Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Avatar2go wrote:

Trump has responded to the Twitter Files allegations, by claiming the Constitution should be scrapped in order to designate him the rightful winner of the 2020 election.

If anyone needed proof that the whole thing is a conspiracy theory, this would have to be it.

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/03/trump- ... nstitution

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

And Taibbi’s analysis is completely wrong. Probably good he was never a legal journalist, as he doesn’t understand there is zero 1A nexus to any of what transpired.

What does that mean?

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

1A was not ‘spit on’. Private organizations and their employees have the right to political speech - sez Citizens United. Taibbi is wrong. Political parties and PACs are not the government. 1A protects from government restriction of speech only.

Twitter received requests to censor material from both the Trump WH and Biden campaign/supporters. Neither were in the wrong to do so. The company has no requirement to accept any request by force of law. Employees decided which ones they agreed with and went with that. Are you saying Twitter and its employees had no right to agree with whatever/whomever they agreed with?

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

What does that mean?

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

And who really cares? The Trump kids have a father that has skirted Tax laws,.

Do you have a source for that? Or are you engaging in the same smear Harry Ried did to Romney. The house has his tax returns for the last how many years? Let's see some proof already and not this same echo chamber that recites the same garbage.

The Trump Organization reaped substantial benefits from a 15-year tax fraud scheme, a prosecutor said near the end of the trial of former U.S. President Donald Trump's real estate company, countering defense claims that a rogue executive acted for himself.

Joshua Steinglass, from the Manhattan district attorney's office, told jurors in his closing argument that the scheme helped Trump's company keep salaries down, shift tax deductions to Trump entities such as his Mar-a-Lago club, reduce payroll taxes, and keep executives happy and loyal.

The case is separate from New York Attorney General Letitia James's $250 million civil lawsuit accusing Trump, three of his adult children and his company of overstating asset values and Trump's net worth to get favorable bank loans and insurance coverage.

Trump also faces federal investigations into his remova

MaverickM11 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

It means the Hunter Biden laptop story is only important to MAGAs who think there is actually something there. To the rest of us, it is one of the biggest nothingburgers in recent memory. Interesting how zero was said about the laptop and nothing has been done by right wing legal experts except to say "we have dirt on Hunter Biden!" when backed into a corner. The laptop was "discovered" in April 2019. Roughly a year and a half under MAGA rule. And nothing was done under MAGA rule. The far right wing extremist government could have prosecuted anyone and everyone named "Biden" but did nothing.

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Redd wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Lose the whataboutism. There simply is no there there. Hunter Biden's laptop is a dog whistle for MAGA. Nothing more. There never was anything there, no matter how many works of fiction are promoted, it is nothing. We have known that for two years. It is a non-story.

If Republicans are suddenly all pearl-clutchy over nepotism, where is the outrage over the money and contracts signed by Ivanka, Eric, Junior, and son-in-law Jerod because of their names and closeness to the former leader? Why are Republicans not outraged over that? You know: both sides do it so Republican can get away with it.

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.

Redd wrote:

So if roles were reversed, and Republicans conspired with a social media company to suppress alleged corruption reaching all the way to the political top to influence an election, you'd think it's a nothing burger? Or is it a nothing burger because this is your team?

No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

casinterest wrote:

Really?
Why has Trump wittheld his tax documents from public scrutiny?
Why was the Trump hiotels over charging the Trump Campaign for the innauguration?
Why was Trump Org not reporting taxes on compensation.
Why did Trump and his family overstate the value of his assets?

The Trump Organization reaped substantial benefits from a 15-year tax fraud scheme, a prosecutor said near the end of the trial of former U.S. President Donald Trump's real estate company, countering defense claims that a rogue executive acted for himself.

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

The whole thing seems like a distraction to the tidal wave of Nazis Elmo and the GOP have unleashed in the last week but...freeze peach and all.


No one, and I mean *no one* on the left cares if Hunter is prosecuted for doing something illegal. Have at it. But so far you have a bunch of d#ck pics.

