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4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:42 am

I wonder how many doors the facility had?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61669873
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:49 am

No good guy with a gun it would seem either. Shooter seems to have suicided himself.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tulsa- ... index.html

"Police say four victims were shot to death. It was not immediately clear whether the victims were medical staffers, patients or both. Dalgleish described the shooting scene as an orthopedic center.

Police said they were still working to identify the shooter and his motive. The shooter died from what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and no police officers were injured, Dalgleish said.

“There will obviously be many questions, and there will be a very bumpy road, I think, ahead of us,” said Dr. Cliff Robertson, St. Francis Health System CEO, adding that the shooting was a “senseless, horrible, incomprehensible act.”




More guns, more senseless deaths.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:59 am

Sounds like the shooter killed himself as police moved in, which goes along with the FBI's data that indicates shooters often stop once they are confronted by armed law enforcement:

The shooter often stops as soon as he hears or sees law enforcement, sometimes turning his anger or aggression on law enforcement.16
Patrol officers are most likely responding alone or with a partner. When responding alone, 75 percent had to take action.17
A third of those officers who enter the incident alone are shot by the intruder.18


Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-a ... ve-shooter
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:00 am

Most guns need to be banned in the U.S. and if any are allowed there needs to be strict gun control. Nothing will change until we start banning most if not all guns. The gun is the problem.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:02 am

Pi7472000 wrote:
Most guns need to be banned in the U.S. and if any are allowed there needs to be strict gun control. Nothing will change until we start banning most if not all guns. The gun is the problem.


Guns are not going to be banned as that would be unconstitutional, and no one is seriously proposing changing that. The stats posted ad nauseum in previous threads have demonstrated that firearms are used far more often in self-defense than they are in homicides.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:42 am

TriJets wrote:
firearms are used far more often in self-defense than they are in homicides.

That's one of the loopiest arguments I've ever heard. How does that matter to the 45,000 people who are killed by guns every year?
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:33 am

I can't wait until the right talk about the solutions.
Thoughts and Prayers
Armed Security
Single Entrance/Exit
Armed Doctors and Nurses
Promising to fund metal health
Implement marshal law for those darn liberals
Followed by more thoughts and prayers

Again I'm so sorry to all the family, friends and those who are effected by this. I'm so sick of seeing this.
Only if it was more difficult to maintain a gun license in this country.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:54 am

The 2nd Amendment needs and amendment. Clarification. To make it clear that laws, passed by the citizens of the United States, can control guns. And not the other way around.

It will unfortunately take events likes these recent ones, and likely many more in succession, before such an change is possible.

Tugg
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:55 am

PHLspecial wrote:
I can't wait until the right talk about the solutions.
Thoughts and Prayers
Armed Security
Single Entrance/Exit
Armed Doctors and Nurses
Promising to fund metal health
Implement marshal law for those darn liberals
Followed by more thoughts and prayers

Again I'm so sorry to all the family, friends and those who are effected by this. I'm so sick of seeing this.
Only if it was more difficult to maintain a gun license in this country.


You forgot one: moaaar gunzz!
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:33 am

Tugger wrote:
The 2nd Amendment needs and amendment. Clarification. To make it clear that laws, passed by the citizens of the United States, can control guns. And not the other way around.

It will unfortunately take events likes these recent ones, and likely many more in succession, before such an change is possible.

Tugg
There is a glaring fact that has been ignored. The second amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia", the Supreme Court needs to stop pretending those words don't exist.

There is no need for more legislation. Just implement the second amendment as it was written.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:46 am

It’s encouraging to see the majority views here although I don’t know how things will ever change


More guns, more shootings, pretty simple
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:26 am

casinterest wrote:
No good guy with a gun it would seem either. Shooter seems to have suicided himself.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tulsa- ... index.html

"Police say four victims were shot to death. It was not immediately clear whether the victims were medical staffers, patients or both. Dalgleish described the shooting scene as an orthopedic center.

Police said they were still working to identify the shooter and his motive. The shooter died from what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and no police officers were injured, Dalgleish said.

“There will obviously be many questions, and there will be a very bumpy road, I think, ahead of us,” said Dr. Cliff Robertson, St. Francis Health System CEO, adding that the shooting was a “senseless, horrible, incomprehensible act.”




