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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:55 am

Avatar2go wrote:
This is the third time Musk has lashed out in a week. Other targets included Anthony Fauci, whom he accused of lying about COVID, and Yoel Roth, whom he accused of permitting pedophilia and not protecting children on Twitter. (Note that pedophilia is oddly his go-to accusation).


Now that you mention it, that whole Thailand cave rescue Musk meltdown should have been the canary in the proverbial coal mine... The moment that should have taught us all that this particular billionaire was more lunatic than eccentric.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:13 am

Francoflier wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
This is the third time Musk has lashed out in a week. Other targets included Anthony Fauci, whom he accused of lying about COVID, and Yoel Roth, whom he accused of permitting pedophilia and not protecting children on Twitter. (Note that pedophilia is oddly his go-to accusation).


Now that you mention it, that whole Thailand cave rescue Musk meltdown should have been the canary in the proverbial coal mine... The moment that should have taught us all that this particular billionaire was more lunatic than eccentric.


It's was, ironically just months before, with the launch of the Falcon Heavy, Musk was probably on a literal and figurative high, (it was several years late but we know some are so stuck on their ignorant doctrines that would not register), still a genuine step forward in launch capability.

Then he pitched an absurd idea to put an inflexible sub into those tight caves and when the on hand expert, who actually DID the cave rescue was constantly being asked about Musk's sub, due his to fame and his continually DEMANDING it be used, he told the truth, it would not work and was a publicity stunt.
Then Musk made his completely unfounded allegations. Disgusting and as we are seeing, his go to insult.
Maybe he needs to have actionable threats piled on him, see how he likes it?

I know the other Musk fanboys (now he is, for now, GOP/MAGA), will claim ignorance on this, well they should look it up, even made a film about it released this year though not with any mention of Musk. Why sully a daring and brave operation with any mention of him. Plus he would throw a fit and demand the film be, what's the word they always throw at others? Oh right, cancelled.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:57 pm

GDB wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
This is the third time Musk has lashed out in a week. Other targets included Anthony Fauci, whom he accused of lying about COVID, and Yoel Roth, whom he accused of permitting pedophilia and not protecting children on Twitter. (Note that pedophilia is oddly his go-to accusation).


Now that you mention it, that whole Thailand cave rescue Musk meltdown should have been the canary in the proverbial coal mine... The moment that should have taught us all that this particular billionaire was more lunatic than eccentric.


It's was, ironically just months before, with the launch of the Falcon Heavy, Musk was probably on a literal and figurative high, (it was several years late but we know some are so stuck on their ignorant doctrines that would not register), still a genuine step forward in launch capability.

Then he pitched an absurd idea to put an inflexible sub into those tight caves and when the on hand expert, who actually DID the cave rescue was constantly being asked about Musk's sub, due his to fame and his continually DEMANDING it be used, he told the truth, it would not work and was a publicity stunt.
Then Musk made his completely unfounded allegations. Disgusting and as we are seeing, his go to insult.
Maybe he needs to have actionable threats piled on him, see how he likes it?

I know the other Musk fanboys (now he is, for now, GOP/MAGA), will claim ignorance on this, well they should look it up, even made a film about it released this year though not with any mention of Musk. Why sully a daring and brave operation with any mention of him. Plus he would throw a fit and demand the film be, what's the word they always throw at others? Oh right, cancelled.

And now he goes full Qanon, tweeting "Follow the white rabbit":
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxoh6SlY ... 9SzcLmZ45-
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:11 pm

speedygonzales wrote:
GDB wrote:
Francoflier wrote:

Now that you mention it, that whole Thailand cave rescue Musk meltdown should have been the canary in the proverbial coal mine... The moment that should have taught us all that this particular billionaire was more lunatic than eccentric.


It's was, ironically just months before, with the launch of the Falcon Heavy, Musk was probably on a literal and figurative high, (it was several years late but we know some are so stuck on their ignorant doctrines that would not register), still a genuine step forward in launch capability.

Then he pitched an absurd idea to put an inflexible sub into those tight caves and when the on hand expert, who actually DID the cave rescue was constantly being asked about Musk's sub, due his to fame and his continually DEMANDING it be used, he told the truth, it would not work and was a publicity stunt.
Then Musk made his completely unfounded allegations. Disgusting and as we are seeing, his go to insult.
Maybe he needs to have actionable threats piled on him, see how he likes it?

I know the other Musk fanboys (now he is, for now, GOP/MAGA), will claim ignorance on this, well they should look it up, even made a film about it released this year though not with any mention of Musk. Why sully a daring and brave operation with any mention of him. Plus he would throw a fit and demand the film be, what's the word they always throw at others? Oh right, cancelled.

And now he goes full Qanon, tweeting "Follow the white rabbit":
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxoh6SlY ... 9SzcLmZ45-
Perhaps he's just trolling?

Just like every troll, just with more money?
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:19 pm

ReverseFlow wrote:
speedygonzales wrote:
GDB wrote:

It's was, ironically just months before, with the launch of the Falcon Heavy, Musk was probably on a literal and figurative high, (it was several years late but we know some are so stuck on their ignorant doctrines that would not register), still a genuine step forward in launch capability.

