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Aaron747
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:00 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

Since for you 'truth is very important' care to cite with evidence that capital police died as a result of the riot?

And no, based on evidence and official statements, the capitol police officer who died after the riot, died from natural causes https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

So, for someone who cars so much about the 'truth' you seem very intent in spreading at the very least, misinformation.


Why read selectively and misinform, when you can actually provide the truth from the article you linked?

Yes, the officer's precise cause of death was likely a preexisting condition. But the trigger for that condition becoming fatal was also likely the prolonged encounter with rioters and high stress of that event. Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking or medical knowledge can make that connection:

Diaz’s ruling does not mean Sicknick was not assaulted or that the violent events at the Capitol did not contribute to his death. The medical examiner noted Sicknick was among the officers who engaged the mob and said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The Capitol Police said in its statement that the ruling “does not change the fact Officer Brian Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.” The agency said it will “never forget Officer Sicknick’s bravery, nor the bravery of any officer on January 6, who risked their lives to defend our democracy.”


There is no evidence he died as a result of the riot. In any case, if you believe this was a reason for his death, very likely someone would have been charged for his death.

You can't change the facts based on feelings, he did not die because of the riot, that's the official result. The rest is speculation driven by a narrative.

The only person who died as a result of this riot was an unarmed woman who was shot in the neck. That was the only person who died, and at the hands of law enforcement, not rioters.


You literally did not read the highlighted portion of the ME’s findings. That is highly disingenuous. Cause of death is for criminal findings, and circumstances of death are the totality of medical situation.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:03 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Why read selectively and misinform, when you can actually provide the truth from the article you linked?

Yes, the officer's precise cause of death was likely a preexisting condition. But the trigger for that condition becoming fatal was also likely the prolonged encounter with rioters and high stress of that event. Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking or medical knowledge can make that connection:

Diaz’s ruling does not mean Sicknick was not assaulted or that the violent events at the Capitol did not contribute to his death. The medical examiner noted Sicknick was among the officers who engaged the mob and said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The Capitol Police said in its statement that the ruling “does not change the fact Officer Brian Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.” The agency said it will “never forget Officer Sicknick’s bravery, nor the bravery of any officer on January 6, who risked their lives to defend our democracy.”


There is no evidence he died as a result of the riot. In any case, if you believe this was a reason for his death, very likely someone would have been charged for his death.

You can't change the facts based on feelings, he did not die because of the riot, that's the official result. The rest is speculation driven by a narrative.

The only person who died as a result of this riot was an unarmed woman who was shot in the neck. That was the only person who died, and at the hands of law enforcement, not rioters.


You literally did not read the highlighted portion. That is highly disingenuous.


"Don't Read" is closely associated with "Don't Watch".

Also the unarmed woman was part of a mob that broke out windows and was climbing through them into a hallway defended by police, after being ordered to stop. Her death is an absolutely needless tragedy.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:17 pm

'Well, they didn't die' should not be the only measure of severity or impact. Capitol Police officers report psychological and physical harm consequences from that day including PTSD.

All caused by the actions of insurrectionists motivated by the President, while people pleaded with the Commander and Chief to do something... and hours passed.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:38 pm

victrola wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
TangoandCash wrote:
What to expect: political theater from both sides. I'll get my popcorn.


Won't be watching but I will be on election night.[/quot

Obviously, you have no problem with people trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. You also seem to want to see these same people take over the Congress in November. I guess that for you, it is not a free and fair election unless the Republicans win. Such mentalities eventually lead to the end of democracy and the beginning of dictatorships.


Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, but no. Nothing in these made-for-tv hearings will change anyone's mind. And I've already decided who I'm voting for (hint--it's not the MAGA side)
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:57 pm

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Had this not happened it is quite probable the officer would not have suffered a "natural cause heart attack".

Right wing logic:
- The officer died from a heart attack. Obviously it’s due to the heart, not the rioters.
- Someone dies from a gun attack. It’s because of the gun, not the shooter… ooh, wait….
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:04 pm

You people are arguing like the cause of this officer's death was the main issue of these hearings. His death, while tragic, is not the main issue of contention here. The main issue here is the attempt by Trump and his allies to overturn the results of a free and fair election. So far, the case against Trump looks pretty devastating.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:14 pm

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Her death is an absolutely needless tragedy.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. She won the ultimate stupid prize.

