slider wrote:

The Oscars got what they wanted--ratings and buzz.

slider wrote:

The Oscars got what they wanted--ratings and buzz.

scbriml wrote:

Conservatives: He wouldn't have been killed by the police if he'd done as he was told.
Conservatives: Police shouldn't be jailed for shooting a man with a gun instead of a taser.

Same conservatives when a man slaps another man for insulting his wife: * outrage *

PixelPilot wrote:

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

NIKV69 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

I think he handled himself very professionally.
As for will smith he should be thrown out of that place yet he was allowed to stay. This was up for the organizers to act on and they failed miserably.
Everybody in that crowd always hashtag cries about violence and anything they can put their face on yet here it is what it is.
Bunch of losers.

Not hard to see where the privilege lies. What a disgusting night for television and society.

N14AZ wrote:

Also, I read that the Smith‘s are practicing the concept of an „open marriage“. So here he played the mighty raider, defending his wife but at the same time he has no problem to cheat her? I don’t know, something doesn’t add up…

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

Aaron747 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

What’s with the laundry list of names? A bit pedantic, no?

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

What’s with the laundry list of names? A bit pedantic, no?

I do not agree with your statement, at all. I do not think it added to the discussion. Your value judgements are not welcome or solicited.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

scbriml wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

There's zero chance he'll lose his Oscar. Some here will be very disappointed.

PixelPilot wrote:

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Redd wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

ACDC8 wrote:

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you or I think or what this comedian said or what that comedian said - all that matters is one joke by one comedian and how it effected an individual and the reaction an individual took after seeing how that one joke by that one comedian effected the person they care very deeply about.

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Because the modern left has no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.

ACDC8 wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Personally, I could care less what they have to say or not say about this or any other topic. The only time I'm interested in what they have to say is when they read the script in the movie their acting in. Anything else is nothing but a humble opinion from another person who's position in society holds no merit.

Aaron747 wrote:

That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

ACDC8 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

If a comedian makes jokes or satirical comments on politics, thats different, thats their job. Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher are great examples of this, I find their material fantastic, but I take it exactly what it is, jokes and satirical comments and not actual political commentary.

Discussing views of life and success is another good example, several celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Denzel Washington have some incredible motivational material, but thats coming from their journey in life and not using their status as leverage.

I hope that made somewhat sense, its been a long day so hopefully I worded it correctly

I just find it funny how people get so worked up about stuff like this.

ACDC8 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

That's not always the case though. Robin Williams, as an example, was also a brilliant standup performer and his comedy bits often had incisive political content.

If a comedian makes jokes or satirical comments on politics, thats different, thats their job. Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher are great examples of this, I find their material fantastic, but I take it exactly what it is, jokes and satirical comments and not actual political commentary.

Discussing views of life and success is another good example, several celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Denzel Washington have some incredible motivational material, but thats coming from their journey in life and not using their status as leverage.

I hope that made somewhat sense, its been a long day so hopefully I worded it correctly

I just find it funny how people get so worked up about stuff like this.

Aaron747 wrote:

Redd wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

Actually what matters is that the whole bunch of celebrities sat there and said nothing.
No protests, no hashtags, no male masculinity cry, no stop the violence or whatever reason they find every day to protest about.
The sit there like turds and then gave him a standing ovation.

All of it for the world to see.
Check what's trending on twitter Today and where is the discussion heading. It's coming from all races btw.

Because the modern left has no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.

Because ideologues on left and right have no values. For them it is all subjective and fluid depending on who did what, instead of what was done by whom.

There, fixed it for you. There most certainly are values on left and right these days, but not real ones. It's all about using up the oxygen to 'win'.

scbriml wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/sag-aftra-response-will-smith-chris-rock-slap-oscars-1235121256/

On Wednesday evening, the Academy’s Board of Directors will meet to address the situation. The decision comes just hours after the officers of the Academy’s Board of Governors — including president David Rubin and CEO Dawn Hudson — convened Monday for an emergency phone call about the incident.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_o ... _Governors

