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Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:22 pm

The stupidification of (large parts of) the United States continues at full speed:

In 2015, Texas attracted attention when it was discovered a social studies textbook approved for use in the state called African slaves who were brought to the United States, “workers”

In this case, the group proposing these second grade curriculum revisions was given a copy of Senate Bill 3, Texas’ law that dictates how slavery and issues of race are taught in Texas. The law states that slavery can’t be taught as part of the true founding of the United States and that slavery was nothing more than a deviation from American values.

Part of the proposed social studies curriculum standards outlines that students should “compare journeys to America, including voluntary Irish immigration and involuntary relocation of African people during colonial times.”

This process comes as the state’s public education system has become heavily politicized, from lawmakers passing legislation on how race and slavery should be taught in schools to conservative political action committees pouring large amounts of money to put more conservatives on school boards who promise to get rid of curriculum and programs they consider divisive and make white children feel bad.

Gov. Greg Abbott and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick have made parental rights a priority as they both seek reelection in November. Patrick has also vowed to push for a “Don’t Say Gay” bill in Texas, mirroring Florida’s conservative push to limit classroom discussions about LGBTQ people.


https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30 ... elocation/
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:53 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
The stupidification of (large parts of) the United States continues at full speed:

In 2015, Texas attracted attention when it was discovered a social studies textbook approved for use in the state called African slaves who were brought to the United States, “workers”

In this case, the group proposing these second grade curriculum revisions was given a copy of Senate Bill 3, Texas’ law that dictates how slavery and issues of race are taught in Texas. The law states that slavery can’t be taught as part of the true founding of the United States and that slavery was nothing more than a deviation from American values.

Part of the proposed social studies curriculum standards outlines that students should “compare journeys to America, including voluntary Irish immigration and involuntary relocation of African people during colonial times.”

This process comes as the state’s public education system has become heavily politicized, from lawmakers passing legislation on how race and slavery should be taught in schools to conservative political action committees pouring large amounts of money to put more conservatives on school boards who promise to get rid of curriculum and programs they consider divisive and make white children feel bad.

Gov. Greg Abbott and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick have made parental rights a priority as they both seek reelection in November. Patrick has also vowed to push for a “Don’t Say Gay” bill in Texas, mirroring Florida’s conservative push to limit classroom discussions about LGBTQ people.


https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30 ... elocation/


Texas will need a bigger rug to sweep all these inconvenient truths under.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:45 pm

Given developments like this one above, starting from last week forced births, as well as the recently published Protocols of Texas, oh I mean, the Texas GOP platform... Why don't we just skip all these formalities and fast forward to the book-burning and the arm patches part?
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 pm

Surely even in Texas workers get paid.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:46 pm

I guess Texas will be rewriting the Alamo story as the involuntary loss to Mexico.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:45 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Surely even in Texas workers get paid.

Corporate profits would be a lot higher if they didn't, though.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:05 pm

Good job Texas! We have always been at war with Eastasia.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:33 am

Sorry to say...or as a German, I will not any more say sorry as it is not acceptable any more.
Do we see here the 100% pure NAZIsm? This is already far beyond of what is "conservative".
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:45 am

What will happen to existing books that don't comply with the proposed new policies ? Will those books be burned ?
I'm looking forward to the reaction from non-GOP groups... I think I shall need a lot of popcorn
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:48 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
What will happen to existing books that don't comply with the proposed new policies ? Will those books be burned ?


Texas has already gone on a book banning spree removing anything dealing with diverse race or LGBT content from schools:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... -rcna13886

I'm looking forward to the reaction from non-GOP groups... I think I shall need a lot of popcorn


You won't need much popcorn at all. Republicans control the Texas legislature, the Governor, and recently won big in a lot of school board elections. When winning those elections Republicans said it was because parents were sick of "left wing garbage" being taught in schools:

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/11 ... elections/

So there's little hope of any sense being brought back to Texas in the near future
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:38 pm

T4thH wrote:
Sorry to say...or as a German, I will not any more say sorry as it is not acceptable any more.
Do we see here the 100% pure NAZIsm? This is already far beyond of what is "conservative".