In different circumstances, folks would be saying "If only they'd followed the officer's commands."
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:18 pm

stratosphere wrote:
luckyone wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
We are getting lectured on civility and respect of the democratic institutions by the same people who are actively today encouraging the intimidation of Supreme court justices to overturn a ruling they don't like.

Just yesterday a leftist who was encouraged by the political left set out to assassinate a Supreme Court Justice, talk to me about incitement of a mob, they are actively doing a January 6th today.

But its OK, the American people know that this fake outrage is fake, because the Summer 2020 riots never happened and they don't get to be investigated by a committee.

I’ll take “Trolling False Equivalencies for $5,000 please, Alex!!”


You mean like how this is being equal or worse to 9/11 that kind? This is in no way shape or form like 9/11. These hearings like all hearings that congress has on both sides is nothing but show. It is partisan for one thing with a couple of outlier Republicans. This was a protest turned riot and should be condemned on all levels. But an insurrection? I say no. if it was it was a poorly planned one. No one had guns some had weapons like pepper spray but already the media and democrats have pushed the lie that 5 police officers were murdered by the mob. They were not.


I don't think you're taking seriously some of the people in the 1/6 insurrection. Some of them were going with mob mentality or just winging it, but others had this carefully planned out.

Since 9/11 is being brought up, let's not forget the 1993 World Trade Center bombing that, while failed to do the destruction that was intended, still caused significant damage, and the failure didn't keep those people from eventually trying again. The 1/6 insurrectionists also failed to do what they were planning, but that doesn't mean they won't try again someday.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:19 pm

Interesting that while the committee presented Sean Hannity's texts about "no more crazy people" and "no more stolen election talk", Hannity himself was on Fox News saying it was "the dullest, most boring ... fund raiser."

Notably while Hannity was saying this, Fox showed video of the chamber, but not audio, nor any excerpts of what was said, nor the videos, nor the projections of his own texts. During this time, Hannity blamed lapses in capitol security and Pelosi for the riots

If you want to understand why the needle hasn't moved for 40% of the population, this is why. The corruption began with conservative talk radio back in the 90's, and has reached new heights now. The deliberate suppression of information (including your own words) that does not support the propaganda you are pushing, under the guise of journalism and news. By definition, news means presenting the information for people to form their own opinions. Not manufacturing the opinion and suppressing the information.

At least it was on full display, for those who are willing to see.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/10/medi ... index.html
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:46 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
Interesting that while the committee presented Sean Hannity's texts about "no more crazy people" and "no more stolen election talk", Hannity himself was on Fox News saying it was "the dullest, most boring ... fund raiser."

Notably while Hannity was saying this, Fox showed video of the chamber, but not audio, nor any excerpts of what was said, nor the videos, nor the projections of his own texts. During this time, Hannity blamed lapses in capitol security and Pelosi for the riots

If you want to understand why the needle hasn't moved for 40% of the population, this is why. The corruption began with conservative talk radio back in the 90's, and has reached new heights now. The deliberate suppression of information (including your own words) that does not support the propaganda you are pushing, under the guise of journalism and news. By definition, news means presenting the information for people to form their own opinions. Not manufacturing the opinion and suppressing the information.

At least it was on full display, for those who are willing to see.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/06/10/medi ... index.html

If nothing else was at least confirmed by all this, it's that talking heads like Hannity are inextricably linked to the political side. Sure they technically get paid by the networks, but they coordinate and resonate the message, and as we've clearly seen have a direct line into the machine. People who think otherwise are fooling themselves.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:49 pm

victrola wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
Meanwhile, on Fox News......Democrats want to take your guns followed by Benghazi, the greatest moments of the 33 hearings ending with "how to bury your head in the sand".


Interesting how you mention Benghazi. I seem to recall that Hilary Clinton showed up to testify at the Benghazi hearings. Why can't republicans like Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, and Trump himself have the guts to testify?



because your mouth gets REALLY REALLY dry pleading the 5th a billion times.....
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:17 pm

victrola wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
Meanwhile, on Fox News......Democrats want to take your guns followed by Benghazi, the greatest moments of the 33 hearings ending with "how to bury your head in the sand".


Interesting how you mention Benghazi. I seem to recall that Hilary Clinton showed up to testify at the Benghazi hearings. Why can't republicans like Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, and Trump himself have the guts to testify?

Because they are gutless.

