Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

Avatar2go wrote:

Trump has responded to the Twitter Files allegations, by claiming the Constitution should be scrapped in order to designate him the rightful winner of the 2020 election.

If anyone needed proof that the whole thing is a conspiracy theory, this would have to be it.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/03/trump- ... nstitution

Talk about a volte face.

That can fairly called overthrowing the government of the United States of America. Does anyone think the Republican Party will denounce Trump's assertion and Trump himself. And that recent immigrant who bought Twitter is all aglow about it.

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

And Taibbi’s analysis is completely wrong. Probably good he was never a legal journalist, as he doesn’t understand there is zero 1A nexus to any of what transpired.

What does that mean?

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

1A was not ‘spit on’. Private organizations and their employees have the right to political speech - sez Citizens United. Taibbi is wrong. Political parties and PACs are not the government. 1A protects from government restriction of speech only.

Twitter received requests to censor material from both the Trump WH and Biden campaign/supporters. Neither were in the wrong to do so. The company has no requirement to accept any request by force of law. Employees decided which ones they agreed with and went with that. Are you saying Twitter and its employees had no right to agree with whatever/whomever they agreed with?

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

1A was not ‘spit on’. Private organizations and their employees have the right to political speech - sez Citizens United. Taibbi is wrong. Political parties and PACs are not the government. 1A protects from government restriction of speech only.

Twitter received requests to censor material from both the Trump WH and Biden campaign/supporters. Neither were in the wrong to do so. The company has no requirement to accept any request by force of law. Employees decided which ones they agreed with and went with that. Are you saying Twitter and its employees had no right to agree with whatever/whomever they agreed with?

I can do nothing but laugh at the absurdity of someone suggesting that only left wing media outlets exist. Everything else that isn’t left wing…must not be media. Fox, Rush (yeah I know he’s dead) Hannity’s radio program, Neal Boortz, Breitbart, Alex Jones, OAN, Newsmax. None of that must count as media.

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

And who really cares? The Trump kids have a father that has skirted Tax laws,.

Do you have a source for that? Or are you engaging in the same smear Harry Ried did to Romney. The house has his tax returns for the last how many years? Let's see some proof already and not this same echo chamber that recites the same garbage.

Really?
Why has Trump wittheld his tax documents from public scrutiny?
Why was the Trump hiotels over charging the Trump Campaign for the innauguration?
Why was Trump Org not reporting taxes on compensation.
Why did Trump and his family overstate the value of his assets?

I mean if you are going to go all in on frying Biden and Hunter bases on the loose heresay of the Right wing Echo chamber, you must have already given up on Trump the Grifter right?


https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-co ... 022-12-02/

The Trump Organization reaped substantial benefits from a 15-year tax fraud scheme, a prosecutor said near the end of the trial of former U.S. President Donald Trump's real estate company, countering defense claims that a rogue executive acted for himself.

Joshua Steinglass, from the Manhattan district attorney's office, told jurors in his closing argument that the scheme helped Trump's company keep salaries down, shift tax deductions to Trump entities such as his Mar-a-Lago club, reduce payroll taxes, and keep executives happy and loyal.

The case is separate from New York Attorney General Letitia James's $250 million civil lawsuit accusing Trump, three of his adult children and his company of overstating asset values and Trump's net worth to get favorable bank loans and insurance coverage.

Trump also faces federal investigations into his remova

MaverickM11 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Redd wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.


No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

Really?
Why has Trump wittheld his tax documents from public scrutiny?
Why was the Trump hiotels over charging the Trump Campaign for the innauguration?
Why was Trump Org not reporting taxes on compensation.
Why did Trump and his family overstate the value of his assets?

The Trump Organization reaped substantial benefits from a 15-year tax fraud scheme, a prosecutor said near the end of the trial of former U.S. President Donald Trump's real estate company, countering defense claims that a rogue executive acted for himself.

