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The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:27 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 8695676f8b

The Florida Senate passed a bill Wednesday to dissolve the Reedy Creek Improvement District as Republicans seek to punish Disney for opposing HB 1557, known by critics as the “Don’t Say Gay” law—potentially eliminating the special district that Walt Disney World uses to operate as its own municipality, and setting up a court battle over the Florida theme parks’ future.



Welcome to 1984. Corporations are people according to the GOP when it comes to funds and donations, but speak against the GOP, and they take revenge.

I wonder how many businesses will have to rethink their GOP backing before it is too late.


Good luck Florida.

https://news.yahoo.com/dissolving-disne ... 25580.html
For tax payers, the extra funding would be a boon as it would be distributed throughout the county. However, local governments would also absorb all of the district’s liabilities, including the enormous amount of debt on its books.

Reedy Creek historically operates at a loss of approximately $5 to $10 million per year, per its financial reports. The current arrangement renders that meaningless since Disney is able to subsidize its own operations with theme park revenue.

According to lawmakers, though, there is as much as $1 billion in debt on the balance sheets that for which taxpayers would become responsible, possibly amounting to as much as thousands of dollars per household.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:41 pm

GOP is the party of cancel culture.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:45 pm

Just the latest example of GOP hypocrisy. Florida is full of it. Remember when DeSantis punished private employers from enacting COVID safety measures? "Party of small government, unless we can own the libs" is more like it.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:59 pm

Should have use the chance to push to eliminate corporate donation
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:00 pm

I don't know the net economic benefit that Disney provides to the State of Florida, but I have to imagine between the jobs created, tourists attracted, ancillary spending the parks generate - that it is not insignificant.

I will also say that I don't believe it would be easy - but not impossible - for Disney to basically pull operations out of Florida. Close the hotels, theme parks etc.

Now, both those things said, could Disney not say 'enough is enough' and opt to close up operations, or close up operations and move them to a state with a government that is less antagonistic (recognizing it would not be without a huge financial impact on Disney)?

While it would cost Disney money, no doubt, they also (it would seem) hold the upper hand and could unleash a significant amount of economic ruin on the State of Florida in response to the state governor/government using them as a punching bag in the media. No doubt that the void could / would be filled by other companies, but the economic pain until such a time could be widespread and significant.

I am not saying Disney could or would do this, but it just seems short sighted to beat up on a major economic player in your state - a player that could, if it so wished, pack up operations and leave the State all together.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:29 pm

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I don't know the net economic benefit that Disney provides to the State of Florida, but I have to imagine between the jobs created, tourists attracted, ancillary spending the parks generate - that it is not insignificant.

I will also say that I don't believe it would be easy - but not impossible - for Disney to basically pull operations out of Florida. Close the hotels, theme parks etc.

Now, both those things said, could Disney not say 'enough is enough' and opt to close up operations, or close up operations and move them to a state with a government that is less antagonistic (recognizing it would not be without a huge financial impact on Disney)?

While it would cost Disney money, no doubt, they also (it would seem) hold the upper hand and could unleash a significant amount of economic ruin on the State of Florida in response to the state governor/government using them as a punching bag in the media. No doubt that the void could / would be filled by other companies, but the economic pain until such a time could be widespread and significant.

I am not saying Disney could or would do this, but it just seems short sighted to beat up on a major economic player in your state - a player that could, if it so wished, pack up operations and leave the State all together.

They could choose the easier path of just consolidating cooperate in CA or even any other nearby place like ATL/NOLA and then have Florida be only for the theme park like Hong Kong is.
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:01 pm

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Should have use the chance to push to eliminate corporate donation


Couldn't agree more, frankly we need to find a way out of this nonsense of corporations having the rights of people (or in some cases it seems more rights that people)
 
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Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:10 pm

I believe Disney has moved a lot of operations beyond the theme park business, including animation studio,s to their properties in Orlando to reduce overhead costs. Florida is a much lower cost of living and tax state and until now had easily bribed politicians to do their bidding.
Sadly Disney is in a bad spot. They don't want to have employees or their families facing unnecessary hassles for their lifestyles, detracting them from employment, nor lose GLTBQ+ customers either. Republicans seem to need to pander to a critical part of their base, mainly evangelical Christians who are hypocrites in their openly hating GLTBQ's.
As to this corporate owned quasi-government entity, it was dead wrong in the first place but the Disney company bribed enough politicians to get it.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:21 am

stl07 wrote:
skyservice_330 wrote:
I don't know the net economic benefit that Disney provides to the State of Florida, but I have to imagine between the jobs created, tourists attracted, ancillary spending the parks generate - that it is not insignificant.