All hot air and bloviating (and sure all the other politicians are that as well) without the courage to actually stand forth under oath and state the "truth". Whatever truth that may be, at least have the guts to say it where it has consequences.

Although I almost have to give the monologing master, Trump, credit for his ability spout whatever as a stream of thought basically and sell it to those willing to buy. I mean have you read his speech from June 6th? Saying so much for so long and providing soo much "spoken truth" as if it were fact is amazing (and scary that so many buy that sh!t. And for those that wish to read it for themselves: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/96639684 ... ment-trial )

I'd almost give him credit, but like any huckster that credit is long gone, with him proving himself to be a terrible person and President. A leader willing to attack his own country and push others to do so as well. Fail Trump.

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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:26 pm

Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:30 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.

Compared to any popular media, even Fox, government broadcasts get next to no viewers. Commercial get more viewers. Any government broadcasts that gets anything that rates notice it is doing something that isn't normal.

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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:32 pm

Interesting to consider the similarities between Trump and Putin. No wonder they admire each other.

In the Ukrainian conflict, the emerging pattern is that if the Russians are accusing someone of doing something, it's because they are doing that same thing themselves. But accusing others distracts from their own actions. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

With Trump, he claimed that the election was being stolen, while he himself was actually trying to steal it. With conservative media, they claim that the committee hearings are a Soviet-style show trial, while they employ the Soviet tactics of suppressing the news and replacing it with propaganda.

It's becoming a safe bet that whatever they accuse the liberals of doing, they probably are doing themselves. Which is not a defense of the liberals, neither side is innocent in the culture & media wars. But there is a clear pattern with Trump and his followers.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:41 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
Interesting to consider the similarities between Trump and Putin. No wonder they admire each other.

In the Ukrainian conflict, the emerging pattern is that if the Russians are accusing someone of doing something, it's because they are doing that same thing themselves. But accusing others distracts from their own actions. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

With Trump, he claimed that the election was being stolen, while he himself was actually trying to steal it. With conservative media, they claim that the committee hearings are a Soviet-style show trial, while they employ the Soviet tactics of suppressing the news and replacing it with propaganda.

It's becoming a safe bet that whatever they accuse the liberals of doing, they probably are doing themselves. Which is not a defense of the liberals, neither side is innocent in the culture & media wars. But there is a clear pattern with Trump and his followers.

"What they accuse others of doing, they are in actuality doing themselves."
That would be an interesting thing to go back and test to see how true it is for Trump and MAGA followers (and others can try it for whatever party they wish).

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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:49 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


Conservatives are the most coddled people alive. Won't someone think of the poor coup plotters? Listen, any other country on earth, pulling the shit we saw Jan. 6th is cause for people to be straight-up shot or imprisoned for life, and here you are whining about some televised hearings?
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:10 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


And what, pray tell, is the kangaroo nature of the committee? More hyperemotional bluster of non-substance.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:43 pm

The sad thing is, even now, there is a large element of this country that will very happily deny everything and go on.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:05 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


About 20M viewers tuned in on the various broadcast and cable networks. 75% of those where in the 55+ age group, who still rely mostly on TV for news. But a far larger percentage of younger people use streaming services or watch later on Youtube. So the true number is probably at least twice that.

Meanwhile at Fox, the only major network to not carry the hearing, they had a little over 3.2M viewers, which is a slight bump above their loyal base viewership. This was split between the two primary networks (news and business).
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:24 am

Avatar2go wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


About 20M viewers tuned in on the various broadcast and cable networks. 75% of those where in the 55+ age group, who still rely mostly on TV for news. But a far larger percentage of younger people use streaming services or watch later on Youtube. So the true number is probably at least twice that.
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You got evidence or is this an opinion? How about most people dont care at all, in fact this TV show was less seen than the Trump impeachment trials.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:00 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


About 20M viewers tuned in on the various broadcast and cable networks. 75% of those where in the 55+ age group, who still rely mostly on TV for news. But a far larger percentage of younger people use streaming services or watch later on Youtube. So the true number is probably at least twice that.
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You got evidence or is this an opinion? How about most people dont care at all, in fact this TV show was less seen than the Trump impeachment trials.


The Trump impeachment trials had about 9 to 11M viewers. So the Jan 6th hearing was at least double that number.

Streaming and delayed views are not tracked directly, and the public service PBS/C-Span/Congressional numbers are on a different reporting cycle than the commercial networks, so are not included. Also when you have only 25% of viewers under 55 getting their service from TV, they are obviously using online services.

