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Australian Federal Election 2022

Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:56 pm

PM Morrison flying down to Canberra to see the Governor-General

https://www.9news.com.au/national/scott ... 24dd0597c9




I hope he does not take Albanese’s advice to go to the Lodge to see the GG :rotfl:

https://www.news.com.au/national/federa ... e407ae?amp
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:10 am

PM confirms date for federal election
Australians will go to the polls on May 21 to decide who will become the nation's next Prime Minister.


https://www.9news.com.au/scott-morrison
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:31 am

Now all we need is to fast forward to election day and get everything over and done with.

No annoying adverts, no annoying biased media pundits and no nuisance spam gangs spamming forums and website comment sections for their parties.
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:35 am

They are all as useless as each other. Both sides stuffed up answering gotcha questions, the PM kept calling journos “Mr Speaker”, along with confusing the weekly amount versus the daily amount. Maybe the only bright spot was the “google it” response to one of those questions (he answered it anyway). It was nice to see that smug young journo get put in his place.

The standards are terrible and the politics have become so superficial - I’m over it and don’t care.

This year I won’t be waiting in line to vote as a result of my terrible accident and not being able to go anyway. But I also don’t have to run the gauntlet of the party minions telling me how to vote.

I’ll vote for the first party that will peg the pay of politicians to the level of the lowest paid workers.


What has occurred just now on the watch of the current government is this:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-wa ... 5aeib.html

The deal has been signed according to China. This could be very bad for our national security.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:23 pm

What's the approval rating for both parties now?
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:52 pm

cpd wrote:

They are all as useless as each other. Both sides stuffed up answering gotcha questions, the PM kept calling journos “Mr Speaker”, along with confusing the weekly amount versus the daily amount. Maybe the only bright spot was the “google it” response to one of those questions (he answered it anyway). It was nice to see that smug young journo get put in his place.


Have to agree the level of campaigning from all parties is very disappointing, but that also comes from the media as well, who are more interested in gotcha moments

cpd wrote:
What has occurred just now on the watch of the current government is this:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-wa ... 5aeib.html

The deal has been signed according to China. This could be very bad for our national security.


More to this than meets the eye, AU/NZ can’t out spend CCP. The lack of transparency on the agreement is the most concerned aspect. Sogavare is playing the classic game of playing one against the other. China just looking for more flags to legitimise going after Taiwan.

But I do find it hilarious that some comments on the matter think it comes down to AU and it’s climate policies, but just bring that back to reality so the Solomon Islands make a agreement with the biggest polluter in the world instead hilarious

Bribery allegations are not new in the Solomon Islands you just don’t turn from supporting Taiwan to China at the drop of a hat lots happening behind the scenes

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/c ... 1c5611?amp

I think there is more debt trap diplomacy going on than has been let on

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13136188
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:19 pm

UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for both parties now?



It’s an interesting one from looking at the news, polls suggest ALP still in front but it’s losing support,the coalition is gain only marginally but the independents are gaining the most support

One of the sports bets have had more money being placed on the coalition and actually had them winning, but somehow I don’t see them paying out early like last time

Methinks it’s going to be a minority ALP government with support from the loony greens like Gillard Government
 
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Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:26 pm

A101 wrote:
UAUA wrote:
What's the approval rating for both parties now?



It’s an interesting one from looking at the news, polls suggest ALP still in front but it’s losing support,the coalition is gain only marginally but the independents are gaining the most support

One of the sports bets have had more money being placed on the coalition and actually had them winning, but somehow I don’t see them paying out early like last time

Methinks it’s going to be a minority ALP government with support from the loony greens like Gillard Government


ALthough I'd expect the Greens would support a Labor Government, I'd expect that at least 3 of the "teal" independents will be elected and mostly support a Labor Government (as they would a Coalition Government, other than on environmental issues). Those independents would be Libs if the party had not moved so far to the right. It is very intersting that the strongest attacks on the Liberal candidate for Warringah have come from within the Liberal party.

Albanese's campaign has been somewhat lacklustre so far, and surely will swing into attack mode as it progresses. It's almost as if the Government's failures, mismanagements and alleged corruption of the last 3 years have never happened, ignored by both the Labor party and a conservative media.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:05 am

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This year I won’t be waiting in line to vote as a result of my terrible accident and not being able to go anyway.