Then he pitched an absurd idea to put an inflexible sub into those tight caves and when the on hand expert, who actually DID the cave rescue was constantly being asked about Musk's sub, due his to fame and his continually DEMANDING it be used, he told the truth, it would not work and was a publicity stunt.
Then Musk made his completely unfounded allegations. Disgusting and as we are seeing, his go to insult.
Maybe he needs to have actionable threats piled on him, see how he likes it?

I know the other Musk fanboys (now he is, for now, GOP/MAGA), will claim ignorance on this, well they should look it up, even made a film about it released this year though not with any mention of Musk. Why sully a daring and brave operation with any mention of him. Plus he would throw a fit and demand the film be, what's the word they always throw at others? Oh right, cancelled.

And now he goes full Qanon, tweeting "Follow the white rabbit":
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxoh6SlY ... 9SzcLmZ45-
Perhaps he's just trolling?

Just like every troll, just with more money?


I think it is more like this

"And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low"

https://www.google.com/search?q=white+rabbit+lyrics
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 pm

casinterest wrote:
ReverseFlow wrote:
speedygonzales wrote:
And now he goes full Qanon, tweeting "Follow the white rabbit":
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxoh6SlY ... 9SzcLmZ45-
Perhaps he's just trolling?

Just like every troll, just with more money?


I think it is more like this

"And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low"

https://www.google.com/search?q=white+rabbit+lyrics
They were obviously ahead of their time with the white rabbits!
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:33 pm

The free speech absolutist twit is at it again!

The account @elonjet has been suspended today with a message on its profile saying: "Twitter suspends accounts that violate the Twitter Rules."

Jack Sweeney, owner of the jet tracking account, confirmed this on Twitter, posting a picture showing that his account had been suspended because it "broke the Twitter Rules," and is now "permanently in read-only mode."

The billionaire CEO tweeted in November that he wouldn't remove the account for "free speech" reasons saying: "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk." 

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter ... ed-2022-12

Though Musk's above statement was made while the account had been already shadow banned within Twitter:
an anonymous Twitter employee informed him that his ElonJet account was "visibility limited/restricted to a severe degree internally" on December 2.

He also shared what appeared to be an internal Twitter message from Ella Irwin, Twitter's new head of Trust and Safety, requesting that ElonJet be subjected to "heavy VF [visibility filtering].

Sweeney told Insider that he'd suspected "for quite a while" that

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu ... ?r=US&IR=T

So the formerly beloved super engineer is shown to instead just be a lying self-serving propagandist! Sadly I guess that is no surprise anymore.

Tugg
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 3:52 pm

Twitter under Musk has also become a deadbeat - they ain't paying their bills. What kind of trash leadership is this?

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitte ... bills-rent
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:09 pm

leader1 wrote:
Twitter under Musk has also become a deadbeat - they ain't paying their bills. What kind of trash leadership is this?

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitte ... bills-rent


Maybe he fired also the persons who actually pay the bills.

It seems that he's also selling office furniture. Or can we assume this is because he wants to move to Texas and thus doesn't want to pay for office space in the 'woke' California?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-set-auction-off-twitter-024414002.html
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:27 pm

LJ wrote:
leader1 wrote:
Twitter under Musk has also become a deadbeat - they ain't paying their bills. What kind of trash leadership is this?

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitte ... bills-rent


Maybe he fired also the persons who actually pay the bills.

It seems that he's also selling office furniture. Or can we assume this is because he wants to move to Texas and thus doesn't want to pay for office space in the 'woke' California?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-set-auction-off-twitter-024414002.html


Isn't just California. He's stopped paying rent in Colorado, too.

If he did fire all the staff who pay bills, it's just a textbook case of terrible management and no way to run a company.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:35 pm

leader1 wrote:
LJ wrote:
leader1 wrote:
Twitter under Musk has also become a deadbeat - they ain't paying their bills. What kind of trash leadership is this?

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/14/twitte ... bills-rent


Maybe he fired also the persons who actually pay the bills.

It seems that he's also selling office furniture. Or can we assume this is because he wants to move to Texas and thus doesn't want to pay for office space in the 'woke' California?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-set-auction-off-twitter-024414002.html


Isn't just California. He's stopped paying rent in Colorado, too.

If he did fire all the staff who pay bills, it's just a textbook case of terrible management and no way to run a company.


Or it's by design and Elon is so rich and entitled that he feels he doesn't have to.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:01 pm

StarAC17 wrote:
leader1 wrote:
LJ wrote:

Maybe he fired also the persons who actually pay the bills.

It seems that he's also selling office furniture. Or can we assume this is because he wants to move to Texas and thus doesn't want to pay for office space in the 'woke' California?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-set-auction-off-twitter-024414002.html


Isn't just California. He's stopped paying rent in Colorado, too.

If he did fire all the staff who pay bills, it's just a textbook case of terrible management and no way to run a company.


Or it's by design and Elon is so rich and entitled that he feels he doesn't have to.


Trump of course was also a total deadbeat too, also of inherited wealth.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:06 pm

Maybe it's time that Twitter users assert to Elon that they, and not he, are the true source of Twitter's value. An organized boycott would work wonders in reminding him.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:25 pm

leader1 wrote:
Isn't just California. He's stopped paying rent in Colorado, too.