I'm comfortable with estimates I gave. Given your many other posts here, I wouldn't expect you to accept those facts. You believe that people are not interested because that's what you've been told to believe, which you accept without question. But if you look at the responses in this thread, as well as elsewhere online, that should give you a good idea of the interest that exists.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:09 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.

Interesting stats and data metrics for sure.


About 20M viewers tuned in on the various broadcast and cable networks. 75% of those where in the 55+ age group, who still rely mostly on TV for news. But a far larger percentage of younger people use streaming services or watch later on Youtube. So the true number is probably at least twice that.
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You got evidence or is this an opinion? How about most people dont care at all, in fact this TV show was less seen than the Trump impeachment trials.


"There were fewer viewers now than the most watched TV show in history!!!" when we only had 6 channels and we now have one network that is on (not that anyone actually watches, but no one mentions that) in nursing homes, hospitals, truck stops, military bases around the world, hotels, diners and people now can stream whatever, but, yeah, ratings.

There was an attempted coup. They wanted to execute Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION. You know: rule of law?
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:16 am

Avatar2go wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

About 20M viewers tuned in on the various broadcast and cable networks. 75% of those where in the 55+ age group, who still rely mostly on TV for news. But a far larger percentage of younger people use streaming services or watch later on Youtube. So the true number is probably at least twice that.
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You got evidence or is this an opinion? How about most people dont care at all, in fact this TV show was less seen than the Trump impeachment trials.


The Trump impeachment trials had about 9 to 11M viewers. So the Jan 6th hearing was at least double that number.

Streaming and delayed views are not tracked directly, and the public service PBS/C-Span/Congressional numbers are on a different reporting cycle than the commercial networks, so are not included. Also when you have only 25% of viewers under 55 getting their service from TV, they are obviously using online services.

I'm comfortable with estimates I gave. Given your many other posts here, I wouldn't expect you to accept those facts. You believe that people are not interested because that's what you've been told to believe, which you accept without question. But if you look at the responses in this thread, as well as elsewhere online, that should give you a good idea of the interest that exists.


For comparison, Biden SOTU was 38 million. This was half. That means people arent interested.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:18 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

You got evidence or is this an opinion? How about most people dont care at all, in fact this TV show was less seen than the Trump impeachment trials.


The Trump impeachment trials had about 9 to 11M viewers. So the Jan 6th hearing was at least double that number.

Streaming and delayed views are not tracked directly, and the public service PBS/C-Span/Congressional numbers are on a different reporting cycle than the commercial networks, so are not included. Also when you have only 25% of viewers under 55 getting their service from TV, they are obviously using online services.

I'm comfortable with estimates I gave. Given your many other posts here, I wouldn't expect you to accept those facts. You believe that people are not interested because that's what you've been told to believe, which you accept without question. But if you look at the responses in this thread, as well as elsewhere online, that should give you a good idea of the interest that exists.


For comparison, Biden SOTU was 38 million. This was half. That means people arent interested.


Keep telling yourself that. Still won't be true though.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:31 am

af773atmsp wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

The Trump impeachment trials had about 9 to 11M viewers. So the Jan 6th hearing was at least double that number.

Streaming and delayed views are not tracked directly, and the public service PBS/C-Span/Congressional numbers are on a different reporting cycle than the commercial networks, so are not included. Also when you have only 25% of viewers under 55 getting their service from TV, they are obviously using online services.

I'm comfortable with estimates I gave. Given your many other posts here, I wouldn't expect you to accept those facts. You believe that people are not interested because that's what you've been told to believe, which you accept without question. But if you look at the responses in this thread, as well as elsewhere online, that should give you a good idea of the interest that exists.


For comparison, Biden SOTU was 38 million. This was half. That means people arent interested.


Keep telling yourself that. Still won't be true though.


If you leave the bubbles, and talk to people outside the internet, most people did not even know about the show trials.

Turns out people have bills to pay, $5 dollar per galon gas they are more worried about real life issues than January 6th. Outside of the liberal bubbles no one cares, but keep believing they do, that may give liberals hope that Americans can be distracted from this disastrous administration and how inflation is worse today for more than 40 years.