More guns, more senseless deaths.


Thoughts and prayers will solve this problem, but it appears god isn't listening.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:37 am

Kiwirob wrote:
casinterest wrote:
No good guy with a gun it would seem either. Shooter seems to have suicided himself.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/tulsa- ... index.html

"Police say four victims were shot to death. It was not immediately clear whether the victims were medical staffers, patients or both. Dalgleish described the shooting scene as an orthopedic center.

Police said they were still working to identify the shooter and his motive. The shooter died from what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and no police officers were injured, Dalgleish said.

“There will obviously be many questions, and there will be a very bumpy road, I think, ahead of us,” said Dr. Cliff Robertson, St. Francis Health System CEO, adding that the shooting was a “senseless, horrible, incomprehensible act.”




More guns, more senseless deaths.


Thoughts and prayers will solve this problem, but it appears god isn't listening.


It may be that a few people gave thoughts but not prayers or vice versa so God discounted that and the threshold for not allowing more people to be murdered by guns wasn't met?
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:56 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will solve this problem, but it appears god isn't listening.


God is probably as tired and desensitised to gun violence in the United States as we are, and sends those thoughts prayers into his spam folder.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:04 am

This happened in a medical facility. Possible motives could include medical debt, belief they were mistreated, someone close to them died in their care, was a former/current employee in the facility who had issues with management. Once again, American culture + a person with a problem of some kind + access to a gun or guns = people dead. The shooter is dead, likely there will be information brought out as to a possible motive in the investigation.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:17 am

Sorry Folks, but...

Do you have to open one new thread for every mass shooting in this country?
There are more than 600 mass shootings (so according international standards, 4 or more hit by shots/guns in a single incicdent (so woundd or dead) per year, so something around 2 per day.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:27 am

Why weren't the doctors and nurses armed to the teeth? Nothing says medical professional like having a stethoscope in one hand and an AK in the other.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:43 am

T4thH wrote:
Sorry Folks, but...

Do you have to open one new thread for every mass shooting in this country?
There are more than 600 mass shootings (so according international standards, 4 or more hit by shots/guns in a single incicdent (so woundd or dead) per year, so something around 2 per day.

It's more of the location of shootings. Look at Philly and it's murders no one cares. I would imagine we would be so much safer if people can strict training for guns. Though training is subjective sadly.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:49 am

T4thH wrote:
Sorry Folks, but...

Do you have to open one new thread for every mass shooting in this country?
There are more than 600 mass shootings (so according international standards, 4 or more hit by shots/guns in a single incicdent (so woundd or dead) per year, so something around 2 per day.


What do you want to do, pretend it isn't happening?
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:50 am

TriJets wrote:
Sounds like the shooter killed himself as police moved in, which goes along with the FBI's data that indicates shooters often stop once they are confronted by armed law enforcement:

The shooter often stops as soon as he hears or sees law enforcement, sometimes turning his anger or aggression on law enforcement.16
Patrol officers are most likely responding alone or with a partner. When responding alone, 75 percent had to take action.17
A third of those officers who enter the incident alone are shot by the intruder.18


Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-a ... ve-shooter


Great stuff. Shame about all the dead people up to that point.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:46 am

scbriml wrote:
TriJets wrote:
Sounds like the shooter killed himself as police moved in, which goes along with the FBI's data that indicates shooters often stop once they are confronted by armed law enforcement:

The shooter often stops as soon as he hears or sees law enforcement, sometimes turning his anger or aggression on law enforcement.16
Patrol officers are most likely responding alone or with a partner. When responding alone, 75 percent had to take action.17
A third of those officers who enter the incident alone are shot by the intruder.18


Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-a ... ve-shooter


Great stuff. Shame about all the dead people up to that point.

Well, that's just the cost of freedumb :roll:
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:20 am

Why weren't the doctors and nurses armed?
Why don't patients have ballistic blankets?
Why isn't there only one entrance/exit that wasn't sealed?

Seriously, the same discussion over and over and over again and the same ridiculous arguments defending a 230 year old amendment that has zero relevance in 2022 and the same deflections blaming everything but the actual problem. What a mess :sarcastic:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/cities-us-roc ... d=85083526

Nothing to see here folks, guns aren't the problem.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:30 am

That's one of the loopiest arguments I've ever heard. How does that matter to the 45,000 people who are killed by guns every year?


