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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:29 pm

Buying Twitter is an idiotic move if Elon doesn't re-name it to...

MySpaceX.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:48 pm

I'm giving it a wait and see approach but in terms of initial impressions...

I don't think it will become some dystopian, anything goes-free speech, survival-of-the-fittest landscape as some (on the left) seem concerned about.

I also don't think it will become some virtuous beacon of free speech where users are finally free to say whatever they want and are released from the power of the supposedly woke, overly PC, moderators (as some on the right seem to think it will become).

Why? Because neither would be good for business and maintaining the value of the $40B investment he has made. Sure, there will be changes to features, rules for moderation, approaches to bots/authentication etc. but they will be tempered against the need to make money. He will need to maintain and grow the user base, not ostracize users by going too far in either direction.

If the left is looking for a safe space that overly moderates, I am sure there are message boards that police pronoun usage. Similarly, if the right is looking for a place where you can call someone a f*ggot without repercussions, in the name for free speech, there is 4chan.

Time will tell
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:29 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
After Elon takes over, I predict some Twitter "heads are gonna roll..."

;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJT-K8p8ufI


Conservative glee over that doesn't really make sense since their favorite Twitter target already left last year. And Jack Dorsey actually now says Musk is a key to the platform's survival. For all the flack Jack caught over the decisions to silence Trump's personal feed, he has never been a mainstreamer and openly laments that Twitter had to use the ad model and Wall Street money to scale up. Doesn't sound very establishment to me.


I'm okay with that not really making sense to you.

There are those on the Right that want other 'banned' Twitter users to be allowed back on the Platform besides DJT.

Like, the Babylon Bee for example.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:45 pm

It pretty much comes down to whether false facts, that potentially do harm to society, are going to have a platform on Twitter. Those were the only accounts that were ever suspended or banned, and the pattern had to be pretty egregious for that to happen.

Musk's view appears to be reader beware, do your own vetting, believe at your own peril. Which means that the percentage that do believe, will have the same platform and voice as those who are putting forward truthful facts.

Based on past experience, that doesn't work out so well for society (election fraud, anti-vaccination). So it will be interesting to see how Musk reconciles those two things, since he will have sole control.

In the print era, we had editorial boards to protect the integrity and liability of the platform. Similarly in science we have expert peer review. In the Internet era, the platforms claim that is the responsibility of the user, but most users have no editorial capability or responsibility. Twitter tried to devise some semblance of that, but now it will be going away again.

There is no perfect solution, so my guess is the pattern of increasing misinformation will grow again until there are calls to correct it again. And the cycle will repeat
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:42 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
It pretty much comes down to whether false facts, that potentially do harm to society, are going to have a platform on Twitter. Those were the only accounts that were ever suspended or banned, and the pattern had to be pretty egregious for that to happen.

Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.

Facebook blocked users from posting theories that covid could have leaked from a lab, only to reverse course and say it could be possible.

Is purposely blocking news bc you believe it to be false (when it could be true) good for society?

The thing is, a lot of what we believe to be factual today turns out to be false later.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:46 pm

Elon just recently posted

By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.

I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.

If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.

Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/151 ... CF2pQqAAAA

Why would anyone be against this? simple. They want to control all information and opinion, so that only a group of powerful people are able to carry the narratives.

Twitter should just remove or ban content that is against the law.

That's the standard by which Twitter/FB and others should stick with. Not some made up as we go along and to who I don't like kind of standards. Hopefully this will be the future.

And if anyone doesn't like it, go build your own twitter.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:07 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Elon just recently posted

By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.

I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.

If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.

Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/151 ... CF2pQqAAAA

Why would anyone be against this? simple. They want to control all information and opinion, so that only a group of powerful people are able to carry the narratives.

Twitter should just remove or ban content that is against the law.

That's the standard by which Twitter/FB and others should stick with. Not some made up as we go along and to who I don't like kind of standards. Hopefully this will be the future.

And if anyone doesn't like it, go build your own twitter.


Just remember that what Musk says and does are often two different things.

Here is an article on Musk's "Freedom for me, but not for thee" antics.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/25/elon-mu ... aging.html


Assuming he truly believes that, then Musk’s free speech absolutism is only aspirational.

But by controlling the social network, Musk can protect his ability to keep using Twitter to promote his companies, investments and himself, as he wants to be seen.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:38 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Twitter should just remove or ban content that is against the law.

That's the standard by which Twitter/FB and others should stick with. Not some made up as we go along and to who I don't like kind of standards. Hopefully this will be the future.

And if anyone doesn't like it, go build your own twitter.


