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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:50 pm

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The Oscars got what they wanted--ratings and buzz.


BINGO!
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:15 pm

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The Oscars got what they wanted--ratings and buzz.


Assault and Battery for sure.

Water seeks its own level, not sure that is how far submerged the Academy wants to go.

Okie
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:44 pm

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Conservatives: He wouldn't have been killed by the police if he'd done as he was told.
Conservatives: Police shouldn't be jailed for shooting a man with a gun instead of a taser.

Same conservatives when a man slaps another man for insulting his wife: * outrage *

:rotfl:

Liberals: Black on black crime. Yawn. I wish it was a white guy doing the slapping so I could go on Twitter and be outraged!

I can do cheap politics too. But this isn't political, so why make it so, unless that's the only lens you have.

Back on topic, it looked fake and staged. Chris Rock's reaction was just weird and frankly unnatural.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:01 pm

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Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.


I didn't watch the program, but can understand the standard reaction of conformity to applause when someone wins an Oscar, than start booing, or sitting there in silence. Probably most didn't fully understand what had just happened and thought it was staged, and/or might not have heard the expletives from Will Smith afterwards. It's not like the State of the Union speech where one side is already going in knowing to oppose and not be supportive.

As far as the world and what it sees, well, we already had the embarrassment of 1/6. This isn't that big in comparison.

With the exception of Whoopi Goldberg, most of the AM show hosts seem to have condemned Will Smith's violence. I kind of wonder if Oprah or Queen Latifah, or any of Will Smith's besties have commented.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:50 pm

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PixelPilot wrote:
I think he handled himself very professionally.
As for will smith he should be thrown out of that place yet he was allowed to stay. This was up for the organizers to act on and they failed miserably.
Everybody in that crowd always hashtag cries about violence and anything they can put their face on yet here it is what it is.
Bunch of losers.


Not hard to see where the privilege lies. What a disgusting night for television and society.


If this is your chosen outrage for this club, you’ve been asleep for years. Harvey getting away with his rapey casting couch went on for a decade and is 100x worse, it just wasn’t televised.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:01 am

https://news.sky.com/story/i-was-out-of-line-and-i-was-wrong-will-smith-apologises-to-chris-rock-for-oscars-slap-12577181

He has now apologised to Rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyXOPTNDiGc&ab_channel=VeeXXL

Never need an excuse to post this clip. From 2:47 is still one of the funniest bits of dialogue ever.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:17 am

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Also, I read that the Smith‘s are practicing the concept of an „open marriage“. So here he played the mighty raider, defending his wife but at the same time he has no problem to cheat her? I don’t know, something doesn’t add up…


For an open marriage to work, it needs to be equal on both sides. So far from what we have seen from the Smiths, it is very much one-sided, though I'm sure Will could get himself several women if he wanted to.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:30 am

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:08 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang


What’s with the laundry list of names? A bit pedantic, no?
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:56 am

Aaron747 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
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Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang


What’s with the laundry list of names? A bit pedantic, no?

I do not agree with your statement, at all. I do not think it added to the discussion. Your value judgements are not welcome or solicited.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:25 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang


What’s with the laundry list of names? A bit pedantic, no?

I do not agree with your statement, at all. I do not think it added to the discussion. Your value judgements are not welcome or solicited.


I'm not sure what we gain from 70 names, unless you care to explain? The real story in what you linked is that the Academy has decided to issue an opinion on what happened and formally review actions per their bylaws.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wil ... 46754.html
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:20 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
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There's zero chance he'll lose his Oscar. Some here will be very disappointed.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:30 am

scbriml wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

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Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
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Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang


There's zero chance he'll lose his Oscar. Some here will be very disappointed.

Yeah, highly unlikely he’ll lose his Oscar. Maybe some sort of nomination suspension period if they do anything.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:38 am

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Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Personally, I could care less what they have to say or not say about this or any other topic. The only time I'm interested in what they have to say is when they read the script in the movie their acting in. Anything else is nothing but a humble opinion from another person who's position in society holds no merit.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:38 am

Redd wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
ACDC8 wrote:
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I think or what this comedian said or what that comedian said - all that matters is one joke by one comedian and how it effected an individual and the reaction an individual took after seeing how that one joke by that one comedian effected the person they care very deeply about.


Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.



Because the modern left has no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.


Because ideologues on left and right have no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.

