Redd wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

Well DC isn’t a state, but right after DC n the high murder rate category are Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Tennessee. All fun loving GOP voting strongholds.

And take a look where the majority of those murders take place, in blue cities. All those fun-loving libs. Throw the blue cities out and you have those states fall waaaaay down the list.
Birmingham and Montgomery, Blue.
New Orleans (murder central) Blue,
Kansas City, Blue.
Little Rock, Blue.
Charleston, Blue.
Nashville, Very Blue

wingman wrote:

That's a good strategy, why just get rid of the blacks when you could get rid of whole cities? Leave all those states to the Redds, Bubbas and Johnny Crackers and everything would be lily white and peachy keen. Extermination fantasies aren't just a Russian thing I guess. Think of the consequences though. What happens to societies and countries when you leave the future to rural, white Christians? We tried that experiment for 2000 years and it was crappy. A version if that experiment is still ongoing in some countries today and it ain't pretty in any of 'em.

SQ22 wrote:

Please remember to provide a link to your source when stating facts, thanks.

seb146 wrote:

Covid crime wave happened. It happened all across the country, not just "liberal" cities. Crime spikes when people are stuck inside. It is not "blame the libs" even though that is the favorite saying of Republicans. This happened because people were stuck inside and people, especially in low income areas (which are mostly minorities) that had few resources.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/2 ... ate-517226
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9622000135

seb146 wrote:

Covid crime wave happened. It happened all across the country, not just "liberal" cities. Crime spikes when people are stuck inside. It is not "blame the libs" even though that is the favorite saying of Republicans. This happened because people were stuck inside and people, especially in low income areas (which are mostly minorities) that had few resources.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/2 ... ate-517226
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9622000135

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Covid crime wave happened. It happened all across the country, not just "liberal" cities. Crime spikes when people are stuck inside. It is not "blame the libs" even though that is the favorite saying of Republicans. This happened because people were stuck inside and people, especially in low income areas (which are mostly minorities) that had few resources.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/2 ... ate-517226
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9622000135

While crime across the board went up, yes, crime is highest in blue areas. It's the same in most of Western Europe. That's not even up for discussion, it's just the way it is. So instead of beating around the bush, Americans & Europeans should be having a conversation on how to bring down crime in the highest crime areas, and taking action. Pretending these high crime areas aren't high in crime, isn't going to help you Americans or us Europeans very much, is it?

In Manhattan, the median rent price reached $4,000 for the first time ever, according to Douglas Elliman’s just-released May rental market report — which tracks prices in Manhattan, Brooklyn and parts of Queens. That sky-high sum marks a 25.2% year-over-year climb from the $3,195 Manhattan median rent tallied in May 2021. It also comes as lease signings rise, and as listing inventory of available Manhattan rental units — which reached 19,025 homes last May — plummeted to 5,776 last month, a nearly 70% year-over-year drop.

Not only has the demand been fueled by New Yorkers, those who fled town during the worst of the coronavirus pandemic, gradually returning to the city as schools and offices have reopened — but also by remote-working out-of-towners moving to the Big Apple to take advantage of their ongoing flexibility.

STT757 wrote:

Median rent price in Manhattan reaches $4,000 for first time

In Manhattan, the median rent price reached $4,000 for the first time ever, according to Douglas Elliman’s just-released May rental market report — which tracks prices in Manhattan, Brooklyn and parts of Queens. That sky-high sum marks a 25.2% year-over-year climb from the $3,195 Manhattan median rent tallied in May 2021. It also comes as lease signings rise, and as listing inventory of available Manhattan rental units — which reached 19,025 homes last May — plummeted to 5,776 last month, a nearly 70% year-over-year drop.

Not only has the demand been fueled by New Yorkers, those who fled town during the worst of the coronavirus pandemic, gradually returning to the city as schools and offices have reopened — but also by remote-working out-of-towners moving to the Big Apple to take advantage of their ongoing flexibility.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/09/median-rent-price-in-manhattan-reaches-4000-for-first-time

Not only are people moving back to NYC who left during the pandemic, but now people who previously worked and lived elsewhere are now moving to NYC thanks to remote work.

leader1 wrote:

Funny to see how Miami and Scottsdale round up the top ten. Both places were traditionally considered cheaper with regards to real estate.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/the-25- ... tment.html