"It isn't illegal to say or believe this" is about the lowest possible bar for discourse. Internet platforms that do nothing more than delete the things that are outright illegal tend to look a lot like PornHub, 4chan, and Stormfront. And remember that we aren't just looking at United States law for what's legal - these are global companies. In Myanmar, the military junta didn't seem to mind people organizing pogroms via Facebook.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:47 am

Twitter's already censoring the picture of Musk and Ghislaine Maxwell together, so no big surprise there.

Hopefully this whole venture turns out similarly to Musk like Tumblr turned out for Yahoo.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:45 am

SoCalPilot wrote:
Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.

Facebook blocked users from posting theories that covid could have leaked from a lab, only to reverse course and say it could be possible.

Is purposely blocking news bc you believe it to be false (when it could be true) good for society?

The thing is, a lot of what we believe to be factual today turns out to be false later.


This post is actually a good example of what I meant.

In truth, some gender identity posts were banned under the hate speech rules. The issue was not the person's birth sex, but rather referencing that in a derogatory way.

In truth, the Hunter Biden laptop story was banned as an election topic, because it did not (and still does not) involve Joe Biden. In the context of the election, it was misinformation, similar to the Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal, which came to nothing in the end, but impacted the 2016 election. The investigation of Hunter continues and we don't have a resolution of that yet. The focus is on his financial activities, and not anything related to the 2020 election.

In truth, the COVID lab leak theory began as a claim that COVID was a man-made virus, created in the Wuhan lab. The scientific consensus was (and remains) that it originated in the wild, based on genetic markers. Thus the topic was banned as misinformation, along with a host of other COVID and vaccine conspiracy theories. Later the theory was modified to a version where the virus was not made in the lab, but may have escaped from the lab. That was investigated by the WHO and by US intelligence services, with inconclusive results. We can neither prove nor disprove a relationship to the lab. So that discussion is not banned.

These were all attempts at applying editorial standards to Twitter, as I mentioned. They evolve with time and with further knowledge. And as I said, all such methods are by definition imperfect. You selected examples that favor your case of evolving knowledge making the ban less justified. There are others, such as election fraud, where the ban became increasingly justified with time and knowledge.

For that reason, I think the discussion should be on how the identification of misinformation occurs, and how it is administered on social media. That needs to be an open, transparent, and accountable process. I think we are capable of that as a society. I don't think the solution is for misinformation to be presented alongside information, with equal weight and the user left to decide. That's why editorial standards evolved in the first place, for other media.

The article I posted describes how misinformation (in the form of conspiracy theories) can be addictive for some people. With COVID, that meant death for some. For election fraud, that meant violence and arrests for some. Those things constitute real & significant damage. If we as a society can prevent those outcomes, by promoting truthful information, and demoting false information, then in my view we should, at least to the best of our imperfect ability to do so.
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:52 am

SoCalPilot wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
It pretty much comes down to whether false facts, that potentially do harm to society, are going to have a platform on Twitter. Those were the only accounts that were ever suspended or banned, and the pattern had to be pretty egregious for that to happen.

Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.

Facebook blocked users from posting theories that covid could have leaked from a lab, only to reverse course and say it could be possible.

Is purposely blocking news bc you believe it to be false (when it could be true) good for society?

The thing is, a lot of what we believe to be factual today turns out to be false later.


Yes and no depending on what words are being correctly/incorrectly used. 'Facts', at least in the scientific and journalistic sense, are bits of information that have been vetted at several levels and are independently verifiable. Anything else is a claim. All manner of claims can seem true and turn out to be false later. To be accurate though, you cannot conflate the two.

The Biden laptop story could not be verified internally at NYP and elsewhere, and that's why it was deemed to be unreliable by platform fact checkers at that specific time. As outlined above, sometimes claims turn out to be partially or completely true, and at that time the story should then be posted without issue, for the sake of consistency. Conflating timelines for that story is also not an accurate representation of what happened.

Regarding the lab leaks, those are still claims. Unverified claims that carry large geopolitical significance are probably unwise to let stand, but that's a judgment call every platform has to make. Twitter puts itself in a bind because they police individual users' statements but their internal policy allows statements from governments to stand arguing they are not individuals and Twitter further believes where governments stand on things should be visible to all no matter how controversial. There are of course varying views on that stance.

I suppose your question on what's good for society is only relevant to the reality many people source their news from social media platforms. If platforms simply discontinued relying on news views to generate ad revenue, the burden from your question would simply shift elsewhere.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:56 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
That's the standard by which Twitter/FB and others should stick with. Not some made up as we go along and to who I don't like kind of standards. Hopefully this will be the future.


It is up to the user base (and in part BOD priorities at the top level) to determine what standards are appropriate for a platform. If users don't like the environment, they will go elsewhere. As non-stockholders or employees, it is really none of our business whether internal policies are 'made up as they go along' or highly consistent to the spirit of a given law - as private entities that is up to them and their brand identity, no?