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

Really?
Why has Trump wittheld his tax documents from public scrutiny?
Why was the Trump hiotels over charging the Trump Campaign for the innauguration?
Why was Trump Org not reporting taxes on compensation.
Why did Trump and his family overstate the value of his assets?

The Trump Organization reaped substantial benefits from a 15-year tax fraud scheme, a prosecutor said near the end of the trial of former U.S. President Donald Trump's real estate company, countering defense claims that a rogue executive acted for himself.

The Democrats on the Hill have his last 6 years returns for 5 days. Maybe you can actually prove all these allegations you are making. If so then he will be charged for these crimes.

frmrCapCadet wrote:

There are groups that consider being pro-Palestinian is anti-sematic, even if you are also pro-Israel. Here is an interesting read on the subject:

"Journalist Gershom Gorenberg is a former associate editor and columnist for The Jerusalem Report. He is the author of The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977. The book details how idealism and political agendas came to shape Israel's settlement policy that is at the center of arguments today."

A text message leaked by Ye appeared to show Musk messaging the rapper directly first, showing that he’s willing to extend personal service to some violators of his moderation policies—even if they are espousing anti-Semitic views. “Sorry, but you have gone too far. This is not love,” Musk told Ye, according to screenshots the rapper shared before his Twitter account was again suspended. “Who made you the judge,” Ye texted back.

Musk’s moderation assignments will only get more complicated from here. The longer he owns the site, the more likely he is to face a challenge with political entanglements. And research has suggested that hate speech has already become more visible on Musk-run Twitter.

skyservice_330 wrote:

Did anyone have 'The right is aghast that a private company removed pornographic photos of a private individual after asked to do so, and call it a 1A violation' on their 2022 Bingo card?

MaverickM11 wrote:

skyservice_330 wrote:

Did anyone have 'The right is aghast that a private company removed pornographic photos of a private individual after asked to do so, and call it a 1A violation' on their 2022 Bingo card?

Did this even limp into the Monday news cycle?

luckyone wrote:

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

Basically when Taibbi was critical of Rush and the GOP back in the day he was a hero, now because he has exposed the DNC for censorship and basically spitting on the 1A to conspire to win an election he isn't a real journalist. It's so predictable and disgusting as usual.



Exactly. It's why the left continues their control of the media. Unfortunately they have been exposed but it's not really a surprise. This is how they operate.

1A was not ‘spit on’. Private organizations and their employees have the right to political speech - sez Citizens United. Taibbi is wrong. Political parties and PACs are not the government. 1A protects from government restriction of speech only.

Twitter received requests to censor material from both the Trump WH and Biden campaign/supporters. Neither were in the wrong to do so. The company has no requirement to accept any request by force of law. Employees decided which ones they agreed with and went with that. Are you saying Twitter and its employees had no right to agree with whatever/whomever they agreed with?

I can do nothing but laugh at the absurdity of someone suggesting that only left wing media outlets exist. Everything else that isn’t left wing…must not be media. Fox, Rush (yeah I know he’s dead) Hannity’s radio program, Neal Boortz, Breitbart, Alex Jones, OAN, Newsmax. None of that must count as media.

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

LJ wrote:

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

It's indeed nomal....at Foxconn in China. Maybe Musk saw the footage from China and got an idea.

Avatar2go wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

Here is another article. What makes this interesting is that Baker was formerly an adviser to FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump famously fired over the investigation of his 2016 campaign.

This will put the MAGA conspiracy engine into overdrive. Musk says that his chief counsel vetting the "Twitter files" was inexplicable and his explanation unconvincing? In most companies that's called due diligence. Oh wait, Musk doesn't need diligence, remember?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2 ... ptop-storm

Avatar2go wrote:

MaverickM11 wrote:

And he fired his deputy general counsel, whom Elon was not aware of until Saturday ...as one does when they take over a company...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... om-company

Here is another article. What makes this interesting is that Baker was formerly an adviser to FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump famously fired over the investigation of his 2016 campaign.

