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Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:15 pm

Nothing says small government and definitely-not-pedophiles like groundless child genital inspections. Your daughter run a little too fast? Well pants off missy--Rep Don Jones needs to see what's between your legs.

Insanity.


GOP passes bill aiming to root out ‘suspected’ transgender female athletes with genital inspection
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/ ... nspection/

"House Republican lawmakers in Ohio passed a bill at 11:15 p.m. Wednesday night that would ban transgender girls and women from participating in high school and college athletics. It also comes with a “verification process” of checking the genitals of those “accused” of being trans."

"There is only one transgender girl in the state that is currently participating in high school athletics, according to Equality Ohio and the Ohio High School Athletic Association (OSHAA)."

"If someone is suspected to be transgender, she must go through evaluations of her external and internal genitalia, testosterone levels and genetic makeup."
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:52 pm

Creepy gym teachers of Ohio, rejoice!
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:13 pm

Newark727 wrote:
Creepy gym teachers of Ohio, rejoice!

:checkmark: :checkmark: I suspect it'll be used for girls that are a little too athletic, but more often, a little too pretty.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:16 pm

So much for freedom and not having an intrusive government. Seriously, the problems we have to deal with and they’re worried about a high school track match. Can’t wait for this one to hit the courts when a maybe not optimally feminine chick is subjected to a p***y grab, refuses, and sues.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:25 pm

Perhaps the true objective here is to drive business to Ohio's private schools by bankrupting the state's public school system under an avalanche of sexual harassment settlements...
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:45 pm

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Creepy gym teachers of Ohio, rejoice!


I bet Gym Jordan is wishing that Ohio was this stupidly Republican back when he kept his eyes closed while coaching at Ohio St.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:07 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
Creepy gym teachers of Ohio, rejoice!


I bet Gym Jordan is wishing that Ohio was this stupidly Republican back when he kept his eyes closed while coaching at Ohio St.



I bet Jordan is secretly sponsoring this bill for his fallback career.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:33 pm

The american right is pure evil.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:45 pm

Unfortunately, these people will probably control Congress after November. This is just the beginning.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 10:02 pm

The party of small government and family values once again proving themselves to be the party of clowns. Mind boggling people still vote for them, but their TVs are stuck on Fox News.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:07 pm

I’ll put on a dress. I don’t mind the Representatives playing with my balls ;). Might as well get something for my taxes.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:48 am

Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:07 am

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Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.



Sounds like the latest thing to try and scare people to vote for them. Sigh…

Politicians here tried this angle too, but nobody listened and instead they got voted out.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:30 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
GOP passes bill aiming to root out ‘suspected’ transgender female athletes with genital inspection
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/ ... nspection/


"This site not available in your country"

Lol, guess they don't want us Europeans to see parts of the USA turning into Saudi Arabia 2.0.

I even doubt this story is true, because no half sensible civilised person can possibly think this is the right thing to do.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:54 pm

Jalap wrote:
I even doubt this story is true, because no half sensible civilised person can possibly think this is the right thing to do.


Here's a source that does work. It's even from Fox so noone can claim the source has a liberial bias:

https://www.fox19.com/2022/06/02/ohio-h ... ol-sports/

To quote Fox19:
It passed with heavy GOP support 56-28 party-line vote in House Bill 151 [...] The bill also requires:
  • Transgender female athletes to join male or co-ed teams
  • Students to get a signed statement from a doctor verifying their biological sex if it is questioned

The bill goes next to the Senate for consideration, but that won’t be happening anytime soon.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:23 pm

Jalap wrote:
no half sensible civilised person


Got some bad news for you about Republican state legislators.
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:09 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
Creepy gym teachers of Ohio, rejoice!

:checkmark: :checkmark: I suspect it'll be used for girls that are a little too athletic, but more often, a little too pretty.


Yuck!. The thought of this makes my skin crawl. I know way too many creepy guys in their 30's who constantly check out HS girls. Repulsive! I'm sure Fox will spin this crap by blaming trans people (not if, but when) molestation cases go up alarmingly high after this ridiculous law.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:02 am

They're just checking for monkeypox... No worries.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:39 am

Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


Here in Australia the conservative government ran pretty big on transgender athletes in our recent election campaign as a wedge issue. And lost big time.

Sports need to set sensible rules. Laws like this one in OH are just the right’s authoritarianism on show, with a good helping of creepy fixation.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:59 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


Here in Australia the conservative government ran pretty big on transgender athletes in our recent election campaign as a wedge issue. And lost big time.


Did they really lose big or were they the victims of an electoral system where the popular vote isn’t taken into account? 4,651,652 people voted Labor, 5,117,435 voted Coalition. Less people voted Labor in this election than the last election, it makes no sense that they won 77 seats to the Coalition 58 seats. The Greens with 1,730,646 votes should have won more than 4 seats, they were robbed. Australia needs electoral reform.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:22 am

Australia: We need electoral voting reform
USA. : Dude, Jesus Christ, get in line
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:26 am

If the Coalition had introduced electoral reform.