No, the nazi's had worker protection, social security, free eductation (for those with the "correct" ethnics).
Socialism was part of the nazi rule. Totalitarian nationalistic socialism (for the "right" ethnics) also is the model for most of the European far right.

Conservative USA is more leaning to totalitarian nationalistic religious fundamentalism. IS-style.
 
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Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:49 am

CometII wrote:
Given developments like this one above, starting from last week forced births, as well as the recently published Protocols of Texas, oh I mean, the Texas GOP platform... Why don't we just skip all these formalities and fast forward to the book-burning and the arm patches part?



Burning witches won’t be too far off with these nuts.
 
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Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:52 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
What will happen to existing books that don't comply with the proposed new policies ? Will those books be burned ?


Texas has already gone on a book banning spree removing anything dealing with diverse race or LGBT content from schools:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... -rcna13886

I'm looking forward to the reaction from non-GOP groups... I think I shall need a lot of popcorn


You won't need much popcorn at all. Republicans control the Texas legislature, the Governor, and recently won big in a lot of school board elections. When winning those elections Republicans said it was because parents were sick of "left wing garbage" being taught in schools:

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/11 ... elections/

So there's little hope of any sense being brought back to Texas in the near future



“Left wing garbage” A.K.A. Truth
 
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Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:32 am

Jalap wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Sorry to say...or as a German, I will not any more say sorry as it is not acceptable any more.
Do we see here the 100% pure NAZIsm? This is already far beyond of what is "conservative".

No, the nazi's had worker protection, social security, free eductation (for those with the "correct" ethnics).
Socialism was part of the nazi rule. Totalitarian nationalistic socialism (for the "right" ethnics) also is the model for most of the European far right.

Conservative USA is more leaning to totalitarian nationalistic religious fundamentalism. IS-style.


National Socialist German Workers' Party is aka Nazi Party
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:25 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
What will happen to existing books that don't comply with the proposed new policies ? Will those books be burned ?


Texas has already gone on a book banning spree removing anything dealing with diverse race or LGBT content from schools:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... -rcna13886

I'm looking forward to the reaction from non-GOP groups... I think I shall need a lot of popcorn


You won't need much popcorn at all. Republicans control the Texas legislature, the Governor, and recently won big in a lot of school board elections. When winning those elections Republicans said it was because parents were sick of "left wing garbage" being taught in schools:

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/11 ... elections/

So there's little hope of any sense being brought back to Texas in the near future


"Inappropriate" for *all* grade levels?

It looks like either these Katy ISD idiots either forgot that every high school senior is considered an adult under their state's laws, or they're trying to force gay students back into the closet or cleanse them from the district. I am assuming the latter.

I hope the feds will start looking into the actions taken and their aftermath in this shithole district like they did with the Anoka Hennepin suicide crisis.
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:07 am

I dislike this level of conservative political correctness being injected into education also, and these attempts bear scrutiny to be sure; however it’s worth pointing out that this was just one of many proposals submitted to the Board and one they sent back with revisions specifically targeting that idiotic language:

“The suggested change surfaced late during its June 15 meeting that lasted more than 12 hours. Board member Aicha Davis, a Democrat who represents Dallas and Fort Worth, brought up concerns to the board saying that wording is not a “fair representation” of the slave trade. The board, upon reading the language in the suggested curriculum, sent the working draft back for revision.

“For K-2, carefully examine the language used to describe events, specifically the term ‘involuntary relocation,’” the state board wrote in its guidance to the work group.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30 ... elocation/
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:09 pm

Homicide and genocide will now offically be classed as involuntary death!
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:08 pm

Huh....I wonder how they will explain away the causes of the Civil War?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:52 am

When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:47 am

The best way would be to give some of those educators practical lessons about "involuntary relocation" so they can learn about it through first hand experience. That's the best way to get them up to speed with what they are supposed to be teaching. Theory is one thing, practical knowledge better.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:03 am

bhill wrote:
Huh....I wonder how they will explain away the causes of the Civil War?

Involuntary difference of opinion?
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:28 am

cpd wrote:
The best way would be to give some of those educators practical lessons about "involuntary relocation" so they can learn about it through first hand experience. That's the best way to get them up to speed with what they are supposed to be teaching. Theory is one thing, practical knowledge better.


