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Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:20 pm

Former President Donald Trump is confirming that his Mar-A-Lago home has been raided by FBI agents today.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics ... index.html
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:14 am

Don't know why, but for some reason I'm envisioning this with that scene in the movie "Casino" with Joe Pesci hitting golf balls at the FBI plane
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:29 am

Trump would be silent if this were a big deal.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:45 am

LabQuest wrote:
Trump would be silent if this were a big deal.


I don’t think Trump has the ability to remain silent…..

Which investigation may this search warrant be related to? DoJ January 6th? DoJ classified documents probe? State of Georgia attempt to overturn Georgia results probe? Manhattan DA corruption investigation? NY State AG corruption investigation? Westchester NY tax dodge probe? Michigan fake electors scandal?

So many to chose from…….
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:47 am

Sadly Trump himself wasn't at Mar-A-Largo, most likely he was at his Bedminster, NJ golf course residence - the same place that recently held a LIV golf tournament. Per the linked news article in the initial post, it suggest the target is a number of boxes of documents from Trump's term as President, including security sensitive and confidential documents that shouldn't have been included when sent to him in Florida after he left office. Hopefully this is first step in going after Trump and seen criminal prosecution against him.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:59 am

LabQuest wrote:
Trump would be silent if this were a big deal.


Trump is simply too stupid to keep his mouth shut.

Since President Biden was sworn in those 15 boxes set aside for a trip to Florida have left a lot of people (including me) wondering when we would see what the government will do with those boxes.

Classified documents were high on my list, but little gifts of gold from visits to (or from) the Middle East would probably be hidden, especially if encrusted with jewels.

I'm also waiting for Trump getting arrested, given the perp walk and his mug shots (with and without wigs) going around the world.

All in all, this has been the perfect ending of a week Biden will long remember!
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:05 am

ltbewr wrote:
Sadly Trump himself wasn't at Mar-A-Largo, most likely he was at his Bedminster, NJ golf course residence - the same place that recently held a LIV golf tournament. Per the linked news article in the initial post, it suggest the target is a number of boxes of documents from Trump's term as President, including security sensitive and confidential documents that shouldn't have been included when sent to him in Florida after he left office. Hopefully this is first step in going after Trump and seen criminal prosecution against him.


I don't think the Justice Department would risk something as explosive as indicting a former president over a minor issue such as holding on to sensitive documents. He could always pin the blame on someone else and claim that a member of his staff made a mistake when cataloguing and archiving the mountain of documents from his 4 years in office.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:18 am

LabQuest wrote:
Trump would be silent


Does not compute.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:45 am

alberchico wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Sadly Trump himself wasn't at Mar-A-Largo, most likely he was at his Bedminster, NJ golf course residence - the same place that recently held a LIV golf tournament. Per the linked news article in the initial post, it suggest the target is a number of boxes of documents from Trump's term as President, including security sensitive and confidential documents that shouldn't have been included when sent to him in Florida after he left office. Hopefully this is first step in going after Trump and seen criminal prosecution against him.


I don't think the Justice Department would risk something as explosive as indicting a former president over a minor issue such as holding on to sensitive documents. He could always pin the blame on someone else and claim that a member of his staff made a mistake when cataloguing and archiving the mountain of documents from his 4 years in office.

Unless there was recent, and actionable intelligence that he had taken sensitive documents, with the intention to giving them to a third party.

No way they would have just gone after him for mishandling sensitive documents; it would have to be what he intended on doing with said sensitive documents.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:45 am

LabQuest wrote:
Trump would be silent if this were a big deal.


"Silent" is just one of many things that Trump doesn't know how to do.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:47 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
I don’t think Trump has the ability to remain silent…..


Indeed - it's why he would never be allowed to take the stand in any court case, because he wouldn't be able to stop himself from running his mouth.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:00 am

alberchico wrote:

I don't think the Justice Department would risk something as explosive as indicting a former president over a minor issue such as holding on to sensitive documents. He could always pin the blame on someone else and claim that a member of his staff made a mistake when cataloguing and archiving the mountain of documents from his 4 years in office.


Under US Code 2071:

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text ... 20in%20any

So even if he didn't unwillingly remove the documents from White House if it's proven when he discovered them he tried to destroy them, conceal them (not report them), make false statements about them etc he faces 3 years in prison (which probably won't happen) but permanent disqualification from holding any federal office, including President.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:23 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
alberchico wrote:

I don't think the Justice Department would risk something as explosive as indicting a former president over a minor issue such as holding on to sensitive documents. He could always pin the blame on someone else and claim that a member of his staff made a mistake when cataloguing and archiving the mountain of documents from his 4 years in office.