But if Americans do care, then Novembers election is a referndum on if they really care. If Democrats lose I hope that would settle it, but I doubt it because the only thing they can run on is Jan 6th.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:52 am

If there is any hope for Democrats to avoid a big loss in the midterms, it's this. (That is assuming that Trump and everyone else involved is convicted and arrested before the election.

And of course March for Our Lives, Roe vs Wade.
But I won't say anything more about that as that would be deviating from the OP's topic.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:04 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

For comparison, Biden SOTU was 38 million. This was half. That means people arent interested.


Keep telling yourself that. Still won't be true though.


If you leave the bubbles, and talk to people outside the internet, most people did not even know about the show trials.

Turns out people have bills to pay, $5 dollar per galon gas they are more worried about real life issues than January 6th. Outside of the liberal bubbles no one cares, but keep believing they do, that may give liberals hope that Americans can be distracted from this disastrous administration and how inflation is worse today for more than 40 years.

But if Americans do care, then Novembers election is a referndum on if they really care. If Democrats lose I hope that would settle it, but I doubt it because the only thing they can run on is Jan 6th.


I would hope you realize that you are repeating the line of propaganda from Fox News, that no one should watch, and therefore no one is watching.

And that you also realize the very good reason for them to push that agenda, as the hearing demolishes their defense of what occurred on Jan 6. There's a reason why they don't want you seeing that, or thinking objectively about it. And why they were careful to provide no actual coverage, while dispensing their (and your) opinion in place of facts.

But the fact remains that Fox was the only network that did this, and the other networks that had actual coverage, all beat Fox in the ratings. So you are following their misinformation again.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/january-6- ... 1235042839
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:28 am

Avatar2go wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
af773atmsp wrote:

Keep telling yourself that. Still won't be true though.


If you leave the bubbles, and talk to people outside the internet, most people did not even know about the show trials.

Turns out people have bills to pay, $5 dollar per galon gas they are more worried about real life issues than January 6th. Outside of the liberal bubbles no one cares, but keep believing they do, that may give liberals hope that Americans can be distracted from this disastrous administration and how inflation is worse today for more than 40 years.

But if Americans do care, then Novembers election is a referndum on if they really care. If Democrats lose I hope that would settle it, but I doubt it because the only thing they can run on is Jan 6th.


I would hope you realize that you are repeating the line of propaganda from Fox News, that no one should watch, and therefore no one is watching.

And that you also realize the very good reason for them to push that agenda, as the hearing demolishes their defense of what occurred on Jan 6. There's a reason why they don't want you seeing that, or thinking objectively about it. And why they were careful to provide no actual coverage, while dispensing their (and your) opinion in place of facts.

But the fact remains that Fox was the only network that did this, and the other networks that had actual coverage, all beat Fox in the ratings. So you are following their misinformation again.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/january-6- ... 1235042839


Not repeating any 'propaganda' as I don't watch any TV.

I am basing my opinion on facts. 38 million tuned into Biden's SOTU, whereas 19 million tuned to the Jan6th hearing.

If only half of people who watched the SOTU saw the hearing, its because, yes no one cared and no one is interested.

I did not see Biden's SOTU nor anyone I know, and I know some Democrats, and despite that, it had double amount of viewers.

People who wanted to see the garbage show trial, they could have if they wanted, it was in all TV channels, despite that, 19 million viewers. That's a huge huge failure. No other way to spin it.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:37 am

How exactly is 19 million "no one"? That's almost 6% of the U.S. population, and that doesn't include people watching it later on YouTube like myself. The full hearing on YouTube posted by PBS and ABC have a combined 1.1 million views and counting.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:46 am

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How exactly is 19 million "no one"? That's almost 6% of the U.S. population, and that doesn't include people watching it later on YouTube like myself. The full hearing on YouTube posted by PBS and ABC have a combined 1.1 million views and counting.


Lets put it into context of similar airings.

Trump's first SOTU got 43 million viewers.

Biden's first SOTU got 38 million viewers.

Obama's first got 52 million, though at that time there wasn't much streaming going on, in 2011 he got 43 million.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/media/ra ... index.html

So this so much hyped and 'talked about' hearing only got 19 million viewers. That's half of an usual highly coveted highly anticipated prime time live political event. That's not good if you really believe that people are interested in this. And SOTU's aren't a thing people are much interested anyways, no matter the president.

If you want to feel good thinking people are interested in this, then so be it. Come November and Democrats lose horribly you will understand why no one was interested in real life, outside of the bubbles and outside of the regular partisans following these things.
 