This will put the MAGA conspiracy engine into overdrive. Musk says that his chief counsel vetting the "Twitter files" was inexplicable and his explanation unconvincing? In most companies that's called due diligence. Oh wait, Musk doesn't need diligence, remember?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2 ... ptop-storm

Francoflier wrote:

Ol' Musky is now angry that the city of SF is nosing around his sweatshop and inquiring about bedrooms that have allegedly been setup at Twitter headquarters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... db72e1cd3e

He claims those beds are simply there to allow 'tired employees' to rest.
Everything is perfectly normal, nothing to see here...

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Redd wrote:

Those with any ethics do, and there still are some on the left, not many, but still some.

Sam Harris recently said that they could have found children's corpses in Biden's closet and he nor the left would care.

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

luckyone wrote:

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

Eventually the boy stopped crying wolf and just cried continuously.

Clinton was the subject of an FBI inquiry/investigation, famously so to the point where it likely tipped the 2016 election. And a Republican House did nothing about it. Nice attempt at revisionism, though.

Hunter Biden remains under investigation.

As for the rest of your rant about Trump -- look at the number of his cronies who were charged and convicted.

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Because like all the liberals on this forum and in general have rabid TDS but totally exempt their own party of wrongdoings. Clinton destroys 30,000 E mails and her server their response? Nothing to see here. Biden's son is major league influence peddling his father. Their response? Nothing to see here. But Trump from even before day one of his presidency the left has been throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. I think they might have even thrown the kitchen sink at him and have yet to make anything stick. Russia Russia Russia then 2 impeachments. I am not saying Trump doesn't deserve it I wish something would stick because I do not want him to run again. But you need to take your blinders off Seb I am telling you both sides are self serving and get away with things you and I would never get away with. Because why? They write the laws to benefit them. Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

stratosphere wrote:

Redd wrote:

seb146 wrote:

Unlike Republicans, Democrats actually care about the rule of law and the Constitution.

Hunter's laptop was "found" in April of 2020 and nothing was done about it by Republicans. Nothing. They sat on it only to bring it up when they found they were losing an argument or election. What Hunter's dealings have to do with President Biden only Republicans know. It is a thing, apparently. Republicans knew Hunter was working in Ukraine while Joe was still Vice President under Obama. Two years went by under MAGA control and zero investigations into Hunter Biden's dealings in Ukraine. It wasn't until Republicans thought they were going to lose the White House this laptop became a talking point. Now, again, MAGA holds a razor thin majority in the House and we are back to "the laptop will bring down the Biden family!"

Spoiler alert: there is nothing incriminating against Joe on that laptop.

And how would you know that?

Stop with the Democrats are the only honest ones.

JJJ wrote:

So Musk seems to be reaping a bit of what he's been sowing.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-booed-sta ... nt=gizmodo

He seemed geniunelly shocked that people would boo him so first tweet in the morning blames the woke mind virus. Whatever that might be.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602278477234728960

casinterest wrote:

I am still not sure why the GOP always goes after the "Woke" mind.

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

NIKV69 wrote:

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

Musk isn't denying Covid he is pointing out Fauci may have lied under oath.

NIKV69 wrote:

GDB wrote:

On it goes...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa ... XeqOuP6qWP

Musk isn't denying Covid he is pointing out Fauci may have lied under oath.

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

SL1200MK2 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

You do certainly have a good record with your predictions. Like a reverse Nostradamus

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

Aaron747 wrote:

NIKV69 wrote:

casinterest wrote:

With what proof?

Other than the witch hunts lead by the dishonorable Rand Paul from KY ?

I am sure he will be subpoenaed to appear in front of congress next year. We shall see.

Ah right, because Congress only does fishing expeditions when it's the 'other' side.

There is so little evidence for anything Fauci is being accused of it's mind boggling. The hearings will go nowhere.

In the meantime, Musk is trying to rile up as many people as he can and take the mantle from Trump on sowing division. One has to wonder if the Saudis or Chinese have something on him.

Aaron747 wrote:

In the meantime, Musk is trying to rile up as many people as he can and take the mantle from Trump on sowing division. One has to wonder if the Saudis or Chinese have something on him.