Under US Code 2071:

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text ... 20in%20any

So even if he didn't unwillingly remove the documents from White House if it's proven when he discovered them he tried to destroy them, conceal them (not report them), make false statements about them etc he faces 3 years in prison (which probably won't happen) but permanent disqualification from holding any federal office, including President.


Also add 18 U.S.C. 1924:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.


If it’s unauthorized removal of government records and classified documents (18 U.S.C. 2071 and 1924), their presence at Mar-a-Lago IS the crime. That’s it. Therefore, probable cause was proven by finding them. Res ipsa loquitur.

Also, if he had the intent of handing over said classified documents to a foreign government, 18 U.S.C. § 794(a) also applies:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/794

(a) Whoever, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof, either directly or indirectly, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, note, instrument, appliance, or information relating to the national defense, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power (as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:25 am

I don't think that the FBI will go there without informing Trump or his secret service team, and they are not that stupid to go without proper clearance from all authorities, plus they will not go for some minor issue it should be something big that Mr. Trump didn't want to show or give after polite letters and requests .
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:03 am

Ron DeSantis is drooling in his pajamas this morning.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:01 pm

What was that about "Lock her up"? I can't wait for The Daily Show to put up a montage of Fox News outraged at the mishandling of emails and demanding Clinton face charges, compared to now where they're outraged that someone mishandling potentially sensitive information could face charges.

ThePointblank wrote:
Unless there was recent, and actionable intelligence that he had taken sensitive documents, with the intention to giving them to a third party.

No way they would have just gone after him for mishandling sensitive documents; it would have to be what he intended on doing with said sensitive documents.

Having possession of classified documents after knowingly taking them out is already a misdemeanor (wouldn't necessarily call it a crime), but you ARE breaking the law. Even if he had the documents as president in his SCIF, his authority over them was over at noon on Jan 20, 2021 and as such he needed to return them. But simple possession wouldn't warrant the FBI to raid your house unless they have reason to believe that you're doing something with the documents, which begs the question: apparently documents WERE seized...what kind of documents, how sensitive, and what does the DoJ believe Trump was doing with those documents?

Given his habit of wanting to be around foreign VIPs, I would not be surprised if he is doing some form of pay for play: "Pay for exclusive MAL membership/Help me finance loans for the Trump Organization and I'll show you sensitive classified information".

A regular person like myself would face steep charges for being in unlawful and willing possession of classified documents, but selling them to foreigners would likely land me a lifetime sentence depending on how sensitive the information is.

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There are enough people who served in the Trump White House that still have either some integrity or knew enough to CYA that I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more as time passes.

Those people, IMO, are just as guilty for not raising the flags when it was happening.

Yesterday a photo was making the rounds of wads of paper in a toilet bowl, in an attempt to show that Trump really did flush documents down the drain (and finally make sense of his rant against toilet flushing...which apparently people have to flush 10-15 times...don't know what toilet they use...). Assuming such a photo is real (I have reservations), why is it that it's released NOW and not when it was happening? Oh you have a book coming out? Then you should forfeit any profits from it when you've apparently been sitting on something incriminating.

Integrity, my @$$.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:07 pm

Wray was a Trump appointee which dispels notions that that this is a grand, deep state, take down. Presumably a judge would have signed off on the warrant? Which as well speaks to the fact that this isn’t a cooked up attack by rogue actors.

It will be important for clarity to be provided asap - to outline the evidence/situation/facts - as to what prompted the search. Any void of info by those involved will allow space for others to spin their own facts and muddy the waters (though they will likely do so anyway) and further advance their interest in deligitimizing institutions.

More importantly, I worry about the reaction this could generate from far right actors and the potential for violent acts committed against politicians, public officials etc.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:29 pm

skyservice_330 wrote:
Wray was a Trump appointee which dispels notions that that this is a grand, deep state, take down. Presumably a judge would have signed off on the warrant? Which as well speaks to the fact that this isn’t a cooked up attack by rogue actors

You think that matters to the rabid commentarium?

einsteinboricua wrote:
Those people, IMO, are just as guilty for not raising the flags when it was happening.

Yesterday a photo was making the rounds of wads of paper in a toilet bowl, in an attempt to show that Trump really did flush documents down the drain (and finally make sense of his rant against toilet flushing...which apparently people have to flush 10-15 times...don't know what toilet they use...). Assuming such a photo is real (I have reservations), why is it that it's released NOW and not when it was happening? Oh you have a book coming out? Then you should forfeit any profits from it when you've apparently been sitting on something incriminating.