I hope you have a speedy recovery.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:55 am

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cpd wrote:
This year I won’t be waiting in line to vote as a result of my terrible accident and not being able to go anyway.


I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Cheers Dutchy - I've accepted it now but the first week and immediately out of hospital was very tough both physically (pain) and mentally with depression from being high fitness, very active to nothing (first week needing assistance to do most things) and the worry that I could be in hospital again if things didn't work out. Fortunately that risk is gone.

I imagine I have another 3-4 weeks before they may get me trying to walk again and then hopefully I can try to get back to some activity. In a way I was very lucky being extremely fit because I was really light otherwise it would have been much more difficult. All I can do is try to be positive, and lucky I have plenty of people looking out for me.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:10 am

A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:

They are all as useless as each other. Both sides stuffed up answering gotcha questions, the PM kept calling journos “Mr Speaker”, along with confusing the weekly amount versus the daily amount. Maybe the only bright spot was the “google it” response to one of those questions (he answered it anyway). It was nice to see that smug young journo get put in his place.


Have to agree the level of campaigning from all parties is very disappointing, but that also comes from the media as well, who are more interested in gotcha moments

cpd wrote:
What has occurred just now on the watch of the current government is this:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-wa ... 5aeib.html

The deal has been signed according to China. This could be very bad for our national security.


More to this than meets the eye, AU/NZ can’t out spend CCP. The lack of transparency on the agreement is the most concerned aspect. Sogavare is playing the classic game of playing one against the other. China just looking for more flags to legitimise going after Taiwan.

But I do find it hilarious that some comments on the matter think it comes down to AU and it’s climate policies, but just bring that back to reality so the Solomon Islands make a agreement with the biggest polluter in the world instead hilarious

Bribery allegations are not new in the Solomon Islands you just don’t turn from supporting Taiwan to China at the drop of a hat lots happening behind the scenes

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/c ... 1c5611?amp

I think there is more debt trap diplomacy going on than has been let on

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13136188


You're going to see other Pacific Island nations change allegiance to China in the coming years, Australia and NZ have taken these countries for granted, we aren't spending anywhere near enough to prop them up and keep them on side. I can easily see Fiji being the next to change tack.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:12 am

cpd wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
cpd wrote:
This year I won’t be waiting in line to vote as a result of my terrible accident and not being able to go anyway.


I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Cheers Dutchy - I've accepted it now but the first week and immediately out of hospital was very tough both physically (pain) and mentally with depression from being high fitness, very active to nothing (first week needing assistance to do most things) and the worry that I could be in hospital again if things didn't work out. Fortunately that risk is gone.

I imagine I have another 3-4 weeks before they may get me trying to walk again and then hopefully I can try to get back to some activity. In a way I was very lucky being extremely fit because I was really light otherwise it would have been much more difficult. All I can do is try to be positive, and lucky I have plenty of people looking out for me.


If you don't mind me asking, did you come off your bike at speed?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm

Polls narrowing in Aussie?
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:54 pm

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Polls narrowing in Aussie?


There has been some narrowing of the Labor lead in the last week.

Albanese (the Labor leader) appears to have finally switched to attack mode, and won last night's TV debate hosted on Sky, the Australian equivalent of Fox (Murdoch owned, hard right wing, but much lower rating than Fox thankfully).
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:51 pm

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Polls narrowing in Aussie?


There has been some narrowing of the Labor lead in the last week.

Albanese (the Labor leader) appears to have finally switched to attack mode, and won last night's TV debate hosted on Sky, the Australian equivalent of Fox (Murdoch owned, hard right wing, but much lower rating than Fox thankfully).



I watched that last night just happened to flick thru the channels in the motel I’m staying at on a bit of a holiday, on way to Parkes Elvia festivities

I do not really think either landed killer blows against each other, thought Morrison was the more polished performance than Albanese, but Albanese made it more personal with his answers. Think border protection is still going to dog them through out the campaign. He seemed to be a bit muddled on what the ALP did when it dismantled Howard’s border protections


I think it was from memory 35 to Morrison 40 to Albanese and 25 still undecided which is pretty much par for course, they were supposedly 100 undecided what that doesn’t actually show who they intend t vote for but who they thought won the debate
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:46 am

https://www.9news.com.au/national/antho ... 691fb9f6c1

Anthony Albanese tests positive for COVID-19
1less week of media scrutiny I guess has it silver linings