It's really the administrators and senators who need to be "involuntarily relocated".
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:29 am

bhill wrote:
Huh....I wonder how they will explain away the causes of the Civil War?

Which one? The first Civil War or the upcoming one… :-/
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:34 am

What about APWTTWBAEUIA?






….


African People who took the wrong bus and ended up in America. ;-)

Involuntary relocation is for me what happens when you see a Tornado coming into your direction and you choose to stay where you are, just saying.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:09 pm

Perfect time to involuntarily round up a bunch of you know who types, Chain them up to some auction blocks, and proceed to sell them off. Then along the way whip and beat the piss outa them, maybe even rape a few too. Maybe then, just maybe they’ll change their minds. I am sure most won’t mind helping out with a educational experiment, after all they are scholars.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:34 pm

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When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.


Not clear how it would be better if the North had lost.

Perhaps the national government would be in Texas.
 
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Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:01 pm

bennett123 wrote:
victrola wrote:
When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.


Not clear how it would be better if the North had lost.

Perhaps the national government would be in Texas.


I thought the Confederate Congress met in Montgomery and, later, Richmond? I doubt they would have the capitol in Texas.

I do think you are on to something, though. Let the South secede again. I know I bring this up a lot, but it seems to be the only solution. Let the MAGAs have their own country and let the rest of us keep the United States. They can have their slavery, no health care, no education, no minimum wage, no OSHA, no taxes (which means no road repair) no EPA.... And they can keep the debt their states have racked up.
 
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Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:06 am

victrola wrote:
When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.


Tbh I don’t see how the US can remain united, the disparities between states are massive, what’s the point in keeping united when 2/3 new successor countries would make more sense.
 
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Kiwirob wrote:
victrola wrote:
When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.


Tbh I don’t see how the US can remain united, the disparities between states are massive, what’s the point in keeping united when 2/3 new successor countries would make more sense.


The disparities are not that great among the masses. Of course there are the extremes on both sides, but they are the small minority. The disparities are driven by the media (all sides) to sell ads. Most Americans are tolerant of all walks of life, contrary to what you read hear and in the news.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:48 pm

Is K2 kindergarten ? Is slavery really taught at that age ?

BTW subtle "indoctrination" might work, but lying to kids like that, in the era of internet, will only make them think adults are just, well, lying.
 
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Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:58 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
victrola wrote:
When I see the attitudes of the people in the southern United States, I really wish that the North had lost the civil war so that we would not have to be in the same country with them. Slavery is evil and the South's excuses for slavery or "involuntary relocation" are evil.


Tbh I don’t see how the US can remain united, the disparities between states are massive, what’s the point in keeping united when 2/3 new successor countries would make more sense.


The disparities are not that great among the masses. Of course there are the extremes on both sides, but they are the small minority. The disparities are driven by the media (all sides) to sell ads. Most Americans are tolerant of all walks of life, contrary to what you read hear and in the news.


IMO the US is rapidly Balkanising
 
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Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:07 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

Tbh I don’t see how the US can remain united, the disparities between states are massive, what’s the point in keeping united when 2/3 new successor countries would make more sense.


The disparities are not that great among the masses. Of course there are the extremes on both sides, but they are the small minority. The disparities are driven by the media (all sides) to sell ads. Most Americans are tolerant of all walks of life, contrary to what you read hear and in the news.


IMO the US is rapidly Balkanising


There have always been regions differences. After all the US is republic of 50 "independent" states. Most laws in US are state laws. It's making the news because of the power struggle in DC.
 
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Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

The disparities are not that great among the masses. Of course there are the extremes on both sides, but they are the small minority. The disparities are driven by the media (all sides) to sell ads. Most Americans are tolerant of all walks of life, contrary to what you read hear and in the news.


IMO the US is rapidly Balkanising


There have always been regions differences. After all the US is republic of 50 "independent" states. Most laws in US are state laws. It's making the news because of the power struggle in DC.


It's making the news because it is a stupid idea in state that came up with a stupid law to criminalize those that would fight for equal rights.

These ideas need to be made fun of because they are that dumb. There is good and bad in the world, and "both siding" it does not do justice to truly horrific events, and this story out of Texas is one of the most base examples of why the anti-crt laws are such a load of stupidity.
 