A fair point. Unfortunately that's just not the way the world works and timing plays a role in these things. Few people were going to listen to something like this while Trump was in office (hell, there were enough people who didn't think the very public things he did were a problem), and it's just a matter of the right frame.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:29 pm

At this point, with the Trump wing of the GOP, the basic rule of thumb is that if they are accusing others of something, it's because they are doing it themselves. Classic misdirection.

Trump said for many months that the election would be stolen, and he was right, he just neglected to mention it would be him doing the stealing.

Trump says that there is a witch hunt, deep state conspiracy against him, yet it's him that's claiming the pure conspiracy theory of non-existent election fraud.

Yesterday DePerno said investigating him for breaking into election machines was unethical, yet the AG recused herself and requested a special prosecutor, to comply with ethics and conflict of interest rules.

He also said he wasn't involved in the illegal activity, yet he cited those results, as well as Cyber Ninjas and the other parties involved, in his dismissed election lawsuit.

These people are counting on their supporters' emotional reaction to their misdirection, rather than rational thought or analysis of their claims. That's the whole basis of their political power.

The last person that did this with any degree of success, was Joe McCarthy in the 1950's. The notable similarity is the creation of a bogeyman, which allows the purveyor to tap into the fears and emotional response of the audience, and also feel comforted that the purveyor is protecting them from that bogeyman. That suppresses the thought process that should ordinarily dismiss the claims.

Thus the importance of continuously pushing the bogeyman, in the form of whatever conspiracy theory appeals to the audience. This is like any misdirection, it's obvious once you see through it.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:45 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
At this point, with the Trump wing of the GOP, the basic rule of thumb is that if they are accusing others of something, it's because they are doing it themselves. Classic misdirection.

Trump said for many months that the election would be stolen, and he was right, he just neglected to mention it would be him doing the stealing.

Trump says that there is a witch hunt, deep state conspiracy against him, yet it's him that's claiming the pure conspiracy theory of non-existent election fraud.

Yesterday DePerno said investigating him for breaking into election machines was unethical, yet the AG recused herself and requested a special prosecutor, to comply with ethics and conflict of interest rules.

He also said he wasn't involved in the illegal activity, yet he cited those results, as well as Cyber Ninjas and the other parties involved, in his dismissed election lawsuit.

These people are counting on their supporters' emotional reaction to their misdirection, rather than rational thought or analysis of their claims. That's the whole basis of their political power.

The last person that did this with any degree of success, was Joe McCarthy in the 1950's. The notable similarity is the creation of a bogeyman, which allows the purveyor to tap into the fears and emotional response of the audience, and also feel comforted that the purveyor is protecting them from that bogeyman. That suppresses the thought process that should ordinarily dismiss the claims.

Thus the importance of continuously pushing the bogeyman, in the form of whatever conspiracy theory appeals to the audience. This is like any misdirection, it's obvious once you see through it.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT EMPEROR BEHIND THE CURTAIN WITH NO CLOTHES ON!!!
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:46 pm

Scbriml because he wouldn't be able to stop himself from running his mouth.

Diarrhoea Don ….. excellent new nick name :bigthumbsup:
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:56 pm

luckyone wrote:
Avatar2go wrote:

The last person that did this with any degree of success, was Joe McCarthy in the 1950's. The notable similarity is the creation of a bogeyman, which allows the purveyor to tap into the fears and emotional response of the audience, and also feel comforted that the purveyor is protecting them from that bogeyman. That suppresses the thought process that should ordinarily dismiss the claims.

Thus the importance of continuously pushing the bogeyman, in the form of whatever conspiracy theory appeals to the audience. This is like any misdirection, it's obvious once you see through it.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT EMPEROR BEHIND THE CURTAIN WITH NO CLOTHES ON!!!


We really need an Edward R. Murrow to publicly debunk these claims, as occurred in the 50's. But there are few journalists today with his stature. Reporters tend to side with the political leanings of the outlet they work for, with few being truly independent.

The loss of journalistic independence is something that has contributed to the rise of Trump-like figures. Even truthful & unbiased analyses are attributed to bias of the organization. Very few have the stature to stand above that, as Murrow did.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:24 pm

I like the timing of the acting on this search warrant on Trump's Florida home when he was in his NY City/Northern NJ residences. Made it easier for it being served and acted on.