Wonder if Morrison will as well as they were close contact and shook hands
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:08 am

Maybe not, sometimes you can get lucky. Hopefully he gets through it with no heavy/bad symptoms. One of my friends got it and was quite sick for a few weeks.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:28 pm

A101 wrote:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/anthony-albanese-tests-positive-to-covid19-routine-pcr/209ede9b-b398-4e68-89e9-85691fb9f6c1

Anthony Albanese tests positive for COVID-19
1less week of media scrutiny I guess has it silver linings

Wonder if Morrison will as well as they were close contact and shook hands


Also noting that Morrison has also tested positive in the last couple of months, so may be lucky and have some additional coverage over and above his vaccinations.

It will be very interesting to see how nbadly it impacts Albanese in health terms - after seeing my wife's experience, my advice to people is to rest and rest early rather than keeping plugging on and dragging out the recovery.

For Labor, the rest of the team will need to step up for a face to face. Albanese was just getting some momentum after the debate, and it will be interesting to see how th emedia covers any online campaigning he's able to do.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:18 am

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ALthough I'd expect the Greens would support a Labor Government, I'd expect that at least 3 of the "teal" independents will be elected and mostly support a Labor Government (as they would a Coalition Government, other than on environmental issues). Those independents would be Libs if the party had not moved so far to the right. It is very intersting that the strongest attacks on the Liberal candidate for Warringah have come from within the Liberal party.


The “teals” are what the true Liberal party should be. Unfortunately the party has been taken over by hard right culture warriors, religious extremists and fossil fuel interests.

I noticed the first “teal”, Zali Steggal, easily cruised to victory over former PM Abbott in the seat of Warringah in the last election. Warringah had one of the highest votes for same sex marriage in the 2017 postal vote survey yet it’s sitting MP was the face of religious conservatism. People in these urban middle to upper class seats don’t want Abbott or Morrisons, they want Turnbulls. Those who are pro climate action, pro LGBT rights, secular and anti corruption. I have no doubt most of these “teals” are going to be successful in the seats that run in.

As they grow some of the few moderate Liberals remaining like Dave Sharma and Trent Zimmerman will have the guts to leave the party and sit as independents and deny the Liberal party a majority for evermore. Then the Liberals can undertake the hard but necessary step of ridding itself of the far right influence, send those types to parties where they belong like One Nation or the UAP, and then move their policy positions to where the “teals” are, and then we can have good governance in this country.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:25 am

That is a “Deve-ious” idea, but worth it.

The LNP has too many cranks and loonies and not enough traditional fiscal conservatives.

The party even wants to take over coal power plants. What are we going to have next, a ministry for coal, something Soviet Union style?
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:13 pm

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The party even wants to take over coal power plants. What are we going to have next, a ministry for coal, something Soviet Union style?


That’s a far more “socialist” position than anything the ALP is proposing, yet the LNP call the ALP “communists” all day long
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:49 pm

This Katherine Deves I suspect is being setup or used by the PM. She will be unlikely to win and her crazy views might just be a distraction from keeping people focusing on other policy matters that the LNP would prefer not to talk about. Maybe I’m wrong but I wouldn’t put it past the LNP to be just that ruthless.

If she wants to have a chance, she ought to tone down the eccentric behaviour and start talking well researched policies on many other issues. So far we see hiding in garages, doesn’t want to talk to media, deleted social media accounts. Then people screaming cancel culture. She either cancelled her own social media accounts, or the LNP hierarchy forced her to do so. Nobody else.


Now they have the son of a former Premier going against them:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5afh3.html

It talks of just how out of touch they are to what the Liberal party used to be.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:45 am

Deves has no chance in Warringah, but continued support for her is a dog whistle to other electorates that may be more I. Line with her views.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:54 am

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Deves has no chance in Warringah, but continued support for her is a dog whistle to other electorates that may be more I. Line with her views.



Deves has zero chance in Warringah. She's anti-LGBT in one of the most pro LGBT electorates in Australia. Zali Steggall is a popular local member, and once a good independent is ingrained in an electorate (Wilkie for instance) they are hard to remove.

