021. Unless you have some innovation companies don’t know about to radically rehire labor that is long-gone...

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022 ... ob-losses/

https://www.ase.org/blog/report-stalled ... rgy-sector

As for Europe, at the end of the day, it’s the calm discussion and lack of bellicose rhetoric and pressure that has helped drive unity. Several foreign ministers have already thanked the US for being a good listener this time around.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:47 am

Would he end the mask mandate on transportation tonight ?
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:01 am

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Would he end the mask mandate on transportation tonight ?

The current transportation mask mandate may have a few weeks left or to the end of the month. Most likely it will not be extended any further as of limited benefit, too many conflicts on flights and political pressure.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:04 am

ltbewr wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Would he end the mask mandate on transportation tonight ?

The current transportation mask mandate may have a few weeks left or to the end of the month. Most likely it will not be extended any further as of limited benefit, too many conflicts on flights and political pressure.

That’s what I was thinking they have nothing that could support keeping it even though some FAs apparently still want it but someone has to give the official go ahead it’s ending for sure.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:09 am

Wneast wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Wneast wrote:
Would he end the mask mandate on transportation tonight ?

The current transportation mask mandate may have a few weeks left or to the end of the month. Most likely it will not be extended any further as of limited benefit, too many conflicts on flights and political pressure.

That’s what I was thinking they have nothing that could support keeping it even though some FAs apparently still want it but someone has to give the official go ahead it’s ending for sure.


The hospitalization trend rates definitely support relaxing the transport mandate.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:03 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Wneast wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
The current transportation mask mandate may have a few weeks left or to the end of the month. Most likely it will not be extended any further as of limited benefit, too many conflicts on flights and political pressure.

That’s what I was thinking they have nothing that could support keeping it even though some FAs apparently still want it but someone has to give the official go ahead it’s ending for sure.


The hospitalization trend rates definitely support relaxing the transport mandate.



March 18 is the current expiration date. It will remain to see what the Department of Transportation does leading into that date. As it is 2.5 weeks away, I think they will watch the trends, and either renew it, or let it expire if the trends continue.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:16 am

US airspace now closed to Russia.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:17 am

I would be a bit wary that Putin may want to upstage this event with something big in Ukraine. Hopefully not.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:22 am

Did biden just say Iranian people rather than Ukrainian?
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:37 am

Rare for a POTUS to tell the truth: high drug/healthcare costs are one of the primary cost drivers for businesses of all sizes. Doesn’t get much press, but a huge influence on low wage growth and offshoring.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:15 am

zkojq wrote:
I'm genuinely curious at this point as to what people on the right think Biden has actually done for progressives. He promised lots in the election but I cant think of anything he's actually delivered for progressives. He did spend a hell of a lot of time trying to appease corporate extremists like Manchin and Sinema though....


Good luck getting any substantive answers. Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:21 am

I am not watching, but I don't need to. Here's what's gonna happen:
1. Biden will propose sensible things that most Americans would support, but Republicans (and Manchin and Sinema) continue to oppose for reasons unknown.
2. Republicans will issue their rebuttal, saying how Biden is a radical socialist bent on destroying the American way of life (among others), criticizing him for inaction with Russia (even though an escalation would likely be worse), and how gas prices and inflation are eroding consumer confidence (even though they themselves have not offered a plan forward other than the Keystone XL Pipeline which even if approved won't move oil prices anywhere in the short term).
3. Progressives in their rebuttal (a la Tea Party in 2011) will fault Biden for not going further with progressive policies (despite knowing that he's a moderate in that regards, and that he can be as progressive as he wants and a 50-50 Senate will block any progress).

I know something that WON'T happen: Biden and Democrats calling for Republicans to be charged with treason for not clapping.

If I were POTUS, I'd end the tradition of a televised address. I'd tell the Speaker and the VP to distribute a copy of the speech to each member of Congress and leave it at that. Enough with the theatrics that resemble North Korea (the party in power stands and claps while opponents only clap on a few instances). And enough with attempting to appease the opposing party. Even if Biden were to come out tomorrow to institute Christianity as the state religion and White as the superior race, Republicans would still oppose him no matter what.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:30 am

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Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.

BIG difference between both:

When Obama took office, Dems had over 257 seats in the House and 59 Senate seats (60 when Al Franken was finally seated in June 2009 and until Ted Kennedy died later in the year). In other words, he had sizable majorities with which to work with (though a good portion of the seats were from states that were finishing their realignment like MS, AL, and WV).