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Covid crime wave happened. It happened all across the country, not just "liberal" cities. Crime spikes when people are stuck inside. It is not "blame the libs" even though that is the favorite saying of Republicans. This happened because people were stuck inside and people, especially in low income areas (which are mostly minorities) that had few resources.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/2 ... ate-517226
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9622000135

While crime across the board went up, yes, crime is highest in blue areas. It's the same in most of Western Europe. That's not even up for discussion, it's just the way it is. So instead of beating around the bush, Americans & Europeans should be having a conversation on how to bring down crime in the highest crime areas, and taking action. Pretending these high crime areas aren't high in crime, isn't going to help you Americans or us Europeans very much, is it?

luckyone wrote:

I always take these things with a grain of salt. Crime does indeed happen everywhere. Crime indeed has increased in the last year or so. But I've also lived in a lot of different places from rural Georgia to the big evil crime ridden liberal corrupt hive of Chicago. My father's wallet was stolen out of his car in the rural North Georgia town we lived in -- just a few years ago there was a serious murder in the same county at a rural lakeside restaurant we frequented. His car was broken into in our suburban Atlanta driveway, and our suburban house was vandalized more than once. I parked my (nice) car on the streets of Chicago for years and never had a problem other than bumper rash. My wallet was TWICE returned to me in Chicago when it had dropped out of my car onto the street (working long overnight hours you occasionally do goofy things) -- once was in front of my apartment and someone returned it to the front desk, and the other was at the hospital where I worked, someone turned it into hospital security, who reached out to the local police who then reached out to CPD who called me to tell me they had my wallet, and I actually didn't even realize that I had lost it. So people need to take a step back from all the rhetoric.

KlimaBXsst wrote:

Yes there does seem to be a lot of pushing and shoving of individuals by fine upstanding citizens onto the Subway Tracks lately.

I guess there are other benefits of living in the city though like safe affordable Ubers, Lyfts, and Taxis, unless of course you manage to get in a strangers car by mistake, which basically would not be someone else’s fault.

KlimaBXsst wrote:

Yes there does seem to be a lot of pushing and shoving of individuals by fine upstanding citizens onto the Subway Tracks lately.

I guess there are other benefits of living in the city though like safe affordable Ubers, Lyfts, and Taxis, unless of course you manage to get in a strangers car by mistake, which basically would not be someone else’s fault.

GalaxyFlyer wrote:

I bought three guns for hunting coat pigeons in the last year.

william wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/30/us/new-york-crime-safety-fears/index.html

Residents say they're overwhelmed with fear and anxiety, as the NYPD struggles to rein in crime. Just as NYC is getting its infrastructure together. Had great times in Times Square.

Virtual737 wrote:

GalaxyFlyer wrote:

I bought three guns for hunting coat pigeons in the last year.

One for each arms and..... clever dick?

MrPeanut wrote:

william wrote:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/30/us/new-york-crime-safety-fears/index.html

Residents say they're overwhelmed with fear and anxiety, as the NYPD struggles to rein in crime. Just as NYC is getting its infrastructure together. Had great times in Times Square.

LOL.....I could see this coming the day the "de-fund the police" nonsense starting spewing around. People were thinking emotionally rather than logically when making this statement.

Not only did this never make sense, but those communities that wanted this are now getting what they asked for, which is chaos.

So now you are faced with a situation where:
1.) Departments in some cities are under-funded to address crime
2.) Struggle to hire talent because potential talent knows they do not have the tools necessary to protect not only themselves but the public as well
3.) Many current officers lack the will to perform the job because all their actions are publicly scrutinized by twitter idiots
4.) Cities like SF and Seattle allow people to steal items $1,000 with little to no repercussions
5.) Prosecutors are not prosecuting as many cases
6.) Criminals know about 1-5 hence the spike in crime.

Also the demilitarization of police is another idiotic move. Why do you think police have militarize over the decades? It's not because they are fighting criminals who are armed with sticks and stones, but rather criminals with automatic guns and armor.

I am still amazed at how foolish people were on this topic.

stratosphere wrote:

wingman wrote:

Where do Americans feel safe? 20M guns flooding the country every year tells me there isn't a safe place anywhere in this joint. In the league of advanced nations we've always been the deadliest by a wide margin. It doesn't matter who the President is. It's how we roll and it'll never change. The only thing I can point to is the water.

AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there. I grew up in northern NJ very close to Manhattan, NJ and NY have always had strict gun laws in fact if you got caught with a gun in NYC it was one year in jail mandatory and it was well advertised. I would drive into NYC and first thing you were met by the "squeegee" guys soon as you had to stop when you came out of any of the tunnels and bridges from NJ. Rain or shine they would shakedown drivers for a handout by squeegeeing your windows regardless if you wanted it or not. NYC was a sewer in a lot of places like the 42 street . Well I remember well when Mayor David Dinkins finally got beat out by Rudi Giuliani you can say what you want about the Giuliani of today which I think he's lost his mind. But there is no doubt the early years of Giuliani were pretty remarkable. From his tough stance on the mob and prosecution of them when he was a US attorney to when he became mayor and instilled police policies like "Broken Windows" and other zero tolerance policies. You can argue they were unfair or racist but there is no argument that they had an effect. NYC was transformed from the sewer it once was to a city people actually wanted to go visit and felt safe and that mindset carried over in to the Bloomberg administration when Michael Bloomberg became mayor and continued and even expanded stop and frisk. I don't care what anyone says and how unfair it seems those policies worked. Now NYC is back to the cesspool it once was where no one wants to go there.

STT757 wrote:

KlimaBXsst wrote:

Yes there does seem to be a lot of pushing and shoving of individuals by fine upstanding citizens onto the Subway Tracks lately.

I guess there are other benefits of living in the city though like safe affordable Ubers, Lyfts, and Taxis, unless of course you manage to get in a strangers car by mistake, which basically would not be someone else’s fault.

NYC has the largest public school system in the Country, there are 1,722 public schools in the City of New York, 75,000 teachers and over 1.1 million students. Yet they have never suffered a school shooting. Yes there is crime in New York, however this category they are exceedingly safe. This is a category where young white males in suburbs and rural areas are more dangerous than poor males of color in cities.

afcjets wrote:

STT757 wrote:

KlimaBXsst wrote:

Yes there does seem to be a lot of pushing and shoving of individuals by fine upstanding citizens onto the Subway Tracks lately.

I guess there are other benefits of living in the city though like safe affordable Ubers, Lyfts, and Taxis, unless of course you manage to get in a strangers car by mistake, which basically would not be someone else’s fault.

NYC has the largest public school system in the Country, there are 1,722 public schools in the City of New York, 75,000 teachers and over 1.1 million students. Yet they have never suffered a school shooting. Yes there is crime in New York, however this category they are exceedingly safe. This is a category where young white males in suburbs and rural areas are more dangerous than poor males of color in cities.

I bet most schools in NYC have a single point of entry, or obviously a very limited number, whereas schools in less urban areas don't.

frmrCapCadet wrote:

Seattle in November elected a mayor and prosecutor who have some backbone. People expected the pair to be a little faster, but they are moving. We have judges who simply don't care about public safety and the rights of the general population. The prosecutor is beginning by addressing the IIRC 800 people with the worst record. She also intends to drop several thousand cases. Doing the 800 requires more deputy prosecutors, agreements with the judicial system, and probably the amount of cell space in jails.

ps - I have wondered if those who commit serious crimes downtown could be forbidden to be in downtown. Many of the crimes they commit would not be available for them in neighborhoods. Their crimes of somewhat crimes of opportunity.

STT757 wrote:

afcjets wrote:

STT757 wrote:

NYC has the largest public school system in the Country, there are 1,722 public schools in the City of New York, 75,000 teachers and over 1.1 million students. Yet they have never suffered a school shooting. Yes there is crime in New York, however this category they are exceedingly safe. This is a category where young white males in suburbs and rural areas are more dangerous than poor males of color in cities.

I bet most schools in NYC have a single point of entry, or obviously a very limited number, whereas schools in less urban areas don't.

They all follow fire codes.

afcjets wrote:

And so will schools in other areas if and when they create a single point of entry, much like airport concourses with a single point of entry follow local fire codes.

luckyone wrote:

leader1 wrote:

Funny to see how Miami and Scottsdale round up the top ten. Both places were traditionally considered cheaper with regards to real estate.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/the-25- ... tment.html

Growth begets increased cost of living. It'll be interesting to see how much those cities continue to grow in a housing downturn AND cost of living equilibration, given that so much of Florida and Arizona's growth has been from people cashing in from real estate sales in New York and California.