Isn't Colorado a Blue state nowadays? I recall Biden got the votes in the Presidential elections and they voted Democratic last November.

BTW how can Twitter employees be at an office for hours minimum if the office will be closed due to non payment? Maybe Musk will discover that work-from-home isn't a bad idea after all.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:49 pm

Tugger wrote:
The free speech absolutist twit is at it again!

The account @elonjet has been suspended today with a message on its profile saying: "Twitter suspends accounts that violate the Twitter Rules."

Jack Sweeney, owner of the jet tracking account, confirmed this on Twitter, posting a picture showing that his account had been suspended because it "broke the Twitter Rules," and is now "permanently in read-only mode."

The billionaire CEO tweeted in November that he wouldn't remove the account for "free speech" reasons saying: "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk." 

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter ... ed-2022-12

Though Musk's above statement was made while the account had been already shadow banned within Twitter:
an anonymous Twitter employee informed him that his ElonJet account was "visibility limited/restricted to a severe degree internally" on December 2.

He also shared what appeared to be an internal Twitter message from Ella Irwin, Twitter's new head of Trust and Safety, requesting that ElonJet be subjected to "heavy VF [visibility filtering].

Sweeney told Insider that he'd suspected "for quite a while" that

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu ... ?r=US&IR=T

So the formerly beloved super engineer is shown to instead just be a lying self-serving propagandist! Sadly I guess that is no surprise anymore.

Tugg


Plot twist: Musk bought Twitter to single-handedly take down ElonJet.

LJ wrote:
Or can we assume this is because he wants to move to Texas and thus doesn't want to pay for office space in the 'woke' California?


It's only a matter of time. He's got to "Own the libs!" that booed him at the recent David Chapelle comedy show in SF.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:41 pm

Tugger wrote:
So the formerly beloved super engineer is shown to instead just be a lying self-serving propagandist! Sadly I guess that is no surprise anymore.

Tugg


Maybe he's gearing up for the next Presidential election. Changing ones mind (preferably without any recollection of the past) is a very good quality for a politician The best politicians are good at it, especially if they can sell it to their voters(sarcasm off).
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:00 pm

So why is Jack Dorsey carrying Elon's water here? Do they have some sort of deal?

He's lending credence to the Twitter Files by accepting "blame". Also condemning the threats against his former Twitter colleagues. But not identifying Elon as the cause of those threats, which he clearly is. What's up with that?

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-do ... 022-12?amp
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:28 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
So why is Jack Dorsey carrying Elon's water here? Do they have some sort of deal?

He's lending credence to the Twitter Files by accepting "blame". Also condemning the threats against his former Twitter colleagues. But not identifying Elon as the cause of those threats, which he clearly is. What's up with that?

https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-do ... 022-12?amp


I'm puzzled by that too.
One reason may be that he's trying to take some of the heat to protect his former employees from the mercurial wrath of their new boss/tyrant.
Some have already received threats from some deplorables following public lashings by their newfound spiritual leader:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/tech ... index.html
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:01 pm

Francoflier wrote:

I'm puzzled by that too.
One reason may be that he's trying to take some of the heat to protect his former employees from the mercurial wrath of their new boss/tyrant.
Some have already received threats from some deplorables following public lashings by their newfound spiritual leader:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/tech ... index.html


Yeah, I'm really at a loss on this one. Dorsey should be having a "come to Jesus" moment right now, watching the results of what he had advocated with Musk. But instead he seems to be in some weird denial, blaming himself rather than admitting what Musk is doing.

It's very strange. But perhaps is reflective of the internal struggle conservatives seem to have in rejecting their idols, or the prior embracement of them, no matter how badly they behave.

I've seen something similar on school boards, they will defend their hired administrator to the hilt, even when caught lying or acting in opposition to the welfare of the students. They have some kind of weird allegiance to their own infallibility, rather than to the facts or the truth.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:16 pm

Avatar2go wrote:

Yeah, I'm really at a loss on this one. Dorsey should be having a "come to Jesus" moment right now, watching the results of what he had advocated with Musk. But instead he seems to be in some weird denial, blaming himself rather than admitting what Musk is doing.

It's very strange. But perhaps is reflective of the internal struggle conservatives seem to have in rejecting their idols, or the prior embracement of them, no matter how badly they behave.

I've seen something similar on school boards, they will defend their hired administrator to the hilt, even when caught lying or acting in opposition to the welfare of the students. They have some kind of weird allegiance to their own infallibility, rather than to the facts or the truth.


So who is to blame for Twitter carrying Michelle Obama and the Dems water? Deleting tweets and banning users at their say so? Really? Or are you just going to ignore it?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitte ... ed-company
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:36 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

Yeah, I'm really at a loss on this one. Dorsey should be having a "come to Jesus" moment right now, watching the results of what he had advocated with Musk. But instead he seems to be in some weird denial, blaming himself rather than admitting what Musk is doing.

It's very strange. But perhaps is reflective of the internal struggle conservatives seem to have in rejecting their idols, or the prior embracement of them, no matter how badly they behave.

I've seen something similar on school boards, they will defend their hired administrator to the hilt, even when caught lying or acting in opposition to the welfare of the students. They have some kind of weird allegiance to their own infallibility, rather than to the facts or the truth.