Biden took office with Dems in control of 222 seats in the House and needing Harris to break a tie assuming all 50 Dems stick together (and Manchin and Sinema have proven that they don't always stick together).

I was never a fan of Biden, but you're comparing two people who said they can hit home runs and while one was given a big bat and the ball was on a tee stand, the other was given a matchstick and must bat against a fastball. If Obama didn't use his majority wisely, that's fair game; Biden, however, was given an evenly split Senate and in the face of unanimous GOP opposition, any defection from Dems dooms progress.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:46 am

That was a good speech.
If you are a moderate/conservative you should have felt good.
If they would implement those things nobody should be bitching. They succeeded in making it sound as a unifying speech.
I mean he used at least 3 subjects on which Trump ran and agreed they need to be fixed.

I like it. It did address concerns of most Americans.
"Go get him" at the end was definitely a nice touch in light of what is happening in Ukraine.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:56 am

Rough Transcript with Edits of his Speech.

Education did not make much of a cut in this one. The other points were there. Jobs, Health,Veterans, Ukraine, Technology, Economy, Covid response. Inflation

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2 ... -3-1-2022/
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:00 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
emperortk wrote:
Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.

BIG difference between both:

When Obama took office, Dems had over 257 seats in the House and 59 Senate seats (60 when Al Franken was finally seated in June 2009 and until Ted Kennedy died later in the year). In other words, he had sizable majorities with which to work with (though a good portion of the seats were from states that were finishing their realignment like MS, AL, and WV).

Biden took office with Dems in control of 222 seats in the House and needing Harris to break a tie assuming all 50 Dems stick together (and Manchin and Sinema have proven that they don't always stick together).

I was never a fan of Biden, but you're comparing two people who said they can hit home runs and while one was given a big bat and the ball was on a tee stand, the other was given a matchstick and must bat against a fastball. If Obama didn't use his majority wisely, that's fair game; Biden, however, was given an evenly split Senate and in the face of unanimous GOP opposition, any defection from Dems dooms progress.


Fair point. However, Biden applied absolutely zero pressure on Manchin and Sinema. He caved to their demands last fall without so much as a whimper, and they still balked. Again with voting rights... no pressure applied whatsoever on Manchin. Makes me question his dedication to his supposed policy agenda regardless of the fact that he Obama were dealt different hands.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:06 am

And here is the Rebuttal from the GOP.

I don't think I was wrong in my original writeup, but please read through and see if I missed anything other than the Usual Right wing Tropes. Nothing unifying at all. Just .. Listen to us, we are right. Kind of sounds like Putin.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/news/pol ... 334223002/
 
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And here is the Rebuttal from the GOP.

I don't think I was wrong in my original writeup, but please read through and see if I missed anything other than the Usual Right wing Tropes. Nothing unifying at all. Just .. Listen to us, we are right. Kind of sounds like Putin.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/news/pol ... 334223002/


Here is a synopsis of the "real time" rebuttal:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi ... s-n1290558

:ill:
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:31 am

SEAorPWM wrote:
casinterest wrote:
And here is the Rebuttal from the GOP.

I don't think I was wrong in my original writeup, but please read through and see if I missed anything other than the Usual Right wing Tropes. Nothing unifying at all. Just .. Listen to us, we are right. Kind of sounds like Putin.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/news/pol ... 334223002/


Here is a synopsis of the "real time" rebuttal:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi ... s-n1290558

:ill:


Greene and Boebert really are beneath contempt. They make you average Karen look like a reasonable person.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:14 pm

scbriml wrote:
SEAorPWM wrote:
casinterest wrote:
And here is the Rebuttal from the GOP.

I don't think I was wrong in my original writeup, but please read through and see if I missed anything other than the Usual Right wing Tropes. Nothing unifying at all. Just .. Listen to us, we are right. Kind of sounds like Putin.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/news/pol ... 334223002/


Here is a synopsis of the "real time" rebuttal:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi ... s-n1290558

:ill:


Greene and Boebert really are beneath contempt. They make you average Karen look like a reasonable person.