The odd thing about the last few years is that conservatives have completely abandoned notions of private property rights to IP and other types of controls where social platforms are concerned. That only tells me those values are much more malleable than one would think, depending on how societal winds are blowing.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:11 am

SoCalPilot wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
It pretty much comes down to whether false facts, that potentially do harm to society, are going to have a platform on Twitter. Those were the only accounts that were ever suspended or banned, and the pattern had to be pretty egregious for that to happen.

Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.



Here's some discussion of who gets warnings and bans from someone who may be out of a job in the near future, Vijaya Gadde of Twitter... Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool.

https://youtu.be/EbTXqrS9l5E

This 20 minute clip only got 45,000 Comments, so probably nothing much to see here... :)
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:51 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Here's some discussion of who gets warnings and bans from someone who may be out of a job in the near future, Vijaya Gadde of Twitter... Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1258 w/Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde, and Tim Pool.

https://youtu.be/EbTXqrS9l5E

This 20 minute clip only got 45,000 Comments, so probably nothing much to see here... :)


Thanks for that clip. It's notable that discussion was not to do with misinformation, which was my main point. In the context of free speech, people can start with the same fact set and then have different viewpoints, with no misinformation involved.

The context of that discussion was the balance between viewpoints, when one of the viewpoints is applied to an individual in a way that is potentially harmful to them. The rules forbid that and warnings are given. So the issue in that case is not the viewpoint itself, but the interaction between individuals.

Certainly JK Rowling has been expressive about her similar viewpoint on the issue, but it did not result in any Twitter action, because she did not harass or confront any other user.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:17 pm

The right has been in control of media an content for the past few decades. We all keep hearing "I listen to both sides" just to make them sound like they actually do watch CNN or MSNBC but their opinions are all based on Fox and OANN and AM radio and NYPost and such. Then, they turn around and whine about "liberal media" and "woke mob" and so forth. We don't need yet another far right wing outlet. Musk is a terrible employer

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-l ... ent-2022-3
https://www.space.com/spacex-sexual-har ... s-lawsuits

Besides, if he has enough money to shoot rockets into space and buy internet companies, he has enough money to house people.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:01 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
SoCalPilot wrote:
Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.

Facebook blocked users from posting theories that covid could have leaked from a lab, only to reverse course and say it could be possible.

Is purposely blocking news bc you believe it to be false (when it could be true) good for society?

The thing is, a lot of what we believe to be factual today turns out to be false later.


This post is actually a good example of what I meant.

In truth, some gender identity posts were banned under the hate speech rules. The issue was not the person's birth sex, but rather referencing that in a derogatory way.

In truth, the Hunter Biden laptop story was banned as an election topic, because it did not (and still does not) involve Joe Biden. In the context of the election, it was misinformation, similar to the Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal, which came to nothing in the end, but impacted the 2016 election. The investigation of Hunter continues and we don't have a resolution of that yet. The focus is on his financial activities, and not anything related to the 2020 election.

In truth, the COVID lab leak theory began as a claim that COVID was a man-made virus, created in the Wuhan lab. The scientific consensus was (and remains) that it originated in the wild, based on genetic markers. Thus the topic was banned as misinformation, along with a host of other COVID and vaccine conspiracy theories. Later the theory was modified to a version where the virus was not made in the lab, but may have escaped from the lab. That was investigated by the WHO and by US intelligence services, with inconclusive results. We can neither prove nor disprove a relationship to the lab. So that discussion is not banned.

These were all attempts at applying editorial standards to Twitter, as I mentioned. They evolve with time and with further knowledge. And as I said, all such methods are by definition imperfect. You selected examples that favor your case of evolving knowledge making the ban less justified. There are others, such as election fraud, where the ban became increasingly justified with time and knowledge.

For that reason, I think the discussion should be on how the identification of misinformation occurs, and how it is administered on social media. That needs to be an open, transparent, and accountable process. I think we are capable of that as a society. I don't think the solution is for misinformation to be presented alongside information, with equal weight and the user left to decide. That's why editorial standards evolved in the first place, for other media.

The article I posted describes how misinformation (in the form of conspiracy theories) can be addictive for some people. With COVID, that meant death for some. For election fraud, that meant violence and arrests for some. Those things constitute real & significant damage. If we as a society can prevent those outcomes, by promoting truthful information, and demoting false information, then in my view we should, at least to the best of our imperfect ability to do so.


I find bad words much, much less offensive than a robot telling a human being what they can and cannot say.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:07 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
SoCalPilot wrote:
Is calling someone by the sex they were at birth a false fact? Should that be banned? If so, on what grounds, and where do you stop?

Twitter blocked the Hunter Biden laptop story and suspended accounts for it...only for it to be true.

Facebook blocked users from posting theories that covid could have leaked from a lab, only to reverse course and say it could be possible.

Is purposely blocking news bc you believe it to be false (when it could be true) good for society?

