Oh, so now you're finally getting closer to how many feel about this. Why should a woman have to bear a child she doesn't want if the guy turned out to be a liar or a jerk? Why should a woman have to pay for a mistake she made when vulnerable, under influence of a substance, depressed, or any of the other many reasons someone may choose to go to bed with someone they don't know well enough? I'm against criminalization of the decisions women have to make for themselves after the fact, when so many men can just disappear, walk away, not have to deal with the emotional scars later, etc.
I don't mind arguing about abortion on cases or rape, incest, or even when the health of the mother is at risk. I am willing to actually compromise on that. The rest, well, its been discussed at length in this thread, and won't get anywhere.
The man as we said earlier in this thread, can and should pay for his role and responsibility.
Anything about a woman, I hope a lady who has had an abortion can post in this forum. We are all speaking for women here, pretty conveniently when abortion also is a escape valve for many men.
Until a woman comes and tells us here why an abortion was the right choice for her and the best choice she made, anything else here we speak about is nonsense.
Till then, nothing else to add.
The guy paying / taking responsibility is not the whole story, and sometimes isn't enough.
Three exes of mine had abortions - one had very mixed feelings about it and would hardly talk about it, the other two were sure it was the right decision under the circumstances. One of them I knew while living in Japan, she was working in a company there and had a relationship with a coworker. She thought it was a serious relationship, and had 'the talk' with him after they had a broken condom accident and she ended up pregnant. She had irregular/light periods naturally, was very busy with work, and didn't even know she was pregnant until a few weeks later. She said she liked him a lot and could imagine a future with him if she had the child, but he laughed the whole thing off, suddenly became cold and admitted he was actually seeing other people as well. From that very moment she decided to consult about an abortion at a ladies' clinic and never looked back.
So don't even tell me it's only about the money. For many women it is also a complex emotional decision, and that's why simply calling it 'convenience' in all cases is a crass and blind view. Men can walk away - the woman can not. If someone doesn't get that, they never will.
OK, so I managed to get you guys figured out. We all agree, (most) rape, incest, case woman is at risk.
So its not about only that, is for the inconvenience, of personal choices such as having fun sex etc. OK
We can't then agree, if you don't want the responsibility, the 'inconvenience' of raising a child and the disruption and problem it may cause a woman. Why wouldn't then adoption be a choice?
That's the point when we will continue 10 more pages talking about the same and getting nowhere.
Adoption isn't an option, its killing the unborn at will and anytime because of freedom. We will agree to disagree. That's fine. Till then, I hope a woman shows up in this forum and talks about how great it was to make that decision for herself.
The rest, we are just men, who weren't born with the maternal instinct only women are born to actually know that most women, will be scarred for life. That's fine.