They're the type of nutjobs who think 'the manager' needs talking to everywhere they go.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:20 pm

This STOU will be most remembered for a few things:
The issue of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia/Putin and our response to it that has strong bipartisan support so far. Almost all in attendence wore pins or ribbons in the national colors of Ukraine.
Due in part from his stuttering problem saying Iranian instead of Ukranian.
Rep. Bobbert's shout outs that made her look like more of jerk than she already is although it brought up the horrors of the USA military's withdrawal from Afghanistan.
That public health methods to control the Covid-19 pandemic are done with on the national level
That we are still a very divided country on many issues, unlikely to pass good legislation to assure a National right to vote, do more with the huge backlog of infrastructure needs, to protect GLTBQ+'s persons and deal with our historic racism.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:34 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
SEAorPWM wrote:

Here is a synopsis of the "real time" rebuttal:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi ... s-n1290558

:ill:


Greene and Boebert really are beneath contempt. They make you average Karen look like a reasonable person.


They're the type of nutjobs who think 'the manager' needs talking to everywhere they go.

They are the type of nutjobs that would start a bar fight and then blame the manager for not having padded chairs after they got smacked.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:51 pm

casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Greene and Boebert really are beneath contempt. They make you average Karen look like a reasonable person.


They're the type of nutjobs who think 'the manager' needs talking to everywhere they go.

They are the type of nutjobs that would start a bar fight and then blame the manager for not having padded chairs after they got smacked.

Two unscrupulous white trash prima donna's with a history of questionable moral standards doing whatever they think they need to do to get a headline. Boring. Teen mom adultress Boebert and adultress Greeneare are the type of people that the evangelist church of my youth would have condemned, had they not had an R next to their names.
 
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luckyone wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

They're the type of nutjobs who think 'the manager' needs talking to everywhere they go.

They are the type of nutjobs that would start a bar fight and then blame the manager for not having padded chairs after they got smacked.

Two unscrupulous white trash prima donna's with a history of questionable moral standards doing whatever they think they need to do to get a headline. Boring. Teen mom adultress Boebert and adultress Greeneare are the type of people that the evangelist church of my youth would have condemned, had they not had an R next to their names.


The Church doesn't matter anymore. Too many people get a few hail mary's or they beg to be forgiven for their sins. No real remorse or humanity.

It is people like Boebert and Greene for why the Churches keep declining in membership.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 5:45 pm

scbriml wrote:
SEAorPWM wrote:
casinterest wrote:
And here is the Rebuttal from the GOP.

I don't think I was wrong in my original writeup, but please read through and see if I missed anything other than the Usual Right wing Tropes. Nothing unifying at all. Just .. Listen to us, we are right. Kind of sounds like Putin.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/news/pol ... 334223002/


Here is a synopsis of the "real time" rebuttal:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-bi ... s-n1290558

:ill:


Greene and Boebert really are beneath contempt. They make you average Karen look like a reasonable person.


I mean, I can't really blame them for being angry and agitated - with every passing minute the value of their donor and fundraising currency is becoming more and more worthless. They will need to replace those ruble's dollars somehow :duck: :rotfl:

Sidebar:
Ms. Green, Ms. Boebert - if you are reading this: The Ruble is the currency of Russia. Russia is a country. A country is a big big piece of land with leaders and stuff. Currency is money.. that thing you exchange for the pretty things you like.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:02 pm

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I'm genuinely curious at this point as to what people on the right think Biden has actually done for progressives. He promised lots in the election but I cant think of anything he's actually delivered for progressives. He did spend a hell of a lot of time trying to appease corporate extremists like Manchin and Sinema though....


Good luck getting any substantive answers. Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.


There a reason for that, it’s called getting clobbered in the mid terms. Their rhetoric is scary and though CNN and MSNBC eat it up the voters in the part of the electorate that decides elections don’t like it.

Biden’s speech was lame. No path to get anything done oh well doesn’t matter he won’t be around after this term.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:16 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
emperortk wrote:
zkojq wrote:
I'm genuinely curious at this point as to what people on the right think Biden has actually done for progressives. He promised lots in the election but I cant think of anything he's actually delivered for progressives. He did spend a hell of a lot of time trying to appease corporate extremists like Manchin and Sinema though....


Good luck getting any substantive answers. Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.


There a reason for that, it’s called getting clobbered in the mid terms. Their rhetoric is scary and though CNN and MSNBC eat it up the voters in the part of the electorate that decides elections don’t like it.

Biden’s speech was lame. No path to get anything done oh well doesn’t matter he won’t be around after this term.


The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.
 
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Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:53 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
emperortk wrote:
zkojq wrote:
I'm genuinely curious at this point as to what people on the right think Biden has actually done for progressives. He promised lots in the election but I cant think of anything he's actually delivered for progressives. He did spend a hell of a lot of time trying to appease corporate extremists like Manchin and Sinema though....