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Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:33 pm

casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

IMO the US is rapidly Balkanising


There have always been regions differences. After all the US is republic of 50 "independent" states. Most laws in US are state laws. It's making the news because of the power struggle in DC.


It's making the news because it is a stupid idea in state that came up with a stupid law to criminalize those that would fight for equal rights.

These ideas need to be made fun of because they are that dumb. There is good and bad in the world, and "both siding" it does not do justice to truly horrific events, and this story out of Texas is one of the most base examples of why the anti-crt laws are such a load of stupidity.


Reread what we are talking about. This is not about the stupid "involuntary relocation" crap in Texas. This is about the division in the US.
 
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bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

There have always been regions differences. After all the US is republic of 50 "independent" states. Most laws in US are state laws. It's making the news because of the power struggle in DC.


It's making the news because it is a stupid idea in state that came up with a stupid law to criminalize those that would fight for equal rights.

These ideas need to be made fun of because they are that dumb. There is good and bad in the world, and "both siding" it does not do justice to truly horrific events, and this story out of Texas is one of the most base examples of why the anti-crt laws are such a load of stupidity.


Reread what we are talking about. This is not about the stupid "involuntary relocation" crap in Texas. This is about the division in the US.


you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.
 
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casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

It's making the news because it is a stupid idea in state that came up with a stupid law to criminalize those that would fight for equal rights.

These ideas need to be made fun of because they are that dumb. There is good and bad in the world, and "both siding" it does not do justice to truly horrific events, and this story out of Texas is one of the most base examples of why the anti-crt laws are such a load of stupidity.


Reread what we are talking about. This is not about the stupid "involuntary relocation" crap in Texas. This is about the division in the US.


you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.
 
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bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

Reread what we are talking about. This is not about the stupid "involuntary relocation" crap in Texas. This is about the division in the US.


you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.



The reason it is all over the news is because it is a very bad and stupid idea. It flies in the face of very real horrors of imprisoning people for what they look like, ripping them from their homes, and transporting them across an ocean with bad behaviors of ownership , that had everything to do with being cheap , evil and abusive, and nothing to do with an :"involuntary relocation" .
Do you know why the GOP laws are bad,. They don't come from local issues. They come from rubber stamped legal houses designed to make national issues into local issues. Anti-CRT does not affect "local issues" it is a revenge racism based at the national level. "Anti Woke" is not a local issue. it is a mantra from the national RNC to turn back in local issues affecting an individual community. "Anti-Abortion" is not a personal issue. It is a national issue to force medical decisions on individuals.

Don't sit there and talk about local laws when all the right wing :National broadcasts hawk the "heritage foundation " and other national projects as a tonic for the ills of the GOP.

I support rational thought which aligns more with the democrats , than the current group think of nationalized republican party ideas.
 
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bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

Reread what we are talking about. This is not about the stupid "involuntary relocation" crap in Texas. This is about the division in the US.


you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:19 pm

seb146 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.



Once again the comment was a general comment between me and another poster about THE GENERAL DISCORD in the US. Again, the 'involuntary relocation" thing is dumb, nothing else to say., but we were not talking about that specifically. Yes, the politics in DC is a big part of the discord. I never blamed the liberals, I blamed all of DC (hint, that's both parties).
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:28 am

seb146 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.


If this isn't balkanisation then what is?
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:36 am

seb146 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

you are the one talking about a power struggle in DC. DC is not where the issue is. The issue starts locally with bad ideas by bad people, and this whole Topic is a result of a bad law by very bad politicians. You want to talk about the divide in the US, it is because very dumb people claim allegiance to a political party rather than to ideas that make America better.


The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.


The great satire Veep, in the final season post Trump, had to ramp up the madness of the satire to keep up with the racist moron wing of the GOP becoming ever more powerful, with a receptive audience of idiots especially in certain states, here is just the candidate for you on here defending this nonsense;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embMAtagQiU

(I think that in 2017/18 when this season was written the writers did not think real GOP crazy would catch up quite so soon).
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:02 am

Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.


If this isn't balkanisation then what is?