Governors

Actors Branch – Laura Dern, Whoopi Goldberg, Rita Wilson
Casting Directors Branch – Kim Taylor-Coleman, David Rubin, Debra Zane
Cinematographers Branch – Paul Cameron, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker
Costume Designers Branch – Ruth E. Carter, Eduardo Castro, Isis Mussenden
Directors Branch – Susanne Bier, Ava DuVernay, Steven Spielberg
Documentary Branch – Kate Amend, Jean Tsien, Roger Ross Williams
Executives Branch – Pam Abdy, Donna Gigliotti, David Linde
Film Editors Branch – Dody Dorn, Stephen E. Rivkin, Terilyn A. Shropshire
Makeup Artists and Hairstylists Branch – Howard Berger, Bill Corso, Linda Flowers
Marketing and Public Relations Branch – Laura Kim, Christina Kounelias, Nancy Utley
Music Branch – Lesley Barber, Charles Bernstein, Laura Karpman
Producers Branch – Mark Johnson, Lynette Howell Taylor, Jennifer Todd
Production Design Branch – Tom Duffield, Jan Pascale, Wynn P. Thomas
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch – Bonnie Arnold, Jon Bloom, Jennifer Yuh Nelson
Sound Branch – Gary C. Bourgeois, Kevin Collier, Teri E. Dorman
Visual Effects Branch – Craig Barron, Rob Bredow, Brooke Breton
Writers Branch – Larry Karaszewski, Howard A. Rodman, Eric Roth
Governors-at-large (nominated by the President and elected by the board) – DeVon Franklin, Rodrigo García, Janet Yang

There's zero chance he'll lose his Oscar. Some here will be very disappointed.

ltbewr wrote:

I bet the first 'damage control' act of the Oscar's organization was orders from their lawyers to media and online companies to stop any further distribution or access to the uncensored international clips of the actual confrontation on the internet or elsewhere. They are extremely tight on their use of their copyrights and trademarks to protect their revenues and that of the entertainment industry in general as well as look like they are something greater than they are.

The Board of the Oscars will likely take very careful action with Will Smith but also with Chris Rock, to make it clear such acts are unacceptable. They don't want to seem if any racial bias in their decisions but discourage any such disruptions in the future. As I have suggested before, likely the Oscars presentations in the future will become more serious, few if any jokes, tightening up the time presenters and winners get to comment on their wins, limit political comments so not to anger the general audience to keep them going to their movies or conservative politicians so can keep their overly generous tax and financial deals. In the end it will come down to money.

To me this confrontation is part of a much larger social and cultural issue. People of all parts of the social and political spectrum are more willing to express their objections, their feelings, their likes and dislikes more strongly, even to the point of violence. This has been further encouraged by the internet based social media where few filters are available and something 'goes viral'.

PixelPilot wrote:

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.

Chris Rock tickets for live tour spike after Will Smith Oscars slap

"People from Chris Rock's team have said that the report that Chris and Will had smoothed things out, was False."

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Tonight, on the TV show Extra, they said:

"People from Chris Rock's team have said that the report that Chris and Will had smoothed things out, was False."

But how many people have been going on and on based on that False report???? I didn't buy it. It sounded like crap to me from the get go.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56

Aaron747 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56

Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.

A101 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Academy Board of Governors member Whoopi Goldberg tried to explain on The View why the Oscar Management team decided against removing Smith after the assault. What she said needs elaboration, if I'm going to fully understand it...

https://youtu.be/G0K2Bm4yH64?t=56

Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.

Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?

Aaron747 wrote:

A101 wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

Her subtext is pretty clear there - the Academy was afraid of the optics of removing Smith. Hollywood has been trying to restore its image with the black community the last decade or so, management is clueless how to actually do that, so they're always on pins and needles.

Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?

Not necessarily - the qualifier she offered from management's perspective is they obviously already knew he had won Best Actor, so the optics of removing him before that were complicated.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

A101 wrote:

Thought it was pretty bad when she said about removing a black man from the oscars, so does that mean if he was white it would be all right?

Not necessarily - the qualifier she offered from management's perspective is they obviously already knew he had won Best Actor, so the optics of removing him before that were complicated.

That's funny. I didn't think that anyone onsite knew in advance who had won an Oscar, except the Accounting Firm.

Kiwirob wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.

I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.

Kiwirob wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

PixelPilot wrote:

I think it is worth pointing out that the instagram apology (an actor that couldn't even record himself talking) came out after the academy started the review.
This is a lawyer talking.
For the record I don't think they should take his oscar away. After all it was given for his performance.

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.

I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.

scbriml wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

DIRECTFLT wrote:

I agree with that. But I don't think a permanent ban from the Oscars is warranted.

I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.

You're equating slapping a man who just made a joke at the expense of your wife's medical condition with a serial sex abuser?

Aaron747 wrote:

scbriml wrote:

Kiwirob wrote:

I do, Weinstein was permanently banned, so the same should happen to Smith.

You're equating slapping a man who just made a joke at the expense of your wife's medical condition with a serial sex abuser?

Both sex crime and violence are zero tolerance offenses in most professional organizations that are run properly. It’s not necessarily an equivocation.