The thing is, a lot of what we believe to be factual today turns out to be false later.


This post is actually a good example of what I meant.

In truth, some gender identity posts were banned under the hate speech rules. The issue was not the person's birth sex, but rather referencing that in a derogatory way.

In truth, the Hunter Biden laptop story was banned as an election topic, because it did not (and still does not) involve Joe Biden. In the context of the election, it was misinformation, similar to the Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal, which came to nothing in the end, but impacted the 2016 election. The investigation of Hunter continues and we don't have a resolution of that yet. The focus is on his financial activities, and not anything related to the 2020 election.

In truth, the COVID lab leak theory began as a claim that COVID was a man-made virus, created in the Wuhan lab. The scientific consensus was (and remains) that it originated in the wild, based on genetic markers. Thus the topic was banned as misinformation, along with a host of other COVID and vaccine conspiracy theories. Later the theory was modified to a version where the virus was not made in the lab, but may have escaped from the lab. That was investigated by the WHO and by US intelligence services, with inconclusive results. We can neither prove nor disprove a relationship to the lab. So that discussion is not banned.

These were all attempts at applying editorial standards to Twitter, as I mentioned. They evolve with time and with further knowledge. And as I said, all such methods are by definition imperfect. You selected examples that favor your case of evolving knowledge making the ban less justified. There are others, such as election fraud, where the ban became increasingly justified with time and knowledge.

For that reason, I think the discussion should be on how the identification of misinformation occurs, and how it is administered on social media. That needs to be an open, transparent, and accountable process. I think we are capable of that as a society. I don't think the solution is for misinformation to be presented alongside information, with equal weight and the user left to decide. That's why editorial standards evolved in the first place, for other media.

The article I posted describes how misinformation (in the form of conspiracy theories) can be addictive for some people. With COVID, that meant death for some. For election fraud, that meant violence and arrests for some. Those things constitute real & significant damage. If we as a society can prevent those outcomes, by promoting truthful information, and demoting false information, then in my view we should, at least to the best of our imperfect ability to do so.


If it is not permissible to SAY particular theories about the coronavirus, it actually lends creedence to the conspiracy theories, because it becomes true that certain avenues are being actively censored. What a sad substantiation of what is most likely an incorrect theory.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:36 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Elon just recently posted

By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.

I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.

If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.

Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/151 ... CF2pQqAAAA

Why would anyone be against this? simple. They want to control all information and opinion, so that only a group of powerful people are able to carry the narratives.

Twitter should just remove or ban content that is against the law.

That's the standard by which Twitter/FB and others should stick with. Not some made up as we go along and to who I don't like kind of standards. Hopefully this will be the future.

And if anyone doesn't like it, go build your own twitter.


Will twitter now allow nudity in France, then ?
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:58 pm

seb146 wrote:
The right has been in control of media an content for the past few decades. We all keep hearing "I listen to both sides" just to make them sound like they actually do watch CNN or MSNBC but their opinions are all based on Fox and OANN and AM radio and NYPost and such. Then, they turn around and whine about "liberal media" and "woke mob" and so forth. We don't need yet another far right wing outlet.


Of course we need a Mainstream Media outlet for the MAGA people. There are millions of them. Yet most mainstream TV News and TV Talk and TV entertainment is slanted toward the Left by content, and how stories are framed, and what is not covered...
So yes, there's FOX News.... a some streaming channels... But, by far, the "Liberal" message is dispensed day and night, 24/7 on almost every other outlet....

So, yes, MAGA Americans deserve a mainstream place to discuss ideas, away from the (virutal) echo chambers that dominate the rest of what's seen on TV...
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:13 pm

Conservatives: Twitter is liberal! Shadowbanning and discriminating!
Liberals: So? Make your own!
Musk: Ok.
Liberals: :hissyfit: :hissyfit:
Conservatives: :bouncy: :coffee: :hyper:

All in all this is a very interesting thing and I'm watching it closely.
Hopefully a real (law based) system is implemented for content removal and people will have to go back and learn to talk to others (!!) instead of throwing tantrums if opinion doesn't match.
It's ridiculous how echo chambered some people became.
Different opinion these days = fascist, racist, enter your own warm description of another human being here.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:51 pm

I'm between worried and clueless about the whole project. Twitter has always struggled to turn in a profit. The interest payments Musk has to dole out are higher than Twitter's revenue.

And a "free speech" platform? Welp. Wake me up when Twitter allows:

- nudity
- pornography
- speech supportive of adult-child relationships, err, "pedophilia"
- calls for the destruction of the United States
- Hamas and Al Qaida propaganda
- and much more

Unfettered free speech means yanking out all the stops. With no regard for advertising revenue (which will inevitably evaporate). And if you ask people for an admission fee, then it's literally no free speech anymore. Even worse if you have to pay extra to reach more people. Then it's just a speech for the rich scheme. (Citizens United v. FEC, anyone?)

