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SL1200MK2 wrote:I feel very safe where I live in San Francisco
Aeroflot777 wrote:SL1200MK2 wrote:I feel very safe where I live in San Francisco
Really? Our crime rate is quite high these days. Car has been broken into 3 times in a year, brazen thieves. Once in the middle of broad daylight in front of us.
wingman wrote:Where do Americans feel safe? 20M guns flooding the country every year tells me there isn't a safe place anywhere in this joint. In the league of advanced nations we've always been the deadliest by a wide margin. It doesn't matter who the President is. It's how we roll and it'll never change. The only thing I can point to is the water.
SL1200MK2 wrote:However, I don’t have a car so fortunately I’ve not experienced that… What part of town are you in, good sir?
stratosphere wrote:AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there.
stratosphere wrote:I grew up in northern NJ very close to Manhattan, NJ and NY have always had strict gun laws in fact if you got caught with a gun in NYC it was one year in jail mandatory and it was well advertised.
wingman wrote:stratosphere wrote:AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there.
OK, let's zero in on NYC like the OP asked us to. New Yorkers don't feel safe now and you suggest that if Giuliani's policies or Giuliani himself were reinstated then the people there would feel safe again. Possibly they'd feel even safer going back to the policies and social conditions of the 40s and 50s. I concede the point in part but you should still respond to my own question which is a valid one. If New Yorkers don't feel and "no one wants to go there" as you put it, then what other major US metropolis could they move to where they'd feel safer? Where is it that everyone does want to go to now instead of NYC because it's so much safer. Are you talking about Copenhagen, Basel, Tokyo, Seoul, Melbourne, or Berlin? In that case then I totally concede the point. But if you think that people in Miami and Houston and Charlotte or LA, Seattle, Chicago or Indianapolis feel a whole lot safer than New Yorkers then my opinion is that you're wrong. No one feels safe which is why Americans buy so many guns. It sure as shit ain't for hunting clay pigeons. It's because we live in society demented by a perverse and circular logic that thinks the solution to safety is more guns. But when that promise fails to deliver results yet again then the only recourse is to load up on more guns. It's why I pointed to water. When you compare US cities to their sister cities in our peer group of advanced nations that's the one key difference..the water. It's obvious.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:wingman wrote:stratosphere wrote:AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there.
OK, let's zero in on NYC like the OP asked us to. New Yorkers don't feel safe now and you suggest that if Giuliani's policies or Giuliani himself were reinstated then the people there would feel safe again. Possibly they'd feel even safer going back to the policies and social conditions of the 40s and 50s. I concede the point in part but you should still respond to my own question which is a valid one. If New Yorkers don't feel and "no one wants to go there" as you put it, then what other major US metropolis could they move to where they'd feel safer? Where is it that everyone does want to go to now instead of NYC because it's so much safer. Are you talking about Copenhagen, Basel, Tokyo, Seoul, Melbourne, or Berlin? In that case then I totally concede the point. But if you think that people in Miami and Houston and Charlotte or LA, Seattle, Chicago or Indianapolis feel a whole lot safer than New Yorkers then my opinion is that you're wrong. No one feels safe which is why Americans buy so many guns. It sure as shit ain't for hunting clay pigeons. It's because we live in society demented by a perverse and circular logic that thinks the solution to safety is more guns. But when that promise fails to deliver results yet again then the only recourse is to load up on more guns. It's why I pointed to water. When you compare US cities to their sister cities in our peer group of advanced nations that's the one key difference..the water. It's obvious.
I don’t know about that, I bought three guns for hunting coat pigeons in the last year. One is waiting pickup at the FFL.
It’s illegal now to bring a firearm into NYC, it’s illegal nationally for a convicted felon, domestic abuser, a person with history of mental illness and persons with drug convictions to purchase a firearm. What is changing?