But she was put there to dog whistle to other electorates for sure. There's a number of ALP marginals in Western Sydney and rural areas where the same sex marriage vote in 2017 was a majority No. Morrison is prepared to throw the transgender community under the bus to steal votes from Labor in those electorates. Maybe to sure up Queensland seats as well.

I hate how with all the real problems in this nation like a failing aged care system, health system overloaded, wage growth flatlines, housing prices and cost of living through the roof, increasingly natural disaster and climate change and government corruption, the media are making the non issue of transwomen athletes the lead story. It just shows how much the media are in the tank for Morrison and interests that do not serve the majority of the people.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:47 am

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But she was put there to dog whistle to other electorates for sure. There's a number of ALP marginals in Western Sydney and rural areas where the same sex marriage vote in 2017 was a majority No. Morrison is prepared to throw the transgender community under the bus to steal votes from Labor in those electorates. Maybe to sure up Queensland seats as well.


Morrison has done his homework in regards to this, with NSW and QLD the only states that will give him victory.

The Katherine Deves saga has also kept the Solomon Islands and PRC security pact somewhat as a non story with trickle of news items criticising the government on their handling of this issue.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:47 pm

Polls seem to be narrowing further.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:34 pm

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Polls seem to be narrowing further.



No not really, watching the morning shows latest poll still has ALP in front. The Greens are actually improving in the polls

Albo is in isolation think he is allowed out today or tomorrow

ALP announced a plan to build a defence school in the Pacfic, I think they forgot to look that the government has already did that with Fiji

I think that they forget that the ADF has been training Pacfic Islanders here in Australia for years in our own defence schools such as Duntroon

https://fijisun.com.fj/2019/07/06/staff ... -duntroon/

The federal government has plunged about $100 million into expanding and redeveloping the facility, which is emerging as a key strategic asset in the Pacific.


Australia outbid China to secure the right to finance the project back in 2018, when strategic competition in the region was beginning to intensify.


https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100910606
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:42 pm

Defences schools are pretty useless given the Chinese government is totally in charge of everything now on the LNP watch. The LNP shouted and snarled about China but proved itself to be a paper tiger. Now the consequences going forward are extremely bad.

Worse we don’t have good relations with France either (also on the LNP watch), so it wouldn’t be easy to establish a big military presence in New Caledonia.

The other nearby island nations would be good candidates for building big military facilities and radars in the same manner as China does on islands. Put missiles and radars there as well.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:57 pm

Morrison in WA saying he's more like the hugely popular Labor leader of the state than Federal Labor leader Albanese.

The Coalition is desperate to at least retain seats in WA. That Morrison is being so open with his desperation, given the legal action his Government supported against WA's Covid border controls make it all the more pathetic.

Stepping aside a little from the campaigning, the commitments from both Labor and the Coalition parties that neither will seek to from government with support from independent MPs sets up a very interesting numbers game. Unless there is an absolute rout of the Coalition's candidates, the chances if Labor forming a majority government are still reasonable low.

In an interesting local development, the Liberal party (one of the two parties currently governing in coalition) failed to nominate a candidate for my local electorate. Given that the Lib polled higher than the Greens at the last election, and that the candidates are Labor, Green, One Nation and United Australia Party, it will be interesting to see the winning margin for Labor. The latter two parties are right wing populist parties with little electoral appeal, although UAP is being bankrolled by the billionaire party leader.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:03 am

The other bit that annoys me is we have media (radio presenters) who rather than interviewing a politician spend the entire time shouting at the politician. That’s crap.

Those types should go do something else like laying bricks, fixing plumbing or something else that might get them back in touch with the common folk they reckon they represent.

If it were me doing the interview I wouldn’t be shouting at all.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:29 am

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Defences schools are pretty useless given the Chinese government is totally in charge of everything now on the LNP watch.


Bit of a overly dramatic statement don’t you think?

I would not say they are useless, given how Fiji have excelled at peacekeeping under blue helmets as a source of income, with both AU/UK training majority of their officer’s

cpd wrote:
The LNP shouted and snarled about China but proved itself to be a paper tiger.

Now the consequences going forward are extremely bad.



CCP made their own bed and now the have to lie in it, remember those militarised islands that they told Obama the would not put offensive armaments on them,as well as the international ruling in the Philippines favour in regards to the Islands. Well we know how that turned out.

History has already taught us that appeasement of an aggressor simply does not work.