DIRECTFLT wrote:
So yes, there's FOX News.... a some streaming channels... But, by far, the "Liberal" message is dispensed day and night, 24/7 on almost every other outlet....


Maybe it's because truth has a liberal bias. :box:

When Republicans stop spouting nonsense (e.g. the whole CRT hysteria) I can assure you that non-FOX media will take them much more seriously, and give their views more air time. Being a conservative today is just imagining some crazy horrors in your own mind, and hyperventilating about them. "They are gonna come for your guns!!!1!" is just one of these things.

Aesma wrote:
Will twitter now allow nudity in France, then ?


Hopefully. I once posted a photo of a nude woman on Facebook and captioned it "This is a political protest against Facebook's censorship", yet I got banned for a week. :cry2:
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:10 pm

If the Twitter deal falls through, it will cost the defaulter $1 Billion.... ! ! !

Twitter Lawyer Reportedly CRIED Discussing Elon Musk Taking Over Twitter

Tim Pool Podcast 4/26/22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0dnqo2sz8M
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:10 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
..

So, yes, MAGA Americans deserve a mainstream place to discuss ideas, away from the (virutal) echo chambers that dominate the rest of what's seen on TV...


MAGA Americans exist because there already is an echo chamber for them all over social and mainstream media.
 
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Re: Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $43 billion

Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:02 pm

flyingturtle wrote:
I'm between worried and clueless about the whole project. Twitter has always struggled to turn in a profit. The interest payments Musk has to dole out are higher than Twitter's revenue.

And a "free speech" platform? Welp. Wake me up when Twitter allows:

- nudity
- pornography
- speech supportive of adult-child relationships, err, "pedophilia"
- calls for the destruction of the United States
- Hamas and Al Qaida propaganda
- and much more

Unfettered free speech means yanking out all the stops. With no regard for advertising revenue (which will inevitably evaporate). And if you ask people for an admission fee, then it's literally no free speech anymore. Even worse if you have to pay extra to reach more people. Then it's just a speech for the rich scheme. (Citizens United v. FEC, anyone?)


Don't understand. Many on the left already don't care about any of that. As a matter of fact many like all of that.

And as for advertising revenue, that's for the owner of Twitter to be concerned. As for admission fee. Don't see many people claiming the same when we have to pay a monthly fee to subscribe to new york times or Washington post or a monthly cable payment to watch MSNBC or CNN. For many in the world a subscription to those services are only affordable for a very small amount of people of earth's population. Very privileged indeed.

What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
 
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If it is not permissible to SAY particular theories about the coronavirus, it actually lends credence to the conspiracy theories, because it becomes true that certain avenues are being actively censored. What a sad substantiation of what is most likely an incorrect theory.


The theories themselves are not misinformation. They only become so when they are presented as indisputable fact. The accounts that did that were restricted, because of the potential for harm to others through disseminating false information.

I posted an article about how some people are vulnerable to misinformation and conspiracy theories, and the damage that can be done to them through the promotion of falsehood. That fact is actually the reason why falsehoods are promoted. That is the target audience, just as addicts are the target audience for drug dealers.

If we were all capable of identifying the falsehood, there would be no point in promoting them, because no one would listen. That is why editorial standards developed for other media. When Twitter became a source of news and information, it became a form of media like any other.

A major element of the debate over Twitter, is whether it's only social, only media, or a combination of both. If it's only social, there is not a need for editorial standards. If it's media that presents information, then there is that need. Musk presents the case that it's only social, but he himself uses it to promote his businesses. It's the main source of information about SpaceX vehicles. So he's not consistent in his views, they vary according to his needs, which is a source of worry for him as the sole owner.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:28 pm

I saw an article that brought up a good point. Will Elon go through with this? I can't imagine China will be very happy about an open platform sponsored by Musk that could be accessible from within China using Starlink. I wonder if they will shut down Tesla in China?

On the flip side there is the below article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ch/629694/

Right-wing alternatives to Twitter have failed to take off because conservatives want to make liberals miserable, not build a community in which there are no libs left to own. If conservatives successfully drive their targets off Twitter, or if the network becomes an unusable cesspool, it will become similarly worthless, both financially and politically. Social media platforms’ attempts to deal with harassment and disinformation have less to do with liberal political influence than making their platforms useful to advertisers.
 
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What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


I already said that in a previous post, but you were all worried about consistency and type of content moderation, all the same. That's the hypocrisy also being discussed.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:52 pm

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Of course we need a Mainstream Media outlet for the MAGA people. There are millions of them. Yet most mainstream TV News and TV Talk and TV entertainment is slanted toward the Left by content, and how stories are framed, and what is not covered...
So yes, there's FOX News.... a some streaming channels... But, by far, the "Liberal" message is dispensed day and night, 24/7 on almost every other outlet....