Newark727 wrote:I found this article in the New York times kind of interesting, and maybe somewhat illustrative as to why gun control is such a frustrating issue to discuss. It seems like you have to have basically everyone doing it, because even a tiny number of dishonest or inattentive brokers can get a lot of guns into the wrong hands, but for the same reason, most people are going to only see completely legal gun sellers and owners, and any regulation essentially punishes them for things they didn't do.
wingman wrote:Are you talking about Copenhagen, Basel, Tokyo, Seoul, Melbourne, or Berlin? In that case then I totally concede the point. But if you think that people in Miami and Houston and Charlotte or LA, Seattle, Chicago or Indianapolis feel a whole lot safer than New Yorkers then my opinion is that you're wrong.
Moose135 wrote:stratosphere wrote:I grew up in northern NJ very close to Manhattan, NJ and NY have always had strict gun laws in fact if you got caught with a gun in NYC it was one year in jail mandatory and it was well advertised.
That's why we need comprehensive, national gun laws. Unless you want NYC to set up check points at the bridges and tunnels, you can't stop someone buying a gun elsewhere and bringing it in to NYC.
stratosphere wrote:wingman wrote:Where do Americans feel safe? 20M guns flooding the country every year tells me there isn't a safe place anywhere in this joint. In the league of advanced nations we've always been the deadliest by a wide margin. It doesn't matter who the President is. It's how we roll and it'll never change. The only thing I can point to is the water.
AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there. I grew up in northern NJ very close to Manhattan, NJ and NY have always had strict gun laws in fact if you got caught with a gun in NYC it was one year in jail mandatory and it was well advertised. I would drive into NYC and first thing you were met by the "squeegee" guys soon as you had to stop when you came out of any of the tunnels and bridges from NJ. Rain or shine they would shakedown drivers for a handout by squeegeeing your windows regardless if you wanted it or not. NYC was a sewer in a lot of places like the 42 street . Well I remember well when Mayor David Dinkins finally got beat out by Rudi Giuliani you can say what you want about the Giuliani of today which I think he's lost his mind. But there is no doubt the early years of Giuliani were pretty remarkable. From his tough stance on the mob and prosecution of them when he was a US attorney to when he became mayor and instilled police policies like "Broken Windows" and other zero tolerance policies. You can argue they were unfair or racist but there is no argument that they had an effect. NYC was transformed from the sewer it once was to a city people actually wanted to go visit and felt safe and that mindset carried over in to the Bloomberg administration when Michael Bloomberg became mayor and continued and even expanded stop and frisk. I don't care what anyone says and how unfair it seems those policies worked. Now NYC is back to the cesspool it once was where no one wants to go there.
sierrakilo44 wrote:wingman wrote:Are you talking about Copenhagen, Basel, Tokyo, Seoul, Melbourne, or Berlin? In that case then I totally concede the point. But if you think that people in Miami and Houston and Charlotte or LA, Seattle, Chicago or Indianapolis feel a whole lot safer than New Yorkers then my opinion is that you're wrong.
New York (state) has a lower homicide rate than all of the states those cities are in bar Seattle (Washington state):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... icide_rate
But even then the lowest US homicide rate state (New Hampshire) has a murder rate of 0.9 per 100,000, and it’s the only US state below the vast majority of EU nations.
The average US homicide rate (6.6, roughly the rate of two places Republican politicians exclaim are great places to live, Texas and Florida) is still 6x the UK rate, 9x the German rate and 12x the Italian rate.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:The four states at the bottom of the list for rates, ID, VT, ME, NH, all have fairly high gun ownership rates and few gun regulations. DC, at the top, has famously tight regulations, challenged in Heller v.
DC, and highest rate. Go figure.
When we calculated the overall increase among the cities in each state -- disregarding cities that had just a few murders, where a small increase would lead to a large percentage increase -- the increase in New York state came to 46%, compared with 31% in Texas and 22% in Florida.
According to Pew Research Center, which used data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, murders rose by 30% between 2019 and 2020 across the country. Pew’s analysis showed that on a statewide basis, per 100,000 people, New York’s increase in murders was higher than the increases in Florida and Texas. The number of homicides per 100,000 remains lower in New York, at 4.7 at the end of 2020, than in Florida, 7.8, and Texas, 7.6.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:The four states at the bottom of the list for rates, ID, VT, ME, NH, all have fairly high gun ownership rates and few gun regulations.