There, fixed it for you. There most certainly are values on left and right these days, but not real ones. It's all about using up the oxygen to 'win'.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:40 am

ACDC8 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Personally, I could care less what they have to say or not say about this or any other topic. The only time I'm interested in what they have to say is when they read the script in the movie their acting in. Anything else is nothing but a humble opinion from another person who's position in society holds no merit.


That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:47 am

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That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

If a comedian makes jokes or satirical comments on politics, thats different, thats their job. Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher are great examples of this, I find their material fantastic, but I take it exactly what it is, jokes and satirical comments and not actual political commentary.

Discussing views of life and success is another good example, several celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Denzel Washington have some incredible motivational material, but thats coming from their journey in life and not using their status as leverage.

I hope that made somewhat sense, its been a long day so hopefully I worded it correctly :D

I just find it funny how people get so worked up about stuff like this.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:55 am

ACDC8 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

If a comedian makes jokes or satirical comments on politics, thats different, thats their job. Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher are great examples of this, I find their material fantastic, but I take it exactly what it is, jokes and satirical comments and not actual political commentary.

Discussing views of life and success is another good example, several celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Denzel Washington have some incredible motivational material, but thats coming from their journey in life and not using their status as leverage.

I hope that made somewhat sense, its been a long day so hopefully I worded it correctly :D

I just find it funny how people get so worked up about stuff like this.


Makes perfect sense, no worries. To your final point, I couldn't agree more. People get super emotional about the silliest stuff.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:01 am

ACDC8 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

If a comedian makes jokes or satirical comments on politics, thats different, thats their job. Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher are great examples of this, I find their material fantastic, but I take it exactly what it is, jokes and satirical comments and not actual political commentary.

Discussing views of life and success is another good example, several celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Denzel Washington have some incredible motivational material, but thats coming from their journey in life and not using their status as leverage.

I hope that made somewhat sense, its been a long day so hopefully I worded it correctly :D

I just find it funny how people get so worked up about stuff like this.



Projection as ever, the most to use their own terminology ‘triggered’ are those obsessed with the so called ‘left’ in Hollywood finding bizarre ‘signs’ for their belief in it somehow being the end of ‘our’ ‘Murcia. Oh the humanity!
Rock did not make a complaint, Smith after no doubt a call from his agent has embarked belatedly on damage limitation to his career.
Really that’s all their is to it, for rational people at least.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:22 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Redd wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.



Because the modern left has no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.


Because ideologues on left and right have no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.

There, fixed it for you. There most certainly are values on left and right these days, but not real ones. It's all about using up the oxygen to 'win'.


I would agree, if there wasn't such a high percentage of ideologues on the left. It's like the right 20 plus years ago, they were the 'bat sh!t crazy', now the roles have reversed. No ownership, no personal responsibility, hypocrisy in not holding 'your own' to the same standard as the 'enemy'.

Honestly, can you imagine the outrage if it was Rogan that slapped Rock? Actually, if it was Rogan presenting, and he made that joke about Jada, I wonder if Smith would have even gotten out of his seat.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:42 am

scbriml wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang


There's zero chance he'll lose his Oscar. Some here will be very disappointed.


I think you’ll be surprised, there’s a big groundswell against Smith for his actions, twitter going nuts, tik tok is blowing up, they need to be decisive.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:50 am

Smith, who has long traded on his nice guy persona, maybe he is, lost his rag after his wife showed upset over a joke from a comedian who has a record of obnoxious behavior, whether part of his act or genuinely how he is. Plus he likely feared losing his Oscar which seemed to overrule the ‘that’s how we do it’ stance immediately after the event.
In other words, standard for the industry and always been. Regardless of the racial element that just has to be cited by some.

What some seemingly dense and misinformation spreading podcaster has to do with anything is mystery to me, the paranoia and resentments of ‘Murcia are about as rational as a Putin outburst.
Get over yourselves.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:55 am

I bet the first 'damage control' act of the Oscar's organization was orders from their lawyers to media and online companies to stop any further distribution or access to the uncensored international clips of the actual confrontation on the internet or elsewhere. They are extremely tight on their use of their copyrights and trademarks to protect their revenues and that of the entertainment industry in general as well as look like they are something greater than they are.