The Democrats on the Hill have his last 6 years returns for 5 days. Maybe you can actually prove all these allegations you are making. If so then he will be charged for these crimes.

He is already under investigation by NY where most of the issues are occuring. However the tax returns will hopefully shed some more light on what the IRS aand state tax authorities are upset about .

There are groups that consider being pro-Palestinian is anti-sematic, even if you are also pro-Israel. Here is an interesting read on the subject:

"Journalist Gershom Gorenberg is a former associate editor and columnist for The Jerusalem Report. He is the author of The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977. The book details how idealism and political agendas came to shape Israel's settlement policy that is at the center of arguments today."

frmrCapCadet wrote:

There are groups that consider being pro-Palestinian is anti-sematic, even if you are also pro-Israel. Here is an interesting read on the subject:

"Journalist Gershom Gorenberg is a former associate editor and columnist for The Jerusalem Report. He is the author of The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977. The book details how idealism and political agendas came to shape Israel's settlement policy that is at the center of arguments today."

I'm going to paraphrase Helen Thomas here -- Palestinians ARE semitic. Antisemitism is strongly associated with the Jewish faith and people, but it is not limited to them.

Interesting read about Musk's current predicament after the Hunter laptop leak,


https://www.wired.com/story/the-twitter ... s-trapped/

A text message leaked by Ye appeared to show Musk messaging the rapper directly first, showing that he’s willing to extend personal service to some violators of his moderation policies—even if they are espousing anti-Semitic views. “Sorry, but you have gone too far. This is not love,” Musk told Ye, according to screenshots the rapper shared before his Twitter account was again suspended. “Who made you the judge,” Ye texted back.

Musk’s moderation assignments will only get more complicated from here. The longer he owns the site, the more likely he is to face a challenge with political entanglements. And research has suggested that hate speech has already become more visible on Musk-run Twitter.

Does Musk have the time to continue to personally intervene on behalf of celebrities as he espouses algorithmic solutions?
It is all political:
Trump's return seems to hinge on what Trump will say and do, as Kanye's did.

Did anyone have 'The right is aghast that a private company removed pornographic photos of a private individual after asked to do so, and call it a 1A violation' on their 2022 Bingo card?

skyservice_330 wrote:

Did anyone have 'The right is aghast that a private company removed pornographic photos of a private individual after asked to do so, and call it a 1A violation' on their 2022 Bingo card?

Did this even limp into the Monday news cycle?

MaverickM11 wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Did anyone have 'The right is aghast that a private company removed pornographic photos of a private individual after asked to do so, and call it a 1A violation' on their 2022 Bingo card?

Did this even limp into the Monday news cycle?

wait... WHAT??

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

luckyone wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.



Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

1A was not ‘spit on’. Private organizations and their employees have the right to political speech - sez Citizens United. Taibbi is wrong. Political parties and PACs are not the government. 1A protects from government restriction of speech only.

Twitter received requests to censor material from both the Trump WH and Biden campaign/supporters. Neither were in the wrong to do so. The company has no requirement to accept any request by force of law. Employees decided which ones they agreed with and went with that. Are you saying Twitter and its employees had no right to agree with whatever/whomever they agreed with?

I can do nothing but laugh at the absurdity of someone suggesting that only left wing media outlets exist. Everything else that isn’t left wing…must not be media. Fox, Rush (yeah I know he’s dead) Hannity’s radio program, Neal Boortz, Breitbart, Alex Jones, OAN, Newsmax. None of that must count as media.

Suffice to say critical thinking is not strong with anyone having large emotional reactions to the Twitter non-scandal.

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

It's indeed nomal....at Foxconn in China. Maybe Musk saw the footage from China and got an idea.

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

MaverickM11 wrote:

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

Here is another article. What makes this interesting is that Baker was formerly an adviser to FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump famously fired over the investigation of his 2016 campaign.