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:09 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:

Not repeating any 'propaganda' as I don't watch any TV.

I am basing my opinion on facts. 38 million tuned into Biden's SOTU, whereas 19 million tuned to the Jan6th hearing.

If only half of people who watched the SOTU saw the hearing, its because, yes no one cared and no one is interested.

I did not see Biden's SOTU nor anyone I know, and I know some Democrats, and despite that, it had double amount of viewers.

People who wanted to see the garbage show trial, they could have if they wanted, it was in all TV channels, despite that, 19 million viewers. That's a huge huge failure. No other way to spin it.


Lol, if you don't watch TV, why are you arguing viewership as representative of interest?

Since you don't watch TV, let me educate you a bit. The average prime-time viewership for any given show is 4.7M viewers, counting the following 3 days of delayed viewership. The peak is around 12M, excluding special events such as the Superbowl and the SOTU. The average Fox viewership is around 3.2M, which matched their non-coverage of the Jan 6 hearing.

Therefore 20M is a big number by any standard. And that is just the first day total, not including streaming minutes, which are likely to be also large, as I mentioned.

A special event like the SOTU has more viewership. But more than half that number for this hearing is still pretty good. A better comparison would be the 2016 Presidential debates, which were the all time high debate viewership. Those averaged 28M viewers.

Bottom line, there is a lot of interest, by any measure.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:13 am

I see that proudly low information voters, as Trump loved to call them, are waffling on about viewing figures or something. Anything to avoid the events themselves eh?
Including Britney Spears wannabe stalker piping up.
What are you also scared of? I mean beyond your background level of paranoia that is?
A lot of the ‘cops can never do any wrong’ (as long as it’s against non white people) mob are very quiet on this as regards the attacks and serious injuries on the officers on Jan 6th. Funny that, well expected given the root of US right wing paranoia that’s always been racial maybe not funny at all.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:57 pm

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For comparison, Biden SOTU was 38 million. This was half. That means people arent interested.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Deflect much?

Lost your game of trying to prove something that was wrong so you go straight to "oh yeah, well what about..." I'm guessing you'll be bringin up Hilary next... (oh wait, someone already did, noting how she at least had the balls to appear and stand up, unlike gutless others. That woman, can't stand her much but she has more balls than those gutless others..
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Deflection, ever a losers best friend.

Tugg
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:17 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks like roughly 6x as many people tuned into the Final Episode of M*A*S*H compared to the tune in numbers of the first night of the Kangaroo Jan 6 Committee.


Tells us all we need to know.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:20 pm

My only hope for the outcome of these hearings is that enough Republicans realize what a pathetic loser Trump is and if he were to decide to run in 2024, he doesn't get the nomination. It would be better if he were rotting in a jail cell somewhere but that won't happen. I'd like to have a reasonable choice come 2024 as I think the current administration is, shall we say, less than ideal. I wasn't thrilled about voting for Biden in 2020 but the alternative was 4 more years of a wannabe dictator who is as clueless about how to run a country as he was about how to treat a virus (remember him suggesting people be injected with bleach?). I am not beholden to either party, so have no issue voting for a candidate of either one if they are moderates
 
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:51 pm

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My only hope for the outcome of these hearings is that enough Republicans realize what a pathetic loser Trump is and if he were to decide to run in 2024, he doesn't get the nomination. It would be better if he were rotting in a jail cell somewhere but that won't happen. I'd like to have a reasonable choice come 2024 as I think the current administration is, shall we say, less than ideal. I wasn't thrilled about voting for Biden in 2020 but the alternative was 4 more years of a wannabe dictator who is as clueless about how to run a country as he was about how to treat a virus (remember him suggesting people be injected with bleach?). I am not beholden to either party, so have no issue voting for a candidate of either one if they are moderates

The only part of me that would enjoy a Trump 2024 run is to see what would happen with DeSantis, who's clearly become quite full of himself: will it be a dog fight, or will DeSantis hand over his cojones like Ted Cruz and scamper back to Tallahassee.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:08 pm

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Outside of the liberal bubbles no one cares, but keep believing they do


The most powerful political figure in the world, when outvoted, tried to steal an election while accusing the rightful winner of doing the same. In doing so he committed crimes, appeared sympathetic to say the least in his number 2 being murdered and still bleats on about "the steal" to this day.