The Board of the Oscars will likely take very careful action with Will Smith but also with Chris Rock, to make it clear such acts are unacceptable. They don't want to seem if any racial bias in their decisions but discourage any such disruptions in the future. As I have suggested before, likely the Oscars presentations in the future will become more serious, few if any jokes, tightening up the time presenters and winners get to comment on their wins, limit political comments so not to anger the general audience to keep them going to their movies or conservative politicians so can keep their overly generous tax and financial deals. In the end it will come down to money.

To me this confrontation is part of a much larger social and cultural issue. People of all parts of the social and political spectrum are more willing to express their objections, their feelings, their likes and dislikes more strongly, even to the point of violence. This has been further encouraged by the internet based social media where few filters are available and something 'goes viral'.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:31 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I bet the first 'damage control' act of the Oscar's organization was orders from their lawyers to media and online companies to stop any further distribution or access to the uncensored international clips of the actual confrontation on the internet or elsewhere. They are extremely tight on their use of their copyrights and trademarks to protect their revenues and that of the entertainment industry in general as well as look like they are something greater than they are.

The Board of the Oscars will likely take very careful action with Will Smith but also with Chris Rock, to make it clear such acts are unacceptable. They don't want to seem if any racial bias in their decisions but discourage any such disruptions in the future. As I have suggested before, likely the Oscars presentations in the future will become more serious, few if any jokes, tightening up the time presenters and winners get to comment on their wins, limit political comments so not to anger the general audience to keep them going to their movies or conservative politicians so can keep their overly generous tax and financial deals. In the end it will come down to money.

To me this confrontation is part of a much larger social and cultural issue. People of all parts of the social and political spectrum are more willing to express their objections, their feelings, their likes and dislikes more strongly, even to the point of violence. This has been further encouraged by the internet based social media where few filters are available and something 'goes viral'.



I think you are a bit wrong about that.

The Oscars will not be more tame. They don't want a drop in ratings. They will be more strict about behavior policies and stage access. They will make fines and other items very clear to those in attendance.

Perhaps they will pull back Will Smith's Oscar, or decline to make a consideration of him for some time. Perhaps Chris Rock and Will Smith will work this out privately with the Oscars to make it right. It seems Will Smith recognizes he was in the wrong, and will probably be charitable in reconciliation.


I don't see it as a larger social and cultural issue. This had nothing to do with politics. This was something personal between Chris Rock and Will smith.
You may not remember the old days where punches and slaps where a much bigger piece of the pie. That this was on the Oscars was a bit more brazen.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainmen ... -set.html/
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:16 pm

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.
They should ban him from every oscar going forward though.
In 1993 Richard Gere was banned from oscars for denouncing the Chinese gov so physical assault ban should be the minimum penalty here.
Unfortunately we're living in a very lib/far right "do what you want as long as you're with us" era so I bet nothing will happen.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:58 pm

Not the first time there has been some in this a chance to storm the stage and attack the presenter, in this case the would be assailant was too old and unfit to make it;
However valid Brando’s charge of the way Hollywood stereotyped Native Americans, it did not go down well that night. John Wayne, serial slaughterer of Native Americans on-screen and self-professed white supremacist off it, just happened to be in the wings during Littlefeather’s speech. “During my presentation, he was coming towards me to forcibly take me off the stage, and he had to be restrained by six security men to prevent him from doing so.” Presenting best picture soon after (also for The Godfather), Clint Eastwood quipped: “I don’t know if I should present this award on behalf of all the cowboys shot in all the John Ford westerns over the years.” When Littlefeather got backstage, she says, there were people making stereotypical Native American war cries at her and miming chopping with a tomahawk. After talking to the press, she went straight back to Brando’s house where they sat together and watched the reactions to the event on television.
No one thought anyone should take any of HIS awards away from him, not that he could act for shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ecret-life
(Recalling that, I wondered if there had been trouble at the 1973 awards).

Nonce rapist Polanski never had his awards revoked either.
Nor one Harvey Winestein.
Maybe it's OK if it happens away from the awards.

An acerbic view of it from a self confessed lover of Hollywood 80's comedies;

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/m ... fter-party

Apparently there was some booing when Smith received his award.
I know he's hugely successful but by god, an actor worthy of an Oscar?
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:19 pm

[quote="GDB"I know he's hugely successful but by god, an actor worthy of an Oscar?[/quote]

Agree 100%. I don't really have a horse in this whole debate but even if that wasn't Chris Rock's best night on stage he is certainly 10X the comedian than Will Smith is an actor. That pretty much goes true for any comedian, if only for the fact that they write their own material and perform their acts with zero support and no place to hide.