This will put the MAGA conspiracy engine into overdrive. Musk says that his chief counsel vetting the "Twitter files" was inexplicable and his explanation unconvincing? In most companies that's called due diligence. Oh wait, Musk doesn't need diligence, remember?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2 ... ptop-storm

LJ wrote:

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

It's indeed nomal....at Foxconn in China. Maybe Musk saw the footage from China and got an idea.

Uhh...the largest Tesla factory is literally in China (Shanghai). He doesn't need no footage .

As far as Musk goes - he's your typical egomaniac who wants all the attentions. Sounds familiar?

Either way, Twitter was a cesspool and now is just a larger cesspool. At this pace the like of 4chan or 8chan will gets zero business, though

Avatar2go wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

Here is another article. What makes this interesting is that Baker was formerly an adviser to FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump famously fired over the investigation of his 2016 campaign.

This will put the MAGA conspiracy engine into overdrive. Musk says that his chief counsel vetting the "Twitter files" was inexplicable and his explanation unconvincing? In most companies that's called due diligence. Oh wait, Musk doesn't need diligence, remember?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2 ... ptop-storm

Doesn't your company just dump documents straight into the hands of substack guys?

Avatar2go wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

Here is another article. What makes this interesting is that Baker was formerly an adviser to FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump famously fired over the investigation of his 2016 campaign.

This will put the MAGA conspiracy engine into overdrive. Musk says that his chief counsel vetting the "Twitter files" was inexplicable and his explanation unconvincing? In most companies that's called due diligence. Oh wait, Musk doesn't need diligence, remember?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2 ... ptop-storm

Oh boy. He's going wayyy down the Matt Taibbi rabbit hole here, and I don't think he's going to be happy with the result.

Taibbi, like Glenn Greenwald, kinda lost the flick during the Obama years, and has been deep in the Substack conspiracy zone for a while.

One thing that came out of the "Twitter dumps" is feigned outrage that the Biden campaign and the Trump White House had access to a backchannel to delete tweets, and both camps had used it. That's right, he said Trump White House, meaning at least, there was a Hatch Act violation, at worst, he was actively using government resources to direct a campaign.

When they cracked open the email with all of the tweets "suppressed" by the Biden camp - they were mostly Chinese spam accounts with pictures of Hunter Biden's... areas.

Scandal of the Century I tell ya!

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

It's only a matter of time before Musk moves the HQ out of San Francisco. This is another move in his deck of cards to "own the libs!"

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

Eventually the boy stopped crying wolf and just cried continuously.

Clinton was the subject of an FBI inquiry/investigation, famously so to the point where it likely tipped the 2016 election. And a Republican House did nothing about it. Nice attempt at revisionism, though.

Hunter Biden remains under investigation.

As for the rest of your rant about Trump -- look at the number of his cronies who were charged and convicted.

luckyone wrote:

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

Eventually the boy stopped crying wolf and just cried continuously.

Clinton was the subject of an FBI inquiry/investigation, famously so to the point where it likely tipped the 2016 election. And a Republican House did nothing about it. Nice attempt at revisionism, though.

Hunter Biden remains under investigation.

As for the rest of your rant about Trump -- look at the number of his cronies who were charged and convicted.

The only reason he wasn't impeached in the Senate was due to Republicans not having enough American Pride or integrity about Trump selling out Democracy to Foreign countries

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

The difference is there is no evidence that Hunter committed any crimes. MAGAs want so desperately for him to have committed crimes, they make stuff up. As in "there COULD be incriminating things on that laptop we have been holding on to for almost three years!" and "there COULD be incriminating things in note by President Biden about Hunter!" and "there COULD be...." and the base believes it. The twice impeached, one term former resident of the White House actually had failures and shady business dealings dating back decades. These things were actually documented. The failed winery, the failed steaks, the failed airline, the failed college. It was also documented that he walked in on girls in various states of undress during a pageant and that he made unwanted advances on women and solicited prostitutes. Those things are all known and documented. Not to mention the string of bankruptcies he declared in the 1980s (because of his success) to the point where Congress had to make new laws regarding bankruptcy.