DC, at the top, has famously tight regulations, challenged in Heller v.
DC, and highest rate. Go figure.
NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
william wrote:Lets be real, even if the left bankrupted every American gun manufacture through lawsuits, there would still be a flood of guns. China or another country would fill the void. Right now in major cities, "June Bug" is on the street corner selling crack and has a 9mm in his pants and they are both illegal.
Aaron747 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The four states at the bottom of the list for rates, ID, VT, ME, NH, all have fairly high gun ownership rates and few gun regulations. DC, at the top, has famously tight regulations, challenged in Heller v.
DC, and highest rate. Go figure.
Comparing urban to state rates is intellectually dishonest.
SL1200MK2 wrote:william wrote:Lets be real, even if the left bankrupted every American gun manufacture through lawsuits, there would still be a flood of guns. China or another country would fill the void. Right now in major cities, "June Bug" is on the street corner selling crack and has a 9mm in his pants and they are both illegal.
I’ve lived in a few cities and have never heard of “June Bug”. Is this like the urban version of “Cletus” or “Billy Bob”?
sierrakilo44 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The four states at the bottom of the list for rates, ID, VT, ME, NH, all have fairly high gun ownership rates and few gun regulations.
Democrat leaning places with high urbanisation and (comparatively) low gun numbers also dominate the bottom of the murder rate list, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Oregon, Rhode Island, Minnesota (at #44 out of 50, the way the GOP spoke about it you’d think it was number 1), New Jersey, Washington state and Connecticut.DC, at the top, has famously tight regulations, challenged in Heller v.
DC, and highest rate. Go figure.
Well DC isn’t a state, but right after DC n the high murder rate category are Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Tennessee. All fun loving GOP voting strongholds.
NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
MaverickM11 wrote:
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
MaverickM11 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
Well one guy online who lies about everything says NYC is over so must be true
Aaron747 wrote:The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
NIKV69 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
I doubt many of their employees take the subways.
Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
AirWorthy99 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
One thing the COVID era gave us is, yes, working from home. Many just did not want to continue living in a city which prohibited you from going to work, school and going out. And then you had the said investment banks saying you can work from home.
Many of the people who worked from home, are still home. But instead in sunny Florida, living like a prince at a fraction of the cost of NY. And yes, much less taxes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemi ... ts-2020-12
AirWorthy99 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
One thing the COVID era gave us is, yes, working from home. Many just did not want to continue living in a city which prohibited you from going to work, school and going out. And then you had the said investment banks saying you can work from home.
Many of the people who worked from home, are still home. But instead in sunny Florida, living like a prince at a fraction of the cost of NY. And yes, much less taxes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemi ... ts-2020-12
MaverickM11 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
Well one guy online who lies about everything says NYC is over so must be true
wingman wrote:stratosphere wrote:AAHH yes the too many guns argument. Well since the OP is referencing NYC I will start there.
OK, let's zero in on NYC like the OP asked us to. New Yorkers don't feel safe now and you suggest that if Giuliani's policies or Giuliani himself were reinstated then the people there would feel safe again. Possibly they'd feel even safer going back to the policies and social conditions of the 40s and 50s. I concede the point in part but you should still respond to my own question which is a valid one. If New Yorkers don't feel and "no one wants to go there" as you put it, then what other major US metropolis could they move to where they'd feel safer? Where is it that everyone does want to go to now instead of NYC because it's so much safer. Are you talking about Copenhagen, Basel, Tokyo, Seoul, Melbourne, or Berlin? In that case then I totally concede the point. But if you think that people in Miami and Houston and Charlotte or LA, Seattle, Chicago or Indianapolis feel a whole lot safer than New Yorkers then my opinion is that you're wrong. No one feels safe which is why Americans buy so many guns. It sure as shit ain't for hunting clay pigeons. It's because we live in society demented by a perverse and circular logic that thinks the solution to safety is more guns. But when that promise fails to deliver results yet again then the only recourse is to load up on more guns. It's why I pointed to water. When you compare US cities to their sister cities in our peer group of advanced nations that's the one key difference..the water. It's obvious.