I will also say that I don't believe it would be easy - but not impossible - for Disney to basically pull operations out of Florida. Close the hotels, theme parks etc.

Now, both those things said, could Disney not say 'enough is enough' and opt to close up operations, or close up operations and move them to a state with a government that is less antagonistic (recognizing it would not be without a huge financial impact on Disney)?

While it would cost Disney money, no doubt, they also (it would seem) hold the upper hand and could unleash a significant amount of economic ruin on the State of Florida in response to the state governor/government using them as a punching bag in the media. No doubt that the void could / would be filled by other companies, but the economic pain until such a time could be widespread and significant.

I am not saying Disney could or would do this, but it just seems short sighted to beat up on a major economic player in your state - a player that could, if it so wished, pack up operations and leave the State all together.

They could choose the easier path of just consolidating cooperate in CA or even any other nearby place like ATL/NOLA and then have Florida be only for the theme park like Hong Kong is.


They could be like Boeing and move HQ to a friendly place, and put the onus on the state and county for the infrastructure.

Either way though, they will likely sue the state due to the original contract, and then the more chilling effect on the GOP will be the fallout from the Chamber of Commerce as big businesses realize that the GOP is out to abuse it's Citizens and Businesses.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:27 am

The CCP could learn a lesson or two from Florida on how to run an ideologically driven dictatorship...
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:42 am

We love free speech and business—until you’re inconvenient!!

I’ve been saying this for a while now, and this is another piece of evidence. The GOP has been seeing a change in its voting base — the whole party of Reagan thing is done. Replaced is a more tribal party that functions a lot like an old school blue collar union.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:12 pm

Board will hopefully put an end to all this nonsense. Re focus on business, their business is to make money, tone down the pc of the day rhetoric, make nice with state, tomorrow the news cycle will be covering the next left/right hysteria topic or maybe the salacious Johnny Depp court case
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:40 pm

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Board will hopefully put an end to all this nonsense. Re focus on business, their business is to make money, tone down the pc of the day rhetoric, make nice with state, tomorrow the news cycle will be covering the next left/right hysteria topic or maybe the salacious Johnny Depp court case



No. Corporations are people per the US Supreme Court. So cowardly abusive politicians like the GOP in Florida need to listen to them instead of threatening them. The Florida GOP can kiss their money goodbye from the honorable people and businesses.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:46 pm

casinterest wrote:
dmg626 wrote:
Board will hopefully put an end to all this nonsense. Re focus on business, their business is to make money, tone down the pc of the day rhetoric, make nice with state, tomorrow the news cycle will be covering the next left/right hysteria topic or maybe the salacious Johnny Depp court case



No. Corporations are people per the US Supreme Court. So cowardly abusive politicians like the GOP in Florida need to listen to them instead of threatening them. The Florida GOP can kiss their money goodbye from the honorable people and businesses.

In a way, something like this is also the only outcome for any political movement. Eventually in some way it becomes self-limiting. Florida has been soaking up some unintended benefits of the 2017 tax plan, and quite frankly it appears to be getting to their heads. The rhetoric is business friendly regulations, but they've made it pretty clear that they're willing to make a whipping boy out of anybody.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:51 pm

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casinterest wrote:
dmg626 wrote:
Board will hopefully put an end to all this nonsense. Re focus on business, their business is to make money, tone down the pc of the day rhetoric, make nice with state, tomorrow the news cycle will be covering the next left/right hysteria topic or maybe the salacious Johnny Depp court case



No. Corporations are people per the US Supreme Court. So cowardly abusive politicians like the GOP in Florida need to listen to them instead of threatening them. The Florida GOP can kiss their money goodbye from the honorable people and businesses.

In a way, something like this is also the only outcome for any political movement. Eventually in some way it becomes self-limiting. Florida has been soaking up some unintended benefits of the 2017 tax plan, and quite frankly it appears to be getting to their heads. The rhetoric is business friendly regulations, but they've made it pretty clear that they're willing to make a whipping boy out of anybody.