More to the point, if you purchase a gun you're statistically more likely to use it on yourself than on an armed offender.

PHLspecial wrote:
I can't wait until the right talk about the solutions.
Thoughts and Prayers
Armed Security
Single Entrance/Exit
Armed Doctors and Nurses
Promising to fund metal health
Implement marshal law for those darn liberals
Followed by more thoughts and prayers


Don't forget armed shooter drills for hospitals, doctor's offices, radiology clinics, hospices and tanning salons. ;)
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:17 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will solve this problem, but it appears god isn't listening.

It is said that god helps those who help themselves.
Since no-one is doing anything, you can't expect god to jump in.


T4thH wrote:
Do you have to open one new thread for every mass shooting in this country?

I asked the same question during the Trump era regarding the non-stop Trump threads.
The default responses where:
- you don't have to click on them
- you can open other threads to drown them out

To the gun threads I can add one more default response:
- You can do something to limit the mass shootings.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:24 am

PHLspecial wrote:
I can't wait until the right talk about the solutions.
Thoughts and Prayers
Armed Security
Single Entrance/Exit
Armed Doctors and Nurses
Promising to fund metal health
Implement marshal law for those darn liberals
Followed by more thoughts and prayers

Again I'm so sorry to all the family, friends and those who are effected by this. I'm so sick of seeing this.
Only if it was more difficult to maintain a gun license in this country.


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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:34 am

Vintage wrote:
TriJets wrote:
firearms are used far more often in self-defense than they are in homicides.

That's one of the loopiest arguments I've ever heard. How does that matter to the 45,000 people who are killed by guns every year?


It certainly matters to the 700,000 people who use guns to protect themselves each year.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:35 am

Vintage wrote:
Tugger wrote:
The 2nd Amendment needs and amendment. Clarification. To make it clear that laws, passed by the citizens of the United States, can control guns. And not the other way around.

It will unfortunately take events likes these recent ones, and likely many more in succession, before such an change is possible.

Tugg
There is a glaring fact that has been ignored. The second amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia", the Supreme Court needs to stop pretending those words don't exist.

There is no need for more legislation. Just implement the second amendment as it was written.


The Supreme Court didn't ignore those words. It specifically addressed them. There's a pretty big comma that people like to leave out. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:44 am

TriJets wrote:
Vintage wrote:
TriJets wrote:
firearms are used far more often in self-defense than they are in homicides.

That's one of the loopiest arguments I've ever heard. How does that matter to the 45,000 people who are killed by guns every year?


It certainly matters to the 700,000 people who use guns to protect themselves each year.


Is this a real or made up statistic? If it’s real you should provide a source.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:03 am

Kiwirob wrote:
TriJets wrote:
Vintage wrote:
That's one of the loopiest arguments I've ever heard. How does that matter to the 45,000 people who are killed by guns every year?


It certainly matters to the 700,000 people who use guns to protect themselves each year.


Is this a real or made up statistic? If it’s real you should provide a source.


It is a real one. From our previous thread-

The hypothesis that many Americans use guns for self-protection each year has been repeatedly subjected to empirical test, using the only feasible method for doing so, survey of representative samples of the populations. The results of nineteen consecutive surveys unanimously indicate that each year huge numbers of Americans (700,000 or more) use guns for self-protection. Further, the more technically sound the survey, the higher the defensive gun use estimates. The entire body of evidence cannot be rejected based on the speculation that all surveys share biases that, on net, cause an over estimation of defensive gun use frequency because, ignoring fallacious reasoning, there is no empirical evidence to support this novel theory. At this point, it is fair to say that no intellectually serious challenge has been mounted to the case for defensive gun use being very frequent.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2005. Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press.


Source: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/10881/chapter/7
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:12 am

TriJets wrote:
Vintage wrote:
Tugger wrote:
The 2nd Amendment needs and amendment. Clarification. To make it clear that laws, passed by the citizens of the United States, can control guns. And not the other way around.

It will unfortunately take events likes these recent ones, and likely many more in succession, before such an change is possible.