This is less a 'liberal' slant and more a reflection of different urban/rural values. Major TV stations and media outlets are located in large cities, and staffed by people who have education beyond high school. That in of itself promotes a particular worldview. Fox itself is also based in NYC and that's why their staffers had different views from on-air personalities on things like COVID response.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:45 pm

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The right has been in control of media an content for the past few decades.


This is patently false. The media is dominated by left leaning networks like NBC and CNN. Look at the WH press corps. What % of they are right wing?
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:41 am

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


I already said that in a previous post, but you were all worried about consistency and type of content moderation, all the same. That's the hypocrisy also being discussed.

I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

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Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:42 am

Tugger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


I already said that in a previous post, but you were all worried about consistency and type of content moderation, all the same. That's the hypocrisy also being discussed.

I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

Tugg



Here is the article I was looking for earlier on all this.

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/e ... 022-04-27/

One thing makes it easier for Musk to walk away before any of this becomes a problem: The market partly anticipates it already. Twitter’s stock is currently trading 11% below his offer price – a fairly wide spread for a deal with little antitrust pushback. Musk’s tweets criticizing some company actions – potentially flouting the merger agreement - already suggest he might be starting to lose interest
 
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Tugger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


I already said that in a previous post, but you were all worried about consistency and type of content moderation, all the same. That's the hypocrisy also being discussed.

I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

Tugg


Also because Elon is being Elon, the deal may be problematic since he is already making disparaging public comments about current Twitter employees - and this seems to be against the terms of the deal according to some comments I have come across.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:22 am

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seb146 wrote:
The right has been in control of media an content for the past few decades.

This is patently false. The media is dominated by left leaning networks like NBC and CNN. Look at the WH press corps. What % of they are right wing?


Your statement is "patently false". Fox News - despite its admission that it is really an entertainment network, not a reliable news source - remains the dominant network in America. Unfortunately, too many people actually believe their blather:

"TV is America's most popular medium. ABC, CBS and NBC led the pack for decades until the mass take-up of cable and satellite and the arrival of the Fox network. Fox News Channel is the dominant US cable news network."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-16757497
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:10 pm

alfa164 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The right has been in control of media an content for the past few decades.

This is patently false. The media is dominated by left leaning networks like NBC and CNN. Look at the WH press corps. What % of they are right wing?


Your statement is "patently false". Fox News - despite its admission that it is really an entertainment network, not a reliable news source - remains the dominant network in America. Unfortunately, too many people actually believe their blather:

"TV is America's most popular medium. ABC, CBS and NBC led the pack for decades until the mass take-up of cable and satellite and the arrival of the Fox network. Fox News Channel is the dominant US cable news network."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-16757497

Good sir, you will not win this argument, because it isn't based on rationality. You will not convince a Fox viewer that their platform that's been around for almost thirty years, or that people like Limbaugh who were on their air for almost 40 years aren't media, or aren't mainstream. If you fall for the marketing, you won't be convinced otherwise.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:10 pm

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flyingturtle wrote:
I'm between worried and clueless about the whole project. Twitter has always struggled to turn in a profit. The interest payments Musk has to dole out are higher than Twitter's revenue.

And a "free speech" platform? Welp. Wake me up when Twitter allows:

- nudity
- pornography
- speech supportive of adult-child relationships, err, "pedophilia"
- calls for the destruction of the United States
- Hamas and Al Qaida propaganda
- and much more

Unfettered free speech means yanking out all the stops. With no regard for advertising revenue (which will inevitably evaporate). And if you ask people for an admission fee, then it's literally no free speech anymore. Even worse if you have to pay extra to reach more people. Then it's just a speech for the rich scheme. (Citizens United v. FEC, anyone?)


Don't understand. Many on the left already don't care about any of that. As a matter of fact many like all of that.

And as for advertising revenue, that's for the owner of Twitter to be concerned. As for admission fee. Don't see many people claiming the same when we have to pay a monthly fee to subscribe to new york times or Washington post or a monthly cable payment to watch MSNBC or CNN. For many in the world a subscription to those services are only affordable for a very small amount of people of earth's population. Very privileged indeed.

What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


Did you seriously just lump people on the left with being pedophiles? Makes sense, seeing those on the right, including yourself, have an affinity for beastiality.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:30 pm

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Don't understand. Many on the left already don't care about any of that. As a matter of fact many like all of that.

And as for advertising revenue, that's for the owner of Twitter to be concerned. As for admission fee. Don't see many people claiming the same when we have to pay a monthly fee to subscribe to new york times or Washington post or a monthly cable payment to watch MSNBC or CNN. For many in the world a subscription to those services are only affordable for a very small amount of people of earth's population. Very privileged indeed.