As far as Russia goes:

https://time.com/5572821/donald-trump-russia-contacts/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html
https://apnews.com/article/politics-ap- ... 1781bb947b

And let's not forget the praise heaped on by him to dictators like Xi of China and Erdogan of Turkey and Kim of DPRK and Orban of Hungary.

But, Hunter having pics of his junk on his laptop is way worse......

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

The red tsunami says otherwise

So Musk seems to be reaping a bit of what he's been sowing.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-booed-sta ... nt=gizmodo

He seemed geniunelly shocked that people would boo him so first tweet in the morning blames the woke mind virus. Whatever that might be.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602278477234728960

Musk has also threatened to sue Twitter employees who leak information. That memo, of course, was immediately leaked.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/elo ... 39321.html

Also some Tweets with coverage of Musk being booed in San Francisco, were taken down overnight. That has led some to coin the term "free-speeched" to describe criticisms of Musk or Twitter being removed.

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

JJJ wrote:

So Musk seems to be reaping a bit of what he's been sowing.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-booed-sta ... nt=gizmodo

He seemed geniunelly shocked that people would boo him so first tweet in the morning blames the woke mind virus. Whatever that might be.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602278477234728960

I am still not sure why the GOP always goes after the "Woke" mind. Generally that means that someone is paying attention to what is occuring. I know that is the opposite of what most poltiicians and marketing folks want, but still it resonated with their core base which must be "Sleep"? Does rhyme with sheep though.

casinterest wrote:

I am still not sure why the GOP always goes after the "Woke" mind.

In their minds (I use the term loosely), it's all just part of "owning the liberals".

NIKV69 wrote:

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

Musk isn't denying Covid he is pointing out Fauci may have lied under oath.

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

NIKV69 wrote:

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

Musk isn't denying Covid he is pointing out Fauci may have lied under oath.

Or still pissed his factories were affected by it, screw the health of his employees though I would be keen to hear what he thought about how his major facilities in China fared.
Not holding my breath.

And I would trust the word of an expert in his field and public servant over a corrupt weirdo like Paul. Who had to advise another overgrown spoilt brat.
I get that there were three trigger words in that sentence, ‘expert’ and ‘public servant’, for, well the usual suspects.

NIKV69 wrote:

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

Musk isn't denying Covid he is pointing out Fauci may have lied under oath.

Fauci was labeled as the enemy because he resisted the Trump administration and the junk science they were pushing. He made Trump look like the fool he is, and that is unforgivable.

In general anyone who stands up and tells the truth about Trump, is attacked, reviled, and punished by the MAGA's. Why Elon has decided to join in, is a mystery. He can't claim stupidity, he's certainly smart enough to understand the science. So it must be something else.

My guess is that as others have mentioned here, it was driven by regulation of his products and companies, which he does not like. The Trump & MAGA camp would be appealing to him, because they share the same persecution complex toward anyone that asks them to follow the rules.

I mentioned earlier that Musk claims he was a left-moderate until the party ran away from him, leaving him on the right. But the data show that is not true, while both parties have shifted away from the center, the right has shifted considerably more. So Musk would have to run to catch up. Which he clearly has done.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

You do certainly have a good record with your predictions. Like a reverse Nostradamus

SL1200MK2 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

You do certainly have a good record with your predictions. Like a reverse Nostradamus

Page 1 of the largest thread on this part of the site being a prime example, not everything is about a bizarre take on domestic US politics. No real world idea just snark.

As for Musk, his SpaceX was saved - his words, well until recently most likely- by a NASA contract under Democrat administration, which was controversial at the time due to the company having no more experience than on its 4th and final attempt, in putting a small payload into low Earth orbit.
This was to develop a launch vehicle and initially cargo module for the ISS, a good job was done and the experience led to the Crew Dragon spacecraft, which has certainly shamed Boeing (even bigger subsidy receivers). Though only with extensive technical support and contracts from NASA, still its the first 21st Century crewed Spacecraft and has shown its versatility and lower launch costs.