Good luck getting any substantive answers. Biden is a typical pro-corporate centrist Democrat like Obama, and like Obama he pays lip service to progressive ideals and ideas at times, but that's about it.


There a reason for that, it’s called getting clobbered in the mid terms. Their rhetoric is scary and though CNN and MSNBC eat it up the voters in the part of the electorate that decides elections don’t like it.

Biden’s speech was lame. No path to get anything done oh well doesn’t matter he won’t be around after this term.


The primary role of POTUS is domestic cheerleader and global PR for the country. Compared to any of the ridiculous SOTUs full of easily-spotted fakery we saw the previous four years, it was a rousing success.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:09 am

Biden was very good on Ukraine, but then domestically he trotted out all the pieces of Build Back Better plans that have gone nowhere. A few mouthed platitudes about bipartisanship where he has no credibility, but that's about it. They say that they work on SOTU for months, but apart from the intro they had to bolt on because of Ukraine, it seemed like a lazy cut and paste job. Maybe they know they have to keep him on familiar ground before he spins off about minor incursions again.

For those who think it's just Manchin and Sinema among the D's who are against BBB, that's just delusional. And yes there are idiot Republicans, but let's not pretend that the Cori Bushs don't exist. And Maxine Waters? Oh wait, Bricktop must be a misogynist white supremacist. That's the go-to move, right? Well white men idiot Dems include the dim bulb Swallwell and that complete clown Ciccilene. Living proof that the best thing to come out of RI is the southbound lane of I-95.

Best chuckles were the part where Biden said he was against defunding the police and watching the VP's reaction. Also the clip of Schmuck Schumer getting up and clapping and doing an "Oh, wait." and sitting down. A future meme for sure. Please primary him AOC!
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:11 am

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The primary role of POTUS is domestic cheerleader and global PR for the country. Compared to any of the ridiculous SOTUs full of easily-spotted fakery we saw the previous four years, it was a rousing success.

Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:17 am

casinterest wrote:
The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.

IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:30 am

Bricktop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.

IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.


Oh wait, are you saying the GOP didn’t take responsibility for the huge crime waves of the early 80s and 90s? I mean if we’re playing the sarcasm long game, at least be consistent.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:32 am

Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
The primary role of POTUS is domestic cheerleader and global PR for the country. Compared to any of the ridiculous SOTUs full of easily-spotted fakery we saw the previous four years, it was a rousing success.

Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?


It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:35 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.

IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.


Oh wait, are you saying the GOP didn’t take responsibility for the huge crime waves of the early 80s and 90s? I mean if we’re playing the sarcasm long game, at least be consistent.

So you have to go back 40 odd years to come up with your rebuttal line?
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:41 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
The primary role of POTUS is domestic cheerleader and global PR for the country. Compared to any of the ridiculous SOTUs full of easily-spotted fakery we saw the previous four years, it was a rousing success.

Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?


It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.

Speaking of fake patriotism, how about the Dems cheering USA! USA! last night? Totally cringeworthy you have to agree. I mean that's for all those low IQ rubes to chant. Happily Biden blithely stepped all over them and went back to the teleprompter before his next para scrolled off. I should have included that in my highlights.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:53 am

Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.


Oh wait, are you saying the GOP didn’t take responsibility for the huge crime waves of the early 80s and 90s? I mean if we’re playing the sarcasm long game, at least be consistent.

So you have to go back 40 odd years to come up with your rebuttal line?


Flippancy is the only response to such broad strokes and lack of nuance.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:54 am

Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?


It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.

Speaking of fake patriotism, how about the Dems cheering USA! USA! last night? Totally cringeworthy you have to agree. I mean that's for all those low IQ rubes to chant. Happily Biden blithely stepped all over them and went back to the teleprompter before his next para scrolled off. I should have included that in my highlights.


Hard to take any comments about patriotism seriously from a position of such obvious spite. Some of us want the whole country to do well - pretty much the ethos of the center.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:59 am

Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?


It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.

Speaking of fake patriotism, how about the Dems cheering USA! USA! last night? Totally cringeworthy you have to agree. I mean that's for all those low IQ rubes to chant. Happily Biden blithely stepped all over them and went back to the teleprompter before his next para scrolled off. I should have included that in my highlights.


I mean, by patriotism do you mean driving around in old trucks with shit like eagles and trump flags like a bunch of weirdos?

To refer to democrats, and especially those last night as low IQ is rich. It’s a fact that democrats are typically better educated and thus, more intelligent.