You'd better believe there are people all over the world interested in this.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:42 pm

Lets not forget many won't spend the time watching the full live presentation but read articles on the web or see TV evening or morning news programs for key excerpts.

The next televised hearing is on Monday, June 13th, at 10 AM -EDT. At least 6 televised live sessions will be held, the 2nd onward during daytime hours. They could be subject to change if other major events occur, like the pending US Supreme Court opinion in the case expected to reverse or limit Roe v. Wade.

These hearings are the beginning of the end of their work which will be a written report on events, likely referral to the DOJ of Trump on down for criminal prosecution and proposals for Congressional legislation to prevent another such danger to Presidential elections and our Constitutional Republic.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:08 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

Since for you 'truth is very important' care to cite with evidence that capital police died as a result of the riot?

And no, based on evidence and official statements, the capitol police officer who died after the riot, died from natural causes https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

So, for someone who cars so much about the 'truth' you seem very intent in spreading at the very least, misinformation.


Why read selectively and misinform, when you can actually provide the truth from the article you linked?

Yes, the officer's precise cause of death was likely a preexisting condition. But the trigger for that condition becoming fatal was also likely the prolonged encounter with rioters and high stress of that event. Anyone with an ounce of critical thinking or medical knowledge can make that connection:

Diaz’s ruling does not mean Sicknick was not assaulted or that the violent events at the Capitol did not contribute to his death. The medical examiner noted Sicknick was among the officers who engaged the mob and said “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”

The Capitol Police said in its statement that the ruling “does not change the fact Officer Brian Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol.” The agency said it will “never forget Officer Sicknick’s bravery, nor the bravery of any officer on January 6, who risked their lives to defend our democracy.”


There is no evidence he died as a result of the riot. In any case, if you believe this was a reason for his death, very likely someone would have been charged for his death.

You can't change the facts based on feelings, he did not die because of the riot, that's the official result. The rest is speculation driven by a narrative.

The only person who died as a result of this riot was an unarmed woman who was shot in the neck. That was the only person who died, and at the hands of law enforcement, not rioters.



That loon got what she deserved
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:49 pm

If you want to feel good thinking people are interested in this, then so be it. Come November and Democrats lose horribly you will understand why no one was interested in real life, outside of the bubbles and outside of the regular partisans following these things.[/quote]

I guess you prefer to live in your bubble where Trump won the election and there was a vast conspiracy to steal it from him. The bubble where the only free and fair elections are where the Republicans win. Yep, the Republicans will probably win in November and that will be the last free and fair election this country will ever have. Watching the hearings, which I am sure you did not, we are seeing the depths the Republicans will go to steal an election. But people like you don't care. Just as long as you win.
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:52 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Lets not forget many won't spend the time watching the full live presentation but read articles on the web or see TV evening or morning news programs for key excerpts.

The next televised hearing is on Monday, June 13th, at 10 AM -EDT. At least 6 televised live sessions will be held, the 2nd onward during daytime hours. They could be subject to change if other major events occur, like the pending US Supreme Court opinion in the case expected to reverse or limit Roe v. Wade.

These hearings are the beginning of the end of their work which will be a written report on events, likely referral to the DOJ of Trump on down for criminal prosecution and proposals for Congressional legislation to prevent another such danger to Presidential elections and our Constitutional Republic.


I think they definitely need to amend the law to prevent something like this from happening again. There needs to be clarification of the rules about states nominating multiple slated of electors. Also they need to clarify the rules about the authority of the VP in the certification process.

In this case, Pence and Congress did the right thing, by ignoring the alternate slates of electors. But had they not, there would have been a legal quagmire.

It's something the founding fathers did not foresee, that a sitting President would attempt an end run around the legal vote, by leveraging state officials and legislatures of the same party. At the time the Constitution was written, states were fiercely independent. That level of conspiracy was unthinkable. Today you have nationwide parties working in concert, with state and federal elected officials each enhancing and trying to maintain the power of the other.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:02 pm

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The only person who died as a result of this riot was an unarmed woman who was shot in the neck.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

If only she'd followed the instructions of the officer.

[cue playing the World's smallest violin]
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:40 am

Republicans playing Republican games again. Distract and change the subject to they can move the goal posts and claim victory.

THE RATINGS WERE LOW!!! WE WON!!!