I thought it was reasonable of Morrison to get a inquiry into the covid-19 genesis, can’t help it if the CCP have thin skins

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Now the consequences going forward are extremely bad.


I imagine it will become bad for the Solomons general population depending what level of debt Sogavare commits to the CCP and their willingness to occupy and quell any rebellious groups agai st CCP interests

For the AU/NZ it will mean a change of operating tempo, one thing to remember the PLA-Navy/AirForce have longer SLC problems than ADF. I don’t think we will have something like a fleet base to contend with it’s more about SIGINT, and more perhaps a larger Chinese fishing fleet in the years to come. NZ needs to step up here as well.

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Worse we don’t have good relations with France either (also on the LNP watch), so it wouldn’t be easy to establish a big military presence in New Caledonia.


The French are only happy when things go there way, the French were just taking us for a ride. If we get a superior submarine capability out it that 5Billion was worth it to pay the French out

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The other nearby island nations would be good candidates for building big military facilities and radars in the same manner as China does on islands. Put missiles and radars there as well.


No then we are just as bad as they are, and then complaining about colonialism.

AU all ready have good long range surveillance capabilities and are getting upgraded in AU with Jorn. The ADF has already committed to strength our SIGINT with P8/ E7A and soon to be MC-55A Peregrine aircraft.

Think we need a combined ANZUS Integrated Undersea Surveillance System to monitor movements in the Pacfic
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:31 am

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The other bit that annoys me is we have media (radio presenters) who rather than interviewing a politician spend the entire time shouting at the politician. That’s crap.

Those types should go do something else like laying bricks, fixing plumbing or something else that might get them back in touch with the common folk they reckon they represent.

If it were me doing the interview I wouldn’t be shouting at all.


I would have to agree the standard of so called Journalism has declined remarkable in the last 20 odd years
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:50 am

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cpd wrote:
The other bit that annoys me is we have media (radio presenters) who rather than interviewing a politician spend the entire time shouting at the politician. That’s crap.

Those types should go do something else like laying bricks, fixing plumbing or something else that might get them back in touch with the common folk they reckon they represent.

If it were me doing the interview I wouldn’t be shouting at all.


I would have to agree the standard of so called Journalism has declined remarkable in the last 20 odd years


Problem is that people cheer and reckon this behaviour is great provided it benefits their favoured side. We’ve seen it in the USA as well when some presenter shouts down the person being interviewed or someone not towing the line. Unfortunately we appear to be going the same way.

On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:16 am

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On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.


Its just like the old ALP defence promises of F22 raptor, was never going to happen because of an act of US congress, the ALP knew it its all political

Look on paper the French design looks the better option than the German & Japanese offerings at the time. But the French were looking at it as a business and milk it for all it was worth, the Japanese saw it as a strategic partnership as well. Morison made the correct decisions to cancel as it a strategic importance for AusGov

Agree nuclear should have been options from the get go when Collins replacement program started Astute and Virginia were never in the running because there were too many hurdles politically both here and overseas.

Both sides have a lot to answer for in the replacement, we were originally going for a clean sheet design, but unfortunately funding was stripped by both the ALP & Libs in the early days and we are were we are because of it
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:23 am

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A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:
The other bit that annoys me is we have media (radio presenters) who rather than interviewing a politician spend the entire time shouting at the politician. That’s crap.

Those types should go do something else like laying bricks, fixing plumbing or something else that might get them back in touch with the common folk they reckon they represent.

If it were me doing the interview I wouldn’t be shouting at all.


I would have to agree the standard of so called Journalism has declined remarkable in the last 20 odd years


Problem is that people cheer and reckon this behaviour is great provided it benefits their favoured side. We’ve seen it in the USA as well when some presenter shouts down the person being interviewed or someone not towing the line. Unfortunately we appear to be going the same way.

On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.


Hadley is a bully. His show provides no community value, and the sooner he disappears (and not to the even deeper cesspit that is Sky after dark) the better for us all.

At least Albanese can now say "not scared of the bully, I went on his show and he just screamed at me. No reasons for me to do that again"
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:36 am

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A101 wrote:

I would have to agree the standard of so called Journalism has declined remarkable in the last 20 odd years


Problem is that people cheer and reckon this behaviour is great provided it benefits their favoured side. We’ve seen it in the USA as well when some presenter shouts down the person being interviewed or someone not towing the line. Unfortunately we appear to be going the same way.