Florida could be run by meth heads. All you need to do is convince Retiree's to bring their retirement/SS checks to Florida , and tourists to the beaches and parks.
The revenue from hotel and sales taxes obliterates the need for an income tax.

Right now the GOP is convinced they are running a holy hell bent culture war with Texas so their abusive leaders can outdo each other to run against Trump in 2024. The end result is that the educational system and business climate will suffer, and the GOP will no longer be the party of small or any business.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:56 pm

Perhaps if Disney leaves the GOP can open up their own fantasy park in Florida....one where people can experience a mythical alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID was just a librul hoax. 50% off admission if you show proof of a positive test within the last 48 hours.
 
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The end result is that the educational system and business climate will suffer, and the GOP will no longer be the party of small or any business.

Which is the also inevitable outcome once what used to be called the "blue collar working class" shifted their voting habits with the 2016 Presidential Election. Short term "big tent" for the GOP, but long term that is going to be an incompatible alliance between a protectionist-minded group vs. the profiteers.
 
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I don't know the net economic benefit that Disney provides to the State of Florida, but I have to imagine between the jobs created, tourists attracted, ancillary spending the parks generate - that it is not insignificant.

I will also say that I don't believe it would be easy - but not impossible - for Disney to basically pull operations out of Florida. Close the hotels, theme parks etc.

Now, both those things said, could Disney not say 'enough is enough' and opt to close up operations, or close up operations and move them to a state with a government that is less antagonistic (recognizing it would not be without a huge financial impact on Disney)?

While it would cost Disney money, no doubt, they also (it would seem) hold the upper hand and could unleash a significant amount of economic ruin on the State of Florida in response to the state governor/government using them as a punching bag in the media. No doubt that the void could / would be filled by other companies, but the economic pain until such a time could be widespread and significant.

I am not saying Disney could or would do this, but it just seems short sighted to beat up on a major economic player in your state - a player that could, if it so wished, pack up operations and leave the State all together.


This sums it up for you.

https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2022/ ... ere-we-are
 
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Perhaps if Disney leaves the GOP can open up their own fantasy park in Florida....one where people can experience a mythical alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID was just a librul hoax. 50% off admission if you show proof of a positive test within the last 48 hours.

Thoughts and prayers for all the children being dragged to Branson to own the libs :rotfl:
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:25 pm

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Perhaps if Disney leaves the GOP can open up their own fantasy park in Florida....one where people can experience a mythical alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID was just a librul hoax. 50% off admission if you show proof of a positive test within the last 48 hours.


Popular attractions will include the 'Whack a Trans' game where you win a bobble head of MGT screaming in the face of an LGBTQ youth and the 'Date my Daughter' rollercoaster... the track is named Ivanka and every carriage is shaped like Donald Trump. If you let Bill O'Reilly yell at you and call you a scumbag, you get 50% off your ticket.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:49 pm

TriJets wrote:
Perhaps if Disney leaves the GOP can open up their own fantasy park in Florida....one where people can experience a mythical alternate reality in which Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID was just a librul hoax. 50% off admission if you show proof of a positive test within the last 48 hours.


Now that’s truly a fantasy as Disney isn’t leaving.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:13 pm

dmg626 wrote:
Board will hopefully put an end to all this nonsense. Re focus on business, their business is to make money, tone down the pc of the day rhetoric, make nice with state, tomorrow the news cycle will be covering the next left/right hysteria topic or maybe the salacious Johnny Depp court case


Corporations are people and money is speech. That was established by SCOTUS. Disney is simply doing what they are allowed to do. Besides that, they are including people and families. Why is that a bad thing?
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:26 pm

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[...] as Disney isn’t leaving.

Again, that is not an issue. Disney will feel no real impact from this. They live without this perk everywhere else.

The question is (and to you as well): Do you support politicians and governments going after people and companies for expressing their views? Do you want making decisions to support or not support something without fear of government retribution?

(In a nut shell: Would you support higher taxes for people in the party that isn't in power?)

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Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:37 pm

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Right now the GOP is convinced they are running a holy hell bent culture war with Texas so their abusive leaders can outdo each other to run against Trump in 2024. The end result is that the educational system and business climate will suffer, and the GOP will no longer be the party of small or any business.