So who is to blame for Twitter carrying Michelle Obama and the Dems water? Deleting tweets and banning users at their say so? Really? Or are you just going to ignore it?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitte ... ed-company

Are you trying to make the odious argument that banning him from Twitter while he was actively fanning the flames of an insurrection on Twitter was some liberal plot to destroy free speech?

Because last I checked Twitter wasn't protected speech, and nobody had an issue with the ban on the day of.

Even for you that's an onerous and absurd one.

Need only to listen to mild Trump and Elon apologist Yoel Roth on this one to pretty quickly figure out that it was an almost unanimous decision.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:42 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
So who is to blame for Twitter carrying Michelle Obama and the Dems water? Deleting tweets and banning users at their say so? Really? Or are you just going to ignore it?

Wait, you consider a police man (figuratively speaking in this case) reacting to a request when something wrong is happening to be "carrying their water"? Seriously?

If I were you at least, I would ignore flame-baiting articles. And saying that, why aren't you understanding that and in fact ignoring it?

Tugg
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:47 pm

You have to remember that anyone besides Trump, who used the platform how he did, would have been banned from Twitter years before Jan. 6 had even taken place, too. They essentially created a special carveout in their rules just for him.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:53 pm

Tugger wrote:
Wait, you consider a police man (figuratively speaking in this case) reacting to a request when something wrong is happening to be "carrying their water"? Seriously?

If I were you at least, I would ignore flame-baiting articles. And saying that, why aren't you understanding that and in fact ignoring it?

Tugg


It's up to the policeman to decide something is wrong not take orders from a civilian to take action before doing so.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:57 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Wait, you consider a police man (figuratively speaking in this case) reacting to a request when something wrong is happening to be "carrying their water"? Seriously?

If I were you at least, I would ignore flame-baiting articles. And saying that, why aren't you understanding that and in fact ignoring it?

Tugg


It's up to the policeman to decide something is wrong not take orders from a civilian to take action before doing so.

Which they did.

Twitter knew what was going on was wrong, and that's why they decided to take the moderation action.

Just because a couple of emails were sent, and people contacted the Trust and Safety team doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. That's why they have Trust and Safety.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:58 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Wait, you consider a police man (figuratively speaking in this case) reacting to a request when something wrong is happening to be "carrying their water"? Seriously?

If I were you at least, I would ignore flame-baiting articles. And saying that, why aren't you understanding that and in fact ignoring it?

Tugg


It's up to the policeman to decide something is wrong not take orders from a civilian to take action before doing so.

But is that "carrying water"?

And you don't seem concerned when only Fox and similarly "balanced" entities do as Trump and many other Republicans ask of them. Or don't publish stories that are favorable to opponents or when they do, place them deep in their sites and publications.

It is called a free market for a reason, each company polices itself (no fairness doctrine).

Tugg
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:35 pm

NIKV69 wrote:

So who is to blame for Twitter carrying Michelle Obama and the Dems water? Deleting tweets and banning users at their say so? Really? Or are you just going to ignore it?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitte ... ed-company


After reading your Fox News article, the answer is yes, I'm just going to ignore it, because it amounts to no more than a conspiracy theory.

The truth is that millions of people objected to Trump's use of Twitter on Jan 6, including law enforcement and the Capitol police. To single out Michele Obama from those millions, and claim some conspiratorial plot, is simply deranged.

You really, really, really need to broaden your sources of information, and take a class in formal & deductive reasoning. But then again, you've been given that advice before.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:31 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

Yeah, I'm really at a loss on this one. Dorsey should be having a "come to Jesus" moment right now, watching the results of what he had advocated with Musk. But instead he seems to be in some weird denial, blaming himself rather than admitting what Musk is doing.

It's very strange. But perhaps is reflective of the internal struggle conservatives seem to have in rejecting their idols, or the prior embracement of them, no matter how badly they behave.

I've seen something similar on school boards, they will defend their hired administrator to the hilt, even when caught lying or acting in opposition to the welfare of the students. They have some kind of weird allegiance to their own infallibility, rather than to the facts or the truth.


So who is to blame for Twitter carrying Michelle Obama and the Dems water? Deleting tweets and banning users at their say so? Really? Or are you just going to ignore it?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitte ... ed-company


Your position implies business owners don’t have a right to have political opinions. That’s absurd.

Also you have no 1A right to tweet - the company owns all the hardware and proprietary systems that host the content you post for free. S230 allows website owners to curate self-published content as they please.

People are waaaay too emotional about this.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:43 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Your position implies business owners don’t have a right to have political opinions. That’s absurd.

Also you have no 1A right to tweet - the company owns all the hardware and proprietary systems that host the content you post for free. S230 allows website owners to curate self-published content as they please.

People are waaaay too emotional about this.

A bit of a sticky wicket this.

You are saying Twitter has the right to choose who they post/publish and apply their political opinions etc. in determining that.

Tugg
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:55 am

Tugger wrote:
A bit of a sticky wicket this.

You are saying Twitter has the right to choose who they post/publish and apply their political opinions etc. in determining that.

Tugg


This appears to be Musk's de facto position, in spite of his protestations to the contrary. It's also the position of, say, the Washington Post.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:18 am

Newark727 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
A bit of a sticky wicket this.