On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.


Hadley is a bully. His show provides no community value, and the sooner he disappears (and not to the even deeper cesspit that is Sky after dark) the better for us all.

At least Albanese can now say "not scared of the bully, I went on his show and he just screamed at me. No reasons for me to do that again"


Hadley is just a taxi driver who got lucky in life, he should have stuck to calling the footy, you get more political insight from blocker Roach than Hadley

his radio show was just a knock of John Laws show
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:08 pm

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On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.


The US doesn't export submarines. The US only builds nuclear submarines (the last non nuclear one built was more than half a century ago). The two are linked of course. And Australia didn't want nuclear submarines anyway.

France might have been willing to sell nuclear subs if that was the requirement back then...
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:13 am

Aesma wrote:
cpd wrote:
On the submarine topic, we shouldn’t have gone down the French path to begin with. We should have pursued the current option in the first place.


The US doesn't export submarines. The US only builds nuclear submarines (the last non nuclear one built was more than half a century ago). The two are linked of course. And Australia didn't want nuclear submarines anyway.


That's not entirely true, there was a concerted effort back in the 50/60's for Australia to not only have nuclear powered submarines but nuclear weapons, before the US relented with Polaris with the UK which shut the door to Australia, It was hoped that there would be a collaboration the UK/AU in regards to supply nuclear propulsion independent of the US for the O boat replacement.

In The Australian-American alliance costs and benefits by Harry Gregor Gelber 1968, there is a passage that says

The RAN's four new hunter-killer submarines are conventionally powered Oberon Class submarines from Britain, It sems likely that there successors will be nuclear-powered (whether they have nuclear tipped missiles is another matter) unless Australia has enriched fuel for the boats from an enrichment facility it will need the US as does the UK..... Matters of procurement and training have obvious implications for the larger feild of science and technology, work on nuclear power is a case in point


that all fell by the wayside when considerations were being made in the 70's for the O boats replacements, but with the continuation of the Anglo-Amrtican agreement Britain could not sell nuclear propulsion tech

Aesma wrote:

France might have been willing to sell nuclear subs if that was the requirement back then...



Unfortunately successive Australian government's treated submarine became a political hot potato as it still is to a degree, but things could have been different. indeed it nearly came to fruition if the under the Anglo-French defence agreement between Cameron-Skarkozy stuck
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:48 am

Looking like a possible interest rate rise next week.

That would be disastrous for the government in the election but inflation is going up.

I’m paying down my mortgage as fast as possible to try and limit my exposure.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:35 am

Gee, the pork is really being barrelled:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 5agc5.html

$11m upgrade to a drag racing track. In a key marginal seat too, one that the LNP needs One Nation support in order to win.

Kudos for such a critically important upgrade that benefits such a wide group of people, yeah? (Sarcasm off)

It’s happening in my area too, but to the tune of a $100m road upgrade that has been needed for ages, but suddenly becomes possible right at the election time.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 4:50 am

Interest rates just rose by 0.35% - under an LNP government watch.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electio ... nxs#p53nxs

Reserve Bank has also suggested more rate rises are on the way. Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.

People with big mortgages now face a lot of pain after this. Property investors might do nicely however.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 8:39 am

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Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.


Interest rates were far too low, fuelling massive house price growth well beyond rational numbers. Plus massive amounts of money handed out and post pandemic surge made inflation inevitable. The Coalition has also left a trap for the ALP with the fuel excise increase due in September.

A cynic could say the Coalition have left enough traps to sink the economy for the ALP, if they take a loss this time around they get 3 years to attack Labor for economic woes that aren’t their fault and aided by an ALP hostile media they romp back in in 2025
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 9:33 am

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cpd wrote:
Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.


Interest rates were far too low, fuelling massive house price growth well beyond rational numbers. Plus massive amounts of money handed out and post pandemic surge made inflation inevitable. The Coalition has also left a trap for the ALP with the fuel excise increase due in September.

A cynic could say the Coalition have left enough traps to sink the economy for the ALP, if they take a loss this time around they get 3 years to attack Labor for economic woes that aren’t their fault and aided by an ALP hostile media they romp back in in 2025


Morrison himself is on video in 2008 saying that government should be held responsible for interest rate rises. Obviously not when he’s in charge of the government.