It's amazing how much the GOP's platform has basically devolved into a populist extravaganza that is intent on fostering anger and enforcing strict and repressive societal norms while completely forfeiting the old staple Republican values of economic liberalism, fiscal conservatism and restrained governance.

But then the underlying tactic is not hard to understand for anyone with 3 brain cells to rub together. It's all about riling part of the voting base up by amplifying and weaponizing minor societal issues and distracting away from the important ones.

Using government powers to punish businesses for their political or ideological views, while common in some countries like Russia or China, is a bold new step in a dark direction for the US...
 
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Hilarious!

The left loves free speech only for the left. Anything else and you're a Putin ally. This place is emblematic of that. A series of trolling threads all bashing other thought, all the pathetic little bobbleheads, now moving on to DeSantis because you know this sham of an Administration has totally screwed the pooch.

Enjoy your Twitter-lite sewer, safe in the knowledge that Elon Musk isn't going to bother with the circlejerkers here.

The key thing to understand you are endorsing or enjoying is the idea of political retribution. The ideal of a the government retaliating against a specific business for their support or advocacy.

You may be fine with it but I do not think it is a good thing to advocate support for.

Disney itself will be fine, they live everywhere else in the world without this perk so that is not the issue. The issue is the government going after "opponents", (Of course so many people are convinced they are already being attacked soo... )

Tugg

I don't encourage politic retribution any more than I endorse unelected corporations attempting to enforce or subvert legislation. Amazing how the left has become the defender of the corporatocracy. Not so long ago I remember they were practically jumping out of windows over Citizens United.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:19 pm

Francoflier wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Right now the GOP is convinced they are running a holy hell bent culture war with Texas so their abusive leaders can outdo each other to run against Trump in 2024. The end result is that the educational system and business climate will suffer, and the GOP will no longer be the party of small or any business.


It's amazing how much the GOP's platform has basically devolved into a populist extravaganza that is intent on fostering anger and enforcing strict and repressive societal norms while completely forfeiting the old staple Republican values of economic liberalism, fiscal conservatism and restrained governance.

But then the underlying tactic is not hard to understand for anyone with 3 brain cells to rub together. It's all about riling part of the voting base up by amplifying and weaponizing minor societal issues and distracting away from the important ones.

Using government powers to punish businesses for their political or ideological views, while common in some countries like Russia or China, is a bold new step in a dark direction for the US...


I really am interested to see the fall political advertisements in swing districts. There is going to be some eye opening campaigns this fall, and the GOP is feeding a lot of ammunition to the democrats right now.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:05 pm

As with most items it appears the GOP is shooting first, and asking questions later.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/us/reedy ... /index.htm

till, the bill passed the Florida Senate on Wednesday by a 23-16 vote and the House on Thursday by a 70-38 vote. It now goes to DeSantis' desk for his signature. Thursday's vote occurred without any final debate and came as several Black Democratic members were staging a protest over the congressional redistricting map.
For his part, Foglesong said the length of the bill indicated there "hasn't been much study and reflection" on the consequences of this move.
"Somebody is still going to have to pay for the bonds that were purchased in order to build that infrastructure. A lot of roadways. Someone is going to have to do those building inspections. It'll take a lot of those inspectors with a lot of expertise," he said. "Someone is going to have to pay for that. If that burden falls on taxpayers, that's not going to look good for Gov. Desantis. This is going to look like folly."
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Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:50 am

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The CCP could learn a lesson or two from Florida on how to run an ideologically driven dictatorship...


They also get to dictate health measures for air travel for the rest of the nation as well apparently...

:banghead:
 
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I thought conservatives supported limited government? Seems to me like they support government intrusion if it harms the people they dislike the most. Who the hell has time to constantly obsess over the private lives of other people? Must be exhausting to dedicate so much energy to hating everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you. These people need to get a life, a hobby, a job, something……
 
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CitizenJustin wrote:
I thought conservatives supported limited government? Seems to me like they support government intrusion if it harms the people they dislike the most. Who the hell has time to constantly obsess over the private lives of other people? Must be exhausting to dedicate so much energy to hating everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you. These people need to get a life, a hobby, a job, something……

It is rather...goofy...isn't it?

I think anybody with brain also knows that if a Democrat had done this, people like DeSantis would be screaming bloody murder (and fairly so!). What that actually says most about is the voters.
 