What may be the goal of this search warrant is to get back very highly security sensitive documents that he may have and shouldn't. Such documents likely include information as to potential terror attacks, diplomatic negotiations (including with China), actions by our spy/intelligence agencies, military decisions and movements, financial issues, oil and other valuable goods. If such info isn't properly secured, it could mean destroying critical information assets, put spies at risk, destroy diplomatic deals and military plans. They could also be use by some as illegal inside info to do stock and commodities buys/sells for massive profits.

I do hope that Trump gets charged, tried and convicted or a severe plea deal over these documents so at the least he cannot run for President or any public office again.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:36 pm

Avatar2go wrote:
The last person that did this with any degree of success, was Joe McCarthy in the 1950's. The notable similarity is the creation of a bogeyman, which allows the purveyor to tap into the fears and emotional response of the audience, and also feel comforted that the purveyor is protecting them from that bogeyman. That suppresses the thought process that should ordinarily dismiss the claims.


Throw in the typical moral panic and we are essentially back in 1950s. Just look at all those BS about CRTs right now...

The only thing left is for Kevin McCarthy to create a 2nd HUAC :duck:

As for the FBI raid itself - you gotta love the party of law and order complaining when law enforcement start to, well, enforce the law against them.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:43 pm

My favorite part was seeing lovely MTG calling for a defunding of the FBI. I hope there's damning evidence in that safe and see glorious number 45 behind bars.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:45 pm

Snuffaluffagus wrote:
My favorite part was seeing lovely MTG calling for a defunding of the FBI. I hope there's damning evidence in that safe and see glorious number 45 behind bars.

The dim bulb's particular talent is drawing attention to herself. Don't make it easier for her by giving any merit to anything she says.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:12 pm

Honestly I am thinking this was just to retrieve documents that Trump had ignored requests to return and nothing more. (Or likely he wasn't trusted to return on his own.)

No charges, not an investigation, nothing sinister. Just a retrieval of important documents. And little will be able to be said about it (which means Trump and his followers can make up all sorts of crap in the vacuum.)

Tugg
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:55 pm

The likely reason for this FBI action;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... 6-hearings

And some suitably acidic commentary of this vile creature, his minions and their dropped-on-their-heads-as children supporters;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... p-law-2024
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:55 pm

I was just on a "gun forum" and a few members opined that they didn't understand why the Secret Service didn't "defend" the property. They obviously don't know what their job is.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:03 pm

johns624 wrote:
I was just on a "gun forum" and a few members opined that they didn't understand why the Secret Service didn't "defend" the property. They obviously don't know what their job is.


Anyone who finds themselves asking "why didn't the Secret Service shoot at the FBI agents?" should probably reevaluate some things.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:24 pm

Have the released what they found in the raid?
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:40 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Have the released what they found in the raid?


Why should they? Especially the fact that it's likely an active investigation.

You can always submit an FOIA request, of course...
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:43 pm

ACDC8 wrote:
Don't know why, but for some reason I'm envisioning this with that scene in the movie "Casino" with Joe Pesci hitting golf balls at the FBI plane

I'm picturing the opening scene of Schitt's Creek where they're raided and Moira Rose tries to grab all her wigs
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:55 pm

Newark727 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I was just on a "gun forum" and a few members opined that they didn't understand why the Secret Service didn't "defend" the property. They obviously don't know what their job is.


Anyone who finds themselves asking "why didn't the Secret Service shoot at the FBI agents?" should probably reevaluate some things.

Quite probably the request for docs went to the Secret Service and they turned to the FBI to carry out the warrant and search.

Tugg
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:32 pm

I'm sorry, I saw these meme and had to share:

"The fact that he was flushing documents down the toilet in a house that literally has 28 fireplaces should prove that he's not fit for office."
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:50 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:

Why should they? Especially the fact that it's likely an active investigation.

You can always submit an FOIA request, of course...


No need, they will have to tell us if they decide to charge him.

luckyone wrote:
I'm sorry, I saw these meme and had to share:

"The fact that he was flushing documents down the toilet in a house that literally has 28 fireplaces should prove that he's not fit for office."


Maggie Haberman hasn't given us any sources so I am not so sure those pics of a toilet are genuine. Until we name who took them.
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:16 pm

Alan Dershowitz is complaining that a subpoena should have been used instead of a search warrant. Says that search warrants are only valid when there is risk of destruction of evidence.

Completely fails to mention that warrants are used when it's not known what evidence exists in advance, but the existence of evidence is highly likely, which was the case here.