You are saying Twitter has the right to choose who they post/publish and apply their political opinions etc. in determining that.

Tugg


This appears to be Musk's de facto position, in spite of his protestations to the contrary. It's also the position of, say, the Washington Post.


What's interesting here is the goal-seeking performed by all commercial interests that deal in information. If the goal is to attract the largest user base, then the long-standing presumption is that the base will value truth and accuracy. And also that the interests have legal liability for inaccuracy, to motivate their adherence to standards.

In the modern world, there has been a breakdown in these two presumptions, which has been largely driven by the Internet, and the freedom of communication and access to information it provides. As well as the removal of legal liability.

That is a counterintuitive result, and not the one that was expected. Until you consider the innate tribalism of human nature. Tribes have historically been defined by geographic boundaries. The Internet permits tribe definition by ideological boundaries, with their members organizing almost without limit.

That has resulted in fragmentation, not only in opinion which has always been present, but now in factual representations of truth as well. When Kellyanne Conway first argued "alternative facts" in the mainstream, that was a watershed event. The topic was trivial, the size of the inauguration crowd. But this splintering of the basic notion of truth, has since blossomed and flourished. It existed long before, but not in the mainstream as it does today.

This created new opportunities for commercial information interests, in that they no longer need to goal-seek for truth and accuracy, to develop a large user base. They can cater the provision of information to the chosen tribe, and still have a lucrative financial model. Which is the ultimate expansion of the splintering noted above. There can be multiple versions put forth for basic facts & truth. News can be a boutique offering, you can choose the truth that is best to your liking, and for your tribe.

However, this also leads to the inevitable collision of tribal truths on social media, where the tribes come together. The fierceness of this collision is an oddity, in that the tribes apparently don't have self-awareness of the selection of truth they have made. Despite having knowingly made this selection, they still view their selected truth as a singular entity.

The problem here is that social media is also a commercial interest, which needs to goal-seek for their user base. Which leaves them with a dilemma, they can either become a boutique offering, such as Truth Social, or they can try to mediate or moderate between the tribal truths, like Facebook and Twitter.

That in turn creates huge stakes for the mediation method chosen. One method is no moderation, a free-for-all. This is the free-speech absolutist position. It runs the risk of the most extreme tribes driving the others away.

Another is fact-checking, to identify a singular truth, and then use it to attenuate the others. That will invoke the outrage of the tribes whose selected truth is attenuated, who will claim censorship, deprivation of rights, and may also choose to leave.

Another is to have a truth-master or judge, who decides what is allowed and what isn't, without appeal or due process. That too will invoke outrage from the various tribes.

At the root of all this, is the splintering of truth into multiple tribal versions, each complete with their own facts, while simultaneously considering each version to be singular and excluding all others. That obviously is a logical contradiction.

If truth is singular, then we all have to accept fact-checking as the mediation method, even if it doesn't support our tribe. This is the basis of our justice system. If truth is selective, then no solution really exists for the tribal information wars.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:43 am

Tugger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Your position implies business owners don’t have a right to have political opinions. That’s absurd.

Also you have no 1A right to tweet - the company owns all the hardware and proprietary systems that host the content you post for free. S230 allows website owners to curate self-published content as they please.

People are waaaay too emotional about this.

A bit of a sticky wicket this.

You are saying Twitter has the right to choose who they post/publish and apply their political opinions etc. in determining that.

Tugg


True, it's not ideal, but it is the current law. All this squawking about 1A and what not is over the top though, even if requests were coming from government officials. No law anywhere says corporations or individuals don't have a right to agree with the government. Without force of law, they are merely opinions from government employees - that Twitter could either accept or disagree with. There is no inherent right to unlimited speech on private property, for better or worse.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:25 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
A bit of a sticky wicket this.

You are saying Twitter has the right to choose who they post/publish and apply their political opinions etc. in determining that.

Tugg


This appears to be Musk's de facto position, in spite of his protestations to the contrary. It's also the position of, say, the Washington Post.


What's interesting here is the goal-seeking performed by all commercial interests that deal in information. If the goal is to attract the largest user base, then the long-standing presumption is that the base will value truth and accuracy. And also that the interests have legal liability for inaccuracy, to motivate their adherence to standards.

In the modern world, there has been a breakdown in these two presumptions, which has been largely driven by the Internet, and the freedom of communication and access to information it provides. As well as the removal of legal liability.

That is a counterintuitive result, and not the one that was expected. Until you consider the innate tribalism of human nature. Tribes have historically been defined by geographic boundaries. The Internet permits tribe definition by ideological boundaries, with their members organizing almost without limit.

That has resulted in fragmentation, not only in opinion which has always been present, but now in factual representations of truth as well. When Kellyanne Conway first argued "alternative facts" in the mainstream, that was a watershed event. The topic was trivial, the size of the inauguration crowd. But this splintering of the basic notion of truth, has since blossomed and flourished. It existed long before, but not in the mainstream as it does today.

This created new opportunities for commercial information interests, in that they no longer need to goal-seek for truth and accuracy, to develop a large user base. They can cater the provision of information to the chosen tribe, and still have a lucrative financial model. Which is the ultimate expansion of the splintering noted above. There can be multiple versions put forth for basic facts & truth. News can be a boutique offering, you can choose the truth that is best to your liking, and for your tribe.