What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


Did you seriously just lump people on the left with being pedophiles? Makes sense, seeing those on the right, including yourself, have an affinity for beastiality.

He also doesn't understand that Twitter is in fact NOT "fully private".

We will have to wait and see if it does become so. Quite honestly I think this purchase may well fall through but I won't jump the gun and say one way or the other. Whatever happens I am fine with.

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Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:32 pm

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Clutch101 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Don't understand. Many on the left already don't care about any of that. As a matter of fact many like all of that.

And as for advertising revenue, that's for the owner of Twitter to be concerned. As for admission fee. Don't see many people claiming the same when we have to pay a monthly fee to subscribe to new york times or Washington post or a monthly cable payment to watch MSNBC or CNN. For many in the world a subscription to those services are only affordable for a very small amount of people of earth's population. Very privileged indeed.

What ever the outcome of this endeavor, only one person is going to be responsible and should be worried and that's Elon Musk. The company is fully private, no one else has absolutely nothing to be concerned about.


Did you seriously just lump people on the left with being pedophiles? Makes sense, seeing those on the right, including yourself, have an affinity for beastiality.

He also doesn't understand that Twitter is in fact NOT "fully private".

We will have to wait and see if it does become so. Quite honestly I think this purchase may well fall through but I won't jump the gun and say one way or the other. Whatever happens I am fine with.

Tugg

Just from Elon's tweets alone it seems clear he's the proverbial dog that caught the bus--if the deal doesn't fall through. I'm pretty confident everyone including Elon--left right and center--will be disappointed in the outcome. :rotfl:
 
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Fox is broadcast at all the American military bases around the country. Fox is on in lobbies of hotels and even some fast food places around the country. Fox is everywhere. MSNBC? CNN? We can't have those on because they are "liberal" propaganda that indoctrinate people to become woke.

I think I got all the right wing talking points in there.

Turn on AM radio anywhere in the country. Who is on? Sports, God (the white, English speaking one), and right wing talk. But, the right continues to play victim saying they have no voice in the media.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:01 pm

seb146 wrote:
Fox is broadcast at all the American military bases around the country. Fox is on in lobbies of hotels and even some fast food places around the country. Fox is everywhere. MSNBC? CNN? We can't have those on because they are "liberal" propaganda that indoctrinate people to become woke.

I think I got all the right wing talking points in there.

Turn on AM radio anywhere in the country. Who is on? Sports, God (the white, English speaking one), and right wing talk. But, the right continues to play victim saying they have no voice in the media.


That’s just the thing. Their whole thing is making folks on the left upset. So, while your facts are undeniable, the right only sees it as media if democrats are there to hear their dumb stuff.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:03 pm

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Tugger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

I already said that in a previous post, but you were all worried about consistency and type of content moderation, all the same. That's the hypocrisy also being discussed.

I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

Tugg


Also because Elon is being Elon, the deal may be problematic since he is already making disparaging public comments about current Twitter employees - and this seems to be against the terms of the deal according to some comments I have come across.


I highly doubt this deal will fail, just because a few snowflakes get hurt feelings. This is more than 44 Billion dollars. I am pretty sure it will take a bit more than that for it to fall through.
 
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I highly doubt this deal will fail, just because a few snowflakes get hurt feelings. This is more than 44 Billion dollars. I am pretty sure it will take a bit more than that for it to fall through.

Where on earth are you getting the idea that anyone is suggesting this would fall through because of "hurt feelings"? I think you are trying to create a narrative in your mind that is just incorrect.

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

Tugg


Also because Elon is being Elon, the deal may be problematic since he is already making disparaging public comments about current Twitter employees - and this seems to be against the terms of the deal according to some comments I have come across.


I highly doubt this deal will fail, just because a few snowflakes get hurt feelings. This is more than 44 Billion dollars. I am pretty sure it will take a bit more than that for it to fall through.


Fill me in here, if you may. I figured business deals addressed financial issues etc. Are you saying these deals consider feelings?
 
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Apparently there's some kind of non-disparagement clause in the deal. And well, Elon isn't very good at not disparaging things. I don't know, like everything related to social media it's all incredibly dumb.
 
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Your statement is "patently false". Fox News - despite its admission that it is really an entertainment network, not a reliable news source - remains the dominant network in America. Unfortunately, too many people actually believe their blather:



How are they dominant? They make up a small % of the mainstream media. Again find me a link to the percentage of left leaning media as compared to the total media. I bet they make up 70% or more. Just because most sane people don't watch them doesn't change that they are still the dominant % of the media pushing garbage 24/7.
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:54 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
I would like to point something that many people have missed: Twitter has not yet been sold/purchased by Mr. Musk (and just as important, his investing partners). It is still a public company that has agreed to the sale and is doing due diligence negotiating the sale to completion.