I’m not saddled with a multi million mortgage fortunately (I have a bit to go), but those that are will be nervous. Back in the old days of Howard/Fraser I think interest rates were up over 20%, but on the flip side house prices were not in the multi millions as they are now.

It’s just madness, near me there is a housing development with all this huge double story shoebox houses jammed on tiny blocks of land and they are in the millions! Every one of them has at least two premium German cars on the driveway as well. That’s a sort of measure of success.

This isn’t a wealthy area either, it’s not poor either - but definitely image conscious. Some of these folk must be at risk.

My next steps are trying to massively increase my solar power generation and put in batteries. I don’t want to be exposed to coal price increases anymore or any other power price increases. Panels are up over 600w now, that makes it far easier. I won’t put any power into the grid, I’ll store it for my own use.

This could be the perfect election for ALP to lose, maybe the LNP has it in a knife edge then blame them for the perilous state things are in at the moment, use Morrison’s own speech against him.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 10:33 am

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Interest rates just rose by 0.35% - under an LNP government watch.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electio ... nxs#p53nxs

Reserve Bank has also suggested more rate rises are on the way. Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.

People with big mortgages now face a lot of pain after this. Property investors might do nicely however.


Not quite correct,

The RBA increased the cash rate by 0.25 basis points or 0.25%, which brings the RBA cash rate to 0.35%

No government has any influence on the RBA they act independently which in turn the banks also can and have acted independently of the RBA as most banks do not borrow from the government.

The RBA dropped the cash rate to historic lows because of the covid pandemic, consumer behavior has more effect on the cash rate than does the GOTD.
just for your own information the RBA cash rate at the last Federal election was 1.50% and subsequently dropped 0.25% after a couple of months after the election in 2019 and that was the first drop in 3 years and then continued to drop once the self inflicted economic recession hit because of covid, so all we are see now is a correction upwards on where the cash rate should be heading
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 10:39 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
cpd wrote:
Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.


Interest rates were far too low, fuelling massive house price growth well beyond rational numbers. Plus massive amounts of money handed out and post pandemic surge made inflation inevitable. The Coalition has also left a trap for the ALP with the fuel excise increase due in September.

A cynic could say the Coalition have left enough traps to sink the economy for the ALP, if they take a loss this time around they get 3 years to attack Labor for economic woes that aren’t their fault and aided by an ALP hostile media they romp back in in 2025


Yes totally agree, its easy to pass judgement in hindsight to a degree was a necessary evil, this was more than just keeping people employed it was also about keeping the banks solvent which would have been the equivalent to the US subprime mortgage crisis
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 11:22 am

cpd wrote:

Morrison himself is on video in 2008 saying that government should be held responsible for interest rate rises. Obviously not when he’s in charge of the government.

Got the link?

cpd wrote:
Back in the old days of Howard/Fraser I think interest rates were up over 20%, but on the flip side house prices were not in the multi millions as they are now.


Nope that honor goes to Hawke/Keating when it reached 17.5%; (remember that's the official cash rate, actual bank rates where higher over 18%)
followed by Australia greatest treasure(self proclaimed) “This is a recession that Australia had to have.”
Actual; 0.35% Previous;0.10% Highest; 17.50% Lowest;0.10% Dates; 1990 - 2022 Unit; percent Frequency; Daily

In Australia, interest rates decisions are taken by the Reserve Bank of Australia's Board. The official interest rate is the cash rate. The cash rate is the rate charged on overnight loans between financial intermediaries, is determined in the money market as a result of the interaction of demand for and supply of overnight funds.


https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/ ... cbb40b5b30

cpd wrote:
It’s just madness, near me there is a housing development with all this huge double story shoebox houses jammed on tiny blocks of land and they are in the millions! Every one of them has at least two premium German cars on the driveway as well. That’s a sort of measure of success.


Vanity and keeping up with the Jones
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 11:30 am

A small overview on how the RBA works

Can a government influence your home loan interest rate?

https://www.ratecity.com.au/home-loans/ ... 32762faa90
Last edited by A101 on Tue May 03, 2022 11:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Tue May 03, 2022 11:30 am

A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:
Interest rates just rose by 0.35% - under an LNP government watch.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electio ... nxs#p53nxs

Reserve Bank has also suggested more rate rises are on the way. Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.