However, this also leads to the inevitable collision of tribal truths on social media, where the tribes come together. The fierceness of this collision is an oddity, in that the tribes apparently don't have self-awareness of the selection of truth they have made. Despite having knowingly made this selection, they still view their selected truth as a singular entity.

The problem here is that social media is also a commercial interest, which needs to goal-seek for their user base. Which leaves them with a dilemma, they can either become a boutique offering, such as Truth Social, or they can try to mediate or moderate between the tribal truths, like Facebook and Twitter.

That in turn creates huge stakes for the mediation method chosen. One method is no moderation, a free-for-all. This is the free-speech absolutist position. It runs the risk of the most extreme tribes driving the others away.

Another is fact-checking, to identify a singular truth, and then use it to attenuate the others. That will invoke the outrage of the tribes whose selected truth is attenuated, who will claim censorship, deprivation of rights, and may also choose to leave.

Another is to have a truth-master or judge, who decides what is allowed and what isn't, without appeal or due process. That too will invoke outrage from the various tribes.

At the root of all this, is the splintering of truth into multiple tribal versions, each complete with their own facts, while simultaneously considering each version to be singular and excluding all others. That obviously is a logical contradiction.

If truth is singular, then we all have to accept fact-checking as the mediation method, even if it doesn't support our tribe. This is the basis of our justice system. If truth is selective, then no solution really exists for the tribal information wars.



That is an interesting discussion ,but in discussing truth vs fact. "Their own facts" need to be facts that can be proved. Otherwise they are truths with incomplete data. In a world with true interaction, hyperbole and false assertions do need to be pointed out. Facts should be able to be added to to get to an answer. The basic drawing card though cannot start with a false assertion and then work to find facts. This is what the whole "stolen election" brigade pushes. These are breakdowns in communiucations because they are garbage inputs.. This is why people were banned on Jan 6 from twitter.


Now we have Musk banning peoplle that he doesn't appreciate their 1st amendment rights, which as a private company, he can do it. He may be going against his stated beleifs, but lo and behold off we go.
and he is going to sue someone for their first amendment rights being exercised to follow a plane that has it's information publiclly available.

So let's take this further. Person posts plane position Banned,



New rules:
""Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation," Musk tweeted. "This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn't a safety problem, so is ok."

"Doxxing" refers to disclosing online someone's identity, address, or other personal details."


https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/11429671 ... rivate-jet


Wait just a second? What about all those people posting about the sporting events ,or live music events.
"Saw Bob at Bon Jovi"---banneed?
"Awesome Catch by T.Hill @Miami " Banned?

Musk is making up rules on the fly, and destroying the platform that was based on real time information.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:51 pm

casinterest wrote:

That is an interesting discussion ,but in discussing truth vs fact. "Their own facts" need to be facts that can be proved. Otherwise they are truths with incomplete data. In a world with true interaction, hyperbole and false assertions do need to be pointed out. Facts should be able to be added to to get to an answer. The basic drawing card though cannot start with a false assertion and then work to find facts. This is what the whole "stolen election" brigade pushes. These are breakdowns in communiucations because they are garbage inputs.. This is why people were banned on Jan 6 from twitter.



Agreed, because we see truth as a singular entity that can be represented in terms of facts, which can be independently and objectively verified.

I mentioned Conway because she clearly stated, with the full force of belief, that facts are subjective and can be altered. That had been a long running undercurrent of conservative talk shows, but it broke out into the mainstream with Trump's election. Things he did not dare to say as Candidate Trump, he said with impunity as President Trump. And continues to do so. As does Kari Lake and other true believers.

Their belief is that they can manufacture their own version of the truth, and that their version has equal validity. Anyone who disputes that, is censoring them and violating their First Amendment rights.

This is what social media must contend with, it's the reality that exists today. In the justice system comprised of courts, the factual standard still stands, and the courts have power of enforcement. Social media applying the factual standard, are risking a great deal, especially in the accusations of misconduct from the true believers.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:37 pm

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Now we have Musk banning peoplle that he doesn't appreciate their 1st amendment rights, which as a private company, he can do it. He may be going against his stated beleifs, but lo and behold off we go. and he is going to sue someone for their first amendment rights being exercised to follow a plane that has it's information publiclly available.

So let's take this further. Person posts plane position Banned,



New rules:
""Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation," Musk tweeted. "This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn't a safety problem, so is ok."

"Doxxing" refers to disclosing online someone's identity, address, or other personal details."


https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/11429671 ... rivate-jet


Wait just a second? What about all those people posting about the sporting events ,or live music events.
"Saw Bob at Bon Jovi"---banneed?
"Awesome Catch by T.Hill @Miami " Banned?

Musk is making up rules on the fly, and destroying the platform that was based on real time information.


If you quoted the exact regulation, he can't even create any good regulation as showing a real-tine location of a private jet isn't the same as showing the real-time location of a person. One cannot be sure who is on that plane. Moreover, it states "someone" or "anyone" indicating a natural person not a vehicle or other non-natural person object. Moreover, he doesn't define "slightly delayed". As such it's open for debate. Then again, I would not think Musk would be able to daft good regulation as he hates regulations.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:41 pm

LJ wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Now we have Musk banning peoplle that he doesn't appreciate their 1st amendment rights, which as a private company, he can do it. He may be going against his stated beleifs, but lo and behold off we go. and he is going to sue someone for their first amendment rights being exercised to follow a plane that has it's information publiclly available.