The problem is that electoral reform only benefits parties who do not have anything approaching a majority.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:39 am

hh65man wrote:
Australia: We need electoral voting reform
USA. : Dude, Jesus Christ, get in line


Nah, no reform needed in Australia. Preferences Friday m other progressive parties went to LAbor. The Libs were savaged, with voters also going to economically conservative but socially progressive independents.

It was a massive win by progressives over conservatives - but the transgender sports issue truly didn’t win votes.

The GOP needs to stop trying to regulate what’s in peoples pants. They are really seeking like perverts.
 
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Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:40 pm

petertenthije wrote:
Jalap wrote:
I even doubt this story is true, because no half sensible civilised person can possibly think this is the right thing to do.


Here's a source that does work. It's even from Fox so noone can claim the source has a liberial bias:

https://www.fox19.com/2022/06/02/ohio-h ... ol-sports/

To quote Fox19:
It passed with heavy GOP support 56-28 party-line vote in House Bill 151 [...] The bill also requires:
  • Transgender female athletes to join male or co-ed teams
  • Students to get a signed statement from a doctor verifying their biological sex if it is questioned

The bill goes next to the Senate for consideration, but that won’t be happening anytime soon.

Well that's extremely depressing. I find no words to express my disgust for this extreme lack of respect for people's integrity.
Who are the people that vote such people in office? Who are the people who support them?
Something is very rotten over there, I hope a fix will be found someday.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:44 am

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Less people voted Labor in this election than the last election, it makes no sense that they won 77 seats to the Coalition 58 seats.

It make total sense. Labor voters are spread throughout more districts and therefore edged Coalition voters. Imagine a country with three districts where each has about 10 residents. District A votes 9/10 for Party X and Districts B and C vote 6/10 for Party Y. Total popular vote is Party X got 17 votes and Party Y got 13 votes, but as Party Y won in two districts, they get larger representation.

Such are the oddities of single-member districts. NZ's method is the best of both worlds, where a local representative is elected but also the popular vote is taken into account for final composition, so if Party X wins more districts than Party Y, but Party Y wins the majority of the popular vote (often the result of lopsided margins in some districts), Party Y gets enough seats to control the chamber.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:35 am

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If the Coalition had introduced electoral reform.

The problem is that electoral reform only benefits parties who do not have anything approaching a majority.


What a load of crap, electoral reform benefits everyone, elections are supposed to be fair and reflect the will of all the people, this doesn't happen in Australia, it doesn't happen in the UK, and it didn't happen in NZ until we changed. IMO the best system out there is what we have in NZ, MMP, where all voters votes count. If Australia had MMP the pasting the Coalition received would not have happened, either the Coalition would have formed a minority govt or Labor and the Greens would have formed a coalition govt.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:51 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Less people voted Labor in this election than the last election, it makes no sense that they won 77 seats to the Coalition 58 seats.

It make total sense. Labor voters are spread throughout more districts and therefore edged Coalition voters. Imagine a country with three districts where each has about 10 residents. District A votes 9/10 for Party X and Districts B and C vote 6/10 for Party Y. Total popular vote is Party X got 17 votes and Party Y got 13 votes, but as Party Y won in two districts, they get larger representation.

Such are the oddities of single-member districts. NZ's method is the best of both worlds, where a local representative is elected but also the popular vote is taken into account for final composition, so if Party X wins more districts than Party Y, but Party Y wins the majority of the popular vote (often the result of lopsided margins in some districts), Party Y gets enough seats to control the chamber.


You forgot to add it gives a voice to people who vote for minor parties that don't win an electorate but do win a percentage of the vote, in NZ this is 5%. Under an MMP system the Australia Green Party would have won approx. 14 seats.

FPP is as daft and undemocratic a system as the Electoral College is in the US.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:45 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
If the Coalition had introduced electoral reform.

The problem is that electoral reform only benefits parties who do not have anything approaching a majority.


What a load of crap, electoral reform benefits everyone, elections are supposed to be fair and reflect the will of all the people, this doesn't happen in Australia, it doesn't happen in the UK, and it didn't happen in NZ until we changed. IMO the best system out there is what we have in NZ, MMP, where all voters votes count. If Australia had MMP the pasting the Coalition received would not have happened, either the Coalition would have formed a minority govt or Labor and the Greens would have formed a coalition govt.


In both situations how do you decide who is responsible for doing things that you disagree with/went wrong.

Both parties just blame each other. With a single party government there is no hiding.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:06 pm

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Kiwirob wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
If the Coalition had introduced electoral reform.

The problem is that electoral reform only benefits parties who do not have anything approaching a majority.