People with big mortgages now face a lot of pain after this. Property investors might do nicely however.


Not quite correct,

The RBA increased the cash rate by 0.25 basis points or 0.25%, which brings the RBA cash rate to 0.35%

No government has any influence on the RBA they act independently which in turn the banks also can and have acted independently of the RBA as most banks do not borrow from the government.

The RBA dropped the cash rate to historic lows because of the covid pandemic, consumer behavior has more effect on the cash rate than does the GOTD.
just for your own information the RBA cash rate at the last Federal election was 1.50% and subsequently dropped 0.25% after a couple of months after the election in 2019 and that was the first drop in 3 years and then continued to drop once the self inflicted economic recession hit because of covid, so all we are see now is a correction upwards on where the cash rate should be heading



Typo on my part - phone here.

Governments might not have any control here, but they have politicised this and unfortunately our current PM did exactly that many years ago with a very grand statement and now he shall eat humble pie this time around. The PMs friends at News Limited helpfully provided his old speech. I wonder if they are going to desert him.

Scott Morrison, 2008:

You could argue that they were somewhat successful in prosecuting an argument that if interest rates were to rise, then the government should be accountable for those things, and as a result the government should not be elected,’’

“Well, if it’s good for them, it’s good for us. The government has created the expectation out there in the Australian community that it can control the revolution of the planets, that it can go out there and it can control the universe. It can control petrol prices. It can control grocery prices.

“So it is a fair thing - a very fair thing - for the people of Australia to hold this government to account for that pledge.”


https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy ... 138508fd3b

Politics is way too partisan now.

And to correct you, interest rates when Howard was treasurer in the Fraser government 1982 were at 21%:

https://amp.smh.com.au/opinion/the-inco ... dr9mx.html

It also speaks to the politicisation of this even back in 2007 by Howard himself.
 
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Re: Australian Federal Election 2022

Tue May 03, 2022 11:50 am

cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:
Interest rates just rose by 0.35% - under an LNP government watch.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/electio ... nxs#p53nxs

Reserve Bank has also suggested more rate rises are on the way. Thanks LNP, doesn’t make my finances easier. And they effectively left a bomb for whoever is the next government. And the LNP if they are in opposition will blame the new government for these higher rates. Grrr.

People with big mortgages now face a lot of pain after this. Property investors might do nicely however.


Not quite correct,

The RBA increased the cash rate by 0.25 basis points or 0.25%, which brings the RBA cash rate to 0.35%

No government has any influence on the RBA they act independently which in turn the banks also can and have acted independently of the RBA as most banks do not borrow from the government.

The RBA dropped the cash rate to historic lows because of the covid pandemic, consumer behavior has more effect on the cash rate than does the GOTD.
just for your own information the RBA cash rate at the last Federal election was 1.50% and subsequently dropped 0.25% after a couple of months after the election in 2019 and that was the first drop in 3 years and then continued to drop once the self inflicted economic recession hit because of covid, so all we are see now is a correction upwards on where the cash rate should be heading



Typo on my part - phone here.

Governments might not have any control here, but they have politicised this and unfortunately our current PM did exactly that many years ago with a very grand statement and now he shall eat humble pie this time around.

Scott Morrison, 2008:

You could argue that they were somewhat successful in prosecuting an argument that if interest rates were to rise, then the government should be accountable for those things, and as a result the government should not be elected,’’

“Well, if it’s good for them, it’s good for us. The government has created the expectation out there in the Australian community that it can control the revolution of the planets, that it can go out there and it can control the universe. It can control petrol prices. It can control grocery prices.

“So it is a fair thing - a very fair thing - for the people of Australia to hold this government to account for that pledge.”


https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy ... 138508fd3b

Politics is way too partisan now.


Yeah it was a pretty dumb thing to say, but both sides say dumb things as well which could backfire on them, (only going to take 1 jorno to ask how is labour going to reduce them again( then watch them run for the hills) its just like wages the ALP are banging on about, minimum award rates are reviewed yearly by the the Fair Work Commission with both industry and government making submissions to the Annual Wage Review 99% would not even know that I reckon

Politics on both sides prays on the gullibility of the electorate


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Apologies CPD that trading economics link only used historical data from 1990 to present, I didn't pick that up until i looked again

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