The best outcome of this whole affair is Chris walking around the rest of life saying he got bitch-slapped by Muhammed Ali and barely flinched.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:44 pm

Will's mom speaks, and also ABC News Chief Legal Analyst Dan Abrams joins the GMA set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7AHLvV0keg
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:45 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.


I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:59 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.


I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.


Yes, not that he won't pay a price if reports of him no longer being considered for several projects is true. (I bet that got him writing his apology speech if nothing else).
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:40 pm

Another case of do as I say not as I do

https://twitter.com/ThePopPunkDad/statu ... 7113611265

But Rock might get the last laugh

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 46206.html

Chris Rock tickets for live tour spike after Will Smith Oscars slap
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 pm

Well...he got in one little fight.

Guess it's off to Bel Air for him.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:00 pm

Huh.

So Pfizer sponsored the Oscars and they have a alopecia drug coming out.

What a coincidence!
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:28 pm

Would have been a lot more entertaining if Rock would have hit him back. Can you picture two guys in suits in a full-on brawl at the Oscars? Priceless.....
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:34 pm

Will Smith shouldn't hit anybody.

I wonder sometimes about this "humor" where most know they have to laugh, to show they can handle anything.
But you can see they only laugh with their mouths, not their eyes.

Rock's "joke" makes him a piece of shit in my eyes.
He deep down knew he went too far, but still used it, smiling.

Assaulting with words, laughing.Wrong choice IMO.
Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:43 pm

Tonight, on the TV show Extra, they said:

"People from Chris Rock's team have said that the report that Chris and Will had smoothed things out, was False."


But how many people have been going on and on based on that False report???? I didn't buy it. It sounded like crap to me from the get go.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:46 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Tonight, on the TV show Extra, they said:

"People from Chris Rock's team have said that the report that Chris and Will had smoothed things out, was False."


But how many people have been going on and on based on that False report???? I didn't buy it. It sounded like crap to me from the get go.


Junk TV is often better left unwatched.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:15 am

Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56
 
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https://mobile.twitter.com/detroit_DUST ... 2303062022

A little advice on how to avoid getting slapped in the mouth if you joke about a man's wife. :rotfl:
 
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56


Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:37 am

Aaron747 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56


Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.


Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:45 am

A101 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56


Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.


Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?


Not necessarily - the qualifier she offered from management's perspective is they obviously already knew he had won Best Actor, so the optics of removing him before that were complicated.
 
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Aaron747 wrote:
A101 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.


Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?


Not necessarily - the qualifier she offered from management's perspective is they obviously already knew he had won Best Actor, so the optics of removing him before that were complicated.


That's funny. I didn't think that anyone onsite knew in advance who had won an Oscar, except the Accounting Firm.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:24 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.


I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.


I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:57 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
A101 wrote:

Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?


Not necessarily - the qualifier she offered from management's perspective is they obviously already knew he had won Best Actor, so the optics of removing him before that were complicated.


That's funny. I didn't think that anyone onsite knew in advance who had won an Oscar, except the Accounting Firm.


Onsite meaning the Kodak Theatre? Sure. Academy management is another story.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:58 am

Kiwirob wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.


I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.


I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.


I agree. In the bylaws of any reputable organization and workplace, onsite violence is a zero tolerance offense.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:22 am

Kiwirob wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.


I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.


I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.


You're equating slapping a man who just made a joke at the expense of your wife's medical condition with a serial sex abuser? :rotfl:
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:25 am

scbriml wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.


I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.


You're equating slapping a man who just made a joke at the expense of your wife's medical condition with a serial sex abuser? :rotfl:


Both sex crime and violence are zero tolerance offenses in most professional organizations that are run properly. It’s not necessarily an equivocation.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:30 am

Aaron747 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.


You're equating slapping a man who just made a joke at the expense of your wife's medical condition with a serial sex abuser? :rotfl:


Both sex crime and violence are zero tolerance offenses in most professional organizations that are run properly. It’s not necessarily an equivocation.


If the punishment for both is the same, then it will be seen as equivocation.
 
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Re: Will Smith assaults Chris Rock at the Oscars

Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:27 am

Basketball legend, well respected social commentator and activist Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has said that Will Smith's actions "advocated violence, diminished women, insulted the entertainment industry and perpetuate stereotypes of the Black Community". He brings up an excellent point that needs to be noted in this discussion. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kar ... 02190.html

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