So let's take this further. Person posts plane position Banned,



New rules:
""Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation," Musk tweeted. "This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn't a safety problem, so is ok."

"Doxxing" refers to disclosing online someone's identity, address, or other personal details."


https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/11429671 ... rivate-jet


Wait just a second? What about all those people posting about the sporting events ,or live music events.
"Saw Bob at Bon Jovi"---banneed?
"Awesome Catch by T.Hill @Miami " Banned?

Musk is making up rules on the fly, and destroying the platform that was based on real time information.


If you quoted the exact regulation, he can't even create any good regulation as showing a real-tine location of a private jet isn't the same as showing the real-time location of a person. One cannot be sure who is on that plane. Moreover, it states "someone" or "anyone" indicating a natural person not a vehicle or other non-natural person object. Moreover, he doesn't define "slightly delayed". As such it's open for debate. Then again, I would not think Musk would be able to daft good regulation as he hates regulations.


Musk lives by the Axiom, Rules for thee, not for me.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:47 pm

Wow, just reading in another forum, Musk's supporters are claiming the threats against ex-Twitter employees are made-up, in an attempt to influence the left-wing media. Only 0.001% chance that they are true.

Then in the same posts, they claim that the pedophile label given by Musk to Roth is legitimate, and that he deserves whatever happens to him.

The total lack of any facts, logic, or reasoning in those posts is truly stunning. That is Musk's tribe, sad to say.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:09 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
Wow, just reading in another forum, Musk's supporters are claiming the threats against ex-Twitter employees are made-up, in an attempt to influence the left-wing media. Only 0.001% chance that they are true.

Then in the same posts, they claim that the pedophile label given by Musk to Roth is legitimate, and that he deserves whatever happens to him.

The total lack of any facts, logic, or reasoning in those posts is truly stunning. That is Musk's tribe, sad to say.


One thing I have really learned the last few years is the 'common man' is easily bamboozled by wealthy people who are NOT self-made but troll in just a crazy enough way. As Adam Serwer said, 'the cruelty is the point'.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:29 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:
Wow, just reading in another forum, Musk's supporters are claiming the threats against ex-Twitter employees are made-up, in an attempt to influence the left-wing media. Only 0.001% chance that they are true.

Then in the same posts, they claim that the pedophile label given by Musk to Roth is legitimate, and that he deserves whatever happens to him.

The total lack of any facts, logic, or reasoning in those posts is truly stunning. That is Musk's tribe, sad to say.


One thing I have really learned the last few years is the 'common man' is easily bamboozled by wealthy people who are NOT self-made but troll in... 'the cruelty is the point'.


...and they have held the upper hand since inception of the 'written word'..and powers accompanying it - over the illiterate masses.

'Common man' is lucky he gets to bask in the illusion of power participation..(aka voting).


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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:38 pm

Musk is not enjoying this one bit..it wasn't suppose to unfold this way.

His core confidence has to be shaken, he knows he's on safe solid ground with SpaceX & Tesla...but he's getting more spotlight than he wants at this moment
where everyone is looking at you kinda weird..is the 'respect in his presence holding' or is it diminishing? He has a close group around him but if just one starts appearing sus...they all just might. This is when the mind starts playing tricks on you. I'm certain he has a detox spot for mental clarity or dipping into Grimes' stash.
Just hard to imagine seeing everyone around you having an objective or higher aim...though to contain.

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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:14 am

Avatar2go wrote:
Wow, just reading in another forum, Musk's supporters are claiming the threats against ex-Twitter employees are made-up, in an attempt to influence the left-wing media. Only 0.001% chance that they are true.

Then in the same posts, they claim that the pedophile label given by Musk to Roth is legitimate, and that he deserves whatever happens to him.

The total lack of any facts, logic, or reasoning in those posts is truly stunning. That is Musk's tribe, sad to say.


Is it really any different to the Cult of Trump?
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:51 am

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Is it really any different to the Cult of Trump?


No, in fact the same group is in play, and for the same reasons. I've said this for years now. They are both cults of personality, relying on the same tactics and strategies, when it comes to their followers.

Trump was seen as a business genius, Musk is seen as a technology genius. Musk far more deservedly so than Trump. But the test of character is what they do with their followings, and how they respond to the anger they rile up. Do they act to quiet it, or to encourage it?
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:08 am

Now journalists are getting banned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 46293.html

Twitter has suspended the account of prominent liberal journalist Aaron Rupar as well as reporters from CNN, The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Rupar, who has more than 788,000 followers, had his account suspended the day after Twitter suspended then restored an account that followed the movements of the billionaire’s private jet.


Musk has completely lost the trail here. I imagine paranoia is setting in now that he got booed with Chapelle, had a deeply unsettling attack on his family occur, and now all the investors in Tesla are getting upset about their loss of money.