Not the point. The point is: MAGA tried to overthrow the government and install a monarchy. We had a war about this in the late 1700s. Stick to the facts. No one cares about ratings. A coup was attempted. They wanted Pence and Pelosi hanged for following the rule of law. Police officers (BACK THE BLUE!!! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!) were injured and murdered.

But, the ratings.....
 
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Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:04 am

CHING CHING CHING…… THIS

The most powerful political figure in the world, when outvoted, tried to steal an election while accusing the rightful winner of doing the same. In doing so he committed crimes, appeared sympathetic to say the least in his number 2 being murdered and still bleats on about "the steal" to this day.

You'd better believe there are people all over the world interested in this.


The USA use to be looked upon, or perceived as the beacon of democracy around the world, well not anymore. As a expat whose has lived abroad for more then two decades I can testify to the fact about how the world watches, reacts, comments on the happenings in the US. I’ve experienced enough BBQs while listening to people bang on about you guys. The world wonders, and collectively shake their heads..
 
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Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:25 am

seb146 wrote:
Republicans playing Republican games again. Distract and change the subject to they can move the goal posts and claim victory.

THE RATINGS WERE LOW!!! WE WON!!!

Not the point. The point is: MAGA tried to overthrow the government and install a monarchy. We had a war about this in the late 1700s. Stick to the facts. No one cares about ratings. A coup was attempted. They wanted Pence and Pelosi hanged for following the rule of law. Police officers (BACK THE BLUE!!! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!) were injured and murdered.

But, the ratings.....

Pretty sad, eh?

Just watching FOX "News" on their take of the hearings, mind numbing idiocracy.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:25 am

ACDC8 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Republicans playing Republican games again. Distract and change the subject to they can move the goal posts and claim victory.

THE RATINGS WERE LOW!!! WE WON!!!

Not the point. The point is: MAGA tried to overthrow the government and install a monarchy. We had a war about this in the late 1700s. Stick to the facts. No one cares about ratings. A coup was attempted. They wanted Pence and Pelosi hanged for following the rule of law. Police officers (BACK THE BLUE!!! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!) were injured and murdered.

But, the ratings.....

Pretty sad, eh?

Just watching FOX "News" on their take of the hearings, mind numbing idiocracy.


Fox news is a Foreign owned company with HQ in NYC. That is all you need to know about their interest in "conservative" America. The folks that watch it and believe it are not among the best and brightest in any organization I have been a part of.

Fox news is going to ignore any threat to their bread and butter Fear and Hate programming.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:21 pm

seb146 wrote:
Republicans playing Republican games again. Distract and change the subject to they can move the goal posts and claim victory.

THE RATINGS WERE LOW!!! WE WON!!!

Not the point. The point is: MAGA tried to overthrow the government and install a monarchy. We had a war about this in the late 1700s. Stick to the facts. No one cares about ratings. A coup was attempted. They wanted Pence and Pelosi hanged for following the rule of law. Police officers (BACK THE BLUE!!! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!!) were injured and murdered.

But, the ratings.....


Yes, this seems to be the perceived weakness that they have latched onto in the wake of the hearing. We told you not to watch, and no one did watch, so we were right. That ratings argument is now ubiquitous across the Internet. But is yet another misdirection from the truth that was exposed in the hearings.

"Don't Look Up!"

Another common factor is that when this argument and its origins are pointed out, many of the proponents claim that they don't watch Fox News. Despite the fact that their arguments and statistics track almost word for word.

As I told one such person, I've graded enough homework to know that duplication of error is a sure sign of copying.
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:23 pm

Virtual737 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Outside of the liberal bubbles no one cares, but keep believing they do


The most powerful political figure in the world, when outvoted, tried to steal an election while accusing the rightful winner of doing the same. In doing so he committed crimes, appeared sympathetic to say the least in his number 2 being murdered and still bleats on about "the steal" to this day.

You'd better believe there are people all over the world interested in this.


No, they really don’t care and you’re deluding yourself.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-harry- ... years/amp/

“CNN’s Harry Enten predicted Republicans will walk away from the November midterms with a huge majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and argued the party is in its best midterm position in more than 80 years.”
 
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Re: January 6 Committee public presentations and hearings

Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:39 pm

Isn't that the crux of the matter? There's no sin that can't be rationalized, justified, or overlooked as long as Republicans keep winning. Keep at it. You'll be defending Trump shooting a man on Fifth Avenue soon enough - just like he said you would.
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