Also brings up Hillary's e-mails again. Despite the fact that her server was maintained by a provider and was turned over to the FBI by the provider. And that the Congressional subpoena was not part of a criminal inquiry, as Trump's activities are.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3 ... umps-home/
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:55 pm

Trump is in grave legal jeopardy. I firmly believe he will be indicted -- never thought this was possible.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:20 pm

One thing that is very notable, the Congressional objections are coming from the Trump wing: McCarthy, Jordan, Hawley. But the old guard Republicans are staying quiet. McConnell had no comment. My guess is they'd prefer to see Trump removed from the public stage. It will be interesting to see what happens after the midterms, when people no longer need to court his favor.

Also interesting that the Trump wing is using all the previous Hillary arguments. Too close to an election, unfair treatment, etc. Shoe is on the other foot now.
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:21 pm

So, for the Republicans screaming about how this is partisan, I have two questions:

1. How is it partisan when the head of the FBI is a Republican?
2. How are Hillary's emails and Hunter Biden's laptop NOT partisan?

Let's also consider both Hillary's emails and Hunter's laptop have been in possession of authorities for years and years so the fake outrage needs to stop. Oh, and this can not be stressed enough: Christopher Wray, head of FBI was sworn in in 2017 under the term of....

https://ballotpedia.org/Trump_administr ... ppointment
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:51 pm

seb146 wrote:
So, for the Republicans screaming about how this is partisan, I have two questions:

1. How is it partisan when the head of the FBI is a Republican?
2. How are Hillary's emails and Hunter Biden's laptop NOT partisan?

Let's also consider both Hillary's emails and Hunter's laptop have been in possession of authorities for years and years so the fake outrage needs to stop. Oh, and this can not be stressed enough: Christopher Wray, head of FBI was sworn in in 2017 under the term of....

https://ballotpedia.org/Trump_administr ... ppointment


Doesn’t matter really. I mean, they’ll likely just consider them a RINO just like Chaney and Romney
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:21 pm

seb146 wrote:
So, for the Republicans screaming about how this is partisan, I have two questions:

1. How is it partisan when the head of the FBI is a Republican?

The Head of the FBI is not calling the shots. Not even close.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:28 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So, for the Republicans screaming about how this is partisan, I have two questions:

1. How is it partisan when the head of the FBI is a Republican?

The Head of the FBI is not calling the shots. Not even close.


Ok, who is then?
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:43 pm

leader1 wrote:
Ok, who is then?

Attorney General maybe?

Just been doing some reading up on how this all works in the US, so that would be my guess.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:49 pm

Curious why trump won’t disclose what they feds were looking for. You know he was given a copy of the search warrant. If it was nothing, why doesn’t he plaster it everywhere and his sheep will just eat it up. Yet he stays silent on that front, hmmm.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:49 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
I'm picturing the opening scene of Schitt's Creek where they're raided and Moira Rose tries to grab all her wigs

LOL, never seen Schitt's Creek but yeah, I can see that :rotfl:
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I'm sorry, I saw these meme and had to share:

"The fact that he was flushing documents down the toilet in a house that literally has 28 fireplaces should prove that he's not fit for office."

:rotfl:

"It was a beautiful raid, some are saying it was the most beautiful raid they've ever seen" :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:50 pm

I could see Barron answering the door with “You rang”
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:25 am

ACDC8 wrote:
leader1 wrote:
Ok, who is then?

Attorney General maybe?

Just been doing some reading up on how this all works in the US, so that would be my guess.


It's all under the DoJ. FBI is the investigation & enforcement arm, the Attorneys General are the prosecutorial arm. But they function together for a given objective. In this case, the objective was the investigation into mishandling of presidential records and documents as Trump left the White House.

The National Archives had obtained several boxes of records through earlier voluntary recovery efforts in February. At that time, since some of the records were marked classified or secret, the National Archives referred the matter to the DoJ for investigation. This warrant implies that they believe some records may not have been turned over.

It's likely they will review the seized records to see if other records were withheld. If so there may be grounds for criminal liability. If not, then the matter will likely be dropped, as they would have to prove intent for the earlier transgression.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:30 am

leader1 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
So, for the Republicans screaming about how this is partisan, I have two questions:

1. How is it partisan when the head of the FBI is a Republican?

The Head of the FBI is not calling the shots. Not even close.


Ok, who is then?


He doesn't have a clue and probably won't respond to your question.
 
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Re: Mar-A-Lago raided by FBI.

Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:39 am

Avatar2go wrote:
It's all under the DoJ. FBI is the investigation & enforcement arm, the Attorneys General are the prosecutorial arm. But they function together for a given objective.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand on how this works. Such as can the Attorney General present a case and instruct the FBI to investigate it?
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