Tugg
There is a glaring fact that has been ignored. The second amendment speaks of a "well regulated militia", the Supreme Court needs to stop pretending those words don't exist.

There is no need for more legislation. Just implement the second amendment as it was written.


The Supreme Court didn't ignore those words. It specifically addressed them. There's a pretty big comma that people like to leave out. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear.


That same Supreme Court has also ruled that constitutional rights are not without limit. Your rights regarding guns are infringed in a number of ways that are deemed acceptable by the vast majority.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:17 am

Having a single locked exit is fine for security.

Not so good if you have a fire.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:24 am

phugoid1982 wrote:
Why weren't the doctors and nurses armed to the teeth? Nothing says medical professional like having a stethoscope in one hand and an AK in the other.

Arming docs and nurses…THAT might actually have resulted in conservatives calling for gun reform. After the last two years of “my freedoms,” “you doctors are committing the crime of the century by not treating my family member the way I saw on YouTube,” Anti-vaxxers, but you damned well better treat me with priority, uninvited political rants at the bedside, and just the general verbal accosting that medical staff endure on a daily basis from idiots…do you know how many bozos might have died at the hands of a physician or a nurse…hell, I can think of three last week alone.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:26 am

bennett123 wrote:
Having a single locked exit is fine for security.

Not so good if you have a fire.

Most hospitals already have locked exits or doors that unlock only from the inside in such an event. In either case, a fire in a hospital is going to be a disaster no matter where it is. A great many people aren’t even conscious enough to sit up, much less walk.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:41 am

bennett123 wrote:
Having a single locked exit is fine for security.

Not so good if you have a fire.


You could have the door locked from the exterior but unlocked from the interior.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:11 pm

TriJets wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
TriJets wrote:

It certainly matters to the 700,000 people who use guns to protect themselves each year.


Is this a real or made up statistic? If it’s real you should provide a source.


It is a real one. From our previous thread-

The hypothesis that many Americans use guns for self-protection each year has been repeatedly subjected to empirical test, using the only feasible method for doing so, survey of representative samples of the populations. The results of nineteen consecutive surveys unanimously indicate that each year huge numbers of Americans (700,000 or more) use guns for self-protection. Further, the more technically sound the survey, the higher the defensive gun use estimates. The entire body of evidence cannot be rejected based on the speculation that all surveys share biases that, on net, cause an over estimation of defensive gun use frequency because, ignoring fallacious reasoning, there is no empirical evidence to support this novel theory. At this point, it is fair to say that no intellectually serious challenge has been mounted to the case for defensive gun use being very frequent.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2005. Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press.


Source: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/10881/chapter/7


Did you keep reading? It basically came to the conclusion that nobody knows how often guns are used defensively. According to the article over 200,000 people are shot by people defending themselves and their homes, yet less than 100,000 people are reported dead or injured each year by gunshot, so what happened to the other 100,000?
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:12 pm

It's all Diane Feinstein's fault (only semi-joking). This is coming from a gun owner. The best chance that the US had for gun control was the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. The problem was that Diane and her co-sponsors were fixated on the "evil" features of the rifles, things like model names, pistol grips, flash hiders and bayonet lugs, that didn't make a bit of difference. There were easy work-arounds for those features and the same guns were still made, only in slightly modified form.
Think back to 1994. Most high capacity 9mm pistols weren't around. The most popular handgun was probably the 8 shot Colt 1911 45. The 9mm was for "wimps". There were only a handful of AR manufacturers (Colt, Bushmaster, Armalite, Olympic) and the gun wasn't much liked. The old 8 shot M1 Garand and Springfield M1A were more popular. The AR was derided as the "mouse gun" since it wasn't very popular. Why did it become popular? Because people want stuff that they're told they can't have. The only magazines that a civilian could find for the AR were mil-surp ones that were beat to crap at gunshows. You had to go through a crate of them to find a few that would work. So, what should Di-Di have done? She should have completely forgot about banning guns. That just riled up the masses. They should've just concentrated on a ten round magazine capacity limit. People could still buy any gun they wanted, it would only hold ten rounds. Since revolvers, 1911s and Garands held less, the gun people wouldn't have really fought back as hard as they did.
Even now, they are more concerned with banning certain gun models instead of just trying to enact magazine capacity limits. Of course, in the last 28 years, the AR makers have multiplied and aftermarket firms like Magpul have made literally tens of millions of hi-cap mags.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:51 pm

TriJets wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Having a single locked exit is fine for security.