What a load of crap, electoral reform benefits everyone, elections are supposed to be fair and reflect the will of all the people, this doesn't happen in Australia, it doesn't happen in the UK, and it didn't happen in NZ until we changed. IMO the best system out there is what we have in NZ, MMP, where all voters votes count. If Australia had MMP the pasting the Coalition received would not have happened, either the Coalition would have formed a minority govt or Labor and the Greens would have formed a coalition govt.


In both situations how do you decide who is responsible for doing things that you disagree with/went wrong.

Both parties just blame each other. With a single party government there is no hiding.


The govt is the govt regardless of whether it’s a single party govt or a coalition govt, the buck stops with the leader.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 am

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Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

As for the inspections, well... Unless things have changed dramatically in the last few years, from very early on all male athletes have to submit to regular annual wellness exams which include hands-on "turn your head and cough" hernia checks that also serve as fairly conclusive proof of their gender, and after the first time or two they don't seem to complain about having to undergo them.
 
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TSS wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

How many men do you think are willing to part with their willy for that? I'm not saying they aren't out there...but let's just posit for a minute whether the numbers warrant the hysteria. Reason I ask is...this was brought up in the 1970s with Renee Richards, and it was an argument looking for a problem then.
 
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luckyone wrote:
TSS wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

How many men do you think are willing to part with their willy for that? I'm not saying they aren't out there...but let's just posit for a minute whether the numbers warrant the hysteria. Reason I ask is...this was brought up in the 1970s with Renee Richards, and it was an argument looking for a problem then.

How many, if any, of the current crop of "transgender" athletes currently making headlines as they set records in women's events have had bottom surgery? As far as I'm aware that's not a requirement to compete in any women's events. I've heard some discussion about checking testosterone levels just before the competitions begin, but there were concerns that this was a one-time thing and not something that would be regularly monitored by sanctioning bodies during training and/or off-season, leaving the door open for dishonest athletes to train with full testosterone then suppress it just before the event. Even if the transgender athletes do maintain low testosterone levels year-round, unlike women they still have the benefit of having grown up and trained on it for many years before transitioning to whatever degree is required.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:33 pm

TSS wrote:
luckyone wrote:
TSS wrote:

It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

How many men do you think are willing to part with their willy for that? I'm not saying they aren't out there...but let's just posit for a minute whether the numbers warrant the hysteria. Reason I ask is...this was brought up in the 1970s with Renee Richards, and it was an argument looking for a problem then.

How many, if any, of the current crop of "transgender" athletes currently making headlines as they set records in women's events have had bottom surgery? As far as I'm aware that's not a requirement to compete in any women's events. I've heard some discussion about checking testosterone levels just before the competitions begin, but there were concerns that this was a one-time thing and not something that would be regularly monitored by sanctioning bodies during training and/or off-season, leaving the door open for dishonest athletes to train with full testosterone then suppress it just before the event. Even if the transgender athletes do maintain low testosterone levels year-round, unlike women they still have the benefit of having grown up and trained on it for many years before transitioning to whatever degree is required.

I don't know how many have had a vaginoplasty. The motion in question seems to imply that it should/will be.
 
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TSS wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

There is one (1) in OH. And given the unmitigated vitriol and violence fomented on the right against them, it's a safe bet no one is doing that willingly.

TSS wrote:
As for the inspections, well... Unless things have changed dramatically in the last few years, from very early on all male athletes have to submit to regular annual wellness exams which include hands-on "turn your head and cough" hernia checks that also serve as fairly conclusive proof of their gender, and after the first time or two they don't seem to complain about having to undergo them.

There's a difference between an annual medial and Jim Bob thinking your *well* underage daughter is a little too fast (or likely too pretty) and needs an on the spot genital examination to confirm his suspicions.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:14 pm

Presumably birth certificates are sufficent to identify probable genetic gender.
Or have we reached the point of:
"Is it a boy or a girl?"
"I don't know. It hasn't decided yet."
 
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Breaking News!

Lia Thomas and other transgender athletes are banned by world swimming's governing body FINA from competing against women: Separate 'open category' will be set up
FINA, world swimming's governing body, adopted a new policy to prohibit transgender women from competing in women's races
Under the new rules a transgender women can only compete in women's races if they have completed their transition by age 12
They will then have to prove that they are continuously suppressing their testosterone levels
A separate open category will be created for swimming competitions in future
The decision came after the International Olympic Committee left it up to individual sports federations to develop rules about transgender athletes
A task force concluded that biological women 'cannot compete' against anyone who went through male puberty who will have higher testosterone levels
The rule will prevent Lia Thomas from competing against women in international events leading up to the Olympics
By MELISSA KOENIG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and LIZZIE MAY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 13:28 EDT, 19 June 2022 | UPDATED: 17:08 EDT, 19 June 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... races.html
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:17 am

Having a new category was the logical thing to do all along. Except maybe there needs to be 2 new categories, one for M2F, and one for F2M.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:56 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
Breaking News!