“Republicans hold wide advantages in party identification among several groups of voters, including white men without a college degree, people living in rural communities in the South and those who frequently attend religious services.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... ing-lines/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... e.amp.html
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:04 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.

Speaking of fake patriotism, how about the Dems cheering USA! USA! last night? Totally cringeworthy you have to agree. I mean that's for all those low IQ rubes to chant. Happily Biden blithely stepped all over them and went back to the teleprompter before his next para scrolled off. I should have included that in my highlights.


Hard to take any comments about patriotism seriously from a position of such obvious spite. Some of us want the whole country to do well - pretty much the ethos of the center.


That’s the thing. If you look at many heavily republican strongholds, they’re absolutely southern squalor. Obviously the combination of their lack of education and consistently depressed lifestyles gives them not hope for themselves but rather, ill upon those who are doing better than they are
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:14 am

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For those who think it's just Manchin and Sinema among the D's who are against BBB, that's just delusional. And yes there are idiot Republicans, but let's not pretend that the Cori Bushs don't exist. And Maxine Waters? Oh wait, Bricktop must be a misogynist white supremacist. That's the go-to move, right?


Bricktop wrote:
Yeah that speech tearing by that shrew Pelosi was pathetic wasn't it?


This is just too good to pass up -

You could have just said 'Pelosi' or 'that phoney Pelosi' but since you aren't a misogynist you decided to add the word 'shrew' ... which isn't a misogynistic way to refer to a women at all :roll: :rotfl:
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:52 am

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I think you will see two of the most different speeches in history tonight. You will see Biden working towards ending the pandemic, and looking forward to building the economy and American presence in world affairs in light of Russia's recent attacks against democracy. You will see a call for working together, and to put aside cultural attacks on other people.

I think the rebuttal will be complaints about masks and vaccines that save lives, and rants about why inflation is hitting as the economy starts hitting the gas after a few years of low growth. There will probably be a lot of racist attacks on CRT, and homophobic attacks on LGBTQ, along with further calls to limit the choices of women in bad situations.



I’ve actually been surprised by the lack of LGBQ attacks. They’ve largely moved onto the T in LGBTQ. Terrifying people with tales of crossdressing rapists hiding out in women’s bathrooms and doing anything possible to rob the trans community of dignity. Predators would have already thought to dress as women if this was even a thing and trans women are passive, non-violent and mostly prefer males. Most go to the bathroom and fearfully leave ASAP.

What these people don’t realize is that they’ve probably unknowingly spoken to transgender people while out and about. Did anything happen? Were they cursed? No. They’re just people who want to live their lives without the hostility and hatred. It would be nice if they could find gainful employment and not have to work the streets too. It sickens me that they’d rather see trans women dead in a ditch than give them protective rights and a job.

Notice how it’s always trans women that get all the shit. No one talks about trans men using the men’s bathroom. A large chunk of society still finds femininity in men unacceptable and that’s why trans women are the target of so much hatred. I have trans friends and they are the bravest, most stable and sane people I know. It sickens me that fate is so unkind to many of these innocent and good people. They do not deserve this and I hope things change sooner than later.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:59 am

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I am not watching, but I don't need to. Here's what's gonna happen:
1. Biden will propose sensible things that most Americans would support, but Republicans (and Manchin and Sinema) continue to oppose for reasons unknown.
2. Republicans will issue their rebuttal, saying how Biden is a radical socialist bent on destroying the American way of life (among others), criticizing him for inaction with Russia (even though an escalation would likely be worse), and how gas prices and inflation are eroding consumer confidence (even though they themselves have not offered a plan forward other than the Keystone XL Pipeline which even if approved won't move oil prices anywhere in the short term).
3. Progressives in their rebuttal (a la Tea Party in 2011) will fault Biden for not going further with progressive policies (despite knowing that he's a moderate in that regards, and that he can be as progressive as he wants and a 50-50 Senate will block any progress).

I know something that WON'T happen: Biden and Democrats calling for Republicans to be charged with treason for not clapping.

If I were POTUS, I'd end the tradition of a televised address. I'd tell the Speaker and the VP to distribute a copy of the speech to each member of Congress and leave it at that. Enough with the theatrics that resemble North Korea (the party in power stands and claps while opponents only clap on a few instances). And enough with attempting to appease the opposing party. Even if Biden were to come out tomorrow to institute Christianity as the state religion and White as the superior race, Republicans would still oppose him no matter what.