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luckyone wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
I thought conservatives supported limited government? Seems to me like they support government intrusion if it harms the people they dislike the most. Who the hell has time to constantly obsess over the private lives of other people? Must be exhausting to dedicate so much energy to hating everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you. These people need to get a life, a hobby, a job, something……

It is rather...goofy...isn't it?

I think anybody with brain also knows that if a Democrat had done this, people like DeSantis would be screaming bloody murder (and fairly so!). What that actually says most about is the voters.


Based on the latest polls, changing the title of this topic to "The Majority of Democrat Voters Support Punishing Free Speech" would be just as accurate.

https://www.westernjournal.com/polls-sh ... -gay-bill/
 
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afcjets wrote:
luckyone wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
I thought conservatives supported limited government? Seems to me like they support government intrusion if it harms the people they dislike the most. Who the hell has time to constantly obsess over the private lives of other people? Must be exhausting to dedicate so much energy to hating everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you. These people need to get a life, a hobby, a job, something……

It is rather...goofy...isn't it?

I think anybody with brain also knows that if a Democrat had done this, people like DeSantis would be screaming bloody murder (and fairly so!). What that actually says most about is the voters.


Based on the latest polls, changing the title of this topic to "The Majority of Democrat Voters Support Punishing Free Speech" would be just as accurate.

https://www.westernjournal.com/polls-sh ... -gay-bill/

I love how carefully crafted polls are to mislead people to achieve a desired result. Just parse out parts of something, don't ask on the whole thing. And then some people are easily fooled by such things or allow themselves to be so satisfy some inner need for validation.

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afcjets wrote:
luckyone wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
I thought conservatives supported limited government? Seems to me like they support government intrusion if it harms the people they dislike the most. Who the hell has time to constantly obsess over the private lives of other people? Must be exhausting to dedicate so much energy to hating everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you. These people need to get a life, a hobby, a job, something……

It is rather...goofy...isn't it?

I think anybody with brain also knows that if a Democrat had done this, people like DeSantis would be screaming bloody murder (and fairly so!). What that actually says most about is the voters.


Based on the latest polls, changing the title of this topic to "The Majority of Democrat Voters Support Punishing Free Speech" would be just as accurate.

https://www.westernjournal.com/polls-sh ... -gay-bill/


First of all, it is the DEMOCRATIC party. There is nor has there ever been a democrat party.

Second, the "Don't Say Gay" bill is addressing a problem that never existed. Literally no teacher anywhere was teaching K-3 students about sex or sexual orientation. Even though teachers are not nor have ever taught children that young about sex and gender, I think we can all agree on that. But, the bill goes on to limit what teachers can discuss with students at higher grades. Like 9-12. Parents could sue if a sex ed teacher talks about trans or gay people. Teachers can not include and support gay and trans teens, according to the bill.

Republican hero Lauren Boebert even suggested waiting until a person is 21 before deciding their sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... sexuality/

Because we need bigger and bigger government?
 
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Not to be outdone, here is TX, firing a lesbian teacher over...rainbow stickers. Not to be confused with the black principal in nearby Southlake who was fired for...speaking about BLM and having a white wife. Also not to be confused with TX hunting down trans kids for decisions made between their families and doctors like something out of 30s Germany... Free speech 'n such and such.

Texas School Board Ousts Teacher Over Pro-LGBTQ Rainbow Stickers
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... s-1342040/
 
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Republican hero Lauren Boebert even suggested waiting until a person is 21 before deciding their sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... sexuality/

Because we need bigger and bigger government?

I guess that means minors shouldn’t be allowed to get pregnant or keep their kids, Ms. Boebert…whoops.
 
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Second, the "Don't Say Gay" bill is addressing a problem that never existed. Literally no teacher anywhere was teaching K-3 students about sex or sexual orientation. Even though teachers are not nor have ever taught children that young about sex and gender, I think we can all agree on that.

Unfortunately the problem does exist and the bill is necessary...

From the liberals of TikTok:

"TEACHER: Hi, my name is -- and I'm a preschool teacher. Recently, we started wearing pronoun pins and the kids get to pick a new pronoun pin every day. We have some that pick she/her every single day and we have some that change it up.

TEACHER: So, I'm a non-binary preschool teacher and my kids know I’m non-binary. They know I'm not a girl or a boy. I use they/them pronouns in the classroom. We work on it. Not all kids get it. That's OK and I go by Mx Gray in the classroom, not Miss or Mister.