STT757 wrote:Let me add my voice to the "it was much worse in the '80s and early '90s". I remember waiting in line to get into the Holland Tunnel in Tribeca being harassed by a conga line of prostitutes, squeegee men and dudes selling stolen stereos etc.. This is just after Giuliani took over around 1993, it probably wasn't until 1996 that the turn around in the city, which everyone hails, started . That same spot in Tribeca today is an upscale family residential neighborhood.
The current environment is upsetting but it is no where near where things were in 1993. And NYC was a great city in 1993 with tons of excitement, commerce, tourism etc.. Is it heading in the wrong direction, yes since the pandemic hit. But it's turning back in the right direction. I like the new Mayor, former NYPD Captain who understands there is a balance between what BLM represents on one end of the spectrum and the desire for law and order on the other end.
I think in 3-5 years the city will be in a better spot than prior to the pandemic. I've been on A-net for a while and I've seen the city written off a few times, none of those predictions came true.
The return to the office will happen, there's tens of billions of dollars in investments in the City's infrastructure that is opening between now and the middle of the next decade:
Second Ave Subway phase II extension, LIRR's East Side Access, Gateway Tunnel Project, redevelopment of Penn Station, Metro North Penn Access, Interborough Express, LaGuardia Airport redevelopment, Kennedy Airport redevelopment etc..NIKV69 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
I doubt many of their employees take the subways.
They take Metro North to New Canaan, PATH to Jersey City and high speed ferries from Belford and Atlantic Highlands NJ to get home to Fairhaven, Little Silver and Rumson.
STT757 wrote:Work from home does nothing for developing new staff, networking, collaborative creativity etc.. The employees want to get back to meeting friends and colleagues after work for drinks, taking clients out for fancy dinners on the company's dime, and business trips etc.. How are you ever going to meet anyone in your field at home?
AirWorthy99 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:NIKV69 wrote:I love how the anti gun crowd is making this a gun issue. People are being punched, stabbed pushed in front of trains. NYC is gone. It isn't coming back. It's not the gun laws. Maybe start with not just letting violent criminals back on the street after arrest.
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
One thing the COVID era gave us is, yes, working from home. Many just did not want to continue living in a city which prohibited you from going to work, school and going out. And then you had the said investment banks saying you can work from home.
Many of the people who worked from home, are still home. But instead in sunny Florida, living like a prince at a fraction of the cost of NY. And yes, much less taxes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemi ... ts-2020-12
Aaron747 wrote:AirWorthy99 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
The continued presence of the world's major investment banks says NYC is not gone. But whatevs.
One thing the COVID era gave us is, yes, working from home. Many just did not want to continue living in a city which prohibited you from going to work, school and going out. And then you had the said investment banks saying you can work from home.
Many of the people who worked from home, are still home. But instead in sunny Florida, living like a prince at a fraction of the cost of NY. And yes, much less taxes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemi ... ts-2020-12
I don’t know where you’ve been, but as others are posting, WFH is essentially scaling back or ending entirely. So, huh??
MaverickM11 wrote:Aaron747 wrote:AirWorthy99 wrote:
One thing the COVID era gave us is, yes, working from home. Many just did not want to continue living in a city which prohibited you from going to work, school and going out. And then you had the said investment banks saying you can work from home.
Many of the people who worked from home, are still home. But instead in sunny Florida, living like a prince at a fraction of the cost of NY. And yes, much less taxes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pandemi ... ts-2020-12
I don’t know where you’ve been, but as others are posting, WFH is essentially scaling back or ending entirely. So, huh??
These are the same exact people that were telling us to STOP LIVING IN FEAR NOW and end all covid restricitons...in Q2 2020. Do they secretly want to WFH?
sierrakilo44 wrote:Well DC isn’t a state, but right after DC n the high murder rate category are Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Tennessee. All fun loving GOP voting strongholds.