Then there are the many other direct and indirect subsidies for Tesla, you take the money, expect scrutiny, so maybe don’t bitch when serious safety issues and a racist culture is reported at US Tesla plants. Including going on Twitter and encouraging a torrent of hostility against the journalist who reported it, being a woman and non white his fanboys were especially vile.
Hence his war on ‘woke’, which he clearly has not read the dictionary term of.

Also there is a long string of regulatory actions involving Musk's companies, and although they are fairly normal & expected, he has railed against all of them.

The NHTSB opened investigations into Tesla crashes and fires. In the early cases, Tesla was expelled from the investigation because Musk was tweeting vehicle data, in an attempt to defend Tesla. Some of those investigations are still in progress.

The SEC has taken multiple actions against Tesla and Musk for violating rules surrounding public disclosure. Including requiring a Tesla attorney to preview anything Musk tweets about Tesla, to ensure compliance. Musk has filed multiple motions to overturn those restrictions.

The FAA conducted a site environmental review for the SpaceX Boca Chica site, which encountered lengthy delays due to incomplete documentation and voluminous objections. Musk has implied that the delays are needless and intentional.

These are just the major incidents. There are many more minor skirmishes, such as SpaceX launching a test flight after the FAA forbade the launch. In that case, quite amusingly, the FAA was on the phone confirming with SpaceX that they would not launch, as they watched the launch online.

Given that Musk feels he was in the right on all these issues, and that regulatory authorities are persecuting and limiting his activities, it's not at all surprising that he would align himself with conservative beliefs that regulation is intrusive and unnecessary. As well as complain about the "woke" liberals who favor regulation.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

Ah right, because Congress only does fishing expeditions when it's the 'other' side.

There is so little evidence for anything Fauci is being accused of it's mind boggling. The hearings will go nowhere.

In the meantime, Musk is trying to rile up as many people as he can and take the mantle from Trump on sowing division. One has to wonder if the Saudis or Chinese have something on him.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

2 two years in and the best you have is we shall see from Ky( is that a state or petroleum factory) Rand Paul?

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

Ah right, because Congress only does fishing expeditions when it's the 'other' side.

There is so little evidence for anything Fauci is being accused of it's mind boggling. The hearings will go nowhere.

In the meantime, Musk is trying to rile up as many people as he can and take the mantle from Trump on sowing division. One has to wonder if the Saudis or Chinese have something on him.

More like he’s just in bed with the Chinese. He was the first beneficiary of an automaker not having to form a joint venture with a Chinese partner — that did not just happen because the Chinese were feeling generous. Chinese regulations and COVID response have impacted Tesla far more than any US policy. But does he criticize the Chinese? Not really. He states something to the effect of “well this is what we have to do in China,” and otherwise tweets nary a twit. How nice he has free speech and all to have a whipping boy —- in the United States. He doesn’t squawk much about lack of free speech in oke of his biggest markets.

Musk has abruptly dissolved the Twitter Trust and Safety Council, after getting into an online battle with two members who had resigned, being critical of Musk's management of Twitter. That leaves Twitter with no outside advisory sources or reference.

Musk has said he won't form his proposed moderation council, after the advertisers he offered it to, declined to return to Twitter.

This is the third time Musk has lashed out in a week. Other targets included Anthony Fauci, whom he accused of lying about COVID, and Yoel Roth, whom he accused of permitting pedophilia and not protecting children on Twitter. (Note that pedophilia is oddly his go-to accusation).

Roth has since gone into isolation after threats made against him. Fauci also has been the target of threats, which the White House has noted will likely increase again. They chose a fairly strong label in calling Musk's behavior "disgusting".

If Musk continues to weaponize Twitter, the government will eventually find a way to step in.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... re-meeting