TEACHER: Man, y'all thought me teaching the children about me being poly was crazy, but not only that, but they also know that I'm gender-fluid.

TEACHER: I'm going to give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well. So, when babies are born, the doctor looks at them, and they make a guess about whether the baby is a boy or a girl. "

You can watch the videos beginning at 1:25 and see for yourself.

https://youtu.be/q-nMlMU48wI

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker- ... gn-twitter
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:43 pm

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I love how carefully crafted polls are to mislead people to achieve a desired result. Just parse out parts of something, don't ask on the whole thing. And then some people are easily fooled by such things or allow themselves to be so satisfy some inner need for validation.

Tugg


:checkmark:

Ditto for carefully crafted slogans like "Don't Say Gay". Which is why when a poll accurately reflects what's in a bill vs an intentionally misleading slogan, it's not much of surprise a majority of Democrats support a bill you've been told they strongly oppose.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:11 pm

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As with most items it appears the GOP is shooting first, and asking questions later.

The thing here is that any effects won't become apparent until a few years down the road. DeSantis is up for reelection this November and all he will care about is showing the national electorate that he managed to win reelection in a swingy red state and can therefore deliver the White House to Republicans come election 2024. Voters everywhere have short term memories. Even when the damage becomes apparent, he'll pass a "tax cut" to brandish even further conservative credentials. If reelected this year, he'll be out of office by 2026 and as such doesn't have to worry about anything else. If he wins the White House, he has other items to content with rather than his record as FL governor. If he loses his bid, he's term limited anyway. He could attempt to primary Rubio in 2028 or run for Scott's seat if he decides to retire, but bottom line is that he likely won't care about the damage done.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:24 pm

afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Second, the "Don't Say Gay" bill is addressing a problem that never existed. Literally no teacher anywhere was teaching K-3 students about sex or sexual orientation. Even though teachers are not nor have ever taught children that young about sex and gender, I think we can all agree on that.

Unfortunately the problem does exist and the bill is necessary...

From the liberals of TikTok:

"TEACHER: Hi, my name is -- and I'm a preschool teacher. Recently, we started wearing pronoun pins and the kids get to pick a new pronoun pin every day. We have some that pick she/her every single day and we have some that change it up.

TEACHER: So, I'm a non-binary preschool teacher and my kids know I’m non-binary. They know I'm not a girl or a boy. I use they/them pronouns in the classroom. We work on it. Not all kids get it. That's OK and I go by Mx Gray in the classroom, not Miss or Mister.

TEACHER: Man, y'all thought me teaching the children about me being poly was crazy, but not only that, but they also know that I'm gender-fluid.

TEACHER: I'm going to give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well. So, when babies are born, the doctor looks at them, and they make a guess about whether the baby is a boy or a girl. "

You can watch the videos beginning at 1:25 and see for yourself.

https://youtu.be/q-nMlMU48wI

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker- ... gn-twitter

From this virulently anti LGBTQ website we have plenty of examples of anti LGBTQ propaganda. "Next we'll turn to our Nazi friends who will tell us about all the Jewish conspiracies we should also be afraid of" -Fox News, probably

What a surprise. :roll:
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:59 pm

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From this virulently anti LGBTQ website we have plenty of examples of anti LGBTQ propaganda. "Next we'll turn to our Nazi friends who will tell us about all the Jewish conspiracies we should also be afraid of" -Fox News, probably

What a surprise. :roll:


Do you mean the one that hired Caitlyn Jenner to be a contributor or do you mean CCP's TikTok? If you admittedly make up a fantasy quote from Fox I would assume the latter. Keep in mind though the Liberals from TikTok posted those videos themselves, I assume because they wanted to and are happy Fox promoted their agenda.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news ... r-1330587/
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:30 pm

afcjets wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
From this virulently anti LGBTQ website we have plenty of examples of anti LGBTQ propaganda. "Next we'll turn to our Nazi friends who will tell us about all the Jewish conspiracies we should also be afraid of" -Fox News, probably

What a surprise. :roll:


Do you mean the one that hired Caitlyn Jenner to be a contributor or do you mean CCP's TikTok? If you admittedly make up a fantasy quote from Fox I would assume the latter. Keep in mind though the Liberals from TikTok posted those videos themselves, I assume because they wanted to and are happy Fox promoted their agenda.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news ... r-1330587/

Not sure what your point is. There were Jewish Nazis, there were blacks who supported the Confederacy, there are gay conservatives, and there's Caitlyn on Fox. Trump's mentor Roy Cohn--dear friend of Roger Stone--was a gay man that helped conservatives purge the government of gay people and then died of AIDS while his conservative buddies cheered on the disease. There were several gay Nazis in Hitler's inner circle until...they were un-alived. Nothing new under the sun--some people will always throw their own under the bus for the tiniest whiff of power.