Lia Thomas and other transgender athletes are banned by world swimming's governing body FINA from competing against women: Separate 'open category' will be set up
FINA, world swimming's governing body, adopted a new policy to prohibit transgender women from competing in women's races
Under the new rules a transgender women can only compete in women's races if they have completed their transition by age 12
They will then have to prove that they are continuously suppressing their testosterone levels
A separate open category will be created for swimming competitions in future
The decision came after the International Olympic Committee left it up to individual sports federations to develop rules about transgender athletes
A task force concluded that biological women 'cannot compete' against anyone who went through male puberty who will have higher testosterone levels
The rule will prevent Lia Thomas from competing against women in international events leading up to the Olympics
By MELISSA KOENIG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and LIZZIE MAY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 13:28 EDT, 19 June 2022 | UPDATED: 17:08 EDT, 19 June 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... races.html


That's only for swimming though - is swimming a big thing in OH?

You'd suspect the GoP wants to push ahaead an facilitate the "kiddy fiddlers" in other sports.

The right thing is for relevant sporting bodies to consider and implement rules, and to police those rules. This proposed law is still egregiously awful.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:15 am

luckyone wrote:
TSS wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Ah yes, transgender athletes...
The new GOP boogeyman that is definitely slowly destroying American society and not at all a distraction from the other issues they'd rather we didn't think about too hard.


It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.

How many men do you think are willing to part with their willy for that? I'm not saying they aren't out there...but let's just posit for a minute whether the numbers warrant the hysteria. Reason I ask is...this was brought up in the 1970s with Renee Richards, and it was an argument looking for a problem then.


They don’t have to part with their willy anymore, that requirement went a long time ago. An athlete can transition whilst remaining intact, have a sporting career then detransition.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:50 am

I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?
 
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seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:45 am

Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.

Read it again then,
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:43 am

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It is interesting that the self-proclaimed "transgender" athletes tend to be formerly mediocre male athletes who suddenly dominate by competing in the women's divisions, leading me to wonder if any of them are genuinely transgender, or if instead they might be scamming the system in an attempt to grab some glory at any cost.


I think that what you surmise has to be likely for a few at least.

Bodies fashioned from birth by testosterone are stronger than bodies fashioned by oestrogen. Intervention to amend gender cannot amend that history. Using a historically male body reclassified as a female body is a non-starter for me if the idea is to hold fair competitions.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:25 am

Perhaps the solution is to categorise atheletes on their birth gender rather than their current. Be whatever you want, but compete only in what you were at birth.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:48 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew
 
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Re: OH GOP Passes Bill Mandating Children Genital Inspection for 'Suspicious' Athletes

Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:49 pm

seb146 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew


I think the problem is when transition happens after puberty. They would absolutely have an advantage in many sports.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:42 am

seb146 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew


Have you ever played any sports? Girls don't fair too well when they compete with the boys.

Trans girls don't ever become female, female is biological and no amount of HRT is going to make them female, what they become is males presenting as women, and females presenting as men. You're confusing gender with biology. Your biology, your DNA won't ever change.
 
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:21 pm

seb146 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew


I haven't researched it that much, but didn't the article say that the "inspection" is done by a medical doctor? I know my kids have to have a physical and get a signature from the doctor saying they can play sports each year. I don't think this is much different from that, other than the doctor certifying the gender. I think the way you are portraying it is you trying to be sensationalistic.
 
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Re: OH GOP Passes Bill Mandating Children Genital Inspection for 'Suspicious' Athletes

Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:21 pm

seb146 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I find it interesting that we have to inspect all children to girls don't have to compete against boys but it is inspirational when girls compete with boys in traditionally boys sports. Double standard much?


Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew


Delete, double post.
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Re: OH GOP Passes Bill Mandating Children Genital Inspection for 'Suspicious' Athletes

Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:42 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

Your sentence makes no sense.


The only reason for this bill is so "girls don't have to compete with boys in girls sports" but what an inspiration it is for girls to compete on boys teams. But, because science, trans girls (girls who were born male but are on HRT to become female) are taking estrogen to replace testosterone so they can become female. There are plenty of peer reviewed science articles about transitioning. It happens to such a small number, relatively, of people and those who are athletes, even fewer. But, gotta inspect children's genitals just because? ew


I haven't researched it that much, but didn't the article say that the "inspection" is done by a medical doctor? I know my kids have to have a physical and get a signature from the doctor saying they can play sports each year. I don't think this is much different from that, other than the doctor certifying the gender. I think the way you are portraying it is you trying to be sensationalistic.


Your kids have to see a doctor before they can play sport each year? Not something that happens in Norway or New Zealand.

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