I don't know where this ends, but I am guessing Musk is going to get a lot worse before he gets better.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:07 am

Yeah, Elon is losing it here. Although one gets tired of pointing out the contradictions and the hypocrisy, he just finished placing other's families lives at risk with false accusations. But now he suspends people for putting his family at risk, with factual information.

So which is it, Elon? Is it ok when you do it to others, but not ok when it's done to you?

Just proves again what others have said above, there are two sets of rules, one for him and one for everyone else.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:46 am

A footnote to Musk's suspension of journalists, it was confirmed today that Twitter is blocking profile links to Mastodon, as users inform their followers of their alternative presence on that platform. The reason given is that Mastodon links may contain potentially harmful content.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:50 am

casinterest wrote:
Now journalists are getting banned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 46293.html

Twitter has suspended the account of prominent liberal journalist Aaron Rupar as well as reporters from CNN, The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Rupar, who has more than 788,000 followers, had his account suspended the day after Twitter suspended then restored an account that followed the movements of the billionaire’s private jet.


Musk has completely lost the trail here. I imagine paranoia is setting in now that he got booed with Chapelle, had a deeply unsettling attack on his family occur, and now all the investors in Tesla are getting upset about their loss of money.

I don't know where this ends, but I am guessing Musk is going to get a lot worse before he gets better.


Here's another non-paywalled article:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-med ... -rcna62032

It also says he has suspended Mastodon's Twitter account...


Fame and fortune can do some amazing things to people's brain. Some handle it better than others. It seems to have hit Elon pretty hard and given him a massive case of megalomania and God-syndrome.

His Twitter power-trip is costing him dearly however. It's amazing to watch him sell more TSLA shares to fund his purchase of the platform he is running to the ground, while at the same time severely deflating the value of the stock.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... es-twitter

Now that he's down to selling the furniture, it appears that he may want to take SpaceX public, which will be very interesting to watch.

SpaceX is another very hyped Musk venture, one that appears to be doing well on the face of it. Of course, there is no way to know for sure since the company is private for now, but selling it will no doubt reveal a lot about their finances.

I'm sure there's enough of the Elon-hype still going around for those shares to be sold at an inflated price, but there is so much we don't know about how much Starlink and Starship development are costing them and the actual nature and viability of their business model. I can't wait.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:17 am

Musk has done another poll on Twitter, about unsuspending the journalist accounts, which Twitter users voted to do immediately. He tried again with more options, still the vote was to unsuspend now.

Then he claimed there were too many options so he will redo the poll later. Obviously the poll must be wrong if it didn't yield a result that supported him.

The man has no credibility left.
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:25 am

The ADS-b exchange has been suspended from Twitter...

https://twitter.com/lemonodor/status/16 ... ddpYJoy3Iw
 
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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:56 am

Francoflier wrote:

Fame and fortune can do some amazing things to people's brain. Some handle it better than others. It seems to have hit Elon pretty hard and given him a massive case of megalomania and God-syndrome.
...

SpaceX is another very hyped Musk venture, one that appears to be doing well on the face of it. Of course, there is no way to know for sure since the company is private for now, but selling it will no doubt reveal a lot about their finances.

I'm sure there's enough of the Elon-hype still going around for those shares to be sold at an inflated price, but there is so much we don't know about how much Starlink and Starship development are costing them and the actual nature and viability of their business model. I can't wait.


In his defense (I admire his intellect and abhor his disastrous social ineptitude across the board, a publicist friend knows 'a post Grimes ex-' ...) but I digress,
No one has been where he is or was last week, on verge of becoming the world's first Trillionaire.

In the money world You Are God!

That is a tough, tough burden to shoulder knowing all the while plenty are plotting sabotage and competition. It means you can't afford to get too close to anyone of very few people and that is no way to improve social skills or keep abreast of constantly evolving soclal trends..you become detached. Plus being sexually retarded (sorry no better term for it) Bill Gates a victim - it means you achive all the power in the world and all the best sex that comes along with it [100% unsolicited] YET you have no idea how to finesse, navigate and filter through it all aka play the game).
That mentality compels one to seek out an Epstein for discretion or you dare out to take your chances with 'being normal' aka dating a commoner. All guys who are all business types (except some like Erwin Schrödinger types who can do both) who end up with bank vaults of cash find themselves amid delayed horniness and lose focus addressing it.
On the sexual level, it's really a no win situation. Unless you've got a 'most clever Epstein purveyor', which do exist. And you can keep your mouth shut.

But the all around endless waves of pressure soon has the faces of friends blending with the faces of the suspicious or threats of sorts...basically, justifiable paranoia in my opinion.
There is no handbook on 'being first of..' fill in the blank.

You can only hear so many well meaning platitudes that they begin to sound 'cheap' and pushes you to avoid crowds all together.

He won't go Howard Hughes on us, but with the pace of discovery today, the next Elon is already here somewhere followed by more.
I wouldn't write him off just yet but he needs to pull the hell away from that Kanye stupidity and he has the wiggle room to do it.

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Re: Musk, Twitter News and Discussion Thread

Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:07 am

PHLspecial wrote:
The ADS-b exchange has been suspended from Twitter...

https://twitter.com/lemonodor/status/16 ... ddpYJoy3Iw


I can see that this one makes sense to Musk, since it's sites like ADSB Exchange that enable the tracking of planes.

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