Nor is using out of context videos to smear an entire group as pedophiles new--which mind you isn't even the first time conservatives have painted all LGBTQ/blacks/Muslims/whatever-republicans-are-afraid-of-today-people as threats to children. I'm old enough to have lived through y'all doing it at least twice, which is a reminder conservatives have always been and will always be vicious homophobes, particularly since the vast majority of child abuse happens at home--or church! Remember the bathroom bills from a few years ago? And then conservatives voted for the guy who barges in on underage girls changing in the bathroom at his pageants, because--of course they did--it's *never* about the "children". The face eating leopard party is still the face eating leopard party, even if they hire Caitlyn to do a lil song and dance. Here are the dim witted log cabin republicans realizing that the GOP hates their guts too:

Some Republicans fear party overreach on LGBT measures
"But his group is scrambling to develop a state legislative strategy to track other parental rights bills that are moving around the country, saying that some of them do pose problems for gay Americans. “Every one of these bills are different in each state, and some of them are truly dangerous,” Moran said. “Some of them are actually bad. Some of them we are going to come out and oppose.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... cans-lgbt/

Moran living up to his name.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:08 pm

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Should have use the chance to push to eliminate corporate donation


Corporate donations from Disney will not be heading to the GOP for some time now. There will also be a number of employees who will be changing their donations.

Sometimes I wonder if Goofy fathered a lot of Florida politicians.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:08 am

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casinterest wrote:
As with most items it appears the GOP is shooting first, and asking questions later.

The thing here is that any effects won't become apparent until a few years down the road. DeSantis is up for reelection this November and all he will care about is showing the national electorate that he managed to win reelection in a swingy red state and can therefore deliver the White House to Republicans come election 2024. Voters everywhere have short term memories. Even when the damage becomes apparent, he'll pass a "tax cut" to brandish even further conservative credentials. If reelected this year, he'll be out of office by 2026 and as such doesn't have to worry about anything else. If he wins the White House, he has other items to content with rather than his record as FL governor. If he loses his bid, he's term limited anyway. He could attempt to primary Rubio in 2028 or run for Scott's seat if he decides to retire, but bottom line is that he likely won't care about the damage done.



Desantis is playing politics. However as we have seen the politic boomerang can hit hard and sharp. Look at McCarthy and McConnell. They abandoned holding Trump responsible for Jan 6 , and now they are being painted as liars and traitors as more evidence shows that 1. Trump was guilty, and 2. The GOP congress had a lot of complicit members, and 3. They decided to play politics instead of integrity and country. That boomerang may serve Desantis well in his Florida ambitions, but it will not serve him on the National scale.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:36 am

seb146 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
luckyone wrote:
It is rather...goofy...isn't it?

I think anybody with brain also knows that if a Democrat had done this, people like DeSantis would be screaming bloody murder (and fairly so!). What that actually says most about is the voters.


Based on the latest polls, changing the title of this topic to "The Majority of Democrat Voters Support Punishing Free Speech" would be just as accurate.

https://www.westernjournal.com/polls-sh ... -gay-bill/


First of all, it is the DEMOCRATIC party. There is nor has there ever been a democrat party.

Second, the "Don't Say Gay" bill is addressing a problem that never existed. Literally no teacher anywhere was teaching K-3 students about sex or sexual orientation. Even though teachers are not nor have ever taught children that young about sex and gender, I think we can all agree on that. But, the bill goes on to limit what teachers can discuss with students at higher grades. Like 9-12. Parents could sue if a sex ed teacher talks about trans or gay people. Teachers can not include and support gay and trans teens, according to the bill.

Republican hero Lauren Boebert even suggested waiting until a person is 21 before deciding their sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/re ... sexuality/

Because we need bigger and bigger government?




