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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:12 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
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Do you every read someone's post who has a different opinion/view than you for comprehension or is it just to look for points to argue? I said, no less than three times, that I think it is being used politically. Your article doesn't lay out a good case that it is out of line, in fact, I thought it shows how Russia handles most of these cases very similar.

“Foreigners tend to receive stricter sentences because it’s harder to impose a non-custodial sentence,” said Levinson.

The article goes on to talk about how she supported Briona Taylor, which has nothing to do with the Russian sentence.


The article states three years. This conversation started because you jumped in about my assertion that the sentence was too long. Don't talk about points to argue when it was you who jumped in.


The three years read like an opinion to me. I don't see any facts to back that up.


Quoted in the article from someone with experience.

Either way. Folks are working in the state department to get her released and on with her life.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:17 pm

casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

The article states three years. This conversation started because you jumped in about my assertion that the sentence was too long. Don't talk about points to argue when it was you who jumped in.


The three years read like an opinion to me. I don't see any facts to back that up.


Quoted in the article from someone with experience.

Either way. Folks are working in the state department to get her released and on with her life.

Are they also equally working to have the teacher also released?

Tugg
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:27 pm

Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

The three years read like an opinion to me. I don't see any facts to back that up.


Quoted in the article from someone with experience.

Either way. Folks are working in the state department to get her released and on with her life.

Are they also equally working to have the teacher also released?

Tugg

From what i understand. Yes.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:54 am

casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

The article states three years. This conversation started because you jumped in about my assertion that the sentence was too long. Don't talk about points to argue when it was you who jumped in.


The three years read like an opinion to me. I don't see any facts to back that up.


Quoted in the article from someone with experience.

Either way. Folks are working in the state department to get her released and on with her life.


Hypothetical question here.

Assuming the prisoner swap/exchange does indeed take place, would she have the conviction recorded or will it be expunged? Don't certain countries bar people who have a conviction against their name to enter?
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:18 pm

889091 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
bpatus297 wrote:

The three years read like an opinion to me. I don't see any facts to back that up.


Quoted in the article from someone with experience.

Either way. Folks are working in the state department to get her released and on with her life.


Hypothetical question here.

Assuming the prisoner swap/exchange does indeed take place, would she have the conviction recorded or will it be expunged? Don't certain countries bar people who have a conviction against their name to enter?


That would depend on the negotiations, but i doubt she would ever care to return anyway.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:26 pm

No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-

The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years;
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:12 pm

889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-

The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years;
I almost couldn't get into Australia because of a 32 year old Impaired Driving conviction.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:49 am

johns624 wrote:
889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-

The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years;
I almost couldn't get into Australia because of a 32 year old Impaired Driving conviction.


I have been searched thoroughly a few times at the Canadian border because of an arrest over a parking ticket.

The number of "but I have never forgot to unpack anything" people is breath taking. We all have done it. We all have. Get over it. We all have forgotten stuff. Why is it so hard to believe that she did too? Or even harder to believe that she was set up?
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:34 am

seb146 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

I almost couldn't get into Australia because of a 32 year old Impaired Driving conviction.


I have been searched thoroughly a few times at the Canadian border because of an arrest over a parking ticket.

The number of "but I have never forgot to unpack anything" people is breath taking. We all have done it. We all have. Get over it. We all have forgotten stuff. Why is it so hard to believe that she did too? Or even harder to believe that she was set up?


You’re literally the only person pushing the she was set up line.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:22 pm

The funny thing about entering Australia and getting pulled aside for questioning is that it happened twice. We flew into SYD for our cruise and got there during the 7am international flights rush. I was interviewed and we were sent on our way. Two weeks later, we flew back into SYD from AKL. I was pulled aside again, this time by an ornery supervisor. We asked if I had ever been to Australia before. I said yeah, two weeks ago. It turns out that in the rush, the first immigration officer hadn't put that he had admitted me into the computer. She asked if I remembered the officer's name. I didn't, but I just took it as an honest mistake.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:34 pm

889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-

The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years;


That will depend on what the UK considers a valid imprisonment coming from a backwater country
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:38 pm

889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-

The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years;


That would depend on what other countries can see.

Hypothetically speaking, there are eight countries that will bar entry to a US citizen with a DUI conviction on their record.

However, Canada is the only one where that ever actually happens. The reason for this is that Canada has access to the US' NCIC database since a little after 9/11, owing to a reciprocity from the US.

While it is never certain, Canada does have the ability identify these particular citizens and deny entry.

But none of the others have that visibility.

If her situation were similar, she would need to utilize the very clever ruse of not jumping up and down screaming that she's that basketball player Russia jailed that one time, and she's likely fine.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:47 pm

If the prisoner swap happens I wonder if the US government will downgrade Russia's travel advisory.

Nevermind, I checked, it's already code red (4) : Do Not Travel
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:54 pm

Aesma wrote:
If the prisoner swap happens I wonder if the US government will downgrade Russia's travel advisory.

Nevermind, I checked, it's already code red (4) : Do Not Travel


Why would any US citizen consider going to Russia at the moment save for professional or compassionate reasons? Very high risk behaviour, I would think.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:57 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:

Hypothetically speaking, there are eight countries that will bar entry to a US citizen with a DUI conviction on their record.

However, Canada is the only one where that ever actually happens. The reason for this is that Canada has access to the US' NCIC database since a little after 9/11, owing to a reciprocity from the US.

While it is never certain, Canada does have the ability identify these particular citizens and deny entry.

But none of the others have that visibility.

If her situation were similar, she would need to utilize the very clever ruse of not jumping up and down screaming that she's that basketball player Russia jailed that one time, and she's likely fine.
I believe Australia does, also. I put in for an e-visa and got an immediate denial. There's no other way that they would've known. It was funny trying to get the documentation they wanted. The court had destroyed their records years ago and the state computer printout didn't go back that far.
 
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Re: Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 yrs

Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:29 pm

seb146 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
889091 wrote:
No, I meant her ability to travel to other countries apart from Russia.

For example the UK:
https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling ... prisonment.

I almost couldn't get into Australia because of a 32 year old Impaired Driving conviction.


I have been searched thoroughly a few times at the Canadian border because of an arrest over a parking ticket.

The number of "but I have never forgot to unpack anything" people is breath taking. We all have done it. We all have. Get over it. We all have forgotten stuff. Why is it so hard to believe that she did too? Or even harder to believe that she was set up?


No, we have not all forgotten about marijuana/CBD vape pens in our backpacks while traveling internationally.
 
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