What I am saying is that its nothing new. Certain states and parts of the country have always been at odds with other parts or states, heck we even fought a civil war over the differences.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:21 am

bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:

TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.


If this isn't balkanisation then what is?


What I am saying is that its nothing new. Certain states and parts of the country have always been at odds with other parts or states, heck we even fought a civil war over the differences.


The problem being, that the traitors got what you could later call a '1918' moment with Germany, better if it had been more like a '1945' moment.
The former allowed them to fester and believe 'stab in the back', or 'we could have carried on but for....' fantasies, blaming for them the 'usual suspects', the Confederates had theirs.
Post 1945 the Swastika was banned in Germany, it's US counterpart never has been. Neither was the entire political structure that made them possible dismantled as in Germany.
You did not get monuments to Nazi generals and assorted war criminals going up in post war Germany, much less 100 years later as in the US.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:23 pm

GDB wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

If this isn't balkanisation then what is?


What I am saying is that its nothing new. Certain states and parts of the country have always been at odds with other parts or states, heck we even fought a civil war over the differences.


The problem being, that the traitors got what you could later call a '1918' moment with Germany, better if it had been more like a '1945' moment.
The former allowed them to fester and believe 'stab in the back', or 'we could have carried on but for....' fantasies, blaming for them the 'usual suspects', the Confederates had theirs.
Post 1945 the Swastika was banned in Germany, it's US counterpart never has been. Neither was the entire political structure that made them possible dismantled as in Germany.
You did not get monuments to Nazi generals and assorted war criminals going up in post war Germany, much less 100 years later as in the US.


That has nothing to do with the conversation we are having. I guess its why the mods don't want threads to go off topic, it causes a little confusion. That is my bad.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:34 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
GDB wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

What I am saying is that its nothing new. Certain states and parts of the country have always been at odds with other parts or states, heck we even fought a civil war over the differences.


The problem being, that the traitors got what you could later call a '1918' moment with Germany, better if it had been more like a '1945' moment.
The former allowed them to fester and believe 'stab in the back', or 'we could have carried on but for....' fantasies, blaming for them the 'usual suspects', the Confederates had theirs.
Post 1945 the Swastika was banned in Germany, it's US counterpart never has been. Neither was the entire political structure that made them possible dismantled as in Germany.
You did not get monuments to Nazi generals and assorted war criminals going up in post war Germany, much less 100 years later as in the US.


That has nothing to do with the conversation we are having. I guess its why the mods don't want threads to go off topic, it causes a little confusion. That is my bad.


It’s just comparing outcomes in two different nations, the folly of not when faced with an existential threat as the Civil War US was, finishing the job.
I thought the parallels were obvious.
This is fueling the whole attempt to rewrite history, ban books (guess who else did that?), roll back voting rights.
Trying to ‘re win’ the Civil War.
 
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Re: Texas educators have proposed that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation"

Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:16 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
seb146 wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

The reason its all over the news is because of the power struggle, which is centered in DC. This topic notwithstanding, not all ideas are bad, You think ideas that you don't agree with are bad, but that doesn't mean they are, they just might be different. Each area has rules, regulations and laws unique to the area which includes the prevalent (democratic) opinion on that area. Why should someone in Mississippi be bound by the opinion of someone in California? Outside of Federal issues (which in my opinion have been too greatly expanded), the rules are up to the residents of each state. As for allegiance to political parties, you seem to pretty much defend the Dems no matter what.


TEXAS board of education is trying to push this. Not the feds. FLORIDA is also pushing similar teaching with their "math is woke" textbooks. Not the feds. But, let's take your "argument" farther. Why should someone in Dallas or Houston be bound by the same opinion as people in Amarillo or El Paso? The TEXAS board of education made this call. Stop trying to blame "liberals" and the federal government. This is TEXAS conservatives. TEXAS Republicans.


If this isn't balkanisation then what is?


So, states' rights is bad? I thought it was good? Or is it fluid, depending on what Republicans want?

All I am saying is the federal government sets minimum standards for education. States can work within those guidelines in their own states. Like states teaching "woke" theories like trans people are people and slavery is bad or states teaching that trans people are sick and slavery was simply forced relocation and not that bad at all. That's all I am saying.

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