People like Boebert want a simple black/white explanation and answer for everything. Their entire world view is as shallow and uninformed as a Facebook meme. Obviously I didn’t know the term when I was a kid but I knew I was different. Thankfully my family never had an issue with my little mermaid dolls. Now imagine all the LGBTQ youth with these wacky conservative parents and it’s no wonder that mental health and suicide are major issues.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:36 am

casinterest wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
casinterest wrote:
As with most items it appears the GOP is shooting first, and asking questions later.

The thing here is that any effects won't become apparent until a few years down the road. DeSantis is up for reelection this November and all he will care about is showing the national electorate that he managed to win reelection in a swingy red state and can therefore deliver the White House to Republicans come election 2024. Voters everywhere have short term memories. Even when the damage becomes apparent, he'll pass a "tax cut" to brandish even further conservative credentials. If reelected this year, he'll be out of office by 2026 and as such doesn't have to worry about anything else. If he wins the White House, he has other items to content with rather than his record as FL governor. If he loses his bid, he's term limited anyway. He could attempt to primary Rubio in 2028 or run for Scott's seat if he decides to retire, but bottom line is that he likely won't care about the damage done.



Desantis is playing politics. However as we have seen the politic boomerang can hit hard and sharp. Look at McCarthy and McConnell. They abandoned holding Trump responsible for Jan 6 , and now they are being painted as liars and traitors as more evidence shows that 1. Trump was guilty, and 2. The GOP congress had a lot of complicit members, and 3. They decided to play politics instead of integrity and country. That boomerang may serve Desantis well in his Florida ambitions, but it will not serve him on the National scale.

It remains to be seen where a lot of that will land. I agree though, DeSantis is making a national play that will like score points with voters for whom economics goes over their head (fun fact, Disney taxed themselves higher than they would’ve paid to the local taxman. Have fun paying that bill). That will likely play well nationally too, though at what corporate dollar cost now that he has gone there and attacked the real source of money. By that time Disney will likely have prevailed in court — even Miss Obsequiousness 2020 Jenna Ellis has said that. Having said all that, his real concern needs to be Trump. Trump is precisely the kind of guy who will stab him in the back if he thinks DeSantis will take some of his spotlight, or if he wants to run again. Then DeSantis is shtupped.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:16 am

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By that time Disney will likely have prevailed in court — even Miss Obsequiousness 2020 Jenna Ellis has said that.

That had to be the unexpected voice of reason of the century.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:40 am

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luckyone wrote:
By that time Disney will likely have prevailed in court — even Miss Obsequiousness 2020 Jenna Ellis has said that.

That had to be the unexpected voice of reason of the century.

Yes and no. Lawyers and escorts have a lot in common — they’ll do whatever they’re paid to do — and we know Trump has dallied with both. Ellis was a vocal Trump critical until he started to pay her. (Why she was important in the first place I’m still trying to figure out, but that’s a discussion for another thread).
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:19 am

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Not to be outdone, here is TX, firing a lesbian teacher over...rainbow stickers. Not to be confused with the black principal in nearby Southlake who was fired for...speaking about BLM and having a white wife. Also not to be confused with TX hunting down trans kids for decisions made between their families and doctors like something out of 30s Germany... Free speech 'n such and such.

Texas School Board Ousts Teacher Over Pro-LGBTQ Rainbow Stickers
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... s-1342040/


Looks like I need to make a career change. It seems like all the aerospace engineering jobs are getting sent to those shitholes.
 
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Re: The GOP has decided to punish free speech

Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:58 am

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Nor is using out of context videos to smear an entire group as pedophiles new--which mind you isn't even the first time conservatives have painted all LGBTQ/blacks/Muslims/whatever-republicans-are-afraid-of-today-people as threats to children. I'm old enough to have lived through y'all doing it at least twice, which is a reminder conservatives have always been and will always be vicious homophobes, particularly since the vast majority of child abuse happens at home--or church!


The most ironic thing about this post is you present an argument with strawmen (as in more than one) saying conservatives are smearing an entire group (which they're not) yet your doing exactly that by smearing all conservatives as "vicious homophobes". Sorry, kids are sent to school for kids, not for teachers' self expression, and definitely not for them to be encouraged to experiment with different genders and pronouns in preschool.

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