Not so good if you have a fire.


You could have the door locked from the exterior but unlocked from the interior.

That's already the case for most buildings. I worked in secure facilities. One or two enter/exits and a bunch of one way fire doors.
I'm guessing this shooter walked through the front door so that would have not matter
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:29 pm

Well...victim name released along with the shooter.

The shooter basically doesn't like that his back pain is still there and shot his doctor along with whoever that happens to be in his way (i.e. the other doctor in the office, the receptionist, and a patient who was blocking a door). Should have gave the shooter a bunch of oxycodone or something!

Only in good ol' 'merika indeed where you killed somebody with an AR-15 just b/c somebody deemed the medical service not good enough. Oh, and why is anybody surprised that AR-15 is involved again?
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:30 pm

All for Back Pain.

And he bought the AR-15 at 2:00 yesterday.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-t ... g/40175252

Tulsa police Chief Wendell Franklin said during a news conference Thursday that Louis underwent back surgery performed by Phillips on May 19 and complained of pain after being released from the hospital. Louis contacted Phillips’ office several times over the coming weeks and met with Phillips for additional help.

On May 29, Louis bought a semi-automatic handgun at a pawn show, according to Tulsa police. He also bought an AR-15-style rifle around 2 p.m. from a Tulsa-area gun store.

Police said officers found a letter on Louis making it clear that he wanted to kill Phillips and anyone who got in his way. He blamed Phillips for causing the pain following the back surgery.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:57 pm

Too bad the shooter had just taken the handgun he bought a few days before and kill himself and not destroy other's lives.
This situation also shows why we need waiting periods between purchase and delivery of guns of any kind in the USA.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:58 pm

At this point, maybe re-implementing the military/national service draft? Teaching all these young kids some discipline would go a long way. Obviously, the parents, society and the teachers aren't doing anything to help.

Get these young kid's asses into shape. May sound drastic, but does anyone really believe that the USA will take away people's guns? Not going to happen, drastic times call for drastic measures.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:04 pm

Redd wrote:
At this point, maybe re-implementing the military/national service draft? Teaching all these young kids some discipline would go a long way. Obviously, the parents, society and the teachers aren't doing anything to help.

Get these young kid's asses into shape. May sound drastic, but does anyone really believe that the USA will take away people's guns? Not going to happen, drastic times call for drastic measures.



Yeah that worked out great for Jeffrey Damher, and a host of other killers.

The incarceration for violent crimes also doesn't look that great for veterans.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publication ... mates-2016

An estimated 74% of male veterans in state prison and 77% of those in federal prison received an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions.
Male veterans in state prison (26%) were twice as likely as male non-veterans in state prison (12%) to be serving time for a violent sexual offense.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:06 pm

casinterest wrote:
All for Back Pain.

And he bought the AR-15 at 2:00 yesterday.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-t ... g/40175252

Tulsa police Chief Wendell Franklin said during a news conference Thursday that Louis underwent back surgery performed by Phillips on May 19 and complained of pain after being released from the hospital. Louis contacted Phillips’ office several times over the coming weeks and met with Phillips for additional help.

On May 29, Louis bought a semi-automatic handgun at a pawn show, according to Tulsa police. He also bought an AR-15-style rifle around 2 p.m. from a Tulsa-area gun store.

Police said officers found a letter on Louis making it clear that he wanted to kill Phillips and anyone who got in his way. He blamed Phillips for causing the pain following the back surgery.

This is an increasingly common issue in post-opioid crisis America. Perhaps too aggressively, patients who were given opioids for years have been weaned off of them. Naturally after years on oxycodone or similar, few other things work. But nobody wants to be responsible for an escalating opioid requirement. Patients are given only a few days upon discharge after surgical procedures now. Some complain. Some refuse to even take them. But now what we have is the blueprint for the disaffected to display their dissatisfaction — they’re going to show the world and gain some notoriety.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:10 pm

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At this point, maybe re-implementing the military/national service draft? Teaching all these young kids some discipline would go a long way. Obviously, the parents, society and the teachers aren't doing anything to help.