Mr. Musk may very well not complete the sale, for reasons of his own (the $!B penalty not an issue when there are billions more at stake. AKA Tesla and it's stock value).

And it will not be Twitter that cancels the sale. As I noted above this is perfect for them, they have been trying for years to get out of the "monetize" trap.

Tugg


Also because Elon is being Elon, the deal may be problematic since he is already making disparaging public comments about current Twitter employees - and this seems to be against the terms of the deal according to some comments I have come across.


I highly doubt this deal will fail, just because a few snowflakes get hurt feelings. This is more than 44 Billion dollars. I am pretty sure it will take a bit more than that for it to fall through.


'Hurt feelings' is not a contractual clause or business term in general. No idea what you're on about.
 
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An interesting phenomenon has occurred since Mr. Musk's bid was accepted. If Twitter has nothing to hide and there was no intentional manipulation going on behind the scenes at Twitter, then what is the explanation for this? Disposing of evidence before the new boss takes over, perhaps?

Twitter Is PANICKING And May Be Purging Code That Hurt Conservatives, Creepy Conspiracy Unveiled-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtYJ8keRQc
 
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TSS wrote:
An interesting phenomenon has occurred since Mr. Musk's bid was accepted. If Twitter has nothing to hide and there was no intentional manipulation going on behind the scenes at Twitter, then what is the explanation for this? Disposing of evidence before the new boss takes over, perhaps?

Twitter Is PANICKING And May Be Purging Code That Hurt Conservatives, Creepy Conspiracy Unveiled-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtYJ8keRQc


The explanation is a bunch of unverified conjecture from a YT channel that obviously loves to trigger people as their revenue model. I don’t see any video titles in their channel listing that are not histrionic.

And even if there were ‘intentional manipulation’ happening within a private entity, is that illegal? Did the BOD know? Was policy in place and all PR/CTO/COO/CCO entities were aware? Much to be looked at before anything worth reacting to.
 
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Aaron747 wrote:
TSS wrote:
An interesting phenomenon has occurred since Mr. Musk's bid was accepted. If Twitter has nothing to hide and there was no intentional manipulation going on behind the scenes at Twitter, then what is the explanation for this? Disposing of evidence before the new boss takes over, perhaps?

Twitter Is PANICKING And May Be Purging Code That Hurt Conservatives, Creepy Conspiracy Unveiled-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtYJ8keRQc


The explanation is a bunch of unverified conjecture from a YT channel that obviously loves to trigger people as their revenue model. I don’t see any video titles in their channel listing that are not histrionic.

And even if there were ‘intentional manipulation’ happening within a private entity, is that illegal? Did the BOD know? Was policy in place and all PR/CTO/COO/CCO entities were aware? Much to be looked at before anything worth reacting to.


Something is really going on, considering many prominent conservatives have seen bumps of up to more than 100K followers. Don't see any reason to believe that other than Twitter was shadow banning conservatives.
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:28 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TSS wrote:
An interesting phenomenon has occurred since Mr. Musk's bid was accepted. If Twitter has nothing to hide and there was no intentional manipulation going on behind the scenes at Twitter, then what is the explanation for this? Disposing of evidence before the new boss takes over, perhaps?

Twitter Is PANICKING And May Be Purging Code That Hurt Conservatives, Creepy Conspiracy Unveiled-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtYJ8keRQc


The explanation is a bunch of unverified conjecture from a YT channel that obviously loves to trigger people as their revenue model. I don’t see any video titles in their channel listing that are not histrionic.

And even if there were ‘intentional manipulation’ happening within a private entity, is that illegal? Did the BOD know? Was policy in place and all PR/CTO/COO/CCO entities were aware? Much to be looked at before anything worth reacting to.


Something is really going on, considering many prominent conservatives have seen bumps of up to more than 100K followers. Don't see any reason to believe that other than Twitter was shadow banning conservatives.


What's going on is conservative conspiracy theories, paranoia and butt-hurt. :yes:
 
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Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:31 pm

TSS wrote:
An interesting phenomenon has occurred since Mr. Musk's bid was accepted. If Twitter has nothing to hide and there was no intentional manipulation going on behind the scenes at Twitter, then what is the explanation for this? Disposing of evidence before the new boss takes over, perhaps?

Twitter Is PANICKING And May Be Purging Code That Hurt Conservatives, Creepy Conspiracy Unveiled-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtYJ8keRQc

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
OMG, this is what fake "conservatives" have sunk to.

I say fake because they aren't conservative or Republican's, they are MAGA's or Trumplicans. They make up crap to trigger their base. Gotta love conspiracy theories, they sure do. Especially ones are made up and then handed around as if "it's on YouTube, it must be true". (That kinda worse than "A pilot told me" or "I saw it on the internet".)

And this is the horde driving Republican policies now? God save us.

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