“If I were POTUS, I'd end the tradition of a televised address. I'd tell the Speaker and the VP to distribute a copy of the speech to each member of Congress and leave it at that. Enough with the theatrics that resemble North Korea (the party in power stands and claps while opponents only clap on a few instances). And enough with attempting to appease the opposing party. Even if Biden were to come out tomorrow to institute Christianity as the state religion and White as the superior race, Republicans would still oppose him no matter what.”

HERE HERE!!!! I could do without all of it. I think some major changes need to be implemented. Something has to change because what worked in the past is not working in the present.
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:59 am

Bricktop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.

IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.

Wow, Putin based misinformation goes deep into the GOP. Border is closed? We shouldn't close the border. Why do you care about legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are people that mostly overstay their legal visits. Do you support jailing the people that employ illegal imigrants?

While we are on that, guess what happens when the supply of immigrants gets lower? Jobs Demand drops, and employers have to pay more. That causes....Inflation.

On Inflation, guess what, it happens due to years of pent up demands, and a sudden burst of value to middle class homeowners who now have positive case flow in their homes after years of suffering due to the 2007-2010 crisis. We will have to deal with it.

On Crime, Guess which states had the highest and lowest growth rates in violent crime. If you guessed that red states led the way, congratulations .

https://247wallst.com/special-report/20 ... soaring/8/

But yes the GOP continues with it's racist dog whistles, it's misogamy, and it's general fraudulent behavior.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:09 am

casinterest wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
casinterest wrote:
The GOP is going to have a hard road going forward. They keep hanging in on lies, and i think the lower income folks are starting to figure it out.

IKR? I mean there's no inflation, crime, or illegal immigration right? The border is CLOSED! The Afghan pullout was a great success. We planned for every contingency! How can the Republicans be allowed to tout that nonsense. Nah it's just white supremacist dog whistles. We need to get the FBI to investigate such blatant disinformation.

Whistling past the graveyard, louder by the minute as POTUS sinks in the polls.

Wow, Putin based misinformation goes deep into the GOP. Border is closed? We shouldn't close the border. Why do you care about legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are people that mostly overstay their legal visits. Do you support jailing the people that employ illegal imigrants?

While we are on that, guess what happens when the supply of immigrants gets lower? Jobs Demand drops, and employers have to pay more. That causes....Inflation.

On Inflation, guess what, it happens due to years of pent up demands, and a sudden burst of value to middle class homeowners who now have positive case flow in their homes after years of suffering due to the 2007-2010 crisis. We will have to deal with it.

On Crime, Guess which states had the highest and lowest growth rates in violent crime. If you guessed that red states led the way, congratulations .

https://247wallst.com/special-report/20 ... soaring/8/

But yes the GOP continues with it's racist dog whistles, it's misogamy, and it's general fraudulent behavior.




According to the right, liberal cities are crime ridden cesspools and war zones. They’ll never mention that several of the most violent cities are well within red states or even red themselves. Why can’t they just think critically for one moment? Cities will always have more crime than rural areas and this is true around the world and has been for the entirety of recorded human history. They’ll also never mention that NYC is one of the safest major cities in the country and world for that matter. Even cities like Chicago and Detroit are safer today than in the 90’s when we saw violent crime peak. I’ve never seen people so utterly incapable of critical thinking and their failure to grasp even basic facts is scarier than any horror film. Why? Because these people vote. They’ve created their own reality because the real world no longer aligns with their increasingly insane views.

I know some great classic conservatives but they’re rapidly headed towards extinction.
 
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Re: US President's State of The Union Speech 2022

Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:17 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

It was pretty pathetic, but not nearly as much as the fake patriotism from an administration led by a business man so successful he could only get foreign loans since the 1990s, many underwritten by the likes of Russian and Azerbaijani state banks.

Speaking of fake patriotism, how about the Dems cheering USA! USA! last night? Totally cringeworthy you have to agree. I mean that's for all those low IQ rubes to chant. Happily Biden blithely stepped all over them and went back to the teleprompter before his next para scrolled off. I should have included that in my highlights.


Hard to take any comments about patriotism seriously from a position of such obvious spite. Some of us want the whole country to do well - pretty much the ethos of the center.


Indeed. Any time I wonder how the "evil empire of Putin" developed so much hate I just need to look to the US to see pretty much the same thing.

Hating "the other side" just because they are the other side regardless of any common goals or genuine attempts to do the right thing.

I'd like to say it's pathetic (which it is), but its probably more tragic..

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