One area that I’ve always found curious about the abortion debate here in the US is how much the pro-choice lobby loves to weave this narrative of theocratic oppression and level accusations of US abortion law being somehow akin to the Taliban…or Quran adherents as mentioned earlier in the thread. The reality is that under Roe and to this day, the US pole vaulted to having more or less the most liberal abortion policies in the world. Looking to the rest of the developed world, and Europe in particular, abortion at will is prohibited in many countries and late term abortions outside of medical emergencies are illegal. Most impose limits at 12 weeks of pregnancy or even earlier. It’s therefore unsurprising to me that Roe has remained so “unsettled,” we in the US weren’t allowed to hash out this debate and come to more codified, stable legislative protections compared to countries in Europe who didn’t have to grapple with judicial review of the sort found in the US. It’s pretty evident that the vast majority of public opinion in the US tracks with the normie abortion policies found in most other countries…safe, legal and rare, limitations after a certain stage of viability, no late term abortion outside of medical necessity…but Roe clearly hasn’t been a sound, stable vehicle to that end. Roe has always been the elephant in the room for pro-choice advocates, roundly critiqued by eminent legal scholars from both sides of the spectrum. So I’m not particularly sorry to see shoddy judicial review like Roe brushed aside…but at the same time, as a limited government type who generally doesn’t think the state should intercede in such decisions, I can’t say I’m necessarily looking forward to its aftermath if Roe ends up being struck down.
Not sure this is anywhere near an accurate summation. Because of the language in Roe
establishing abortion is not an unlimited right, there are various situations according to which state a woman lives in.
For one, only seven states allow late-term abortions with zero threshold:States that allow for late-term abortions with no state-imposed thresholds are Alaska, Colorado, District of Columbia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont.
And there are multiple states with gestational limits:According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, as of August 1, 2020, 24 states prohibit some abortions at a specific gestational age.https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... m-abortion
While you are correct there are several European countries that do not allow abortion at-will or have significant restrictions, like Poland and Germany, there are many others where abortion is more accessible than one would initially assume.
Switzerland is no questions asked until 12 weeks, but gives doctors wide latitude to approve abortions after that point:https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/switze ... n-abortion
Abortion was significantly liberalized in Ireland in 2018, after decades of severe restrictions, but holds to the 12 weeks you mentioned in most caseshttps://theconversation.com/one-year-on ... ons-129491
Spain allows termination up to week 14 and under physical or mother's mental distress up to week 22https://www.centromedicoaragon.com/en/a ... ur-rights/
Italy has a 1st trimester limit with allowances beyond for certain conditions, but those allowances are apparently hard to access depending on region of the countryhttps://edition.cnn.com/interactive/201 ... tion-intl/
Belgium extended the decision time from 12 to 18 weeks two years agohttps://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/ ... parliament
France recently granted extension from 12 to 14 weeks. Sweden allows at-will up to 18 weeks, and the Netherlands up to 24https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/01/fra ... -key-moveshttps://www.government.nl/topics/abortion
And other laws among other US-aligned nations:
Japan allows without restriction up to 22 weekshttps://telljp.com/lifeline/tell-chat/h ... y-options/
New Zealand allows up to 20 weekshttps://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/ ... n-abortion
Most Australian states allow termination up to 20-22 weeks, but a couple are more restrictivehttps://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/res ... -practice/
In Canada abortion is essentially unrestricted at any gestational stage but access depends on provincial priorities:https://globalnews.ca/news/8158399/cana ... le-access/
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