Get off your high horse; it’s the disruption to trade from rUK to NI that are the main drivers to divisions not trade from rUK to ROI.
Remember its part of the Protocol for unfettered access for Northern Ireland businesses to the UK market. That is a direct result of the protocol not Brexit.
But what you are really saying is that Brussels is still so aggrieved that the UK actually had the audacity to leave the EU.
No, I’m saying “No Brexit” = “No NI issues”, unfettered trade access or otherwise.
While reminding you that there is no cross/community support for Brexit in NI either.
BoJo created those issues with his decision to go with a hard Brexit.
Who is rewriting history?
Are you saying that Cameron didn’t say that and was a figment of my imagination and he was wrong?
A vast number of people had there say during the campaign with varying opinions and conjecture or are you saying people only listened to Hannan a, strawman’s argument.
It comes down to who had the more direct power to influence the referenda Cameron or Hannan?
Yes, I’m sure Leavers were paying close attention to what Cameron was saying on this (and no other) subject. Anyway, the implication is that Hannan was lying. And yet he emerged on the winning side. Bit of a theme, that. What does it tell us about some Brit voters?
You are never going to have 100% on any issue and it was not ignored it was to be mitigated the best way possible in a way, and the way forward was a CTA that had first been put in place in 1922 which actually was only reaffirmed and was not abolished when the UK joined the EEC with only border checks for goods only which is not against the GFA
And I still stand by what I said that the Brussels exploited the issues in respect to NI and over played the border issue regarding goods checks at the border. With the protocol as it currently stands is fuelling dissent between nationalist and unionist within NI.
Only noteworthy because:
- the lack of cross-community support for Brexit is conveniently ignored by the same folk demanding cross-community support for everything else; it’s dishonest.
- no one thought to check about whether a hard Brexit, or the implications of measures to address it, had cross-community support. BoJo just went ahead with both (to the evident consternation of the DUP).
BoJo signed the NIP. BoJo threw NI unionists under the bust. BoJo either didn’t bother checking the NIP, or lied about it repeatedly. Remember this:
'There will be no checks on goods going from GB to NI, or NI to GB' - 8 December 2019https://www.bbc.com/news/58001530
Blaming the EU for BoJos decisions and public statements is a bit much. Like rewriting history.
He wasn’t fit for office then. And that never changed. But voters who should have known better decided to go with him anywhere. They own the mess he made. Like the “they said it couldn’t be done” crowd. We know how that worked out.
The negotiations are primarily about the requirements of the Protocols unfettered access for Northern Ireland businesses to the UK market. That is the fundamental issue.
No. The fundamental issue is about avoiding a North-South Border which, in turn, is a Brexit creation. The E-W border only exists in order to avoid an N-S one. Get rid of the former and you end up with the latter. Time to let go of BoJo cakeism that allows one to pretend otherwise.
His dishonesty - well documented before he got to Downing Streer - was staggering. That he managed to get into Downing Street is an indictment of those who voted for him.
Semantics we know that Brussels was intent on invoking A16 which whilst at the same time would have been a breech of there own laws and regulations, which goes to show that the EU regards NI as a way and means to continue its vindictiveness agenda against the UK leaving the EU. Remember it was the EU officials within the negotiations team who said we have our first colony in regards to UK and the rejected WA.
What semantics? Did they trigger A16? No. Whether they talked about it or not is irrelevant.
As a reminder; BoJo and brexiteers compared the EU to Nazi Germany (and, curiously, their archnemesis - the Soviets). Why so sensitive when they hurled equally silly nonsense back? Don’t like it, don’t dish it out. BoJo set the tone for that. And got elected for it. Which tells us everything we need to know about those who voted for him.
The Tories were already in power remember David Cameron the pro remain PM who set it all in motion, and Theresa May the pro remain PM who ceded to the demands of the EU against the interest of the UK, and finally Boris Johnson who recognized the fallacy what the majority pro remain Parliament and EU were doing to subjugate the EU into vassalage y
Different Tory party, that. The party of Cameron, Phil Hammond, George Osborne etc. Small government/low tax etc. Actual conservatives, not UKIP lite.
BoJo’s Tory party is a populist insurgency with its high spending/high tax and culture wars fixation. The party of JRM, Dorries and other folk who’d never get near cabinet in Australia or any other country.
And not that it needs to be pointed out yet again, but the pro-remain parliament was elected by the British people after Brexit. Can’t keep blaming others for the poor choices of UK voters.
Everything the fault of the voter’s blah blah blah
What is interesting is the double standards. You champion the Scottish to independence via the electorate that voted in the SNP but rubbish the electorate for voting in a government for actually doing returning sovereignty to the UK within the laws of each entity
I don’t champion Scottish independence; I just refuse to put up with the self-evident hypocrisy of supporting one referendum to leave a union, but not the other. If a referendum on Brexit is acceptable, there’s no logical world in which a referendum on Scottish independence is unacceptable. Both rely on the same basic principle of self-determination.
But yes, it’s the voters’ fault. It’s their fault for voting the way they did in 2016, 2017 and 2019 without fully considering the implications of their votes. It’s not the EUs fault, at any rate. Need to start taking responsibility for one’s own decisions.
Of course, we can see how difficult that can be for the BoJo types. He’s still blaming some invisible “herd” + Rishi Sunak for his ouster, when it was his own lies and behaviour that did it. Democracies get the leaders they deserve.
And history will likely judge this particular phase - during which the Tories have lurched towards the populist right, elected BoJo apparently knowing exactly what he was, before defenestrating him for living up to his critics expectations, and likely appointing Liz Truss as PM, as a reflection of arguably one of the worst phases of UK democracy. Which, in turn, tells us everything we need to know about the voters who enabled this: nothing good.
BoJo didn’t elect himself. Those who did, own the mess he made. And have rightfully earned many a question about the quality of their judgment.