Get these young kid's asses into shape. May sound drastic, but does anyone really believe that the USA will take away people's guns? Not going to happen, drastic times call for drastic measures.

I would support that. Young people need purpose. If their parents aren’t giving them direction, they need to get it from somewhere.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:22 pm

One week after surgery and he was complaining that he wasn't "back to normal" and still in pain? What a wimp.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:26 pm

johns624 wrote:
One week after surgery and he was complaining that he wasn't "back to normal" and still in pain? What a wimp.

Hold up now. I’m not condoning his actions in the slightest. But we don’t know how long this person was in pain or how many treatments he had attempted. We also don’t know if he was getting external pressure (ie job).
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:36 pm

Not sure why this is even a national news event. The MSM is hellbent on a political narrative.

This wasn't even a random shooting, it was a targeted shooting. This is a local news story.

If MSM treats all shootings the same, it will be flooded with news from Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, New York and LA.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:50 pm

luckyone wrote:
casinterest wrote:
All for Back Pain.

And he bought the AR-15 at 2:00 yesterday.

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-t ... g/40175252

Tulsa police Chief Wendell Franklin said during a news conference Thursday that Louis underwent back surgery performed by Phillips on May 19 and complained of pain after being released from the hospital. Louis contacted Phillips’ office several times over the coming weeks and met with Phillips for additional help.

On May 29, Louis bought a semi-automatic handgun at a pawn show, according to Tulsa police. He also bought an AR-15-style rifle around 2 p.m. from a Tulsa-area gun store.

Police said officers found a letter on Louis making it clear that he wanted to kill Phillips and anyone who got in his way. He blamed Phillips for causing the pain following the back surgery.

This is an increasingly common issue in post-opioid crisis America. Perhaps too aggressively, patients who were given opioids for years have been weaned off of them. Naturally after years on oxycodone or similar, few other things work. But nobody wants to be responsible for an escalating opioid requirement. Patients are given only a few days upon discharge after surgical procedures now. Some complain. Some refuse to even take them. But now what we have is the blueprint for the disaffected to display their dissatisfaction — they’re going to show the world and gain some notoriety.

Back pain is real, and I have had it, but that is my pain and not someone else's. I lost an acquaintance who suffered a clot the day after their back surgery that was supposed to solve years of issues from an accident. At the end of the day, anger is real, and pain is real, but no one should have the open access to guns to just take it out on someone else.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:59 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Not sure why this is even a national news event. The MSM is hellbent on a political narrative.

This wasn't even a random shooting, it was a targeted shooting. This is a local news story.

If MSM treats all shootings the same, it will be flooded with news from Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, New York and LA.


Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe we'd get a better sense for how much damage ready access to guns can really cause.

Anyway, what the hell difference does it make whether this was "random" or "targeted?" Here in the land of the free, we don't discriminate - no matter what kind of mayhem you have in mind, you can get a weapon to do it with. White supremacist? Have a gun. Back pain? Have a gun. Gang vendetta? Have a gun. Not getting laid enough? Have a gun. Need meth money? Have a gun.
 
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Re: 4 dead in Tulsa OK medical centre shooting

Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:01 pm

Newark727 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Not sure why this is even a national news event. The MSM is hellbent on a political narrative.

This wasn't even a random shooting, it was a targeted shooting. This is a local news story.

If MSM treats all shootings the same, it will be flooded with news from Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, New York and LA.


Would that be such a bad thing? Maybe we'd get a better sense for how much damage ready access to guns can really cause.

Anyway, what the hell difference does it make whether this was "random" or "targeted?" Here in the land of the free, we don't discriminate - no matter what kind of mayhem you have in mind, you can get a weapon to do it with. White supremacist? Have a gun. Back pain? Have a gun. Gang vendetta? Have a gun. Not getting laid enough? Have a gun. Need meth money? Have a gun.


My problem is how the MSM is cherry picking what shootings to cover, just to drive a political narrative.

If you don't have a problem, that's fine, I hope you also show concern for the rest of killings that happen in this country daily but don't get any coverage. Just that we just 'care' because we want to pursue a political goal.

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