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Kno wrote:Huh?Great news. Nobody wants a shorter day.
Kno wrote:Great news. Nobody wants a shorter day.
seb146 wrote:Everyone hates switching times. Finally something every American can agree on!
LCDFlight wrote:I love this.
As a nerdy reminder to a.net, last Saturday, the redeyes from West coast all took off on time, but their arrivals were most likely about 1 hour late. Airlines generally do not craft a custom schedule for this. They just tolerate jt
seb146 wrote:Everyone hates switching times. Finally something every American can agree on!
casinterest wrote:What I find interesting is that the poll in the article indicates more people prefer standard time to daylight savings time.
I don't really care too much, but i would rather drive home in the dark than put the kids on the bus in the dark in the mornings,
During winter here in NC the Sun wouldn't even rise till 8:00 in the morning if we kept DST in December.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@7170113?month=12
South Florida would see more benefit, but people in Boston/Seattle areas wouldn't see the Sun till around 9 or so in the morning.
flyingclrs727 wrote:Which reminds me about the last time the federal government implemented year round DST back during the "Energy Crisis" of the 70's. Parents with small children complained about their children going to school in the dark. Congress repealed it.
flyingclrs727 wrote:casinterest wrote:What I find interesting is that the poll in the article indicates more people prefer standard time to daylight savings time.
I don't really care too much, but i would rather drive home in the dark than put the kids on the bus in the dark in the mornings,
During winter here in NC the Sun wouldn't even rise till 8:00 in the morning if we kept DST in December.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@7170113?month=12
South Florida would see more benefit, but people in Boston/Seattle areas wouldn't see the Sun till around 9 or so in the morning.
Which reminds me about the last time the federal government implemented year round DST back during the "Energy Crisis" of the 70's. Parents with small children complained about their children going to school in the dark. Congress repealed it.
slider wrote:I'm generally agnostic on the whole DST issue except that I would want ALL U.S. states to either do it or don't do it, but having AZ and IN and a few other select counties close to some other state lines not participating drives me crazy.
c933103 wrote:I haven't read the bill yet, but past similar proposal would allow states to either choose staying permanent DST or no DST at all?
ACDC8 wrote:Its never phased me but I say get rid of it - tired of all the whining about such a non-issue every flippin' year. Funny how people never throw such a hissy fit when the cross a time zone when they travel like from BC to AB.
TheSonntag wrote:Interesting. Hopefully, this will also lead the European discussion towards the DLST (CEST).
slider wrote:I'm generally agnostic on the whole DST issue except that I would want ALL U.S. states to either do it or don't do it, but having AZ and IN and a few other select counties close to some other state lines not participating drives me crazy.
readytotaxi wrote:Our ancestors coped without all this time shifting.
ER757 wrote:Not a fan of permanent DST. Living in a northerly latitude, It'll be dark until after 8:30 AM in the winter. Too many people seem to fail to realize that you don't get more daylight, it just shifts the dark hours from evening to morning. As a "morning person" this annoys me.
slider wrote:I'm generally agnostic on the whole DST issue except that I would want ALL U.S. states to either do it or don't do it, but having AZ and IN and a few other select counties close to some other state lines not participating drives me crazy.
ER757 wrote:If it annoys you, you're not really a morning person...Not a fan of permanent DST. Living in a northerly latitude, It'll be dark until after 8:30 AM in the winter. Too many people seem to fail to realize that you don't get more daylight, it just shifts the dark hours from evening to morning. As a "morning person" this annoys me.
Brick wrote:Some in my family are a prime example of this. Twice a year they go on social media to bitch and moan about changing the clocks, but they will jump on an airplane to go to another time zone for vacation and there's not a peep from any of them about how "difficult" it is to adjust...same for when they return home.
I had a job for 14 years that required extensive travel throughout North America. During some weeks I would overnight in 3 different cities in 3 different time zones. Yes, it wore me out and I would get all discombobulated near the end of the week, and especially once I was home for the weekend. I learned to just deal with it, which is why today changing the clocks twice a year doesn't inspire me to complain to others about it.
cpd wrote:I would like this in my country too, sadly it won’t happen.
lightsaber wrote:If the get rid of "spring forward," I am all for this.
casinterest wrote:South Florida would see more benefit, but people in Boston/Seattle areas wouldn't see the Sun till around 9 or so in the morning.
scbriml wrote:slider wrote:I'm generally agnostic on the whole DST issue except that I would want ALL U.S. states to either do it or don't do it, but having AZ and IN and a few other select counties close to some other state lines not participating drives me crazy.
I thought it was all about the rights of states?
ltbewr wrote:Our US Congress worries about and works on a bill to end the bi-annual time shifts while many other far more important issues are stalled or ignored from assuring voting rights to additional funding for dealing with Covid-19 and immigration issues.
The law won't go into affect until 2023 to allow for adjustments for airlines and other international issues.
einsteinboricua wrote:casinterest wrote:South Florida would see more benefit, but people in Boston/Seattle areas wouldn't see the Sun till around 9 or so in the morning.
People in the northern latitudes will likely be affected over the weekends and such. But during winter in Seattle, I would commute to work in darkness and would leave work in darkness. Having the sun rise an hour later in winter wouldn't really affect me since I'm working indoors and already get to work while it's pitch black. I'd much rather enjoy some sunlight (either by the sun or a civil twilight) than darkness.
There's always the concern with "kids going to school in the dark". Well, isn't this incentive for counties and school districts to invest in well lit bus stops? What about having schools still have a floating start time such that during late fall to early spring they start an hour later (to take advantage of the Sun)? From August to mid October, remain in DST; give the students a couple of days off and start school the following week an hour later. Continue like that until Spring Break in March; after that, lose the hour and return to a "standard" start time.
Brick wrote:slider wrote:I'm generally agnostic on the whole DST issue except that I would want ALL U.S. states to either do it or don't do it, but having AZ and IN and a few other select counties close to some other state lines not participating drives me crazy.
It drives me crazy when I fly from an airport in MDT to Phoenix in the summer and after landing the flight attendant says something like "You now in the Pacific Time Zone where the time is one hour earlier than where we left." Many flight attendants don't know/don't care that Arizona is MST and the rest of the states in the mountain time zone are MDT. Yes, do mention the one hour time change, but for crying out loud don't tell everyone they are in the Pacific time zone. Hopefully if permanent DST is established for all states, I no longer have to hear this.c933103 wrote:I haven't read the bill yet, but past similar proposal would allow states to either choose staying permanent DST or no DST at all?
Currently, the Uniform Time Act says states can opt out of DST, but not standard time. That's why Arizona, Hawaii, and other locations that stay on the same time all year have to do standard time. If all states are moved to permanent DST, I would imagine that the Uniform Time Act will need to be updated or replaced if for example, Arizona wants to stay on standard time.
casinterest wrote:What I find interesting is that the poll in the article indicates more people prefer standard time to daylight savings time.
I don't really care too much, but i would rather drive home in the dark than put the kids on the bus in the dark in the mornings,
During winter here in NC the Sun wouldn't even rise till 8:00 in the morning if we kept DST in December.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@7170113?month=12
South Florida would see more benefit, but people in Boston/Seattle areas wouldn't see the Sun till around 9 or so in the morning.